00:00You think that this is a hell of a thing because I am focused on, I want to do what's
00:07best.
00:08I want to, I got to try to split the difference here, Jason.
00:11I want to do what's best by the team.
00:14And if that means starting Deshaun, fine, I'll live with it.
00:17How is that possibly what's best for the team?
00:21Well, you have to think about the locker room.
00:23You have to think about, you have to think about Todd Munkin and what he has to do what's
00:27best for the locker room.
00:28So, again, I ask, how is that possibly what's best for the team?
00:31If Deshaun Watson ends up being the better quarterback, then you have to start Deshaun.
00:36Then what are you doing with Shador?
00:39Making him the backup.
00:42If the Browns had the number one pick and they took Fernando.
00:44Wouldn't Shador Sanders accept that?
00:47If they had the number one pick, okay, they drafted Fernando Mendoza.
00:51Okay.
00:52Would we be having this conversation?
00:54About him being the backup?
00:55About who would you start, Deshaun or Fernando Mendoza?
00:58Okay.
00:59So, what's the difference?
01:00But you wouldn't, what are you talking about?
01:01What's the difference?
01:02So, clearly, if you're telling me they're going to start Deshaun over Shador, that tells
01:06me blatantly they do not believe in Shador.
01:10Blatantly.
01:11Well, wait a minute.
01:12No, I just gave you the scenario last segment about why they wouldn't start Shador when we
01:17were talking to Mary Kay.
01:19Like, listen, there's been a lot.
01:21I didn't agree with the handling of the quarterback situation, regardless of who was playing quarterback
01:25last year.
01:26I didn't agree with any of that stuff.
01:28I didn't agree with taking Dylan Gabriel and turning right around and taking Shador Sanders
01:31in the fifth round.
01:32Because I thought he's a better quarterback than Dylan Gabriel.
01:34And I think everybody thinks that.
01:36Oh, excuse me.
01:36The people who want to look at the stats, fine.
01:38It's the same ones who want to look at completion percentage in camp.
01:44Anyway, I don't understand what you're saying about Shador, that he can't be the backup to
01:49Deshaun Watson.
01:50I'm saying if they believed in him, they would make him the starter.
01:52That's what I'm saying.
01:53Well, they can believe in him, but there's...
01:55Well, wait, hold on.
01:56Hold on.
01:56Hold on.
01:56There's been plenty of guys we don't believe that you can play now, but you can play later.
02:00Are you just saying...
02:01This is his second year.
02:02So you think...
02:03He's not a rookie.
02:03But he was put into a position.
02:05They did not want to play him when they played him.
02:08All right.
02:09But part of that reason is they couldn't play him when they had to play him because he was
02:13too far behind.
02:14That's what we're told.
02:16So now he's...
02:16Now in year two, and he's still not ready?
02:19He still can't play?
02:20Well, hold on.
02:21Hold on here.
02:22If he wasn't ready to go and he wasn't in a position to make himself better, excuse me,
02:26make the team that much better last year, I go through an entire offseason where I change
02:30out my offensive coordinator, my head coach, my whole thing.
02:33We're going to have a new offense put out there.
02:35I mean, you're catching him up again.
02:37So if you're catching him up again, it would only be common sense, would it not, that the
02:41veteran QB who's seen different offenses would be in a better position to at least start
02:45the season?
02:46So now...
02:46So what?
02:47Now year two and a half, he might be ready to play?
02:49But I'm not just putting...
02:50Well, hold on.
02:51I'm not just putting Shador out there just to put Shador out there.
02:54If I don't think he's going to be in a position to help himself win, then I'm not...
02:58I'm just hurting him.
02:59I'm hurting the team.
03:00I'm hurting his career.
03:00It's irresponsible.
03:01You just said if it was Mendoza, then Mendoza would start.
03:04Well, Mendoza would be in the same system with the new...
03:06Mendoza's the number one overall pick.
03:07And I have said this before, they do have a veteran there, do they not, in the Raiders
03:11where they could start the season?
03:13Yeah.
03:13So I would assume that, yes, because it's the Browns, I should say, that Fernando Mendoza
03:17would start.
03:18But you could go into a situation where Fernando Mendoza, if he were with the Browns, wouldn't
03:22start the season with the Browns.
03:23I'm just saying, all of the obstacles that you just said Shador has with a new system
03:26and a new...
03:26Well, that'd be the same thing with Mendoza.
03:28It would be.
03:29If you believe in the guy...
03:30It would be.
03:30Where's this team going?
