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With the MLB trade deadline set for 6 p.m. ET, Grant & Danny discuss whether Foster Griffin is Washington's most likely trade chip, what kind of return the Nationals could realistically get, and which other players could be on the move before the deadline passes.

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00:00Mr. Griffin still a Washington National. We are 90 minutes away.
00:03I am still predicting that he gets traded.
00:06I am down to, my peak was 75% that he was going to get dealt.
00:11Today I started at 61%.
00:14I told you about an hour ago I was 51%.
00:17Right now I'm 50.6% sure.
00:20Oh, so you've dropped 0.4%.
00:22Yeah, well, I mean, there's just, where is my news?
00:24I would say that I'm still probably like 60, 65% sure,
00:28and this is kind of on par for what I was expecting.
00:31It would be very surprising if he's not traded.
00:34Yeah, this kind of feels on par to me where this is one of those that
00:38you're clearly not getting the package that you're looking for,
00:41and so you're going to ride this one out and wait for a team to hopefully get desperate.
00:45Think about some of the trades that got done just at the end.
00:48Talking to Mike Rizzo for years, talking about some of the different trades
00:52that he got done right at the buzzer.
00:54The Lane Thomas for John Lester deal was one that got done right at the buzzer.
00:58The Dylan Floro for Andres Chaparro deal got done just at the buzzer.
01:03Thank goodness.
01:04Like those sorts of deals.
01:07You know, sometimes if you're not getting exactly what you're looking for now,
01:10those players are a lot different than Foster Griffin.
01:12That's your starting first baseman against lefties.
01:15That is your platoon piece.
01:17Yeah, I mean, where would the Nationals?
01:18Andres Chaparro.
01:19Maybe we need to start a topic on this, Grant.
01:20Where would the Nationals be without the Dylan Floro trade?
01:24Forget the Juan Soto trade.
01:26The Dylan Floro trade set them up.
01:28They got their platoon first baseman.
01:29I've always said that.
01:30It was the deal that changed everything about the organization.
01:35I think they trade Foster Griffin.
01:37And I want to be very careful about what I'm trying to say.
01:40The idea that he hasn't been dealt yet is not really the point.
01:45I want to know what Taboney knows about being able to extend a qualifying offer.
01:51Yeah.
01:51I think that the return for Foster Griffin is way lower than I would have anticipated a week ago.
02:00And a week ago, my point was, well, hold on.
02:03You might be able to do better in the qualifying offer return of a draft pick in the top 60.
02:10So if it's lower than I thought then, then I definitely think you could do better just getting a draft
02:15pick and adding a bunch of pool money in the draft.
02:17What were you thinking a deal for Foster would look like?
02:20Well, it's impossible to know prospects and package.
02:24Sure.
02:24What I thought we were possibly heading toward was, two weeks ago, there was a very real possibility Tarek Skubal
02:32wasn't getting traded.
02:34There was a very real possibility Casey Mize wasn't getting traded.
02:37There was still a lot of people suggesting Kevin Gossman might not even get traded, as crazy as that sounds
02:43now with how things have gone in Toronto.
02:44He's already been dealt.
02:46There are others.
02:47The Cubs have traded for a couple starters.
02:48So, I remember during that Diamondbacks series having a conversation with a buddy who covers baseball nationally.
02:55And their point was, there's a real legitimate shot Foster Griffin is a top three, maybe a top two pitcher
03:02that gets traded at the deadline.
03:04And if that's true, all-star, lefty, the way he's been throwing, you're going to get a really, really good
03:09return.
03:10Someone's bringing him in to be their third starter.
03:12The difference, think about it this way.
03:14If you're trading for a guy who's going to be your game three starter, that means you're also expecting that
03:19guy to potentially pitch in a game seven.
03:21To give up prospects, key pieces, for a rental is difficult.
03:26But if it's a rental that I have pitching in a game three or a game seven, I'm a lot
03:30more willing to part with pieces.
03:32Then, if this is my fourth starter, and he might just be a bulk guy in the playoffs, and he's
03:36not going to be a starter in game seven,
03:38I think we've gotten to a point where, by and large, the team bringing him in is not having him
03:44start a third and a seventh game of the series.
03:47And if that's true, the return has just gone down.
03:50Well, and I think, and this is obviously true, he's more valuable here than he would be in other places.
