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00:01:00Good afternoon and welcome to Beyond the Headlines. I'm DJ Moises and today's conversation is brought to us by Coffee
00:01:06First.
00:01:07Today, we look deeper and think better as we go beyond the headlines with two leaders who share more than
00:01:13a familiar surname.
00:01:15They represent two generations of public service, each bringing a unique perspective on leadership, governance, and the future of Cebu.
00:01:25Joining me today are former Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama.
00:01:28And Cebu City Councilor Mikel Rama.
00:01:32So, Councilor Mikel, Mayor Mike, welcome back to Beyond the Headlines.
00:01:37Privilege. Another privilege.
00:01:39Thank you, Sir DJ, for having us.
00:01:42Yeah, and we've always been excited for this interview since Father's Day.
00:01:47You're right. You're right. Long overdue day.
00:01:50Long overdue. Sige.
00:01:51So, before you were public servants, and before the highly popular surname, first and foremost, both of you are father
00:02:03and son.
00:02:05So, my first question is, I think it goes with you first, Mayor Mike, who is Councilor Mikel at home.
00:02:12And then for Councilor Mikel, who is Mayor Mikel at home.
00:02:16Sige.
00:02:20Are you talking about now or way back?
00:02:27Whichever is juicier.
00:02:28Because when you go back, they'll always bring a beautiful yesterday of infanthood.
00:02:35Sige.
00:02:36Sige. We can start.
00:02:36That's very important.
00:02:38And then the growing with Michelin, the sister.
00:02:44You know, seeing Mikel, and I remember birthdays.
00:02:49And that is when Michelin reached her seven-year-old birthday, she was more of being prominent.
00:02:58While Mikel at that time was only looking at his sister.
00:03:05But when the time for him also to celebrate his seventh birthday, he was already, that's where, watch out, everybody.
00:03:17This is now the start of my time.
00:03:20And that's how I look at the whole yesterday.
00:03:23And then, going through, Michel, I always have seen him to be a very obedient son.
00:03:32And not only that, Christian in values and humility exuding.
00:03:39That's Michelin.
00:03:41That's why at home, he's the obedient.
00:03:47Sige.
00:03:48And who is Mayor Mike at home?
00:03:51Same, same, sir DJ, na when you ask that question, a lot of things run through my mind.
00:03:58Because when I look at my dad,
00:04:00lain-lain man siya in different periods of time.
00:04:04When I was growing up, of course,
00:04:08ako maingon, ang one word that can describe my dad when we were growing up is disciplinarian.
00:04:14Disciplinarian na kami, agigid migbuna.
00:04:19Agigid me o luhod sa asin.
00:04:22Kung may nung-luman, ana pa may magluhod.
00:04:25At umangan sa altar.
00:04:26Oo, ana, pa sa magpabadlong.
00:04:28And I'm also very grateful na,
00:04:31ang unana sa danga kong papa,
00:04:32and also during time sa law school na ako,
00:04:35na dako na ako,
00:04:36na even though wala namin nag-live in the same house,
00:04:38he made it a point na once a week,
00:04:40he will stay sa balay para to check on how I'm doing sa school.
00:04:45So, na yung mga certain memories that stand out for me
00:04:47through the years growing up,
00:04:50na katos ako na bunalan ko,
00:04:52luhod sa asin,
00:04:53law school na ma-adto siya sa balay,
00:04:55check-up siya sa ako ang pag-eskwila.
00:04:59Sometimes, ako maingon sa kong daddy,
00:05:01growing up na
00:05:03he will not shy away from
00:05:06difficult conversations that need to be had.
00:05:08Usa akong may nung-duman ka tong
00:05:10undergrad ko na pa doon ko mo shift
00:05:13college.
00:05:14Historia may,
00:05:15kodad mo shift ko college.
00:05:16Yan giyistorya na ako na
00:05:18kanang hindi kaysa,
00:05:20huwa kaysa malipay na mo shift ko course.
00:05:23Batingon siya na
00:05:23salig ko ni mo,
00:05:25na shift ka,
00:05:27pero tiwasa,
00:05:28gawin nga mong pag-eskwila,
00:05:29saktong panahon,
00:05:30kandilig ka may extend sa years ba.
00:05:32Ako gawin natiwas.
00:05:34So,
00:05:34a lot of things,
00:05:36a lot of things
00:05:36ang kinsa kong dad
00:05:38as a father
00:05:39and a home setting.
00:05:42Puro tatukuras
00:05:42kung imu ko pa
00:05:43sa gawin.
00:05:45Pero muna siya,
00:05:45growing up,
00:05:47nasad siya karun,
00:05:47lahi sad siya.
00:05:48Karun,
00:05:49na magtanao ko niya,
00:05:50kuyug sa kumanghod niya,
00:05:51si MJ na kamay.
00:05:52Lahi sad siya.
00:05:53So,
00:05:54makaingon niya ka,
00:05:55magtanao ko sa kong papa,
00:05:56lucky kayo,
00:05:57makita ko,
00:05:58na unsaw ag-evolve
00:05:59ang usak ataw
00:06:00throughout periods of life.
00:06:02So,
00:06:03when Counselor Mikael
00:06:04was growing up,
00:06:06did it ever
00:06:07occur to you
00:06:09that one day
00:06:09he will become
00:06:10a public servant?
00:06:12But before that,
00:06:14as it ya,
00:06:14you imagine,
00:06:16I was discussing
00:06:17what he was sharing.
00:06:20Just,
00:06:22I'm not mistaken,
00:06:23was it yesterday
00:06:24or today.
00:06:27It's not a matter
00:06:28about,
00:06:30especially,
00:06:32how I was spending
00:06:34with him
00:06:35in the house,
00:06:38checking,
00:06:39number two,
00:06:40when he was also
00:06:43taking up law,
00:06:45oh no,
00:06:47in Manila.
00:06:48That's your undergrad?
00:06:50I'm talking about
00:06:52bar review.
00:06:53Ah, okay.
00:06:54I remember
00:06:55the naughty
00:06:56of Michelin,
00:06:58they saw to you
00:06:59that they are
00:07:00in one room
00:07:01Michelin siya
00:07:03Saturday,
00:07:04Sunday,
00:07:05bar exam.
00:07:07Mr. Ceraselli,
00:07:08the same
00:07:09one room too.
00:07:11They were just
00:07:13hoping against hope
00:07:14their being naughty.
00:07:15But anyhow,
00:07:16it was something
00:07:18that I always
00:07:19cherish.
00:07:21We are very proud.
00:07:23In the same
00:07:23like with Michelin,
00:07:24that you
00:07:26have a lot of
00:07:26experiences.
00:07:28I assigned
00:07:29the mother
00:07:31of Michelin.
00:07:32So,
00:07:33looking at now,
00:07:35you're talking about,
00:07:37did it ever
00:07:37occur to me
00:07:38that one day,
00:07:42it's always,
00:07:43it is always
00:07:44the desire
00:07:44of a father
00:07:45because
00:07:46they call it
00:07:48the measure
00:07:49of success
00:07:49is succession.
00:07:51That's what
00:07:52I've always
00:07:53been guided by.
00:07:55And,
00:07:55looking at my son,
00:07:57two umugong
00:07:58mga tao
00:07:59karunan ni siya
00:08:00ni Sud
00:08:01sa politika,
00:08:02but
00:08:03he was supposed
00:08:04to be already
00:08:04a candidate
00:08:05in the year
00:08:062016.
00:08:0816.
00:08:09Yeah,
00:08:1016.
00:08:10and now
00:08:11is 2026.
00:08:13But,
00:08:14the circumstances
00:08:15at that time
00:08:16deterred
00:08:17because we
00:08:18have a lot
00:08:18of
00:08:18available
00:08:20candidates.
00:08:21So,
00:08:22duhala sila
00:08:22nga,
00:08:23eventually
00:08:24were,
00:08:26on their own
00:08:27understanding,
00:08:28nag-withdraw na sila.
00:08:30And that is
00:08:31JP Labella
00:08:32Mikkel Rama.
00:08:34But,
00:08:35with due respect
00:08:37with
00:08:37former mayor,
00:08:39you know,
00:08:41Udain,
00:08:42he
00:08:42really
00:08:43asked
00:08:45if I can
00:08:46have
00:08:46JP.
00:08:47So,
00:08:48with
00:08:49the pradding,
00:08:51JP was able
00:08:51to run
00:08:53despite
00:08:54withdrawing
00:08:55and
00:08:55enlisted.
00:08:57Well,
00:08:57Mikkel,
00:08:58I never
00:08:59did any,
00:09:01shall we
00:09:02say,
00:09:03moving
00:09:03heaven and earth
00:09:04for him
00:09:05to run
00:09:05because
00:09:06being the
00:09:07head of
00:09:07Partito Baruch,
00:09:08I have to
00:09:09think about
00:09:10all angles.
