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00:00Oh, it's a Friday. We've got two practices under our belt.
00:06Owen decided to play Munkin talking about Shador.
00:09Will the Deshaun Watson, part of things, will they take issue with that?
00:15That was not about Shador at all. That was about Deion.
00:18About Shador's personality?
00:21I heard him talking about Shador's personality in that club.
00:24That was an opportunity to talk to Deion.
00:25What about Deshaun Watson and his extended family?
00:28I don't know what Deion's dad is doing right now.
00:31Coach Lance Reisland is in. What's going on?
00:33Good morning. Great to have you.
00:36You've been there at camp both days watching every single rep.
00:41You've been taking copious notes.
00:44Your voice has been heard on the warm-up show on the way in today.
00:48Jeff Thomas had some of that.
00:50It's always great this time around to have a legitimate football person to talk to.
00:56Since Ken is not here, his football legitimacy has been spent pouring over his installs with his youth football team.
01:05So, I'll rely on you. I'll lean on you today.
01:08I don't know if you're as into the offensive line as Ken is.
01:10Oh, I love the offensive line. That's where I'm at every day.
01:12Well, what don't you love? Special teams? You love special teams?
01:15You've got to have them. Love special teams, too.
01:17I have them.
01:18You've got to have them.
01:19That's a good point.
01:20I mean, seriously, it's one of those things.
01:22It should always be a push in the NFL.
01:25You should never know about them. That's when they're okay.
01:27You either win them or it's got to be a push. That's it.
01:30See, now, Jim Trestle, he would say the punt is the most important play in football.
01:35There's two plays you can lose a game on special teams.
01:37Punt and kickoff return.
01:39So, there's where you're...
01:40I'm taking notes now.
01:41That's where you've got to put your studs if you're struggling.
01:43Do you want to go full nitty-gritty on that?
01:45I mean, we can. We have time. We've got four hours today.
01:47Whatever you... I'll go as nitty-gritty as you want.
01:49Camp started. Life is good. Christmas morning came and gone.
01:52It's fun now.
01:53I mean, Munkin's spending time on special teams, right?
01:56Like, you're seeing...
01:56Oh, it's more than I've seen in my time down there.
01:59It is...
01:59More than Stefanski?
02:01A lot more than Stefanski.
02:02All right, forget. We've been doing this all wrong.
02:04We have been analyzing quarterback versus quarterback.
02:07No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
02:08We've got to go training camp practice for Munkin versus training camp practice
02:14for Kevin Stefanski.
02:15Let our brethren know down in Atlanta...
02:18Of course.
02:19...shots have been fired from up north.
02:20On them all.
02:21On the shores of Lake Derry.
02:22Different. Not better. Different so far.
02:24Different. Okay, tell us. Tell us what's different.
02:26This is great.
02:27The thing that I like...
02:28Right into it.
02:28The thing I like about special teams, there's pretty much...
02:30Over the course of the summer and the spring,
02:32now you're into kind of the rhythm of practice.
02:33They do... It's very similar to Kevin's practice starts, right?
02:36You're an individual with your position coach.
02:38You go to group work, so quarterbacks work with the backs,
02:40and then they work with the tight ends receivers.
02:42That's universal for all coaches.
02:44Then he gets into a lot of 11-on-11, a walkthrough.
02:47So they're either blowing the whistle quick,
02:49or they're installing, again, against coaches.
02:53Very, very simple.
02:54Then they get into a highly competitive 11-on-11,
02:57and then they get into a special teams section.
03:00Now, what makes it different is it's not just a punt team.
03:03So early in practice... This is throughout practice.
03:05Sometimes they'll do an individual part of punt,
03:07where everybody's in an individual, the upbacks, the linemen, whatever.
03:12So they're breaking it down individually.
03:13Then they'll do stations later on in practice
03:15where they're doing... Keeping everything in front.
03:18Fundamentals, right?
03:19Because for me, special teams are all about
03:21getting your know-what lined up
03:22and playing with your hair on fire.
03:24And that has to be done making it important.
03:27And how do you make it important?
03:28You make it important by doing it all practice.
03:30Then they break it down, so they do it individually.
03:32And then yesterday, like for example,
03:33they did everything, extra point field goal.
03:36I think they're making it important.
03:38They're breaking it down.
03:40And they're stressing.
03:41You can't always win offense.
03:43You can't always win defense.
03:44You can always win special teams if you work at it.
03:47All right.
03:47Well, that's exactly why every high school coach
03:50on their way in today.
03:51When do practices start?
03:52Have they begun already?
03:53They should be.
03:53Yeah, those guys are rocking and rolling right now.
03:54Yeah, absolutely.
