00:00Yeah, I thought it was just interesting looking at the rankings
00:03and seeing, it's like, yeah, Miles is great.
00:07Yeah.
00:07Like, once you get past, like, the top six edge rushers,
00:10it's not like the, you know, seven through ten.
00:13Like, Jared jumping into the top ten is that big of a gap.
00:18It's like T.J. Watt, who is at, like, seven sacks
00:22and I think everybody kind of agrees he's not washed,
00:25but he's not who he was three years ago.
00:27The AFC exec says definitely in decline.
00:28Like, I think it's interesting that he was still put seventh.
00:32I think that was a respect move, was it not?
00:35Yeah, or it is a, it's kind of like just enough people
00:39who haven't paid attention to T.J. Watt voted for him.
00:41I also think Nick Bosa, though, you know what I mean?
00:43That's also kind of a, that's a respect play in there.
00:45There's a lot of guys that have done it and you just kind of,
00:48and the voters clearly acknowledge if he was healthy.
00:51If Nick Bosa was healthy, he's in the top five, he's there.
00:53But we haven't seen him be healthy.
00:55The torn ACL, the second time he's torn his ACL in his career
00:57is going to impact that.
00:59And so...
01:00So that does drive me crazy.
01:02Isn't that fake, though?
01:03What do you mean?
01:04Well, I mean, oh, I'm going to vote for him out of respect.
01:06It's like, he can't see this.
01:08He's not, Nick Bosa's going to be like,
01:10wait, that guy from Seattle didn't vote for me as a top ten?
01:14But I do think enough people care about the rankings
01:16and they care about where they sit in the rankings.
01:18Maybe not necessarily Nick Bosa,
01:19but like, I thought this happened to Denzel Ward.
01:21I mean, we didn't get into Denzel Ward
01:22in the top cornerback stuff.
01:24But Denzel Ward is seventh overall.
01:26If you just took last year,
01:28he wouldn't be the seventh best corner.
01:30Ian, I disagree.
01:31I thought he was actually really good last year.
01:33I just...
01:34I'm sorry, really good.
01:35He wasn't peak Denzel,
01:37but I thought he was still really good.
01:38Yeah, we've disagreed on this.
01:40And that's okay.
01:40That's fine.
01:41Same place.
01:41Trust you with a mess.
01:43I mean, it's just...
01:44There's no other way to...
01:46I thought it was a respect play,
01:47and that's fine.
01:47I'm okay with respect plays.
01:49I think it's interesting that Jared Verse
01:51gets the honorable mention over Trey Hendrickson.
01:53I thought that was nice.
01:54That was a little bit of a...
01:55I don't know.
01:56That's a game-recognizing game moment for Jared Verse.
01:58I think it's interesting.
01:59Like, specific to your question to Ashley about pressure.
02:03Yeah.
02:04I think right now,
02:05because we're excited to get the idea of Jared Verse,
02:08and because I think the Browns
02:10are going to be better than people expect.
02:12Like, and again,
02:13I think they're going to be a 7-9 win team.
02:14I think that's very likely,
02:17probably heavily weighted towards 7,
02:19but I think 7-9 wins
02:21is the wheelhouse of expectations for them,
02:24for me.
02:27I think it's a little easier
02:28to not start thinking about, you know,
02:30how Browns fans are going to feel about Jared.
02:32But yeah,
02:33if we get five games into the season
02:34and the Browns are 1-4
02:35and Jared Verse has no sacks,
02:38I have a feeling that the pressure's going to start
02:40to mount from Browns fans
02:41and the frustration's going to mount from Browns fans.
02:43Yeah.
02:44I don't think he's under zero pressure.
02:45I don't want to get this confused,
02:47but the idea that he had more pressure here
02:49because he's replacing Myles Garrett
02:50than he would have playing on
02:52a really strong defensive line,
02:54but a defensive line with Super Bowl aspirations
02:56with the Rams,
02:57I just don't get on board with.
02:59Like, I get it.
03:00You don't want to be the guy to follow the guy.
03:01That's really tough.
03:02I understand that.
03:03Living in Myles' shadow
03:04is not something that he wants,
03:06but like, I'm sorry.
03:08He's playing a really important,
03:10he was in the NFC title game last year.