00:09:12So,
00:09:13that's
00:09:13precisely
00:09:14him
00:09:15now
00:09:16at the
00:09:17rim,
00:09:18it's the
00:09:19happiness
00:09:19of the
00:09:20father,
00:09:20but he
00:09:21knows that
00:09:22I was
00:09:23not forcing
00:09:23him.
00:09:24And thanks
00:09:25also
00:09:26to his
00:09:26mama
00:09:26because
00:09:27it was
00:09:29Araceli
00:09:30who really
00:09:31agreed.
00:09:32And maybe
00:09:32he can
00:09:33discuss
00:09:33that
00:09:35MJ
00:09:36with
00:09:37my son,
00:09:38Mikkel.
00:09:39Sige,
00:09:39but you can,
00:09:40akong follow-up
00:09:41question and
00:09:41maybe you can
00:09:42also comment
00:09:42on that.
00:09:43Was there
00:09:44a point
00:09:45also,
00:09:45reverse
00:09:46ang akong
00:09:46question
00:09:46sa iya,
00:09:47in which
00:09:48you told
00:09:48yourself,
00:09:49I'm never
00:09:49going into
00:09:50politics?
00:09:52Well,
00:09:52naamanggi
00:09:53panahon
00:09:54na,
00:09:54kanang,
00:09:55of course,
00:09:56when you're
00:09:56younger and
00:09:57then you
00:09:58see the
00:09:58path
00:09:58na gitik
00:09:59sa
00:09:59imong
00:10:00papa,
00:10:00gunaanjog
00:10:01ka mo
00:10:02somewhat
00:10:02be in
00:10:03the same
00:10:03related
00:10:04path.
00:10:05And then
00:10:06parehatong
00:10:06kyingon
00:10:07at pag
00:10:072016,
00:10:08I was
00:10:08already
00:10:08supposed
00:10:09to be
00:10:09a part
00:10:10of the
00:10:11councilorial
00:10:12state
00:10:12sa among
00:10:13group.
00:10:13Team
00:10:13Rama.
00:10:14Team
00:10:14Rama.
00:10:15So,
00:10:15naamay
00:10:16mga
00:10:16activities,
00:10:16but inter-party
00:10:17na decide
00:10:19na
00:10:19mu-withdraw.
00:10:21And
00:10:21then
00:10:22kanang
00:10:23growing,
00:10:24learning
00:10:24things,
00:10:25certain
00:10:26things,
00:10:26but you
00:10:31tend to
00:10:32look beyond
00:10:33kung
00:10:33realities
00:10:34din.
00:10:34And
00:10:35then
00:10:35instead
00:10:36of
00:10:36focusing
00:10:36on the
00:10:37negative
00:10:37things
00:10:37about
00:10:38a
00:10:38certain
00:10:38endeavor,
00:10:39you
00:10:39see
00:10:39the
00:10:40positive
00:10:40things
00:10:40that
00:10:41you
00:10:41can
00:10:41do
00:10:41for
00:10:42it.
00:10:42And
00:10:42more
00:10:44encouragement
00:10:44for
00:10:45yourself
00:10:46to
00:10:46pursue
00:10:47it
00:10:56so
00:10:58you
00:10:58want to
00:10:59say
00:10:59something?
00:11:00I don't
00:11:01want to
00:11:01add.
00:11:02Sige.
00:11:03So,
00:11:04this is
00:11:05more of
00:11:06a
00:11:07common
00:11:07question
00:11:08for
00:11:08both
00:11:08of
00:11:08you,
00:11:09but
00:11:09you
00:11:09can
00:11:09say
00:11:10who
00:11:10is
00:11:10better
00:11:11at
00:11:12this
00:11:12or
00:11:12who
00:11:12is
00:11:13more
00:11:13with
00:11:14this.
00:11:14So,
00:11:15who
00:11:15is
00:11:15better
00:11:15at
00:11:16remembering
00:11:17names?
00:11:19Given
00:11:19your
00:11:20situation,
00:11:20I'm sure
00:11:21you meet
00:11:21a lot
00:11:21of
00:11:22people.
00:11:22Ako,
00:11:23Daddy.
00:11:25Mike
00:11:25Rama na.
00:11:26Daddy,
00:11:28bisag
00:11:28mga
00:11:29maestra
00:11:30niya
00:11:30sayang
00:11:31elementary
00:11:31noong
00:11:32dumagi
00:11:32po
00:11:32na ni
00:11:33Hantwood
00:11:33Karun.
00:11:33Muna
00:11:34ang
00:11:35ability
00:11:36o
00:11:36memory
00:11:37sa
00:11:37akong
00:11:38dad.
00:11:38But I
00:11:39think
00:11:39more
00:11:39of
00:11:39it
00:11:39is
00:11:40not
00:11:41only
00:11:41about
00:11:41remembering
00:11:42names,
00:11:42but
00:11:42really
00:11:43connection,
00:11:45genuine
00:11:45connection
00:11:45with
00:11:46people
00:11:46na
00:11:46special
00:11:47knock
00:11:47off.
00:11:49Sakin
00:11:50sayang
00:11:50maagian
00:11:51na
00:11:51tao,
00:11:53kamaus
00:11:54sa
00:11:55mapalaw,
00:11:55manginyuhang
00:11:57make
00:11:57this
00:11:57effort
00:11:58pa.
00:11:58Parede
00:11:58rin
00:11:58sa
00:11:59studio,
00:11:59mutan
00:11:59na
00:11:59sa mga
00:12:00panganiya.
00:12:00Mangita
00:12:01agad
00:12:01sa mga
00:12:02tao
00:12:02na
00:12:02na
00:12:02encounter
00:12:03before.
00:12:04muna
00:12:04ang
00:12:04special
00:12:05ako
00:12:05nakitaan
00:12:05sa
00:12:06kundad
00:12:06na
00:12:06sa
00:12:07kinsan
00:12:07tao
00:12:08whatever
00:12:08station
00:12:08in
00:12:08life,
00:12:09kita
00:12:10agad
00:12:10siya
00:12:10na
00:12:10na
00:12:11special
00:12:11value
00:12:11every
00:12:12person
00:12:12that
00:12:12he
00:12:12meets.
00:12:29Muna
00:12:29at
00:12:32yuk
00:12:33x
00:12:33expound
00:12:33x
00:12:34yuk
00:12:34x
00:12:35x
00:12:35x
00:12:35yuk
00:12:36yuk
00:12:37yuk
00:12:37yuk
00:12:37yuk
00:12:37he is more sentimental um that's the value that i can see in my son which i've been telling him
00:12:49focus because it can be a deterrent if you continue to be too sentimental too
00:12:57and that will bring you to be emotional and the very
00:13:04up character of my son is mindfulness mindful can i see on what's happening to me
00:13:13what's happening to mj and what's happening to my being with lagga malo so mindful can i say
00:13:23yeah sentimental na he values family very important na niya muna brinawan then mag tanahuniya nga
00:13:36then i keep on advising him don't there's nothing wrong to be romantic and even sentimental
00:13:45but what is really best is grow grow and continue to grow
00:13:50learn from your being sentimental and from your being romantic
00:14:10who is likely to change his mind at the last minute
00:14:16who is likely to change his mind mostly because si daddy when he makes a decision committed
00:14:25na siya full commitment na siya
00:14:27sa nasa mga traits na kumakita na unique sa akong papa
00:14:31na kanang naagay commitment
00:14:43in connection with that just like when i'm being asked what's tomorrow for my grandma
00:14:51i said i think that not not to focus upon me but please help my son because my son
00:15:00he will definitely be running from my point of view as mayor of the city of cebu and
00:15:09he can offer a lot because not only that he is a lawyer 15 years
00:15:16a lawyer and had his own law firm he has been with me and i have never been out of
00:15:24him from childhood
00:15:26there might be some interim but never so for sure with god's graces he carries
00:15:37and then of course etc etc expected for a good governance kind of administration
00:15:50and because both of you are also public servants aside from a member of a huge family
00:15:57you know so you would you receive a lot of messages now who replies faster
00:16:05oh very nice question
00:16:07to be honest
00:16:11i don't really spend much because i look at group chat
00:16:19at the beginning it's a chat but later it shatters and then it ended up what else
00:16:25it's number two there are better things to do better things you know looking at the country etc etc
00:16:34bahaa here bahaa there garbage here garbage there traffic render etc etc
00:16:42then you will engage by in answering answering answering so what time will you have especially with
00:16:50mj and lanka so i'm sorry i'm not really that type but there really is a need
00:16:59you can ask me any question then i will answer but please forgive me because messenger
00:17:09not open bible yes signal exception
00:17:16then what's up
00:17:22always being asked why don't we speak in what's up
00:17:26so everything about answering messages yeah messages
00:17:33it's more in the bible
00:17:35i don't know if i can expound
00:17:37you can see the type of person or the type of governance
00:17:42that i wish to be
00:17:43that you've evolved since you've already been
00:17:46i'm also guilty that the younger generation will always be looking at the screen
00:17:51living always online
00:17:53daddy does not live online
00:17:56muna kung baka
00:17:57you talk to someone do it face to face
00:18:00to face
00:18:01umunta na ako siya problema
00:18:02natuu niya
00:18:03daily puro na sa cellphone
00:18:05huwag sa internet
00:18:06muna siya
00:18:07muna yan giperme emphasize na
00:18:09massmig yunang makita niya mo
00:18:12be felt
00:18:13be heard
00:18:14be seen
00:18:16serve
00:18:17ang service is not
00:18:19na sa cellphone
00:18:21service niya mo nadia sa
00:18:22don't forget
00:18:24humility.
