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Will Jalen Duren be a sign and trade piece for the Detroit Pistons? Starting to look like it.
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00:00Carson Anderson here on 97.1. There is a lot of foot in the NBA and let's get to an
00:05NBA blitz thingy as the Detroit Pistons are right in the middle of all kinds of speculation of what's going
00:13on and we'll start with a report today from The Athletic. Sam Amick reporting talks with Jalen Dern and the
00:18Pistons not going well. The sides are far apart. Dern's camp now exploring sign and trade possibilities.
00:27Gator, I look at this and I'm immediately thinking, good, because he's eligible for a massive deal, a max contract,
00:37making that third-team All-NBA. I don't think he's worth that and I thought that he would probably not
00:45ask for that, but you can't give him 30% of the cap. That's what it would be. It would
00:50be 30% of the cap that would very much handcuff you moving forward.
00:55So I'm happy the Pistons aren't going to overpay him and they're making that clear. Now, will Dern come back
01:01to them or will they have to do something more creative? We'll see, but I have no issue with the
01:06sides being far apart now. I hope they can come to terms, but the Pistons aren't going to be dumb
01:12about this is the message I'm taking.
01:14Yeah, when I saw the news this morning that they were far apart in negotiations and that Dern's camp clearly
01:19wants more and that now they might have to work on a sign and trade, the word I came up
01:24with was disappointed.
01:26Because as we talked before about Casey Mize, you're going to pay somebody for what you think they're going to
01:31do. I think Jalen Dern is still so young that I'm not going to hold him just to what I
01:36saw in the playoffs.
01:37If you did, then of course you'd let him go, but I don't think that's who he is or who
01:42he's going to be more importantly. So I want them to resign him, but I don't want them to overpay.
01:48That would be stupid, and I don't think he's a max player. I do think he has limitations to his
01:53offensive game, but his overall game is really good.
01:56I'd love to have him, but by all means, if you can do a sign and trade, because he doesn't
02:02want, if he can get an offer sheet for somebody else who's going to pay in a max deal,
02:05then yeah, the sign and trade is the best thing because you certainly don't want to lose a guy for
02:08nothing, and that's what restricted free agency means.
02:11Kang?
02:12Well, yeah, I mean, the restricted free agent thing is they only can offer him so much, and the Pistons
02:16won't match that no matter what.
02:17It's like, I forget what it was, like $177 million for four years. The Pistons are going to match that.
02:23He wants to go out there and explore a sign and trade because the gap is so big between him
02:27and the Pistons.
02:28He wants more than $177 million. He probably wants close to what the max he can get with the Pistons
02:31is.
02:32So if you go out and find that from another team, and the Pistons don't want to match that offer,
02:37they're going to do a sign and trade because they won't lose him for nothing.
02:40It's almost impossible.
02:42So this is surprising and not surprising at the same time for me, Doug.
02:45The surprising part for me is that Langdon's really holding ground here.
02:49Like, he actually came to this negotiation and said, without saying, I'm sure he's super respectful and, you know, you're
02:54dealing with agents and a player here that you like, but basically they're saying, we want him back.
03:00We want him back at what we think he's worth.
03:03Now, the other side is always going to be, we're worth the max, you know?
03:06And so that's where the negotiations go back and forth.
03:08The not surprising part is that they value their player very highly.
03:12Like, from what I know about the Durin camp, since he came into the league, he's had people around him
03:17and probably himself included.
03:19They value themselves very high.
03:21They want the max deal.
03:23They don't care what happened in the playoffs.
03:25He made all NBA team during the regular season, had a breakout year, and he's incredibly young still.
03:30It's, what, 22 years old?
03:32So we'll see what happens here.
03:35This does open up a huge possibility, though, if they do a sign and trade because teams are going to
03:39want Jalen Durin.
03:40Now, who can afford them and who can bring something back for the Pistons?
03:43Because Pistons aren't just going to dump them like they did with Isaiah Stewart.
03:46So we'll see.
03:47Durin, by the way, the max for Detroit would be a five-year, $287.1 million deal.
03:54All right, next item here.
03:57This morning on Get Up, Sham Sharanya reporting that Boston isn't necessarily looking for players in a Jalen Brown deal.
04:05Here's what he said it might take.
04:40Here's what he said it might take.
04:56Here's what he said.
05:10All right, I'm going to say this in all caps.
05:12Okay.
05:13I stand corrected.
05:16I have been saying that Boston's looking to win now.
