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Senator-judge Bam Aquino asked COA-ICFAO auditor Xylene Del Campo whether the agency could conduct a fraud audit over the use of unusual names or aliases in acknowledgment receipts.

Del Campo said no fraud audit has been initiated yet as the matter is still being studied but confirmed that COA could conduct one if deemed necessary. #VPOnTrial

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00:00Sa inyo pong determination sa inyong opisina, meron pong mga disallowances, no?
00:05Tungkol po sa kategorya, ng mga gastos, kung sino po yung nag-disburse.
00:11Pero hindi po naging rason ng disallowance yung mga kakaibang pangalan. Tama po ba?
00:15Opo, tama po.
00:17Okay. Pero nakita po ninyo na may mga pangalan na kakaiba.
00:21May piatos, may bacon, heart, keso at kung ano-ano.
00:27Hindi nyo po naisip na baka red flag po ito?
00:31Dahil nga po ang audit namin is compliance lang po.
00:34Hindi na po namin binerify yung identity nung nakatanggap po.
00:38Pero nung, hindi nyo binerify, pero nung nakikita ninyo,
00:41o nung nakikita mo, hindi mo ba naisip na posibleng red flag itong mga pangalan to?
00:47We presume po kasi regularity.
00:49Kasi po, merong certification under oath yung SDO.
00:54This was used for the confidential operations of the agency.
00:58And these are necessary and for legal purpose po yung naging paggastos ng confidential fund.
01:05Okay. So nag-consult na kasi yung iba naming abogado kay former Commissioner Heidi Mendoza.
01:10At sabi niya, kapag may mga kakaibang pangalan,
01:14the COA can trigger an investigation because of fraud.
01:17So hindi nyo po ginawa yun, no?
01:19Walang usapin ng investigation because of fraud.
01:21Yung sa fraud audit po kasi, pinag-aaral, yung possibility po,
01:27pinag-aaral pa kasi kung magpo-fraud audit po, this is the first time.
01:31And yung documents po, yung transactions involving the OBP and DepEd po,
01:37contains voluminous documents na with sensitive information
01:41na pag naibigay po sa ibang opisina, baka po magiging exposed siya.
01:47Okay. So ulitin ko ha. So hindi kayo nag-trigger ng investigation of fraud?
01:52Or nag-trigger kayo?
01:53Wala pa po. Pinag-aaralan pa po with the chairperson.
01:56Ah, pinag-aaralan. So it's possible na magkaroon pa ng investigation due to fraud?
02:02Ah, pinag-opo. Gaya mo po ng sinasabi ko, pinag-aaralan pa lang po.
02:06At kung kinakailangan po, ah, pwede pong mag-fraud audit po.
02:11Okay. Ah, let me ask about what is fraud, no? Ano yung fraudulent?
02:15Yung paggamit ba ng alias ay fraudulent?
02:19Ito ba'y bawal or ilegal?
02:21Doon po sa joint circular, silent po kasi ang joint circular as to the use of alias po.
02:27Pero ang binabantayan po dito is dapat naibigay po ito sa totoong tao at nagamit sa tamang confidential expenses.
02:35So thank you, thank you for that.
02:37So kung nagamit to sa talagang nakalagay doon, hindi ito fraudulent.
02:42Pero kung ito'y hindi naman nagamit, doon siya nakalagay at kunyari, nabulsa lang, fraudulent yun.
02:47Correct, no?
02:47Opo, tama.
02:48Okay.
02:49Kung, ah, so yung bawat isang pangalan, dapat ba merong ring one is to one na totoong tao sa likod
02:56nun?
02:57Or pwede kunyari, may alokasyon ng 10 million tapos hinati-hati sa tagti 300,000 pero isang tao lang talaga
03:05yun.
03:05Yun po ba fraudulent?
03:07Ang kwan ko po doon is isang tao lang yung nakatanggap based doon sa acknowledgement receipt po na yun.
03:13Okay, so sa inyo pong professional opinion, kailangan po yung bawat AR ay may katumbas na totoong tao kung yun
03:24man ang kanyang pangalan o meron siyang ibang o meron siyang totoong pangalan.
03:28At yung nakalagay doon sa report na activity, yun dapat talaga yung nagawa. Tama po ba?
03:34Opo, tama po.
03:35Okay. Are you aware, Madam Witness, na meron tayong batas na nagbabawal ng paggamit ng alias?
03:44Hindi po ako familiar doon sa law.
03:47Okay. There is a law actually, RA 6085, na nagbabawal ng paggamit ng alias.
03:55At naiso namin alamin kung ito ba'y pertinent dito sa usapin ng confidential and intelligence funds.
04:01At aalamin po namin yan. Maybe for the second round. Maraming salamat, Madam Witness.
04:04Thank you, Senator Judge Aquino.
04:05Thank you, Senator Judge Irwin.
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