00:00All right, before we get to the Pro Football Hall of Fame discussion,
00:03The Athletic has new power rankings out with training camp getting going.
00:07We're saying, all right, this is where everybody is.
00:09The Dallas Cowboys have a couple of these power rankings,
00:13whenever they come out, they've generally been placed 16 to 18,
00:16roughly is where they've been.
00:18In the last athletic ranking, they were 17 during the summer.
00:21The hype machine has taken over, though.
00:24They have pushed themselves up to number 13 in the National Football League.
00:29Well, I'm glad we have the hype machine here, Zach Wiltruck himself.
00:32Would you put them in the conference title game?
00:34What's that?
00:35Yep, bold prediction, NFC Championship game this year, fellas.
00:37Against who?
00:39Who do you think?
00:41The Eagles?
00:42No, NFC West team.
00:44Oh.
00:44Oh, you just want the 49ers.
00:47Yeah, I do.
00:47Does this camp?
00:48Well, if you're just saying NFC Championship game,
00:50it's probably going to be the Rams beat the Cowboys.
00:53Yeah, but honestly, I could see it being the 49ers.
00:56Oh, you could?
00:57Really?
00:57Does this camp make you feel better about the prediction?
01:01Worse or just same?
01:03No, I feel better about it.
01:04Yeah, I do.
01:05I think the defense looks better than I thought they would, as of right now.
01:08But that's assuming Kobe Durant does not turn into Kyrie Elam,
01:11and he actually is good in the regular season.
01:14Kyrie Elam did not look good in training camp, so...
01:16Yes, he did.
01:17No, he didn't.
01:18We must have watched two different camps.
01:20I think we did, because I did not think he looked good during training camp.
01:23I thought he looked like Kyrie Elam the entire time, which is lost.
01:27But to be fair, you also said that Matty Bufloos was still great like six weeks into the season.
01:31No, I never said that.
01:33My point was proven correct with the fact that we have seven different starters on defense, Bobby.
01:37She can take the L like you did on Stafford.
01:39Hey, no, no, no.
01:40And Guyton.
01:41No.
01:42Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:43No, we keep going back and forth.
01:44Guyton is not a loss.
01:45Shoddy yesterday came back to the podium.
01:48He's like, I didn't want to reiterate, you know, maybe I went too strong in suggesting
01:53that Guyton was the left tackle, and Nate Newton came on y'all's show and talked about
02:00Shoddy maybe fumbling that a little bit.
02:03Like, sell Nate Thomas on the possibility.
02:05You said it was, you were suggesting it was open.
02:08We didn't believe, except for Bobby, that it was open.
02:11And then three days in...
02:13This is where this is like not accurate.
02:15This has been misrepresented the whole time.
02:16I said Guyton was winning the job.
02:18I said that the whole time.
02:19You said it was open.
02:20It was open.
02:21He's taking first team reps out here.
02:22It is open, but you said...
02:24Which is what I said.
02:24But is it really open?
02:25Because he's taking first team reps out here.
02:27But is it really open?
02:28Yes, it was.
02:29He's winning right now.
02:30He's like, he's significantly ahead of him right now.
02:32The discussion was that we said that Guyton was the leader in the clubhouse, right?
02:39It was his job to lose.
02:42It was open.
02:43But still, his job to lose.
02:46This was literally like, this was linguistics disagreement.
02:50This was not like a disagreement over what was happening.
02:52Because it was like you saying that this is like basically like, no, he's got the job.
02:57And he would have to like lose it instead of just, it's open and he's going to win it.
03:02Do you think they came in with 50-50 opportunity?
03:06That's what I'm debating.
03:07They came into the spring with that.
03:09They didn't come into today with it.
03:11He had already done summer practices and gotten ahead.
03:14In the words of the great philosopher, Bobby Heenan.
03:19Bobby the Brain?
03:21He doesn't have to beat you.
03:23You have to beat him.
03:25Let's continue.
03:26I don't want to fight.
03:27No, that wasn't accurate.
03:28So, all right.
03:29The power rankings, they are 13th now.
03:31It says it's probably time for the Cowboys to set in the past three seasons.
03:35Dallas has fielded the league's eighth best offense based on EPA per game while having
03:40a bottom five defense.
03:41Defensive coordinator Christian Parker came over from Philadelphia in the offseason.