00:18:26Musta na yung mga lesson akong ma-learn?
00:18:29Kani is
00:18:30who gives better
00:18:32gifts?
00:18:35Can I answer?
00:18:36Yes. Okay.
00:18:37You know,
00:18:39I'm so proud.
00:18:41Anilisilang luha.
00:18:42Michelin.
00:18:43They grew up. Very simple.
00:18:48When
00:18:49Christmas will come,
00:18:50I usually bring them to
00:18:55wherever.
00:18:57And then I asked them,
00:19:00we were at certain time,
00:19:03not anymore
00:19:04in one house,
00:19:06but I always asked,
00:19:12I will buy you
00:19:14Christmas gift,
00:19:16but not.
00:19:18You know,
00:19:19pagka-simple,
00:19:20ma-manila
00:19:21o ma-simple,
00:19:22ang ilang yung mga choices
00:19:24like yun,
00:19:25not expensive.
00:19:28Muna,
00:19:28silang luha.
00:19:30Muna,
00:19:30ang ingos ako sa kong kagalingon,
00:19:32pagka-baratuhon
00:19:33yun akong mga anak.
00:19:35Ang ilang lang yung mga
00:19:37midjas,
00:19:38brie,
00:19:39panahon na di,
00:19:39but that's how simple
00:19:42they were
00:19:43and until now,
00:19:45and I grew up with that
00:19:48because that is very important
00:19:50if you want to become a leader,
00:19:52that's very important.
00:19:55Expensive.
00:19:59better.
00:20:00Better,
00:20:00better,
00:20:00better.
00:20:01Mas na nga,
00:20:02I can,
00:20:03I don't go for
00:20:04expensive gifts,
00:20:06but I rather would be
00:20:07from the heart.
00:20:09So,
00:20:09among God,
00:20:10among relationship,
00:20:11ang value exchange,
00:20:13it's not really material
00:20:14things.
00:20:15Maybe,
00:20:16morang ka nang
00:20:16yung mga yung
00:20:17na love language,
00:20:17ba?
00:20:18More on ka nang
00:20:21service,
00:20:22or the way
00:20:23you treat each other.
00:20:24Inana,
00:20:25inana nga mong
00:20:25gift giving
00:20:26towards each other,
00:20:27but never,
00:20:28never emphasis
00:20:28on any material things.
00:20:30Did you go
00:20:31mga tago gifts
00:20:31akong papa,
00:20:33o guwan?
00:20:33Pero,
00:20:35story ako,
00:20:36ano,
00:20:37ka nang
00:20:37kay usama ng
00:20:39material,
00:20:40di mananin mo
00:20:41may numduman.
00:20:42May numduman,
00:20:43e mo kung unsagi
00:20:43ka nang kinasingkasing
00:20:44na di mong
00:20:45offer sacrifice
00:20:46ba ron
00:20:47or something
00:20:48or time
00:20:48or ni-serve ka
00:20:49ni ana ba?
00:20:52Accommodation,
00:20:53mga gestures.
00:20:55Kani,
00:20:56who is
00:20:56peakier
00:20:57with food?
00:20:59Kasi yan,
00:21:00adin naman
00:21:00dagang,
00:21:01bawal na.
00:21:02No, no,
00:21:03if you're talking
00:21:03about
00:21:04Karin,
00:21:05but still,
00:21:08it's the simplicity
00:21:09that matters
00:21:10for me.
00:21:12That's why
00:21:13when I'm being
00:21:13asked a question,
00:21:14what's your
00:21:15favorite food?
00:21:16Kumunggos.
00:21:17What else?
00:21:18Turta.
00:21:19Ana na ako niya,
00:21:21you got by the
00:21:22sabaw,
00:21:23ah,
00:21:23tanggal
00:21:24guli-muli
00:21:24awag ganing,
00:21:28ganang ganing
00:21:29sabaw nga
00:21:29na-i-fork,
00:21:31last sabaw
00:21:32nga inununan,
00:21:34I mean,
00:21:35for me,
00:21:35that's sufficient.
00:21:36Home cook na?
00:21:37Home cook,
00:21:38yes,
00:21:38yes,
00:21:38home cook.
00:21:39So,
00:21:40muna nga,
00:21:41at right now,
00:21:43may langga
00:21:44malo,
00:21:45you'll always
00:21:45tell me,
00:21:46pwede ka ana,
00:21:47pwede ka ana,
00:21:48pwede ka ana,
00:21:49pwede ka ana.
00:21:50Ang guli,
00:21:52ah,
00:21:52we were
00:21:53in another place,
00:21:56picking up siya ni
00:21:57MJ,
00:21:59ah,
00:21:59ang dikaw DJ
00:22:00Moises,
00:22:01siya siya siya siya siya,
00:22:01na-i-MJ.
00:22:04No,
00:22:05no,
00:22:05no matter what,
00:22:06ah,
00:22:07na may pagkaon dito ba
00:22:08kay inyo,
00:22:09kay,
00:22:10kanina ng uras,
00:22:11supposed to be eating
00:22:12time,
00:22:13yeah,
00:22:14another one is
00:22:16insulin time
00:22:17or hot nut.
00:22:18Insulin time.
00:22:19So,
00:22:22it's,
00:22:23it's going to be
00:22:24daily,
00:22:25but takagkaon,
00:22:26garoon.
00:22:27Niyan to,
00:22:27okay lang,
00:22:28okay lang,
00:22:29okay,
00:22:30I can,
00:22:30I can eat anywhere,
00:22:32anywhere,
00:22:33where the driver's
00:22:34place,
00:22:36they eat,
00:22:37I eat there.
00:22:41Sige,
00:22:42kaon sa may mga
00:22:43food choices na lang,
00:22:44Nemo.
00:22:45Ako,
00:22:45currently.
00:22:46I'm a picky eater,
00:22:47kung saray natin na,
00:22:48important eh,
00:22:49mga kaon.
00:22:51Sige,
00:22:51kanina,
00:22:52is one word lang yun,
00:22:53one word.
00:22:54So,
00:22:54describe each other
00:22:55in one word lang,
00:22:57one word.
00:22:57What's up?
00:22:58Una na,
00:22:59Sige.
00:23:00Okay.
00:23:00Siya.
00:23:01Oh,
00:23:01you describe him in one word
00:23:02and then you describe
00:23:03your talent.
00:23:04Okay.
00:23:06Leader.
00:23:07Sige.
00:23:08And then,
00:23:08why?
00:23:10Yeah,
00:23:10expand.
00:23:11Ah,
00:23:11the humble.
00:23:12Expand,
00:23:12yung anong humble.
00:23:15Both of them,
00:23:16Michelin and Michel.
00:23:18I've been in government
00:23:20and I've been in a corporate world
00:23:22since 1984.
00:23:24And then I got into public service
00:23:26in 1992.
00:23:28Imagine,
00:23:29vice mayor,
00:23:30mayor,
00:23:31vice mayor,
00:23:32mayor.
00:23:33And wala ginagisood silang utok.
00:23:35You've never noticed them
00:23:38that they are
00:23:40both
00:23:42are
00:23:42with my blood.
00:23:44So,
00:23:45that's why
00:23:47humility,
00:23:48being humble,
00:23:49I've seen it in them.
00:23:51That's why
00:23:52it's not going to be a problem
00:23:53bringing them
00:23:55as
00:23:55for marketing.
00:23:59Leader.
00:24:01Leader.
00:24:02Leader.
00:24:02Leader.
00:24:03Leader again si Daddy.
00:24:04If you know him
00:24:05ever since,
00:24:07maybe,
00:24:08nagdako siguro na siya
00:24:09na
00:24:09leadership quality.
00:24:11Because
00:24:11leadership qualities,
00:24:12you can see many people
00:24:14in positions,
00:24:15not even in
00:24:16public,
00:24:17the public sector
00:24:18or the private sector
00:24:19na
00:24:19position na sila
00:24:21leader.
00:24:22Ako Daddy naanas
00:24:23yung pagkatawa
00:24:23ngayon pagka-leader.
00:24:25So,
00:24:25guha na siya sa
00:24:26pisto.
00:24:27Leader,
00:24:28good job.
00:24:28Sag-asal nyo siya
00:24:29ibutang
00:24:29in any whatever setting.