05:19If they want four first-round picks back, that is a game-changer.
05:24Additionally, Mark Stein reporting today that the, quote, one fascinating scenario that we've been advised not to rule out completely
05:33is a possible sign-and-trade with Boston's perennial all-star Jalen Brown would certainly require Detroit to be willing
05:40to part with restricted free agent big men Jalen Brown and a sign-and-trade exchange.
05:44Jalen Duren.
05:44Jalen Duren.
05:45Jalen Duren, excuse me, in a sign-and-trade for Jalen Brown, which would obviously clash with the Pistons' longstanding
05:50view that Duren and Asar Thompson are franchise players along with Kate Cunningham.
05:54But this, you wouldn't have to give up four first-round picks in Jalen Duren.
05:59No, but you'd, I mean, you'd have to give something in Jalen Duren.
06:02Yes.
06:03But just the idea, I mean, this was, we talked about this briefly yesterday because I think a listener brought
06:09it up.
06:09A listener suggested it.
06:10I shot it down.
06:11I stand corrected.
06:14This would be unbelievable.
06:16Let's say it costs you a first-round pick or two first-round picks in Jalen Duren.
06:19Would you do it?
06:20Yes.
06:21Yeah, because you're going to lose Jalen Duren anyway.
06:24And the prize is getting Jalen Brown to average 28 points a game last year.
06:29He was fourth in the NBA in scoring.
06:31Now, is he going to be that for the Pistons?
06:33I wouldn't think so, right?
06:34He's been the guy, I think, 22, 23 points per game around his career.
06:37But he's a star player.
06:40And you're talking about your number one and number two.
06:42There it is.
06:43Here's the problem.
06:44I think what we just suggested is less, they're paying, the Pistons are paying less to get Brown than what
06:51Milwaukee was going to include Giannis.
06:53And Giannis is a better player.
06:55I think that, I think it would probably cost three and maybe four first, maybe it would cost four first
07:01-round picks in Jalen Duren.
07:03I don't know.
07:04But I'm interested.
07:05I'm really interested.
07:06I'm quite intrigued.
07:07I'm really interested.
07:08When you start dangling Jalen Brown out in front of you, you've got a big-time offensive threat.
07:13And, yeah, that's a guy.
07:15Kang?
07:17Well, I don't think this was the Pistons' first plan was to go after Jalen Brown.
07:21But when you're that far apart in contract negotiations, you have to divert.
07:24You have to detour.
07:25And I think this option B, or whatever you want to call it, would be fantastic in my point of
07:30view.
07:31Jalen Duren is going to be wanted and sought after by a lot of teams, a lot of good teams,
07:36because they need that third type of guy, that rim runner, that guy that you can throw lobs to.
07:41He's that type of player.
07:42That's why it didn't work.
07:43That's why when the end of the Pistons' season happened, everyone, including myself, was like, Jalen Duren's not a two.
07:49He's just not.
07:50But he's a great three and a four.
07:52And if he goes to a team like Boston and they want to move on from Jalen Brown, perfect scenario.
07:57I think the only reason you can get Jalen Brown is – okay, if they don't want Jalen Duren –
08:02I'm sorry, if they don't want –
08:03if they can't work out a deal with Jalen Duren, you have to get something in return.
08:06Jalen Brown is something in return.
08:07So I would do this.
08:08It would be – whether it's Jalen Duren and a couple first-round picks, it works out.
08:12I don't think the Pistons wanted to do this, but if that's the road they have to go down, it
08:15works out for me.
08:17All right, next item, who could be after Jalen Brown?
08:21Here's what former 97.1 intern and now ESPN NBA insider Vinny Goodwill had to say this morning on Get
08:28Up.
08:51How are you doing?
09:28Okay, he pronounced Detroit wrong.
09:32Vinny, you pronounced Detroit wrong.
09:34Detroit has all their picks.
09:36They can trade the four first-round picks.
09:40I think what Mark Stein has brought up, and that's since Vinny made that report today,
09:46I kind of feel like Detroit would seriously be in the mix here,
09:50and especially because Durant's people are trying to figure out where he can go.
09:56Again, I'm not saying this is perfect, but I don't mind giving up first-round draft picks at all,
10:02and I hope Trajan doesn't either.
10:04No, I don't.
10:04I mean, talk about the F-them picks and the NBA.
10:08Everybody subscribes to that three.
10:10So do it if you can.