03:55I hope every single one of them,
03:56maybe they're on their way to the weight room
03:58early on in the morning.
03:59I hope they're listening to you
04:02convey exactly how a professional operation
04:04needs to be run.
04:06Because that's the hope, right?
04:07I mean, look, Kevin,
04:09Kevin was a professional operation.
04:10And it's why they got off to the rip,
04:12roar and start that they were able to get off to.
04:15There was some coach of the years behind that.
04:17A couple of playoff berths.
04:18But in the end, like everything,
04:20everything always comes to an end.
04:22So now you make the transition
04:24into a new head coach.
04:26And so far, you're saying overall,
04:29I know you gave us a glimpse of special teams,
04:31but you're liking what you're seeing.
04:33Yeah, this is old school stuff.
04:35So you're not getting like,
04:36if you look at the last couple of years,
04:37which again, it's not wrong.
04:38It's different.
04:39And everybody does it their own way.
04:40But there's an old school vibe to how this goes.
04:42So, you know, old school coaches
04:45kind of reminds me of my father out there.
04:47Play football is 11 on 11.
04:48They do a ton of 11 on 11 stuff.
04:50They don't do stuff on air very rare.
04:52Why?
04:53Because you don't play football on air.
04:54They don't do stuff on bags
04:55as much as some coaches do.
04:56They're working on people.
04:58And what I mean by that is
04:59if they're blocking,
04:59they're working somebody holding a bag
05:02or even if they're doing skelly
05:03and the defense is on the other field,
05:05which is seven on seven, right?
05:07So even if they're doing that,
05:09there's always people standing there.
05:10There's a very old school vibe
05:12where it all leads up to 11 on 11,
05:14even yesterday.
05:15And they're grinding, right?
05:16So when you think practice is over,
05:18they're into another session.
05:19They're going to work hard.
05:21They're going to be, you know,
05:22they're going to be physical
05:22in their individual drills.
05:24They're going to be physical in group.
05:25This is a much more contact-based
05:28old school vibe to it.
05:29There's a lot of grit.
05:30They're staying out there the full time.
05:32These guys are going to be pushed.
05:33I can't wait till pads get on
05:34because that's when you can truly evaluate
05:35the offense and defensive lines.
05:37But this has been a,
05:39first couple of days have been very
05:41kind of rewarding
05:42if you're an old school guy.
05:43This is a team that should be ready.
05:46You think about the slow starts
05:47the Browns have had,
05:48games and seasons.
05:49This should eliminate.
05:49It doesn't mean they're going to win.
05:50It should help with the slow starts.
05:52Ken's going to hear this.
05:53I wouldn't be surprised if Ken is driving
05:5590 miles an hour to get to the studio
05:57right now to hug Coach Risley
05:59because this is exactly the type of show
06:02Ken wants this to be a hard-nosed
06:03old school show.
06:05He wants the team to be hard-nosed.
06:07He wants the city to be hard-nosed old school.
06:09He always says no days off
06:12unless it's the week off that he took.
06:14But again, it's for football reasons.
06:16At least that's what we were told.
06:17All right, very good.
06:18Well, that's a great way
06:19to launch us into today.
06:20We got Daryl Ryder at 820.
06:22We got Nathan Zagura at 9 o'clock.
06:24We got your Lake Erie Crusher's tickets
06:25in the 8 o'clock hour.
06:26Your Fan Cash Fridays later at 9 o'clock.
06:28A whole bunch to get into today.
06:31But the GM, Andrew Barry,
06:33got a chance to talk.
06:34You know, we were having a conversation
06:36yesterday.
06:37Padone was in and we were like,
06:39oh, you know,
06:40how is the season going to go?
06:42When are we going to hear from Andrew Barry?
06:44Last year, didn't really hear from him
06:46in the middle of the year
06:47as things were going sideways.
06:48But yesterday in camp,
06:50we heard from Andrew Barry
06:51and he, of course,
06:53was asked the big question
06:55about how the QBs are doing
06:57and when is a starter going to be named?
07:00It's important to have the quarterback
07:02starter named for the joint practice.
07:05I think it's important to have
07:06the starting quarterback name
07:07before week one.
07:08Great.
07:09That's a good start.
07:10Now, some,
07:11I've heard some coaches say
07:12week three, week five, week seven.
07:15So week one,
07:16Coach, you're on board with that?
07:18You know, I am.
07:19And here's why.
07:19Because they are,
07:22it is a true competition.
07:23These guys have rotated.
07:24These guys,
07:25you know,
07:26once again,
07:26the quarterback tracker
07:28and everybody asking me
07:29who won day one,
07:30who won day two.