00:24:32Ang qualities
00:24:32of a leader
00:24:33na yung mga
00:24:34enumerate,
00:24:34ako makita.
00:24:35Naagit siya
00:24:36and
00:24:37muna,
00:24:37muna,
00:24:38leader siya.
00:24:38Basisip sẽ
00:24:39kanna ako dong.
00:24:40Dim timoon,
00:24:40hein.
00:24:43Gano ay ang
00:24:45description
00:24:45A-squared ko.
00:24:47Baka sa A-squared?
00:24:48Appeal appeillon
00:24:50na sa
00:24:51Binesia do horse
00:24:52nakabuok.
00:24:53Court of appeals
00:24:54day.
00:24:58Kinit
00:24:59baka sa
00:24:59Binesia
00:25:00na
00:25:00Kanabang
00:25:01nangilabot
00:25:02o
00:25:03manghilabot.
00:25:05Ako
00:25:05nangilabot
00:25:07nangilabot
00:25:08I don't like it, I don't like it, I don't like it, I don't like it, I don't like it.
00:25:15So Kenny is, what habits man said when you look at Counselor Mitchell now, what habits
00:25:20that he currently has that reminds you of yourself?
00:25:35I'm very proud, looking at my son, because maybe he was also a very good listener.
00:25:43That when he goes with the people, it becomes a habit.
00:25:50And then, if you have a bad habit or a good habit.
00:25:56So I don't know if he doesn't like it.
00:26:00I don't like it.
00:26:02Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.
00:26:05But anyway, you know why?
00:26:07Mas Kennedy.
00:26:09Why did I ask Gary Liu?
00:26:12In 1996, if you remember looking back,
00:26:16It's not a bad habit, it's a bad habit.
00:26:22It's a bad habit.
00:26:22It's a bad habit.
00:26:23Since 1996, I don't have a man in the middle.
00:26:28But in the early years, high school, college,
00:26:33up to 1996, I got a cold turkey.
00:26:37By the way, he was out.
00:26:38One morning,
00:26:40anna,
00:26:41there's a bad habit of Philip Morris.
00:26:44They're like, yeah,
00:26:46I'm not sure.
00:26:47I'm not sure I'm going to be...
00:26:49That's what he said.
00:27:03He's like,
00:27:03Philip Morris including
00:27:06and that was the last
00:27:10that was the last
00:27:12and that's why I'm thankful
00:27:14hindi na siya kalinog
00:27:16hindi siya kahinong dumana
00:27:18but ako sanginanin ko
00:27:20I think an angel
00:27:22got into him
00:27:25and really
00:27:28delivered that message
00:27:29thank God
00:27:34relevant sa kanyang
00:27:35pagka public servant
00:27:36na ako karun ba
00:27:37na ako sang yunaw na
00:27:39hindi siya ko kanumdong
00:27:40pero siya firmin niya balik-balikon
00:27:41na pagkabata
00:27:43naaka-impression kong
00:27:45sa'yo mga politiko ba
00:27:46na ako siyang ipangutan na
00:27:48bata pa kong
00:27:49are you corrupt?
00:27:51hindi kayo yung story
00:27:52that's a story
00:27:53you know
00:27:55without
00:27:57because it's about
00:27:58it's about the local school board
00:28:00before
00:28:01and I was a counselor
00:28:04and that was
00:28:05Miss Adigalio
00:28:07famous case Clinton
00:28:09until that time
00:28:10ni Lewinsky
00:28:12yeah yeah yeah
00:28:13and then I said
00:28:15he asked me that question
00:28:17and our relationship
00:28:18sa yung mama
00:28:19that good
00:28:20kami na lang nanimba
00:28:22sa Miss Adigalio
00:28:24cathedral ting ito
00:28:25if I'm not mistaken
00:28:27so yan mag ito
00:28:28kung gindichuk pungutana
00:28:29sa
00:28:30are you corrupt?
00:28:32because
00:28:33the discussion
00:28:34during that time
00:28:34ang homily
00:28:35siguro
00:28:36nat
00:28:37wawa
00:28:37matingay
00:28:38that doesn't have to do
00:28:39matingay
00:28:40may have been aware
00:28:41about Clinton
00:28:41and etc
00:28:42so I was telling him
00:28:46don't
00:28:46you just
00:28:47accused me
00:28:48of
00:28:48because I'm not perfect
00:28:50at that time
00:28:52my eyes
00:28:52was also a part
00:28:54but corruption
00:28:56has never been
00:28:58my cup of tidum
00:28:59and
00:29:00I related
00:29:01to him
00:29:03about
00:29:04a 500,000
00:29:06that reached
00:29:07to my office
00:29:08once
00:29:09delivered
00:29:10to my office
00:29:11the second time
00:29:12I declined
00:29:13and that's the whole story
00:29:15and I don't want to be
00:29:18and then I told
00:29:23about
00:29:24that
00:29:24and that was
00:29:28a councillor
00:29:30going towards
00:29:312,000
00:29:38that 500,000
00:29:40makabayad
00:29:41makapalita
00:29:41oh
00:29:42brand new car
00:29:43but
00:29:44at the time
00:29:45nung
00:29:45lakon na kayo
00:29:46to siya
00:29:47ng kwarta
00:29:47but
00:29:47at least
00:29:49looking back
00:29:50lipay kayo
00:29:51ha
00:29:52I was
00:29:53sharing it
00:29:54with my son
00:29:54and that's why
00:29:55karun
00:29:56kasi
00:29:57kong balik-balik
00:29:57niya
00:29:58ipag tinuto
00:29:58niya
00:29:58ka uwan
00:30:01that's what
00:30:02I keep on reminding
00:30:03him
00:30:03life is
00:30:05splitting
00:30:05your being
00:30:07there is a
00:30:08privilege
00:30:08and
00:30:09please
00:30:12give good
00:30:13good governance
00:30:14really a value
00:30:16and service
00:30:17above self
00:30:18and as people
00:30:20actually say
00:30:20once
00:30:21you are
00:30:22public figures
00:30:23you will always
00:30:24hear things
00:30:25about
00:30:25you
00:30:26so in your
00:30:27case
00:30:28and looking
00:30:28at your
00:30:29dad
00:30:30what are
00:30:31the things
00:30:32that
00:30:32I know
00:30:33but just
00:30:34one
00:30:34that you
00:30:36heard about
00:30:36him
00:30:37in which
00:30:38it's
00:30:38completely
00:30:39wrong
00:30:41I know
00:30:42you will
00:30:44hear
00:30:44growing up
00:30:45you heard
00:30:45so many
00:30:46things
00:30:46about your
00:30:46dad
00:30:46but just
00:30:47pick one
00:30:48during
00:30:51election
00:30:53time
00:30:53black
00:30:56propaganda
00:31:14that's why
00:31:16when I see
00:31:17things about
00:31:17other people
00:31:18that's why
00:31:19they
00:31:21are
00:31:30black
00:31:31propaganda
00:31:31even
00:31:32against other
00:31:33people
00:31:33I don't
00:31:34readily believe
00:31:34automatically
00:31:36so you can see how things can be untrue
00:31:39and now for you Mayor Mike
00:31:43assuming that you're in your 30s right now
00:31:48and then you are entering politics in 2028
00:31:54the first time
00:31:56but he needs to be honest
00:31:59assuming
00:32:03no but there's another story about that
00:32:06some have mentioned
00:32:08that my son should not run yet
00:32:12because he's still young
00:32:14maybe the face is very young
00:32:18but the age is already reaching a level of math learning
00:32:24assuming that you're 40
00:32:26and then you will be entering politics
00:32:30in 2028
00:32:32for the first time
00:32:33for the first time
00:32:35yes
00:32:35what would you be doing differently this time
00:32:39I don't have to think about it
00:32:40sige
00:32:41I don't want to think about it
00:32:42okay
00:32:43because
00:32:43you look back
00:32:45I was 40
00:32:46and then going to 2028
00:32:50what change should I be
00:32:53bringing
00:32:53when
00:32:54who I am is who I am
00:32:56and therefore
00:32:5710 out of 2028
00:33:00and I'm 40
00:33:01I'm 40
00:33:03I'm 40
00:33:05more or less
00:33:08I mean
00:33:09so I can move forward
00:33:11move forward
00:33:12and think
00:33:14of making the lives of the poor
00:33:16better
00:33:17the middle class
00:33:18comfortable
00:33:19and the rich
00:33:20to share
00:33:22and
00:33:23the mantra
00:33:24poorest first
00:33:26poor second
00:33:28so that's a guideline
00:33:30that I wish