03:31If you believe in him and you believe he has a chance to be the future quarterback, then
03:34you play him.
03:35But I think you could sit there and not start him week one and still have some modicum
03:40of belief.
03:40But I'm not saying they even believe in him, because if they believed him, they wouldn't
03:43have traded Myles Garrett.
03:44So it's not about that.
03:46Yes.
03:46It's about seeing if there's any possibility in him before we move on.
03:50And I can see him and any possibility of him at the beginning of October.
03:55I don't have to start him week one.
03:57I don't.
03:58I can get a decent sample size again going, hey, we're going to start the veteran, and
04:04this is a challenge to you.
04:05How do you deal with being the primary backup?
04:08How do you...
04:09And he's...
04:09So far in the media and all that stuff, he's passed so far.
04:13How do you deal with being the backup?
04:15How do you deal with preparing yourself to be ready to be thrown into a football game
04:18again as the primary number one backup?
04:20And then eventually you're going to get your chance.
04:23And I assume, because we don't think very highly of Deshaun Watson, and he's somehow
04:28regressed while they were wearing t-shirts and shorts, so I can't imagine it's going to
04:31be much better with guys buzzing the tower.
04:33Eventually, Shador is going to get his chance to start sooner than later.
04:37I don't need to talk about belief in guys.
04:39They showed us what they believe in the quarterback room.
04:42I just don't know why we have to keep putting guardrails up.
04:43This is year two.
04:44We put guardrails up for every young quarterback.
04:46At least I do.
04:47It's year two now.
04:48What's...
04:49Year two?
04:50Year one?
04:50What's the difference?
04:51The difference is you have...
04:53He already started behind.
04:53You have a dead end in front of him.
04:55This is going nowhere with Deshaun.
04:58Nowhere.
04:59So what are you doing?
05:00What is he possibly going to learn before October that he doesn't know now?
05:06If Deshaun is that bad, and Shador is...
05:10And Shador should start week one.
05:11Hold on.
05:12Then Shador should start week one.
05:13If Shador is not ready...
05:14How is he not ready by now?
05:16Just because Watson isn't good doesn't mean Shador is ready in my eyes.
05:20How is he not ready by now?
05:21He's now had the full off-season program.
05:24Anthony, Jason, I just...
05:26Here we are.
05:27Jason, I just told you, like, yeah, you could go through a summer and still be behind.
05:32There's a lot of things that you have to take in, especially with a different offense.
05:36What?
05:36Then you have your answer.
05:37Wait a minute.
05:38Then you have your answer.
05:39It's not about answers and non-answers.
05:41I'm talking about giving a guy a chance during a season where I'm more than likely, very much more than
05:47likely,
05:47going to draft a quarterback in 2027.
05:49If he can't beat out...
05:50I don't understand why you're biting my head off here.
05:51If he can't beat out...
05:52And by the way, I think they should play Shador.
05:55I've said it a million times.
05:56I don't understand that, but I want to play Shador too, but I don't want to just throw him to
05:59the Wolves.
06:00If he's not ready, I could just throw Deshaun to the Wolves.
06:02How can you be throwing him to the Wolves?
06:04This is his second year.
06:05If he's not ready.
06:08How is that not getting through?
06:10How can he not be ready?
06:11How can he not be ready?
06:12I don't know.
06:12I'm not in the building, Jason.
06:13I'm not right now.
06:14If he's not ready...
06:15I wasn't able to attend OTAs because of everything else.
06:17If he's not ready after a full off-season program and a full training camp and all of that,
06:21we're splitting the reps and all that, if he's still not ready, you have your answer.
06:25We already got the answer when they traded Miles Garrett.
06:28So then why would you keep him around as the backup?
06:31Why?
06:31Because he's not ready to go.
06:34If this is the case, he would not be ready to go, and I'm not going to put him in
06:40a position
06:41to make things worse.
06:43That's not what a good coach does.
06:45I've got to put a guy in a position to help himself and help the team.
06:49I'm not just going to throw him to the Wolves.
06:51On September 30th, he's going to wake up and say,
06:53OK, now I got it.
06:54October 1st, I'm ready to go now.
06:58No, that's what you're saying.
06:59That's what you're saying.
07:00That's asinine, and you know it's asinine.
07:02Yes, it is asinine because that's what you're saying.
07:04Oh, in October, he'll be ready.
07:05He's not ready now.
07:06I didn't say it.
07:07He'll be ready in October.
07:07I didn't say it.
07:08He's been here for a year.
07:08You asked me, and I gave you a different thing.