03:11Like, there's high stakes
03:13that's attached to playing on that Rams football team
03:15that he just won't have here.
03:16There is, but when the Rams lost,
03:19nobody said,
03:19I can't believe Jared Verst
03:20didn't have a great game
03:21in the whatever game, right?
03:23No, but they might have said
03:24if Sam Darnold...
03:24That will be the case here.
03:26No, but they might have said
03:26if Sam Darnold hadn't been able
03:27to throw for 35 points
03:29and basically have the best
03:30Sam Darnold game he had,
03:31not only in that postseason.
03:32Remember, Sam Darnold
03:33wasn't lighting up the scoreboard
03:35in the first couple games
03:36of that postseason.
03:37Like, if anything,
03:37the Seahawks had gotten to
03:38more of dink and dunk with Darnold
03:40and not going explosive
03:41and then he lit up that defense
03:44in that NFC title game.
03:45And who took the brunt of it?
03:46It was the secondary.
03:47It was the special teams
03:48who took the brunt of it.
03:49In terms of Sam Darnold's game,
03:50it was the secondary.
03:51It was split by one play,
03:52but I would imagine
03:53if we were doing L.A. talk radio,
03:55and I, again,
03:56take it for whatever it's worth,
03:57I would imagine
03:58Verst and that D-line
03:59that's supposed to be
04:00getting a lot of pressure on him
04:01did take some brunt
04:02when they really unpacked it all.
04:04You said it perfectly there.
04:06Verst and that D-line.
04:09When you get traded for miles,
04:10you become the face
04:11of the defensive line,
04:12whether that's fair or not.
04:14And because there isn't a guy,
04:16like, if you ask
04:16Browns fans right now
04:17who are your highest expectations
04:19for on that defensive line,
04:21it's going to be Jared Verst.
04:22He definitely has more places
04:23to hide here.
04:24Or, sorry, to hide with the Rams.
04:25Yes.
04:26That I agree with 100%.
04:27There are definitely more people
04:28and there are definitely,
04:29there are better players
04:30on that defensive line
04:31than Jared Verst is.
04:32And so, like, there's,
04:33it's not all on him.
04:35I just think playing
04:36in really important games
04:37and being in the,
04:38not only the Super Bowl window
04:41that the Rams are in right now,
04:42but being as heavy favorites
04:44as they are
04:44to have a deep postseason run.
04:46Like, there's a lot
04:47that comes with that.
04:48Browns thing,
04:49there's not much pressure
04:50attached to this year.
04:51You're going to have pressure
04:51because you replaced Miles,
04:52but there's not,
04:53there's not a bunch of pressure.
04:54I really think it depends
04:55on how it looks.
04:56I think the worst thing
04:57that could happen to Jared
04:58in terms of how people view him
05:00in Cleveland
05:00is to get hurt.
05:01Because if he gets hurt
05:02and has to miss an amount of time,
05:04it's going to be hard
05:05for him to make that up
05:06no matter what he does
05:07in the games he plays.
05:08And, and I just,
05:09there's something about this town
05:10that has a,
05:11I mean, just razor thin patience
05:13with guys that get hurt.
05:14I do think that's been a part
05:16of why Denzel gets knocked in town
05:17when he doesn't get knocked.
05:18We deal with a lot of people
05:19that do get injured a lot
05:20with the Browns.
05:21Well, but I mean,
05:21even like Baker,
05:22like Baker played hurt
05:23and it's one of the first times
05:25in my life
05:25I've seen a guy play through injury
05:27and it was a zero sum.
05:29Well, you're not playing good enough
05:30through injury,
05:30screw you.
05:31Right?
05:32And again,
05:32that wasn't everybody.
05:33That was a certain amount.
05:34So I think,
05:35I think the injury thing
05:36would add some pressure.
05:37I also just think like
05:38if you're the face of the defense
05:40and the defense takes a step back
05:43and this team isn't winning,
05:45that is,
05:46I don't think it starts that way.
05:48I don't think it starts
05:49with tons of pressure
05:50on Jared verse,
05:50but I think by the time
05:52you get to the middle
05:52of the season,
05:53I do think,
05:54and it's interesting,
05:55like the morning show today
05:56had a conversation
05:56about Jared versus ability
05:58to win over fans.
06:00I think that's also equally fair.