00:33:32a 40 year old
00:33:33right
00:33:34if I was a 40 year old
00:33:38under the assumption
00:33:39obviously
00:33:42I am pretty sure
00:33:43100%
00:33:45he carries
00:33:47the guidance
00:33:48of the mom
00:33:49Raselli
00:33:50and the tutelage
00:33:52from the father
00:33:53and that's me
00:33:54and
00:33:55in the course of the interview
00:33:56I can also tell
00:33:57that your
00:33:58dad is a
00:33:59strong
00:34:00positive influence
00:34:01in who you are
00:34:02as a person
00:34:02and who you are
00:34:03as a leader
00:34:03but my next question is
00:34:05which among
00:34:06his advices
00:34:07or influences
00:34:09that you've
00:34:10experienced
00:34:11through the years
00:34:11that you've chosen
00:34:13not
00:34:14to follow
00:34:17okay
00:34:18okay
00:34:19okay
00:34:32you want to know
00:34:34if you're okay
00:34:37to share
00:34:37no because
00:34:39I wanted
00:34:40I really wanted
00:34:42but I'm already happy
00:34:43happy na ko
00:34:44nagminyo siya
00:34:46nagminyo siya
00:34:47and
00:34:48he got married
00:34:50to Etienne
00:34:51that
00:34:52he doesn't have
00:34:53any
00:34:53I do not have
00:34:54any
00:34:55dislike
00:34:56but
00:34:57more
00:34:57more
00:34:58more
00:34:58praises
00:34:59because
00:35:00she has
00:35:01taken care
00:35:02of
00:35:02Mikel
00:35:03but
00:35:04before
00:35:05sus
00:35:06kumain mo palang
00:35:07supplyan ako
00:35:07sa babae ba
00:35:10minyuriya
00:35:10minyuriya
00:35:11tigay kong
00:35:12tigay na kong
00:35:13anak para
00:35:13naanak ko'y
00:35:15apo
00:35:15kawa po mo
00:35:16ko'y apo
00:35:17so
00:35:18Karun
00:35:18tingali
00:35:20God's will
00:35:21anak
00:35:21ito sa unang
00:35:23makibalo
00:35:24kung
00:35:25hindi
00:35:26masama
00:35:26sugot
00:35:26kung
00:35:27sun
00:35:27siya ba
00:35:28na
00:35:29abot
00:35:29lamang
00:35:29sa
00:35:31now
00:35:31Karun said
00:35:32especially
00:35:33with
00:35:33social
00:35:33media
00:35:34and
00:35:34all
00:35:35the
00:35:35issues
00:35:36that
00:35:36are
00:35:37happening
00:35:37with
00:35:37the
00:35:38country
00:35:38and
00:35:38the
00:35:38world
00:35:39ba
00:35:39do
00:35:39you
00:35:40have
00:35:40an
00:35:40internal
00:35:41agreement
00:35:41or
00:35:43will
00:35:43it
00:35:43ever
00:35:44come
00:35:44into
00:35:44a
00:35:44point
00:35:45that
00:35:45both
00:35:45of
00:35:46you
00:35:46will
00:35:47disagree
00:35:47with
00:35:48each
00:35:48other
00:35:49on
00:35:49a
00:35:49position
00:35:50on
00:35:50a
00:35:50particular
00:35:51issue
00:35:51in
00:35:52public
00:35:53ah
00:35:54open
00:35:54yes
00:35:55you
00:35:56would
00:35:56really
00:35:56openly
00:35:57contradict
00:35:57each
00:35:58other's
00:35:58position
00:35:58you
00:35:59want
00:35:59the
00:36:00answer
00:36:00yes
00:36:00you
00:36:01will
00:36:01never
00:36:01hear
00:36:01it
00:36:01from
00:36:02me
00:36:03never
00:36:05you
00:36:05know
00:36:05why
00:36:06because
00:36:07we
00:36:07knew
00:36:07when
00:36:08an
00:36:08issue
00:36:09is
00:36:09being
00:36:09ventilated
00:36:10and
00:36:11I
00:36:12knew
00:36:13there's
00:36:13time
00:36:13for
00:36:13me
00:36:14to
00:36:14discuss
00:36:14with
00:36:14him
00:36:15I
00:36:16always
00:36:16will
00:36:16find
00:36:16time
00:36:18I
00:36:18am
00:36:18not
00:36:19around
00:36:19to
00:36:19insult
00:36:19my
00:36:20own
00:36:20son
00:36:20never
00:36:21and
00:36:22I
00:36:22will
00:36:22never
00:36:23do
00:36:23that
00:36:23in
00:36:24public
00:36:27same
00:36:28but
00:36:28um
00:36:30but
00:36:31it will
00:36:33never
00:36:33happen
00:36:33for
00:36:36the same
00:36:37reason
00:36:39that's
00:36:39why
00:36:39I
00:36:40have
00:36:40to
00:36:40be
00:36:40more
00:36:42mature
00:36:43sometimes
00:36:44I
00:36:44make
00:36:48that
00:36:49position
00:36:49without
00:36:49knowing
00:36:51the
00:36:51whole
00:36:51context
00:36:52and
00:37:05you
00:37:05openly
00:37:06in terms
00:37:07of
00:37:07respect
00:37:07you
00:37:08will
00:37:09never
00:37:09see
00:37:09me
00:37:11disrespecting
00:37:11of course
00:37:12I have no guidance from my father.
00:37:18So you will not hear it from me as well.
00:37:22Now, Mayor Mike, if you are interviewing
00:37:26Councilor Mikel as a voter, not as a father,
00:37:29as a voter, what would you ask him?
00:37:34Are you ready?
00:37:36For?
00:37:38He is going to rant with Mayor.
00:37:40I am a voter.
00:37:43Will you convince me why I should vote with him?
00:37:47He should answer.
00:37:50Because no matter what, he is getting towards that direction.
00:37:55Can he?
00:37:56Of course, me as a public official now,
00:38:02as a public officer,
00:38:06you always see the value in the public office being a public trust.
00:38:18I see that the responsibility is being released towards the trust entrusted to our government to bring it to the
00:38:28next generation.
00:38:28I see that there was also a crisis in erosion of public trust in our governmental institutions.
00:38:34And the way I do my work now is to fully regain that trust.
00:38:43And in terms of higher office, I think it's really incumbent upon anybody who is in public service to be
00:38:49ready at any time.
00:38:51And to be ready is to do your work as faithfully with the most integrity as possible.
00:38:57And so that when the time comes when you have to offer yourself to the public,
00:39:03you are worthy of offering yourself to the public.
00:39:05But I understand that being among the newer generation there,
00:39:10we hold an immense responsibility for
00:39:13to restore, to preserve, and to make it better than how we got it.
00:39:26So, come on.
00:39:29Hopefully, I'll be right back.
00:39:33Okay, now, reverse the side.
00:39:35If you are interviewing your dad as a former mayor of Cebu City,
00:39:39but you are interviewing him as a voter, not as a son,
00:39:42what would you ask him?
00:39:44Come on.
00:39:45Come on.
00:39:45Come on.
00:39:46Yes, sir.
00:39:48Sa kadugay na ni mong,
00:39:51may servisyo din sa atong siyudad,
00:39:55na,
00:39:57tinginunta lang,
00:39:58mabalik yun ka,
00:39:59karong umabot.
00:40:00Pinili ay,
00:40:022028.
00:40:02Unsa pa may mga bago,
00:40:03na pwede ni mong ikahalad
00:40:05para sa katawahan din sa atong.
00:40:07Wow, magumaguna ako na alam.
00:40:08Kusa may balik ko na ako.
00:40:10O sa'y posisyon nga,
00:40:11ikaw may mudagan pa kumayon.
00:40:14E gano'n ha?
00:40:15Oo.
00:40:16Klaro, magko nga ang imang busy mayon.
00:40:18Water!
00:40:19Water!
00:40:20Water!
00:40:21Nakibalo ka nga ako,
00:40:22nagibalik balik ang istorya nga.
00:40:24Ang busy mayos kong anak,
00:40:26si doon doon.
00:40:28Niya ako,
00:40:29kursyal na lang gali ko,
00:40:31sa tinaulay,
00:40:32water.
00:40:33Water!
00:40:35At daw,
00:40:35kaneng,
00:40:36ato tingin baton ka ron,
00:40:39ay,
00:40:40namang ko sa Rotary Club
00:40:41o sa Guadalupe.
00:40:43Ah,
00:40:44magkinala pa ng istorya pa sa,
00:40:47maabot.
00:40:48Eh,
00:40:48sige magigit po kong serbisyo ba?
00:40:50Ah,
00:40:51serbisyo.
00:40:53In a little while,
00:40:54kuyong may,
00:40:56rama foundation,
00:40:58na amin dito yung activity sa,
00:41:02labangon.
00:41:02Labangon.
00:41:03Then, ah,
00:41:05that's still,
00:41:06ah,
00:41:06what I call,
00:41:08ah,
00:41:08butter.
00:41:10Paninbisyo.
00:41:11So,
00:41:11so,
00:41:12unyan,
00:41:13at ang istorya tingli na,
00:41:14na,
00:41:15sa'y umaabot.