07:31There's got to be context to it
07:32because I can,
07:33we'll talk.
07:33No, no, no, no.
07:34Who won?
07:35Who won?
07:35We'll talk about.
07:36I'm asking who won.
07:38I'm not asking.
07:39Kalen Green and Dylan Gabriel yesterday.
07:40Oh, come on.
07:40See, this is.
07:41Well, I mean,
07:42you got to have the context
07:43and then I will give you
07:45the correct.
07:45This is what he's going to do.
07:47Talen Green won day one
07:49and day two.
07:49Talen Gabriel and Talen Green
07:50were outstanding.
07:50But once again,
07:51that's why context matters.
07:52You got to be able to talk about
07:54when they're doing things,
07:55who they're playing against,
07:56the installs that are in,
07:57passes that are being thrown,
07:59defense, et cetera.
08:00So,
08:01yeah,
08:01I think it's okay
08:02because these guys are competing.
08:03And yesterday was one of those days
08:05where learning,
08:06everybody hates it.
08:07But yesterday was a day for me.
08:08I loved it for the quarterbacks
08:10because Shador Sanders got
08:11and Casey Concepcion
08:13got to work against
08:15Denzel Ward
08:15and Tyson Campbell.
08:17Amazing opportunity.
08:18And so,
08:19I think about one route
08:20in my head right now
08:21where Casey was covered
08:22and he's never been covered
08:24on a comeback route
08:24in his whole life.
08:25And Shador has always been able
08:27to throw that.
08:27And then they learned,
08:28hey,
08:28that's a great teaching moment.
08:29It was an incompletion.
08:30It's another level.
08:31Yeah.
08:31But for me,
08:32it's one of those things
08:33they learned.
08:33So,
08:33that's an incompletion
08:34for people.
08:35That was a terrible throw.
08:37For me,
08:37that was,
08:38okay,
08:39if I'm going against a guy
08:40like Denzel Ward,
08:41my route better be good.
08:42I better be on time
08:43with the football.
08:43I think it was the correct read
08:45because Ward was soft.
08:46He's just really good
08:47and closes a lot of ground.
08:48So,
08:48I think yesterday
08:49was a great learning experience.
08:51And for me,
08:52the true evaluation
08:53comes in Buffalo
08:54when Buffalo gets up here
08:55for the joint practice
08:57and when they get to camp.
08:58And I think these guys
08:59are going to play
08:59in the preseason.
09:00And I think these,
09:01when pads go on,
09:02there's going to be
09:02some highly competitive
09:0311-on-11s.
09:04You're going to get a feel.
09:05You're going to know
09:06somebody's going to
09:06separate themselves
09:07between these two.
09:08But all these guys
09:09are getting better,
09:10which is a credit
09:11to their coaches
09:11and to them.
09:12Like I said,
09:13there's no reason
09:14not to be optimistic
09:15right now.
09:16Really,
09:16there's not.
09:16They're working very hard
09:18and they got some pieces
09:18on both sides of the ball.
09:19And was he taking shots
09:21at our show yesterday?
09:22Is that what that was?
09:24I think coach
09:24is just analyzing
09:25what he's seeing
09:26and letting us know.
09:28Thank you, Owen.
09:29That's exactly where I'm headed.
09:30You caught what he said there,
09:31though.
09:31He said there's no reason
09:32not to be optimistic.
09:34And yesterday was considered
09:36a bit of a pessimistic day.
09:39A bit.
09:40A bit, yeah.
09:41Well, if you look at it,
09:42you know, once again,
09:43I agree with you guys.
09:44If you look at,
09:44if you always go back to,
09:46that's why I love coaching
09:47because everything,
09:48so they've been bad
09:49since 99.
09:50And when people say,
09:51oh, this is the same old Browns,
09:53I just don't care.
09:54That has nothing to do
09:55with practice today.
09:56And that's what I love
09:57about football.
09:57You're right.
09:58Everything,
09:59people's thoughts aren't wrong.
10:00It just doesn't matter.
10:01Hopefully to a coach,
10:02it just doesn't matter
10:03when you get there today
10:05because that's what
10:06you can control today.
10:07And that's what I'm seeing
10:08out of these guys.
10:08There's no like anticipation
10:11of being bad.
10:12You know,
10:12when you hear Munkin talk,
10:13Munkin in the course of
10:14five minutes said winning
10:16four times.
10:16I counted yesterday
10:17during a press conference.
10:18That's good.
10:19He didn't say tanking.
10:20He said winning.
10:21Are you sure you heard that right?
10:23There's no rebuilding.
10:24There's no tank.
10:25Now, once again,
10:26I also agree
10:27because I'm in my own tunnel.