03:55That's obviously true, universally.
03:57But I think, too, this team values what he brings in terms of results and the way that he does
04:04it than probably any other team around Major League Baseball.
04:07And what I mean by that is, you sign this guy for next to nothing, $5.5 million to come
04:11back from Japan,
04:13and for a guy that's costing $5 million, I don't care how he gets outs, Grant.
04:18I really don't.
04:19If you have to do whatever...
04:20Baseball disagrees with you.
04:21I'm just, no, I'm saying for $5 million, whatever.
04:24But when I'm trading a prospect, and now I have to bring this guy in, well, I need you to
04:28throw $96.
04:29I need you to throw $97.
04:30And so, I'm not arguing with the results here.
04:32There's no way you can.
04:33You look at what he's done here.
04:34But, for the Nationals, I'm willing to give you that $5 million contract, and you throw junk balls up there,
04:39and I don't care.
04:41He took a flyer, and it worked beautifully.
04:43But the second I start to trade good prospects for this guy, if I have a guy throw a 92
04:48-mile-an-hour cutters and he gets crushed,
04:50people are going to look at me like, well, what did you think was going to happen?
04:52Versus if a guy throwing 97 starts getting crushed.
04:55Yes.
04:56Totally true.
04:58And the rental element of this is massive.
05:01People were completely wrong, and I think that the outrage over what the Tigers got back for Tarek Skubel was
05:07laughable.
05:09People, I hate to be this guy.
05:10Well, I'm not even going to be that guy.
05:11I'll just say, I think a lot of people expected the Tigers to do better than they did,
05:16who, A, just heard that it was going to be a crazy return and don't really follow it that closely.
05:22And then, B, a lot of people had hot takes on the prospects coming back who have no idea anything
05:27about those guys.
05:28They'd never heard of them until 10 minutes, you know, after the trade or whatever.
05:32I think the Tigers actually did really well in the Skubel return, but my point is still,
05:37Tarek Skubel's maybe the greatest rental starting pitcher who's ever been traded.
05:42Yes.
05:43And while I think it was a good return, it was lambasted nationally for not having been enough.
05:49Again, I think that's flawed.
05:51That's Tarek Skubel, man.
05:53That's the last two years Cy Young Award winner who, if he was healthy, would have won a third one
05:57maybe this year.
05:58It was just as good this year.
05:59So now I'm talking about a guy who throws seven pitches, who's trying to, you know,
06:04basically it's guts, guile, and pitch ability.
06:07And you think after all of the moves that have been made, I'm flipping him and I'm going to get
06:11a marquee prospect.
06:12Like, I already can see this happening.
06:14They're going to trade him.
06:15Hopefully they get, I'm hoping for, realistically, two arms back.
06:19Like, someone who's maybe close to big league ready, bullpen, something like that.
06:23And then this would be the deal where I would want a higher ceiling lottery ticket, younger starting pitcher.
06:28Maybe it's someone in single A, A-plus ball, in the, you know, 19 to 21-year-old range.
06:34Or you add a legitimate pitching prospect.
06:37But if they can get two players back, including a decent arm in any Foster Griffin deal, I'll be really
06:42happy.
06:43But if people think that the return was light for Luis Garcia, I mean, wait until you see what happens
06:50with Foster Griffin.
06:50Yeah, exactly.
06:51And that's why I think the qualifying offer, going back to that, I think informs a lot.
06:56If they feel like they can, if they know for a fact from ownership that they can do that,
07:01then maybe an offer never reaches the level at which they feel like it's worth taking.
07:06And then they just pitch it out and then they have him for next season with the qualifying offer.
07:11Or he declines it, goes somewhere, and you get your compensation pick, and that's your way of getting something in
07:15return.
07:15But if they don't know that, that's where it becomes tough, where if I don't know that I can do
07:19that,
07:19maybe I just take whatever the best offer is.
07:21And that offer is probably going to be something that Nats fans balk at.
07:25But that's the interesting part of this, is what do they make of the qualifying offer
07:31and what they can do with that next season?
07:33Because the other part, too, is, you've discussed this as well,
07:36maybe Paul Ciboni doesn't want to use his, whatever his budget is next season,
07:40who knows if it's $20 million, who knows if it's $30 million, who knows what it is in free agency.
07:43But do you really want to use $22 million of it on Foster Griffin?