00:41:17Okay,
00:41:17kung ako'y imumpungutan,
00:41:19nun,
00:41:19boter ka,
00:41:20ako na ipahinom doon siya kong anak,
00:41:22mudagan pagkamay.
00:41:24Ah,
00:41:24ah,
00:41:26ah,
00:41:27hamahin siya,
00:41:28moving forward,
00:41:29to learn as much,
00:41:30mm-hmm.
00:41:31So that,
00:41:32whatever that has been left,
00:41:35unfinished,
00:41:36and what is good,
00:41:37if and when there are,
00:41:39now,
00:41:40iyanandadun.
00:41:41Towards,
00:41:42so that,
00:41:43better governance,
00:41:44will be observed.
00:41:46Muna nga,
00:41:47ikaw botanti,
00:41:48ayaw dry,
00:41:50ipangutanan ako,
00:41:50tabangay akong anak,
00:41:52ayon mo mayok.
00:41:56i'll enter into a topic also that the younger generation tend to ask more but there are also
00:42:05the older generation medyo divided no some of them supports this some of them don't and i'm
00:42:11referring to political dynasty no so some people they were saying it curtails opportunities for
00:42:18new leaders but there are also those who support it now if the practices are good then it should
00:42:24be sustained what's your position with this
00:42:28more than I am going to put it in the first time I was going to put it in the
00:42:33first time I was going to do it
00:42:35simple like a tobacco
00:42:37you don't want to be affected
00:42:41when you're going to be a bad thing
00:42:45and when you're going to be a bad thing
00:42:47The work that some people bought for you,
00:42:54and therefore, they bought it.
00:42:57They bought it.
00:42:59The dynasty.
00:43:01What do you think?
00:43:05What do you feel uncomfortable?
00:43:08Sorry.
00:43:10The fella's told that the younger brother,
00:43:11he had no desire to go to visit her.
00:43:16He did not go to visit her.
00:43:21He said,
00:43:21the man,
00:43:22the boy,
00:43:24the guy,
00:43:25the guy,
00:43:34the guy.
00:43:35that I will say that it is possible.
00:43:41So, if it's not possible for this,
00:43:43at least it will be clear.
00:43:47But even if the politicians are in the public,
00:43:49they are so still in the Senate,
00:43:53and Congress,
00:43:54but they will appeal to the media,
00:43:57they will appeal to the media,
00:43:59they will appeal to the media,
00:44:00they will appeal to the media,
00:44:01they will appeal to the media,
00:44:02appeal to corruption, beyond imagination, for Diyos, for Santo.
00:44:09Ayaw na ninyo pili. Ah, ayaw.
00:44:12Muna yung ko,
00:44:13kanang relative na siya?
00:44:15Kanang dynasty, relative?
00:44:17Moro ng kwarta ba?
00:44:18Money is relative.
00:44:21The more money you have,
00:44:22the more relative you will have.
00:44:24So I am not quite
00:44:26in favor ng kalitlang of sira ba?
00:44:29Imagine siya doani mong anti-dynasty.
00:44:34Moro pag sumaneng.
00:44:36Dimokrasya makata.
00:44:38When we are under democracy
00:44:40and republican system,
00:44:43so we are under the tenets
00:44:45of the right to choose.
00:44:48Diligay, you are going to be restricting
00:44:50niyo to ana.
00:44:52I mong kipulihan nga
00:44:53kanang piliunin mo.
00:44:55Tungod kay dynasty,
00:44:57wala na noon kabalik.
00:45:00Sa ending,
00:45:02you miss the continuity
00:45:04of an honest to goodness governance.
00:45:08Muna akong piling.
00:45:10Ganang ang mga kawatan.
00:45:12Ah, sarong ba makibaw
00:45:13kaysa ng mga kawatan?
00:45:14So, ayan na, pilihan sila.
00:45:17Pisag, pariya pa ng mga nga
00:45:18kabalik-balik niyo.
00:45:20Pero kung ang mga nga
00:45:21kabalik-balik
00:45:22ni karigid o good governance,
00:45:25pilihan ninyo.
00:45:27Ang akong tubaga na,
00:45:28kay, you have to look at it.
00:45:30We understand nga na.
00:45:32I'm concerned about
00:45:34na in fact,
00:45:35na-appell yun ang 1987 constitution
00:45:36na na-agib na
00:45:38kata-anti-political dynasty
00:45:40na provision dito,
00:45:41wala lang na-define yet.
00:45:43But ako sa gitan,
00:45:45ako ginasyag yun na,
00:45:46Sir DJ,
00:45:46na is political dynasty,
00:45:49magkaparihag pa nga
00:45:50na musud sa panervisyo,
00:45:53inherently ka ng nefarious?
00:45:55I think it's not
00:45:57ang
00:45:58kanang pamilya
00:45:59na pangan.
00:46:00But actually,
00:46:00more on the patronage
00:46:01na it allows.
00:46:03Kaya na may uba na
00:46:04i-abuse na siya.
00:46:07Pat na amin sa'yo ba na
00:46:08parehan ng uba na
00:46:09of course,
00:46:10parehan ng family of doctors,
00:46:12family of lawyers,
00:46:13na musunod lang ka sa
00:46:14other generations ninyo
00:46:16para mo add on sa inyong
00:46:18kanang
00:46:19nahibawaan sa inyong pamilya,
00:46:20na
00:46:21field of endeavor ninyo
00:46:22as a family na
00:46:23kung sa gitudlo ninyo
00:46:24pagkabata.
00:46:25So I think,
00:46:26actually,
00:46:27in and of itself,
00:46:32political dynasty
00:46:33is not what's wrong
00:46:34with our electoral system
00:46:36now.
00:46:36Ang ako nakitan,
00:46:38it's really
00:46:38the patronage
00:46:39huwag kaneng
00:46:41kaneng
00:46:43we have the fair election
00:46:44but it's not the fair elections anymore.
00:46:47Magitan ako kakaroon,
00:46:48sa una,
00:46:49naatay campaign periods
00:46:50pero karoon kita ka,
00:46:52naghan kay poster ng gawas.
00:46:54Nagko kayo.
00:46:55Kaya na yung mga loopholes na.
00:46:57Is there really
00:46:58a fair elections?
00:47:00Even
00:47:00not looking at
00:47:01political dynasties.
00:47:03Kung tangtangon mo ang
00:47:04political dynasty
00:47:04pero naagya po ang
00:47:06ability to
00:47:07to
00:47:08kanang
00:47:09exploit
00:47:10patronage
00:47:11and kaneng
00:47:12why fair elections.
00:47:13Kisa may mahimong
00:47:14leader na to.
00:47:16Kung kinse pinakadaghag
00:47:17kwarta.
00:47:18Muna siya ay
00:47:19current situation
00:47:20ka ron.
00:47:21Taghan kayong
00:47:22even
00:47:23magitan ako ka,
00:47:24partily system.
00:47:25Do they really
00:47:27represent the marginalized?
00:47:28No.
00:47:29But you're correct,
00:47:30Sir DJ na
00:47:30there really needs to be
00:47:32reform,
00:47:33electoral reform
00:47:34in kinse qualified
00:47:35to seek office
00:47:37but we should not look at
00:47:39kanang
00:47:40myopically
00:47:41on certain things
00:47:41because
00:47:42mas dakko ang,
00:47:43in my own opinion,
00:47:46mas dakko ang
00:47:46ang cause
00:47:47sa unsay problema ka ron.
00:47:49And it's really
00:47:50the ability to use
00:47:52political patronage
00:47:53to
00:47:54influence
00:47:56the results
00:47:57to limit
00:47:59democracy
00:48:00actually
00:48:00to limit
00:48:01democracy
00:48:02na dilitanan
00:48:03ang PD makapapili
00:48:04kailangan
00:48:05maka
00:48:06accumulate
00:48:07kagdaghan kang resources
00:48:08to gain
00:48:09advantage through
00:48:10political patronage.
00:48:12So,
00:48:12mora na akong
00:48:13position.
00:48:14In addition,
00:48:15it was mentioned
00:48:16it was mentioned
00:48:17by my son
00:48:191987.
00:48:21I was about to say that.
00:48:22yeah,
00:48:23that is during Marcos
00:48:24because the
00:48:261987
00:48:27constitution
00:48:28I
00:48:29was being guided
00:48:30it's a
00:48:31compromise
00:48:32constitution.
00:48:35and if you look back
00:48:36four years
00:48:38bang yun ang elected
00:48:39ba?
00:48:40Okay,
00:48:41we always
00:48:42made some
00:48:43assumptions
00:48:44during the
00:48:45Marcos time
00:48:46that should not be
00:48:46repeated
00:48:47to the extent
00:48:48we have reduced
00:48:50four years
00:48:51to three years
00:48:52term
00:48:53I think
00:48:55mga tao
00:48:56tingin na
00:48:5687
00:48:58kapataw na ka.