10:29You got to think
10:29about their future.
10:30That's why these things
10:31got to be collaborative.
10:32But for me,
10:33I'm winning week one.
10:34So don't trade Denzel Ward
10:36because I need him.
10:37But if you're saying
10:37we can get three picks,
10:39we're still going to be good.
10:39And I think they've balanced
10:40that pretty well,
10:41even though I didn't want
10:42to get rid of Miles.
10:43They're thinking about winning.
10:45And if you hear Munkin talk,
10:47you can't tell me
10:48he doesn't think about winning.
10:49Those guys have said winning
10:50in all their press conferences.
10:52I absolutely love
10:53what you said about,
10:55hey,
10:55the first time
10:56Casey Concepcion
10:57looks and says,
10:58oh boy,
10:59it's not just
11:00use my speed
11:01and athleticism.
11:02Like,
11:03this is a different level.
11:04And to see that
11:05around the board,
11:06there's so many young guys
11:07on this team.
11:08It is one of the reasons
11:10why even me,
11:11who's thinking big picture
11:13and it's just
11:15the next sentence
11:15out of my mouth
11:16after Miles Garrett
11:17is,
11:17oh,
11:17when's Denzel Ward
11:18getting traded?
11:19But then you just gave
11:20a legitimate reason on,
11:22yeah,
11:22but then Casey's
11:23going into camp
11:24and he's not going up
11:25against Denzel Ward.
11:26And you're looking around
11:27going,
11:28well,
11:28what veterans do we have
11:30on this roster?
11:31Well,
11:31if you look at,
11:32like,
11:32for example,
11:32yesterday,
11:33they were running
11:33ones and twos
11:34and sometimes,
11:35well,
11:35how do you get a feel?
11:36How do you judge these guys?
11:37Well,
11:37I was watching yesterday
11:38and when they're working
11:39with the twos right now,
11:40well,
11:40the two receivers
11:41are Casey Concepcion
11:42right now
11:43and Denzel Boston.
11:44Right now.
11:45Right now.
11:45I'm saying though,
11:46even,
11:46so whether it's
11:48the top two guys
11:49or the next two guys,
11:50like,
11:50Sed Tillman has made plays
11:52in the NFL.
11:53Isaiah Bond has made plays
11:54in the NFL.
11:55Jamari Thrash has had a good camp.
11:56So you're able to evaluate
11:58a quarterback
11:59even if he's not running
12:00with the ones.
12:00So let's say Casey
12:01and Denzel won.
12:03Well,
12:03then you're working
12:03with Jerry Judy.
12:04Then you're working
12:05with Isaiah Bond.
12:06So you're able
12:06to evaluate players
12:08because you're stacking
12:09the roster.
12:10You're getting talent.
12:11Talent wins.
12:11If you're trying
12:12to evaluate people,
12:13you've got to have players
12:14at all positions
12:14so they can get a look.
12:16So Casey,
12:16he wasn't out,
12:17he didn't look outclassed.
12:19He didn't look like
12:19he couldn't compete.
12:20He just looked like,
12:21oh,
12:22this is the NFL.
12:22Yeah.
12:23Now I got to,
12:23I got to make sure
12:24my route is on point.
12:25I got a quarterback.
12:26Shador has to go.
12:27You know what?
12:27I got to,
12:28I got to make sure
12:29I'm on time.
12:30Shador did.
12:30He threw the ball three,
12:31threw the ball away
12:32three times yesterday.
12:34Those are incompletions.
12:35They were good plays.
12:35That's it.
12:36That could save the day
12:37and incompletion
12:38can absolutely save the day.
12:40Then he threw a ball
12:41that he threw a great ball
12:42to Harold Fannin
12:43that Harold Fannin
12:43dropped on the sideline.
12:45That's an incompletion.
12:46Well,
12:46again,
12:46now you say to Harold Fannin,
12:47you got to make that catch
12:48which you will.
12:49That's why the completions
12:50have to be looked
12:51within context
12:52because of who
12:52they're going against.
12:54The offense with Shador
12:55yesterday had a really tough day
12:56because the defense
12:57was really good.
12:58That's why he had a tough day.
12:59It wasn't all on him.
13:00It's a team game.
13:01They've kind of flipped
13:02one's the first day
13:03with one,
13:04one's the second day.
13:05Yeah,
13:06so they're getting equal reps
13:07with everybody
13:07and everybody's kind of seeing,
13:08you know,
13:09you're seeing Denzel Ward.
13:10You're seeing,
13:11you know,
13:12that secondary yesterday
13:14locked that offense up.
13:15That was just the reality of it.
13:17That doesn't mean
13:17it'll happen every day.