07:11I didn't say exactly when the calendar turns to October 1st, he's going to be ready to go.
07:16I'm giving you a generalization here.
07:18That's what I'm doing because I don't know when he's going to be ready to go.
07:22If he's not ready to go to the beginning of the season, it's no hair off my ass,
07:25and I don't think it should be this great big problem.
07:27It can be a good thing.
07:29Hey, you know, I brought up Josh Allen a bunch of times.
07:31Now, Josh Allen got injured, but the best thing that happened to Josh Allen was that he got off the
07:36field,
07:36was able to slow things down, and then went back out on the field.
07:39Why can't I say the same for other guys?
07:41Why can't I use that example for other guys?
07:43Now, Josh Allen's naturally more talented.
07:45I'm not making that comparison, but I'm talking about timelines.
07:48You could put guys back in there if the game's too fast for them,
07:51and maybe the game was a little bit fast for them.
07:53And so if it's moving too quickly, and we didn't do anything good by him,
07:59by getting a new head coach in and getting a new system in and having all this,
08:04it's still a bad situation.
08:06So I have to make the best of a bad situation.
08:08I'm not going to put a guy out there unless I know that he can defend himself
08:12and make the team better, unless I absolutely have to.
08:15And I agree with that.
08:16So Watson, because of his experience, the tie would go to Watson.
08:21Watson, he would have to be horrific.
08:24Both Shador would have to look inept or completely in over his head
08:28when it comes to the offseason, and Watson would have to be so horrifically bad.
08:33I don't think he's going to be so horrifically bad.
08:36He's not going to be good.
08:36I don't think he's going to be good.
08:38And I can see a world where Shador is like, hey, you're on your way.
08:42You're not there yet.
08:44Let's not freak out over this.
08:45And I don't think he will.
08:46I know the fan base will.
08:48That's a different conversation.
08:51Let's play this by ear.
08:53Make yourself ready.
08:55And then we'll watch.
08:56And by the way, that's another test to Shador Sanders,
08:58which he's already been a pretty good teammate, it seems.
09:01So I will use that as another test.
09:04And if he uses it and continues to use it the right way,
09:07he's going to get his chance sooner than later.
09:09I mean, are we not talking?
09:13That's surprising to you?
09:14That's...
09:15If he can't beat out Deshaun for week one,
09:18I don't know what we're doing here.
09:20I don't think that's that...
09:22I don't think that's unreasonable.
09:24That's not unreasonable.
09:26You know exactly what we're doing here.
09:27Deshaun has barely played in the last four years.
09:29Listen.
09:30Three years.
09:30You know exactly...
09:31So then why are people talking about stupid trade rumors for him?
09:36Neither one of these guys have any value.
09:37Neither one of them do.
09:38But nobody's calling...
09:39Somebody mentioned this on the internet yesterday.
09:41It was a brilliant point.
09:42Nobody's calling about backup quarterbacks to a guy who hasn't been good in six years.
09:45No.
09:45Not yet anyway.
09:46Okay?
09:47Neither one of them.
09:48None of the Browns quarterbacks have trade value.
09:50But let me point this out.
09:51So if nobody's calling,
09:53I'm not just going to cut a guy.
09:56Okay?
09:56Fans do like him.
09:57I'm not just going to cut him.
09:58Now, that's not a reason to hold on to him.
10:00But fans do like him.
10:01I'll throw that in there.
10:03And there is some good play in there.
10:06Is it enough to set the 2027 draft on fire?
10:10Absolutely not.
10:11Absolutely not.
10:11That's not what I'm advocating for.
10:13I think we all know where this goes.
10:14This goes to the draft next April.
10:16But in the meantime, I got to go through a season.
10:19I might as well give him a chance.
10:21But when he's ready.
10:22Because I'm just confirming all the negative aspects to him if I throw him out there when he's not ready
10:30to go.
10:31And we may get to a point, and I may have to admit it,
10:34we could be in the beginning of the season and Deshaun Watson's playing.
10:37And Deshaun Watson could not be good.
10:38And I could be sitting there looking at you and looking at Lima and looking at Owen and going,
10:42hey, he must just not be that good.
10:44Fine.
10:45I'll admit it when it happens.
10:46But I just don't understand why we have to be so close-minded to the possibility that,
10:52yeah, he might not be ready to go right now,
10:54but that doesn't mean I just cut him and get rid of him or whatever.
10:57I don't think I need to do that.
10:59We'll see.
11:00But you just glared at me right there.
11:02I have an RBF.
11:03I don't mean to.
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