03:44And the Cowboys added pass rusher Rashawn Gary via trade, as well as safety Caleb Downs
03:48and defensive lineman Malachi Lawrence with first-round picks.
03:51And we were talking about this earlier.
03:52Malachi Lawrence may be the most anonymous football player out here right now.
03:56Have you noticed him, Zach?
03:57Not much.
03:58No.
03:59Like, I mean, I don't, again, I'm not even kidding.
04:01I don't know if I can remember seeing him on the field during this camp so far.
04:04Yeah, Monday, I think he had one pressure on Shelton.
04:07But I think everybody's getting pressures on Shelton.
04:09It's been one of those things where it's like just even scanning the sideline.
04:13It's like I remember seeing just about everybody on the roster at some point on the field physically.
04:16And it's like maybe he's gone for like bathroom break a couple times and I just haven't noticed him.
04:20Yes, I didn't see him at all.
04:21No.
04:22Like, I have not seen him like physically on the field.
04:25I don't even recall at this point.
04:26All right.
04:26So the Hall of Fame game was on last night.
04:29I know it was driving Fred up a wall as I did the first hour of the fan after dark.
04:33It was driving him up a wall.
04:33How just obsessed Blake was with constant updates about the Hall of Fame game and just
04:39like, oh, my gosh, look at this game.
04:40We're in the fourth quarter.
04:41He's like, Blake, it is the Hall of Fame game.
04:43So what are you asking, man?
04:45Yeah.
04:45So he was getting worked up about that.
04:47But NFL.com has their Pro Football Hall of Fame projections for 2027.
04:53They're modern era predictions.
04:55Now, we know we've been waiting for Darren Woodson, whose time is quickly running out to be a modern era.
05:00In fact, this is this getting close to this may be his last year.
05:03I think this is his last year, his second last year before he then becomes potentially one of the older
05:09enshrinements.
05:10Their predictions for who will be in the Hall of Fame 2027, the modern era.
05:15Willie Anderson, offensive tackle from the Cincinnati Bengals.
05:18Willie!
05:19Rob Gronkowski, tight end from the New England Patriots and Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
05:23No doubt.
05:24Torrey Holt, wide receiver, should have been in there already.
05:26Should have been 10 years ago.
05:27Bobby's guy.
05:28Adrian Peterson, running back for like eight teams, but people only remember one.
05:32My boy.
05:33And then one final submission.
05:36Dallas Cowboy and Las Vegas Raider, tight end Jason.
05:41Oh, baby.
05:42It doesn't matter.
05:44He pulled a rabbit out of his head.
05:46And it's his other notable modern era candidates.
05:48These would be guys left off.
05:49Jari Evans, Frank Gore, Eli Manning.
05:53Ben Roethlisberger, Richard Sherman, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Darren Woodson, and the
05:58eternally disrespected Marshall Yonda.
06:00Gosh.
06:01Okay, so the fact that Gronk's getting in, we talked with Sando about this the other day.
06:06And Sando's, we've gotten into it with him.
06:09Yeah, the brisket Sando.
06:10Because he poo-poos Darren Woodson and the all-time leading tackler with the Cowboys,
06:14which pitched Brian off.
06:16But he said, because Gronk's getting in, are you going to put two tight ends in?
06:20And that could hurt Jason Witten's chances of getting in.
06:23Absolutely.
06:23You wouldn't want to be.
06:25Then you shouldn't put Gronk in above Witten.
06:27Like, Gronk deserves a spot in there.
06:29But, like, if you're talking about he's been retired, like, you have the quick little half
06:33a second that Gronk played.
06:35And then he comes back for, like, one year in Tampa Bay.
06:38And then he's back.
06:39Like, Witten's the one who, like, if you're just talking about higher, the justification
06:42for putting Leroy Butler in before Darren Woodson would apply to Witten.
06:45Okay.
06:46Is Belichick in this cycle?
06:47Yeah, should be.
06:48Oh, wait, no.
06:49Right?
06:50In or on?
06:51It's, uh, the coaches are through a different...
06:54Okay.
06:54That's right, because they want to push to change some rules.
06:57Yeah.
06:57And we don't know if that's going to happen.
06:58I could see Witten waiting a little bit.
07:01I could see it.
07:02People view him as a compiler.