13:18That means they go
13:18and watch some film
13:19and say,
13:19we got to be better
13:20because these guys are good.
13:21That's how you get better.
13:22That is,
13:23it is interesting
13:23when you,
13:25when you pose the question
13:26to Browns fans,
13:26when you hear,
13:27because somebody's winning every day.
13:29At least that's the hope.
13:30Somebody is winning every day
13:31and when you're hearing,
13:33hey,
13:34that's secondary
13:34clamp down the receivers,
13:36you could do glass half empty on that.
13:38You could do glass half full.
13:40That's just a reality of camp
13:41and that's why
13:41you want to see this thing progress.
13:43You want to see them
13:44get into 11 on 11s
13:45and get serious
13:45and then eventually
13:46your joint practices
13:47where we're all unified,
13:49right?
13:49We get to turn our nastiness
13:50against another team
13:51not just seeing the same guys
13:53every year.
13:54Andrew Barry
13:55pressed a little bit
13:56on how the QB competition
13:57is going.
13:58We know last year,
14:00I think we'd all say,
14:01fair,
14:02the term unfair,
14:04ridiculous,
14:07poorly planned.
14:10Poorly named.
14:11I still don't get
14:12what last year was.
14:13It seemed like
14:13there were dueling competitions.
14:16Lance Reisland
14:16is in studio.
14:17He's been at practice.
14:18He was at all the practices
14:19last year.
14:22Comparing,
14:22no two scenarios
14:24are going to be the same,
14:25but the fact that
14:26they had four guys
14:27they wanted to
14:28ultimately take a look at
14:30last year,
14:30that was weird.
14:32That was bizarre to me.
14:33This year,
14:34it seems
14:35a little bit
14:37more well-rooted in,
14:40hey,
14:40it's one or the other.
14:41Who's going to be
14:42the starting quarterback
14:42by week one?
14:43The thing that I would say
14:45is that I never understood
14:47the angle of fair.
14:49These guys are getting
14:50paid a lot of money.
14:51It's not fair.
14:52Yesterday,
14:53you saw opportunities.
14:54Munkin comes out
14:55and says,
14:56hey,
14:56this guy's going to get
14:5655%.
14:57This guy's going to get
14:5830%.
14:58This guy's going to get
14:5917%.
14:59He has all these numbers.
15:01Well,
15:01if you're only getting
15:02five to seven snaps,
15:03then you better maximize
15:04those snaps.
15:05Fair is just something
15:06that football,
15:06this isn't high school
15:08football.
15:09This is the idea.
15:10These guys,
15:10it's a job.
15:11When you're on the field,
15:12you have to produce.
15:14Last year,
15:15I went to Philadelphia.
15:16I was there for the
15:17joint practice.
15:18Joe Flacco should have
15:19been the starter.
15:20Joe Flacco was the
15:21best quarterback after
15:22the joint practice in
15:24Philly,
15:24and it wasn't close.
15:25Right.
15:26I'd wager to say it's
15:27still probably not close.
15:29Joe Flacco was here
15:30today.
15:31He's probably the best
15:32quarterback,
15:32right?
15:33For me,
15:34people were like,
15:35it wasn't fair.
15:36Now,
15:37I thought it was unfair
15:38to Joe Flacco to say,
15:39well,
15:40you don't need the reps,
15:41you're a veteran.
15:41It's a new season.
15:42You need all those reps.
15:43So I think just the...
15:44I got caught up in that.
15:45I'll be honest.
15:46I probably said that.
15:47I'm like,
15:48hey,
15:48that's great.
15:48You have a veteran here.
15:49You got to get the reps.
15:50You got to have...
15:51That's what's crazy
15:52about Joe Flacco is you
15:53trade him midweek to
15:54Cincinnati,
15:54and then he starts and
15:56puts on a show,
15:57you know,
15:58fairly quickly.
15:59You know,
15:59Phillip Rivers,
16:01you know,
16:01the veteran comes in.
16:03Was it last year
16:03or the year before?
16:04I go,
16:05my years are kidding me.
16:06It was last year
16:07after how many years
16:08on the beach?
16:09Four years off.
16:09Yeah,
16:09he just shows up
16:10and,
16:11you know,
16:11was he great?
16:12No.
16:13But was he still better,
16:15like,
16:16markedly than anything
16:16they had had?
16:17Yes.
16:17He has two grandkids.
16:18Well,
16:19I will say this.
16:20So when you look at those
16:21two quarters,
16:21that's a great,
16:22great,
16:23and now here's why.
16:24Because first of all,
16:25they had their personnel
16:25is better on offense
16:26on those two teams.