00:48:59Okay,
00:49:00but anyhow
00:49:01it was to
00:49:02prevent
00:49:05Marcos
00:49:07that's why it was
00:49:10anti-Marcos
00:49:12na
00:49:13direksyon
00:49:15ever
00:49:15mo na
00:49:16may pin,
00:49:17medyo konsultihan
00:49:18na
00:49:21bangutan na yung mga
00:49:22maluloglula
00:49:23ngano nga
00:49:24malas laman
00:49:25sa public service
00:49:28na
00:49:29karoon
00:49:30inyo nang
00:49:31i-restrict
00:49:32i-repress
00:49:33ninyo
00:49:34katubo na sila
00:49:36nakita nila
00:49:37tingon ako ganina
00:49:39basta maayo lang
00:49:40larga
00:49:41ngano
00:49:42maimumang
00:49:43ang democratic process
00:49:44muna
00:49:45the right
00:49:46to vote
00:49:47the right to choose
00:49:48mabuhat ka
00:49:50dynasty
00:49:50anti-dynasty
00:49:51ito yung muna
00:49:52you are limiting
00:49:56so
00:49:56karoon
00:49:57and then
00:49:58murag naka
00:49:59complicate
00:49:59but we'll go back
00:50:00to the easy one
00:50:03let's
00:50:03so karoon po
00:50:07let's
00:50:08put in
00:50:09social media
00:50:10i think you've
00:50:11mentioned
00:50:11about patronage
00:50:14and then
00:50:15resources
00:50:17and then
00:50:18it can be also
00:50:19used to
00:50:20work around
00:50:21as a work around
00:50:23to
00:50:25early
00:50:26politicking
00:50:27which is supposed to be
00:50:29not
00:50:29the case
00:50:30so
00:50:31do you think
00:50:32social media
00:50:33has
00:50:34altered
00:50:35democracy
00:50:36in such a way
00:50:37that
00:50:38there is now
00:50:39a drive
00:50:39towards
00:50:40popularity
00:50:42instead of
00:50:43competence
00:50:44i mean
00:50:46social media
00:50:48it's
00:50:49like any
00:50:50source of media
00:50:51it's where people get their
00:50:52information
00:50:52but
00:50:54if you're asking me
00:50:55if
00:50:56to limit
00:50:57or to regulate
00:50:58the way social media
00:50:59is being handled
00:51:00i don't think that's the
00:51:01correct way son
00:51:01because
00:51:02freedom of expression
00:51:03i think it's just really
00:51:05how we can
00:51:07provide discernment
00:51:08to people
00:51:09who are
00:51:10but
00:51:10they don't
00:51:12they don't
00:51:13they don't
00:51:14they don't
00:51:14the way social media
00:51:18but i think
00:51:18you know
00:51:20we don't
00:51:21we don't
00:51:22underestimate
00:51:23the discernment
00:51:24of our voters
00:51:25so
00:51:26the more they understand
00:51:29that
00:51:30you don't believe
00:51:31everything that you see
00:51:32online
00:51:33and i think the world
00:51:35has its own way
00:51:35to regulate itself
00:51:36so i don't think it's that
00:51:37nefarious good or dangerous
00:51:39the use of social media
00:51:41as long as
00:51:42we teach
00:51:43everybody
00:51:44to be responsible
00:51:45in discerning
00:51:46things that they see
00:51:47on social media
00:51:49the word is education
00:51:53if you don't get people
00:51:55to be
00:51:57properly educated
00:51:58but
00:51:59it's still relative again
00:52:01because our country
00:52:03we don't have
00:52:05that much
00:52:06much
00:52:06much money
00:52:07that ought to be
00:52:09invested
00:52:10in
00:52:11educating
00:52:12the
00:52:14citizenry
00:52:17the more
00:52:19we are going down the drain
00:52:23because if and when
00:52:25parental
00:52:27we call that
00:52:29authority
00:52:30are instituted
00:52:32but still
00:52:34when you would institutionalization
00:52:36of parental
00:52:36guidance
00:52:37guidance
00:52:39it's
00:52:40that
00:52:40it's
00:52:41imposed the most
00:52:42poorest of the poor
00:52:43the poor
00:52:44the
00:52:44the
00:52:45the
00:52:46the
00:52:46the
00:52:47the
00:52:47the
00:52:47the
00:52:47the
00:52:47the
00:52:48the
00:52:48the
00:52:49the
00:52:53the
00:52:54the
00:52:54the
00:52:58the
00:53:00the
00:53:00the
00:53:00the
00:53:00the
00:53:00the
00:53:01the
00:53:02the
00:53:02the
00:53:03The young people are going to put a cell phone.
00:53:07Just going back to my 6 years old,
00:53:10MJ.
00:53:12First of all,
00:53:15it's hard for MJ,
00:53:17or it's hard for MJ,
00:53:20because it's strict to me.
00:53:23If you ask me to come back to MJ,
00:53:27what do you say to MJ?
00:53:29What do you say to MJ?
00:53:31You're familiar with Zumbi, right?
00:53:33Black versus Zumbi.
00:53:36Then I have to bring to MJ,
00:53:41where are the Zumbi?
00:53:43I've been in Patanauon,
00:53:45where are the Zumbi?
00:53:46Where are the Zumbi?
00:53:48I mean, you get my point?
00:53:50Yeah, you get your point.
00:53:51So at the end of the day,
00:53:54the word restricting is not the right thing actually.
00:53:58Regulating,
00:53:59yes,
00:54:01but the real responsibility
00:54:03should be
00:54:05in the household.
00:54:07Kini sila.
00:54:09You know how
00:54:10maybe strict at that time,
00:54:13but later,
00:54:14my son,
00:54:16both of them,
00:54:17they were so,
00:54:20we call that grateful.
00:54:22Kini ma na sila katanawag TV
00:54:24weekdays?
00:54:27Katanawag TV
00:54:29ikabot sa Friday,
00:54:30ikabot sa Sunday,
00:54:32no TV,
00:54:33because the next day is
00:54:35study day,
00:54:36or school day.
00:54:38And then I have to keep on reminding
00:54:40my son,
00:54:42and then
00:54:43with my langga,
00:54:48I enrolled in the public educational system.
00:54:53Huwag na manginambog ka,
00:54:55valediktoryan ko.
00:54:56However,
00:54:59ni grow up ko,
00:55:00and then here I am,
00:55:03I want,
00:55:04and he knows,
00:55:06ni grow up,
00:55:07and I am pretty well.
00:55:09So pagkadako na nila,
00:55:10ako kais nagpasalamat na mo.
00:55:12Kaya yung ilang mga classmates,
00:55:14engage into drugs.
00:55:18Ilang mga classmates,
00:55:20wajud ka kuman.
00:55:21Ilang mga classmates,
00:55:25mabdos,
00:55:26et cetera, et cetera.
00:55:29So,
00:55:31balik ka utaan ng istorya
00:55:32social media,
00:55:33medyo na sosyal,
00:55:36tapay mga Facebook,
00:55:38o magawa kay Facebook,
00:55:40papay kay Book.
00:55:41But the most important thing really is,
00:55:44naanani sila.
00:55:46It's there already.
00:55:48You cannot just have it abroad,
00:55:50have it all perished.
00:55:52But the most important thing is,
00:55:53it's the end thing.
00:55:54It's there.
00:55:56So government should come in.
00:55:58But government should be
00:56:00collaborating with
00:56:02schools.
00:56:03And that will have to be
00:56:05a big, big challenge.
00:56:07O nga,
00:56:09magmayor man siya.
00:56:12I wish nga,
00:56:14tisa ko gusto ng,
00:56:16wa na lang.
00:56:18Nga to the extent nga,
00:56:21nga,
00:56:22I don't know,
00:56:22I do not want to,
00:56:23demean others kay,
00:56:25whether you like it or not.
00:56:27na nga naman lang silpon.
00:56:31So you have to decide.
00:56:34Hindi lang lang lang silpon sa balay.
00:56:37That's a very, very,
00:56:39I don't know,
00:56:40why silpon?
00:56:41Nga.
00:56:42Pati kipaminaw lang,
00:56:43wa, wa, wa.
00:56:45Sukko, simjia na.
00:56:47Although,
00:56:49I'm sure you've heard the news,
00:56:50but we'll go into the easier questions na,
00:56:52to add, no?
00:56:53But, di ba,
00:56:54there's already a,
00:56:56an announcement from the UP College of Law,
00:56:59that they are not allowing their first year students
00:57:04in their core courses,
00:57:05to use AI,
00:57:07and gadgets,
00:57:08while they are in school.
00:57:10Ah, kuyawa, no?
00:57:11Oo.
00:57:12Okay, Murag,
00:57:12I think that's their way of forcing,
00:57:15kanang,
00:57:15the thought process,
00:57:16in the formative years.
00:57:19Okay, first year naman nilang gisay.
00:57:21So UP law, eh?
00:57:22UP law.
00:57:23Nga, no?
00:57:23While they are on campus.
00:57:25Ah, while on campus.