07:46I think there's definitely an argument to be made that that would be a worthwhile spending of money.
07:51But if $22 million of your $30 million budget is spent on one guy,
07:55would you rather go sign three pitchers for that, four pitchers and someone else for that?
08:00Like, that's a real conversation to be had as well.
08:02All right, so I think he gets traded before 6 p.m. in an hour and 20 minutes.
08:07You do, too.
08:08Yeah.
08:08What team do you think he gets traded to?
08:11I've been joking saying the White Sox time and time again, but that would not shock me at all.
08:16That would make sense.
08:16It feels Atlanta Braves-y to me.
08:19I'm thinking Braves or the other team, I don't know why I can't shake.
08:23The White Sox is a good one.
08:24Astros keeps kind of popping up in my head as a team that I think would make some sense.
08:29Now, give me one other name of a player that could get traded between now and 6 o'clock,
08:34other than Foster Griffin, that you don't think is a crazy thing to throw out there.
08:37Yeah, we've thrown Jacob Young out plenty, so I think that could be one.
08:41I'm trying to think of some other names, and it gets a little bit wild with some of it,
08:47so I think I'll just stick with JY because I don't see some of the other ones.
08:51I guess when you trade Curtis Meade, I think it wouldn't have been crazy for Brady House to have been
08:56traded,
08:56but I don't think you trade both Brady House and Curtis Meade.
09:00So I'll just stick with JY.
09:02Makes sense.
09:04I'll say, I mean, there's no reason to think this.
09:07I haven't heard it, but I'm just throwing something out there.
09:10Nassim Nunez.
09:11Nassim Nunez is an elite defender.
09:13He is an elite runner.
09:16He's got, I think, eight or nine more steals than anyone else in baseball.
09:19He can play short.
09:20He can play second.
09:21He can play third.
09:22He hasn't done it a lot.
09:23All at a well above average level,
09:25and he's the number one base stealer in the sport who can fly.
09:27For a championship team that wants just a really good role, bench player,
09:31I think he has immense value.
09:33Now, if I'm the Nats, I'm not trying to trade Nassim Nunez
09:36because I actually think he can help me pretty extensively over the next couple of years,
09:40but they weren't trying to trade Curtis Meade either.
09:42If I am a projected 93 to 97 win team,
09:46that is the kind of guy I would want on my bench badly,
09:49and I would give up a solid minor league player for the control that you get for Nassim Nunez,
09:55who has proven this year he's never going to be a great offensive player.
09:58He doesn't have power.
09:59He's not going to slug, none of that,
10:00but he can play multiple spots at a plus level.
10:03He can be an elite gold glove caliber shortstop,
10:07and the guy's on a 50 steal pace.
10:09Like, he can run.
10:11He has three super plus traits.
10:13His arm is ridiculous.
10:14His glove is really good,
10:15and his ability to steal bases.
10:18That's hard to find.
10:19It's like 370 grade tools.
10:20Yeah.
10:21No, I think it would be interesting,
10:22and I don't know what his value would be because he's another one.
10:24If they don't feel like they have a guy that's going to be an impact guy long term
10:28and someone that maybe is just going to be a bench piece
10:30and you can get back someone that you can add into the system,
10:33I think it would be totally worth it.
10:34For, like, Nass, I think long term,
10:37they've got some infielders that probably take his spot.
10:40I mean, namely, I would expect him to be playing shortstop when CJ is dealt
10:43or if CJ is dealt, not talking about the deadline,
10:45but in the offseason.
10:47If that's the case, Eli Willits,
10:49that's his spot long term in a couple of seasons
10:51or maybe at the end of next year.
10:52Well, if you traded Nassim today in a package
10:55where someone offers you a couple minor leaguers
10:57that you like at the low levels or whatever,
10:59because he's controllable through 2031,
11:01and again, that's why I would keep him around.
11:03Yeah.
11:03He's got a ton of value for the Nats, too.
11:05But in a world where you did that,
11:06like, second base is now open for a Seaver King
11:09to come up and play down the stretch of this season.
11:12So you get a good long runway to look at House, King, Abimelech, Ortiz.
11:17I mean, that's kind of the Rochester Red Wings lineup.
11:19It is.
11:19Of about a month ago.
11:20And we're trending in that direction
11:22after they got swept by the Atlanta Braves over four games.
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