16:28Secondly,
16:28in football,
16:29there's a lot,
16:29there's a lot to do
16:30with like all the
16:31different concepts
16:32and all that.
16:33They're really,
16:34if you think about
16:34like a pass game,
16:35there's a high and a low.
16:37There's an in,
16:37there's an out.
16:38So at every level
16:39of football,
16:40there's certain plays.
16:41That's why you can go in
16:42and you can say,
16:43hey,
16:43we're running a smash concept
16:44or we're running mesh
16:45or we're running these plays
16:47that we all run
16:47at every level.
16:49It's name different,
16:50but it's the same stuff.
16:51So when people,
16:51it's like,
16:51here's a great example.
16:52It's like Deshaun Watson.
16:53Why would he be leading?
16:54He's been in the league 10 years
16:55and it's a new offense
16:56and he probably understands
16:57the concepts
16:57a little bit more than Shador
16:58before they even get on the field.
17:00By default.
17:01That's a great thing.
17:02So like those quarterbacks
17:03coming in
17:03and having success,
17:05well,
17:05first of all,
17:05Flacco's flinging it up
17:06to Jamar Chase
17:07and Higgins
17:08and that tells you
17:09it's a team sport.
17:10There's also,
17:11you know,
17:12when these guys are brought in,
17:13they're saying,
17:13all right,
17:14here's the concepts
17:14we all know.
17:15Here's what we call them,
17:17right?
17:17You know what a corner route is.
17:19You know what a curl is.
17:20Here's how we call it.
17:22We've read curl flat.
17:23We've read smash.
17:24We've done this our whole lives.
17:26That's why they can have success
17:27even coming off retirement,
17:29coming off being traded quickly.
17:32Because once again,
17:33football,
17:33coaching,
17:34I don't want to say coaching
17:34is never overrated.
17:36The best coaches
17:37have the best players.
17:38That's the reality of it.
17:39I got to say,
17:40after what I saw last year
17:41out of Phillip Rivers,
17:42I think every Hall of Fame quarterback
17:44or borderline Hall of Fame quarterback,
17:46they should have to do
17:47what Phillip Rivers did
17:48just so we can see,
17:49just to settle arguments at the bar.
17:51Like,
17:52could Tom Brady at 50
17:53still go out there
17:55and play competitive football?
17:56I think he probably could.
17:58I think they should all have to come.
17:59You know,
18:00Ben Roethlisberger
18:00is the one I really want to see.
18:02Because Big Ben
18:03was looking horrendous
18:04towards the end
18:05of his Pittsburgh Steelers.
18:07But he's a Hall of Famer,
18:09though.
18:10Like,
18:10Rivers is on the line,
18:12right?
18:12Is he in or is he out?
18:14Coming back,
18:14I was always,
18:15he's an out guy.
18:16Yeah.
18:17Did he play his way back in?
18:18He kind of put his way in.
18:19Well,
18:19if you say,
18:20he's just...
18:20Like,
18:20Eli needs to go
18:21and throw in six games
18:23for the Giants
18:24or whatever,
18:24just for...
18:25Amazing.
18:25Well,
18:25Eli could probably go
18:26on another playoff tear.
18:28That was what he was known for.
18:30He had a,
18:30you know,
18:31good NFL career
18:32and then two playoff runs.
18:34He played like the New York Knicks
18:36did last year.
18:37Like,
18:37went on these all-time runs.
18:39Meanwhile,
18:40we put it off enough,
18:4230 minutes,
18:43and I don't want you
18:45to dance around it.
18:46I don't want you to be
18:46worrying about upsetting
18:48the factions of the fan base.
18:51I want you to put down
18:53your computer,
18:54take off the YouTube
18:56comment section,
18:57get off of social media.
18:59And I want you to weigh in.
19:01We've got two practices
19:02under your belt.
19:03Who's the starting quarterback
19:03of the Cleveland Browns?
19:04You got no pads on,
19:06so I'm not getting...
19:06No, no, no, no, no.
19:07Listen, listen.
19:08No, no, no, no, no.
19:09What?
19:09We got to know right now.
19:10Right now before pads.
19:12If you're saying
19:13who's starting week one
19:13after two?
19:14If they said,
19:15Lance,
19:15we screwed up the schedule.
19:17We got a game tomorrow.
19:17We got a game today.
19:18Oh!
19:18We're playing...
19:19I'm playing Deshaun Watson then.
19:21Two days without pads
19:22before it really counts.
19:24Uh-oh.
19:25Yeah,
19:25I'm playing Deshaun Watson
19:26just because of the simple fact...
19:27Signage back up.
19:28Yep.
19:29Put the experience.
19:30Now, that being said,
19:32we'll see what happens
19:33when pads go on.