00:57:26Yeah, so they don't allow AI anymore,
00:57:28or gadgets,
00:57:29while they are,
00:57:31ah,
00:57:31in campus.
00:57:33There's a question there.
00:57:35Sige.
00:57:36What's the punishment?
00:57:37Wala pa kuni tanam sa punishment.
00:57:39Yeah, yeah, because,
00:57:40you know, I mean,
00:57:43money balik balik lagi na ko.
00:57:45When you talk,
00:57:47you are not allowed,
00:57:48you are not allowed.
00:57:49And what is allowed?
00:57:51It has to be equated.
00:57:55Dino lagi na mawa.
00:57:57We are now in the age of digital,
00:57:59digital, digital, digital, digitalization.
00:58:01Now we are now into the age of,
00:58:04EI.
00:58:05Sa amo na sapatidurama.
00:58:07Dino lagi na EI nga.
00:58:11Automatic initiative.
00:58:12Ah?
00:58:12Okay, sorry.
00:58:14Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:58:14Continue, continue.
00:58:15EI.
00:58:17People reminding them.
00:58:19Automatic niya na akai initiative mo ng EI.
00:58:24Ah, but talking about EI.
00:58:28Anyway.
00:58:29Sige.
00:58:29Last two questions na lang.
00:58:30But I'm enjoying this conversation so much.
00:58:32I hate restrictions.
00:58:35But we have to do that.
00:58:37Regulations.
00:58:38Correct.
00:58:39Sige.
00:58:39In your perspective,
00:58:41as a former mayor,
00:58:42of Cebu City Mayor,
00:58:44what do you think the generations,
00:58:46or the future Cebuanos,
00:58:48what value do you think
00:58:50the future Cebuanos should never lose?
00:58:55Never lose.
00:58:57Never lose.
00:58:57Lose.
00:58:58Diigid mawala.
00:58:59Ah, diigid mawala.
00:59:00Lose.
00:59:00Gratitude.
00:59:01That's a question for you also.
00:59:04Gratitude.
00:59:06Importante ka na.
00:59:09Gratitude.
00:59:10Binisaya.
00:59:12Utang.
00:59:13Kabubutolo.
00:59:15Diigid na huwagtangon.
00:59:18Baga nakikagnaong.
00:59:20Imagine.
00:59:20Kung kayo nagtabang sa katao.
00:59:23Niya.
00:59:24Nisaka na ka.
00:59:26Pagkauman.
00:59:27Kalimdala ni mo ang tao
00:59:29na nagpasakanin mo
00:59:30sa kakrasya na tao.
00:59:33Tao ka.
00:59:34Or multo.
00:59:36Get my point?
00:59:39Gratitude.
00:59:41And for you?
00:59:42Ako, similar, similar,
00:59:44but naka ng sense of shared responsibility
00:59:46of community.
00:59:47Na.
00:59:49I think.
00:59:50Usa na ka.
00:59:51Importante kayo na.
00:59:53Value na unique.
00:59:53Sa Cebuano na.
00:59:55When you see another person.
00:59:56Ni mong kanang.
00:59:58Silingan ba ni mo.
00:59:59Or taga Cebu.
00:59:59Kanang.
01:00:00You don't see them as.
01:00:02A separate.
01:00:03Individual.
01:00:03But.
01:00:04Kanang namoy collective.
01:00:05Na identity together ba.
01:00:07I hope that.
01:00:09Lisod mang kayo na.
01:00:11Karo na.
01:00:11Nagadagan ang tao.
01:00:13We are all in.
01:00:14Mga virtual communities.
01:00:15So.
01:00:16Engross in our own personal lives.
01:00:18That we don't.
01:00:19No longer care about.
01:00:20The people around us.
01:00:21In our community.
01:00:22Kung si problema.
01:00:23Na niya.
01:00:23Iyan ang problema.
01:00:25Wala ko'y kanang.
01:00:26Care sa iyan problema ba.
01:00:28Na.
01:00:28I hope.
01:00:29Kanang dili na mawa.
01:00:30Na.
01:00:30Kanang.
01:00:30We still care about each other.
01:00:32Even if dili kita.
01:00:33Ingon.
01:00:34Kanang.
01:00:35Usaka.
01:00:35Household.
01:00:36Sa.
01:00:37We still have a sense of community.
01:00:39Na.
01:00:39We still.
01:00:40Are willing to be.
01:00:41Of help.
01:00:42To each other.
01:00:43And so.
01:00:44Sige Karonke.
01:00:45We opened man about.
01:00:46Who you are at home.
01:00:47So now we will close it.
01:00:49About.
01:00:50Each other's presence.
01:00:51In your.
01:00:52In your life.
01:00:53So.
01:00:54Let's start with you.
01:00:55So what did you learn.
01:00:57From.
01:00:57Your father.
01:00:58Mayor Mike.
01:00:59Like.
01:00:59One thing lang.
01:01:01That.
01:01:01You can really say.
01:01:02That made you.
01:01:03A better.
01:01:04Person.
01:01:06Kasi balik balik na.
01:01:08Discipline.
01:01:08O ka nang.
01:01:09There are things na.
01:01:12In the moment.
01:01:12You don't.
01:01:13Want to do.
01:01:14But you.
01:01:14Have to do.
01:01:15Some sense of responsibility.
01:01:17O duty na.
01:01:18Kailangan yun na.
01:01:19I mong i override.
01:01:20Ang imuhang tendency.
01:01:22So.
01:01:23For the betterment of.
01:01:24Not just yourself.
01:01:25But.
01:01:26Of others who rely on you.
01:01:28Obedience.
01:01:29Is.
01:01:30And in your case.
01:01:31What are you learning.
01:01:32No.
01:01:32From.
01:01:33Counselor.
01:01:34Mikel.
01:01:35No.
01:01:35That you can say.
01:01:36That's a good idea.
01:01:38And it's making me.
01:01:39A better person.
01:01:44Lison na.
01:01:45Bangutan na.
01:01:48Because.
01:01:48Supposedly.
01:01:50Balik magitan.
01:01:51Correct.
01:01:53Of course.
01:01:55Ako na learn.
01:01:58Mikel.
01:02:01Which.
01:02:02You really have to respect.
01:02:04Not all.
01:02:05That a father.
01:02:06Would wish.
01:02:08That a son.
01:02:09Will be.
01:02:10There are.
01:02:11Really times.
01:02:11That.
01:02:12You just have to agree.
01:02:13No.
01:02:16No.
01:02:17No.
01:02:18So I have learned the meaning of respect. That we must be respecting each other. And that word is very
01:02:28valuable.
01:02:29And then I'll give each of you a time for a shout out to your friends and family who are
01:02:35watching.
01:02:37Ako, shout out ko sa akong wife. Si Etienne, hi. Ako mama, Araceli. Huwag mong mga iro. Si Britney, si
01:02:46Stitch, o si Luca.
01:02:49That's how. We're going there.
01:02:53Ah, after this one.
01:02:55Just wait. Langga. And then I don't know if MJ is there. But there are people there waiting with the
01:03:02Rama Foundation.
01:03:03And shout out.
01:03:06Thank you to Sunstar Beyond Headlines. And of course DJ DJ. Our friend and my friend. Long time ago.
01:03:16And still going to be. And looking forward for another. Oh yes.
01:03:23But maybe the third time will be.
01:03:28Mikel, MJ, and Michael.
01:03:32Michael.
01:03:33Ito is good at the political dynasty.
01:03:35Sige. We will have an episode for that.
01:03:39So that you can see already. The presence of Michael, Mikel, MJ. You're looking at the dynasty.
01:03:47By the way, what's the M of MJ? I'm curious.
01:03:49Michael.
01:03:51You try to look at it.
01:03:53I'm around.
01:03:55Michael will be around.
01:03:57MJ will be around.
01:03:59And if you want to include the mother.
01:04:01It's all M, M, M, M, M.
01:04:04Dynasty.
01:04:10You get my point?
01:04:13But I've been very clear on that issue of the dynasty.
01:04:18It's all right.
01:04:19It's all right.
01:04:20It's all right.
01:04:21It's all right.
01:04:24Shout out.
01:04:25Yes.
01:04:26And I'm hoping to have more conversations also with the two of you and eventually the other M's also.
01:04:32So thank you, former Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama and Councillor Mikel Rama for joining us this afternoon.
01:04:40I enjoyed this conversation so much.
01:04:43And then headlines tell us what's happening, but conversations also help us understand why it matters.
01:04:50So we may not vote the same.
01:04:54We may not think the same or agree on every issue.
01:04:58And that's okay.
01:04:59A stronger Cebu is not built by people who always agree.
01:05:03It's built by people who are willing to have meaningful conversations such as this.
01:05:08So I'm DJ Moises.
01:05:10This has been Beyond the Headlines brought to you by Coffee First.
01:05:12Until the next time, let's continue to look deeper and think better.
01:05:16Have a good afternoon.
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