07:03The problem, man, if he starts waiting, all these tight ends numbers are going to...
07:09There's no justification for putting Gates in and then skipping over him.
07:13Gates' numbers, like, it's wild how just mid-Gates' numbers look when you go back and
07:19look, even, like, for the era.
07:20And he got popped, too.
07:22Yeah.
07:23And nobody cares about that.
07:24Nobody cares about it.
07:25Nobody cares about it at all.
07:26Jason Witten, they write up with him, they say, well, two tight ends head into Canton in
07:29the same class.
07:30It's never happened before, but can Witten really be denied again?
07:33In 16 seasons with the Cowboys, 17 in his career, Witten went to 11 Pro Bowls.
07:38Tony Gonzalez's 14 selections are the most for a tight end all time, with Witten and Travis
07:43Kelsey tied for the second most.
07:44So he's been to the Pro Bowl as many times as Kelsey has.
07:47Hey, guys.
07:48What?
07:48Guys, it's Corey back at the station.
07:50Oh, Corey!
07:51Oh!
07:51Oh, because we're all over the place here at 105.3 The Fan.
07:54Just wanted to, in our research yesterday, we did find that two tight ends have never gotten
07:59into the Hall of Fame at the same time.
08:01That is a great point that we read a couple seconds ago, so that's good stuff.
08:06Guys, I just got into the studio and sat down.
08:09I love y'all's show.
08:10I'll keep listening.
08:10Bye.
08:11I love you.
08:12Yeah, but you know what?
08:14That's already raising my blood pressure.
08:17Like, who gives a flying F?
08:19We can't put two in?
08:20Who cares?
08:21It doesn't matter.
08:23I would...
08:23It doesn't matter.
08:24I would not...
08:25It shouldn't matter whatsoever.
08:26If they're good enough, they're good enough.
08:27The only thing I would say, I would not put another quarterback in the same class as
08:32Brady.
08:33Why?
08:34That should be...
08:35His class alone?
08:36Yeah.
08:37Really?
08:37So if Manning and Brady were up at the same time, you would have said Brady deserves it?
08:41No, I would have said Manning deserves it.
08:43I mean, he had a better...
08:44Hey!
08:45I mean, he was a seven-time first-team All-Pro.
08:47Tom had as many as Rich Cannon.
08:49Yeah, a 17...
08:50First-team All-Pro, as long as we stopped in January.
08:52With all due respect, Choppy, that's really stupid.
08:55No, I just...
08:56I think that, like...
08:56Because then you push other people's timelines.
08:58You mess with people's timelines.
09:00You know what?
09:01You're messing with my Hall of Fame induction.
09:02If I...
09:03It's...
09:03You know...
09:04It's so stupid.
09:05How many...
09:05All right, give me the other players that they should have been inducted by themselves
09:08in any other sport.
09:09No, no, no.
09:10Michael by himself?
09:11No one can go on Mike?
09:13No.
09:13No shooting guard can go?
09:15No guards?
09:16Yeah.
09:16Yeah.
09:17All right, shut up.
09:17Just position.
09:18Like, Tom can go in with other people, but, like...
09:21No other quarterback?
09:21No other quarterback.
09:2211 Pro Bowl selections for Witten.
09:25How many Hall of Fame-eligible players with 11 Pro Bowls or more are not in the Hall of
09:30Fame?
09:31Uh, zero.
09:33Yeah, none.
09:34Because there's...
09:34One.
09:35There's Witten.
09:35Okay.
09:36There you go.
09:36The only other ones who are not in the Hall of Fame, Brady, he's not eligible yet.
09:40Trent Williams and Travis Kelsey, who are still playing.
09:42And...
09:43That'd be Kyle Juszczyk.
09:43Kyle Juszczyk, too.
09:45He's got 10.
09:45That would be 10.
09:46He's got 10.
09:47So, again, if he gets one more, he'd be the only...
09:50It's ever happened.
09:51Because there's literally nobody else who plays the position in the NFL anymore.
09:54That's why it's so...
09:54It's so quirky.
09:56Lipke's probably sleeping right over there.
09:58There are...
09:58He's here, okay?
09:59There's literally no one else in the NFL who plays the position anymore, who gets on
10:02the field.
10:03Because Hunter Lipke doesn't get on the field.
10:04Yeah.
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