19:34Those things go up and down.
19:35And you hope that competition
19:36is right going into the season.
19:37And the way that
19:38if Shador is behind,
19:40the way he closes the gap
19:41is because the argument
19:42I've heard is that
19:43Deshaun doesn't play well
19:44in games,
19:45but he plays well in practice.
19:46Then Shador,
19:47which I've seen now,
19:48then he's got to close
19:49the gap in practice.
19:50So if Deshaun doesn't produce,
19:52you're not playing Shador
19:54because Deshaun is playing,
19:56you know,
19:57not playing great in the game.
19:58You're playing Shador
20:00because he's earned it.
20:01And that's what these,
20:02that's what kind of
20:03where Munkin's at right now
20:04in my opinion.
20:04But if you're asking me
20:05right now,
20:06they start tomorrow,
20:06then I'm going Deshaun Watson.
20:07And I'm going Deshaun Watson
20:09because he has experience.
20:11And that's the reality of it.
20:13Uh,
20:13Owen,
20:14do we have a social media tweet yet?
20:16I mean,
20:17is it out?
20:17Oh,
20:18I will check.
20:18Is the video out yet?
20:20I mean,
20:20you realize this is,
20:21this is going to be aggravated.
20:22Pro Football Talk
20:23is going to come on in there.
20:26Adam Schefter is going to
20:27weigh in on this now.
20:28I mean,
20:28you just said it definitively.
20:30You better be prepared.
20:32The onslaught,
20:33they are going to be coming
20:34your way
20:36after hearing that.
20:37I just want you to be prepared
20:38because I know how this works.
20:39And I want to make sure,
20:40do you have security
20:41out there at camp?
20:43Do you have people
20:44ready to protect you
20:45at all costs?
20:45Well,
20:46I appreciate you putting me
20:46on the block like that.
20:47That was nice.
20:48You're one,
20:48you're one of our assets here.
20:50Absolutely.
20:50So I went back,
20:51I'm watching Homeland,
20:52you know,
20:53like 15 years after the fact
20:54and they couldn't protect
20:55an asset early on.
20:56It holds up.
20:57That show holds up.
20:58I'm excited.
20:58I'm four episodes in,
21:00but I'm worried about you.
21:01I'm concerned.
21:02Oh,
21:02no,
21:02no.
21:03When you,
21:03when you,
21:04my dad,
21:05coach's kid,
21:06coordinator,
21:07head coach,
21:09college quarterback,
21:09I'm,
21:10I'm pretty,
21:10I'm pretty thick.
21:12The skin is thick
21:13at this point,
21:13old and thick.
21:14So it is what it is.
21:15You got to call it
21:16like you see it.
21:16And once again,
21:17I've been,
21:18I've been impressed highly
21:20with all these guys.
21:21And if you ask me who I was
21:22asked this yesterday,
21:23and speaking of,
21:24you know,
21:25everybody,
21:26who's the quarterback?
21:27Well,
21:27if you ask me after yesterday's
21:28practice,
21:28this is why context matter.
21:30Dylan Gabriel and Taylor Green
21:31were the best two quarterbacks
21:32yesterday without question.
21:34Why?
21:35Because of who they played
21:36against and,
21:36and,
21:37and the route of reps they took.
21:38They weren't playing against
21:39Delman's award.
21:40They weren't,
21:41there's context matters
21:42when you're doing these things.
21:43And that being said,
21:44new offense,
21:45new coach,
21:45I'm going with the John Watson
21:46until proven otherwise.
21:47My goal was to win week one,
21:49not to,
21:49not to build towards the future.
21:52That's the GM's job.
21:53I got to win week one.
21:54I haven't been out there,
21:55so I don't know.
21:57What's,
21:57what's the difference?
21:58What's the thing that's setting
22:00the Sean apart right now?
22:01There's not a lot.
22:02That's why the question's
22:03kind of tough because right now
22:04you're not getting enough.
22:06There's not enough live action,
22:08even when they're rushing,
22:09because right now you've guys
22:11been around football.
22:12All right.
22:13So when you're around football
22:14and you have no pads on,
22:15it's hard to pass protect.
22:16It's hard to block Mason Graham
22:18if you can't get into his chest.
22:20And right now they can't
22:20get into his chest
22:21because there's no pads on,
22:23right?
22:23So that means his pass rush,
22:24he's just blowing everything up.
22:26So there's no time
22:27for the quarterbacks.
22:28These young receivers
22:29are going against veterans,
22:31right?
22:32And for me,
22:33that's a great thing.
22:34Now it looks terrible right now,
22:36but I guarantee you
22:37in that film room last night,
22:38Casey and Shador were going,
22:40you know what?