10:11If you can find the deal, make the deal.
10:13Jalen Brown's outstanding.
10:14If you can make that deal, I guess.
10:16I would absolutely love to see it.
10:18And his point about free agency, how NBA free agency isn't what it used to be.
10:22As a fan, I love that because I don't want my teams to lose players for nothing.
10:30So this presents – this is why I've always liked this with the sign-and-trade stuff.
10:33It goes all the way back to Grant Hill with us locally, and we know what happened there.
10:37It helped build the foundation of the championship team just a few years later.
10:43But that's the kind of thing that it's changed into, and I'd love that it's changed into that.
10:47I don't want to lose anybody for nothing.
10:49Yeah, I mean, I just go back to kind of what I said.
10:51Jalen Brown is not just a legit two.
10:54He's a one.
10:55You can call them 1A and 1B between Caden and Jalen Brown.
11:01It's easier to find a Jalen Dern than a Jalen Brown, in my opinion.
11:04You know what I mean?
11:04And Jalen Brown is locked up for the next, what, I think it's three years right now?
11:08Three years.
11:09Yeah, for about 57 mil – or I think it's 57, 61, 64 in the next three years.
11:14So that contract's done.
11:16Jalen Brown or Jalen Dern – there's too many Jalens in the league, by the way.
11:19There is.
11:21I know too many Jalens as well.
11:23Jalen Dern is looking for a contract for 57 per.
11:27I'm paying Jalen Brown over Jalen Dern all day.
11:29So if the Celtics want to call me up and offer Jalen Brown, let's talk.
11:34All right, final note, Vinnie Goodwell and the Brian Windhurst podcast,
11:38the Hoops Collective podcast, had this to say about Kawhi Leonard to the Pistons.
12:07Vinnie Goodwell on the way.
12:54And it feels like that's a clock ticking.
12:57They're trying to still figure out whether or not the Clippers circumvented the cap with their contract with Kawhi.
13:02And the Clippers might get dinged draft picks for that.
13:07And so that didn't happen with this draft that just happened.
13:10They might get dinged in free agency or some other penalty.
13:14So that's got to get sorted out first.
13:16But the belief was that it would get sorted out by the draft.
13:20Now the belief is it would get sorted out before free agency opens.
13:23I guess we'll see.
13:24At the end of the day, Kawhi to Detroit is very attractive to me.
13:27It's very attractive.
13:28And we're talking big names here.
13:30The last two days we've talked LeBron James, Jalen Brown, and Kawhi Leonard.
13:34These are major names, and I feel like we're setting ourselves up as a fan base.
13:40Are the expectations too high to land one of those players?
13:43They have the means to do it.
13:45If negotiations have really soured between the Pistons and Jalen Dern, it seems like a lot easier to make something
13:51like this happen.
13:53I'm excited.
13:54I like Kawhi Leonard a lot.
13:56I know he's been hurt, but so is Cade Cunningham.
13:59Right?
14:00Kawhi's played more games than Cade the last few years.
14:02Which is shocking, actually.
14:04You know, Jalen Brown is very attractive as well.
14:08As a fan, I'm getting giddy about what's happening here because the belief free agency starts on Wednesday.
14:13I think it's July 1st.
14:14So there you go.
14:15Kang?
14:16So I don't know if Kawhi wants to come here or, you know, would come here, but I want him
14:21here.
14:22I think from a basketball perspective, he's perfect.
14:25The guy is a two-way player and one of the best players in the league when he plays.
14:28Yes, when he plays.
14:29But like I mentioned yesterday, look at the top five MVP candidates from the last year.
14:34None of them were basically eligible until like the very end.
14:36Some got exemptions and whatnot.
14:38Kawhi Leonard, he can score.
14:40He can play defense.
14:41He plays a three, the four.
14:44He's a weird dude.
14:45Don't get me wrong.
14:46But when the guy steps on the court and he's healthy, he's one of the best players in the league.
14:50I think he's perfect for this team from a basketball perspective.
14:53There it is, an NBA blitz.
14:55Lots going on.
14:56Pistons in the news.
14:58A lot to digest there for the people.
15:00248-539-9797.
15:02What do you think?
15:03Jalen Brown, sign and trade with Duren.
15:06Kawhi Leonard, what is most appealing to you?
15:09What should this organization, what should Trajan Langdon do?
15:12If he picked up the phone and called you and said, what should I do here?
15:15What would you tell him?
15:16What would you tell him?
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