22:40We can do this.
22:41We just got to make sure
22:42we're sharp because I guarantee
22:44you their whole lives,
22:45that's been an automatic,
22:46easy pitch and catch.
22:47So there is not a lot of separation.
22:49I would say the separation
22:51is the same as it was
22:53going into camp
22:53because they haven't done enough
22:54to separate themselves.
22:56There's been no pads on.
22:57And when you have no pads on,
22:59everything,
22:59you know,
23:00football's not played in underwear
23:01and that's what they're doing right now.
23:02The first couple of days
23:03are football in underwear.
23:04My dad always says,
23:04you don't win in underwear.
23:05Yeah,
23:06they tried in underwear league
23:07with the females a few years ago.
23:09Cleveland had a team.
23:10Yeah,
23:10I remember watching,
23:11you know,
23:13substantial highlights of that
23:14while,
23:15while the show was going on.
23:16I might have to pull some
23:17of those up right now.
23:18So I got to see if it,
23:19if it still holds true.
23:20Some of the,
23:21some of my observations
23:22from the,
23:23from those years.
23:23Well,
23:24we'll have those on in the background.
23:25You're right.
23:26It is.
23:27Obviously we're having some fun
23:28because there's no way
23:29Todd Munkin would need
23:31to make a decision now.
23:33And he's looking at
23:34very different things
23:35than we are.
23:36We are not in those meetings.
23:37We're not privy to the command
23:40of the offense.
23:41Are they able to process at all?
23:43Are they able to read?
23:44It's part of this.
23:45Like,
23:45I keep seeing some videos
23:46and I think I've just,
23:48like younger me
23:49would have been all over
23:50these clips,
23:50but there,
23:51there's one clip of Shador
23:52where he doesn't get rid
23:53of the football
23:54and,
23:54and people are like,
23:55dude,
23:56you got to get rid
23:56of the football.
23:57And I'm like,
23:57well,
23:57I don't know.
23:58I don't know what the drill is.
23:59I don't know what the,
24:01the last resort is
24:02or what Munkin is.
24:04We had just maybe whispered
24:05to them before they went
24:06on the field.
24:07This is a yin and the yang.
24:08There's a defense
24:09that you're also trying
24:10to evaluate
24:10on all of these plays.
24:12So I'm not getting it
24:13carried away
24:13with any of that stuff.
24:14And,
24:15and I'm certainly not
24:16going to get carried away
24:17with a couple of highlights
24:18here or there.
24:20Mechanics wise,
24:21like I'm,
24:21I'm hoping both these guys
24:22are getting better.
24:23So the one part of like
24:24the Deshaun Watson,
24:26Hey,
24:26he's got 10 years
24:27with the vocabulary,
24:28the language of an NFL offense.
24:30He's had so many different OCs
24:32and quarterback coaches
24:33come in and come out.
24:34So it stands to reason
24:35that he might be ahead
24:36on that stuff.
24:37But I also think it's,
24:39it's tough for a guy
24:40who's been in the league
24:4110 years to materially change
24:43his fundamentals,
24:43right?
24:44So that's where maybe
24:45Shador might have an edge
24:47is that he has the capacity
24:49to maybe learn something
24:51and adapt quicker
24:52at this stage.
24:52Well,
24:53you know,
24:53and it's a new offense.
24:54So to say that can't happen
24:55with Deshaun,
24:56you know,
24:57I think for him,
24:57it's been more about health
24:58and,
24:59you know,
24:59sometimes when you're not
25:00working on your mechanics,
25:01you get to see it,
25:02what's in front of you
25:02a little better.
25:03But yeah,
25:03the mechanics that you see
25:05out of Shador
25:06have been excellent.
25:07And you brought up
25:07a really good point
25:08because I've had a number
25:09of people reach out to me
25:10and say,
25:10he's holding on
25:11to the ball too long.
25:12There have been number,
25:13a number of drills
25:14that I have heard
25:16the quarterback coaches
25:17and the Munkins say,
25:19extend the play.
25:20Yeah.
25:20Right?
25:21So what they're trying to,
25:21if you look at this
25:22players over plays,
25:23Munkin will tell you,
25:24and I've heard him say
25:25it multiple times,
25:25a lot of this offense
25:26is extending plays,
25:29throwing the ball vertically,
25:30and they have to do
25:31those things.
25:32So when you're seeing
25:33those things now,
25:33it also is a situation.
25:35If it's first down
25:35and 10,
25:36throw the ball away.
25:36If it's third down
25:37and four,
25:38try to make a play.
25:39It's all situational.
25:41Can't look too much
25:42into good or bad.
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