06:02Like I think of the guys
06:04that has a lot riding on it
06:05this year
06:06in terms of fan expectation
06:07because he was just traded for
06:09and he was traded for
06:09four miles Garrett.
06:11We can talk about,
06:13well,
06:13the Browns got to get
06:13their quarterback
06:14and all that kind of stuff
06:15and there is that pressure
06:16on that trade,
06:17but the face of that trade
06:19until you,
06:19it helps you land
06:20Arch Manning
06:21or some other quarterback
06:22is going to be Jared verse
06:23and it's specific to this year.
06:24I know,
06:25but I do wonder
06:25what kind of leash
06:26he's going to have
06:26with the fans
06:27because no one is expecting
06:28him to be awesome
06:29this year necessarily.
06:31The production should be there.
06:33I wonder though,
06:34I wonder,
06:34like Mason Graham,
06:35we gave a pretty long leash to
06:37and I think year one
06:39was not the greatest year
06:40in the world.
06:40It was fine,
06:41but Sam Monson
06:42and the other guy
06:43saying that he was
06:44a disappointment last year.
06:45I don't agree with that.
06:46I agree with your sentiment there.
06:48I think that's crap,
06:48but I think most fans are like,
06:50but Mason's going to be good
06:51by the time we need him
06:52to be really good.
06:53And I do wonder
06:53if Jared verse is going
06:54to get that treatment as well.
06:55Like even if he takes
06:56a little bit of a step back,
06:57it's like,
06:57well,
06:57I get it.
06:58It's hard in week 13
07:00if this is a three-win team
07:01to get up,
07:02but I know that you're
07:02going to be there
07:03when we need you.
07:03Oh,
07:04see,
07:04I think the difference
07:05would be a guy
07:06in the first year
07:07of his rookie contract
07:08versus like what Jared verse,
07:10but end of this year,
07:11you want to feel good
07:13about paying him
07:13because if it doesn't
07:15happen next offseason,
07:16it'll happen the offseason
07:17after.
07:18And like the only,
07:20I don't want to say downside,
07:21but one of the potential
07:24hiccups in this trade
07:26is you got two years
07:27to make a decision
07:28on Jared verse
07:29and this isn't
07:30a $20 million decision.
07:32This is going to be
07:32a $35 to $40 million decision
07:35depending on how good he is.
07:37Yeah,
07:38it's funny,
07:38you know,
07:38now that we've talked this out,
07:39I kind of have,
07:40not that I had many concerns
07:42going into it,
07:42but one thing I think
07:43we do have to wonder
07:44is week 12,
07:45week 13,
07:46week 14,
07:46how does he look?
07:47Because he has always,
07:49we talk about how much
07:50pressure would be on him.
07:51It's almost like,
07:52how does he generate
07:52pressure on himself
07:53in order to make sure
07:54in week 14,
07:55if he's on a three
07:56or four or five win team
07:57that he's still jacked up
07:59the way,
07:59because with the Rams
08:00a couple of years,
08:01he's been playing
08:01for really good teams.
08:03Yeah,
08:03it's kind of like that.
08:03Always had that built in.
08:04Different because
08:05Juan Thornhill was moved on
08:07from by Kansas City
08:08for reasons.
08:09And that's apparent.
08:10Juan Thornhill is a nice example
08:11you're bringing up here though.
08:12But like Juan Thornhill
08:13coming in and telling people
08:14change your attitudes.
08:15We've got to change
08:16the way people look here.
08:18Juan Thornhill did not have
08:20that same energy
08:21eight weeks into that season.
08:23And I mean,
08:23a year later,
08:24the guy was dogging plays
08:25on the field.
08:26He got a real dose of,
08:27oh,
08:28this is different.
08:28I don't expect that to happen
08:29with Jared First
08:30because Jared First
08:31is a guy who's here
08:32because he's worked
08:34his ass off.
08:34And he's not like,
08:36he's not like a pure skill guy.
08:37Like he is a power guy.
08:39I think those guys
08:40have to earn it
08:41in a different way
08:42in the NFL
08:42than like a guy
08:43that's just a
08:44pure genetic freak
08:45like Miles.
08:46Yeah.
08:47But it is something
08:47that I think is going
08:48to be interesting
08:49worth watching.
08:49Like,
08:50do I think he could be
08:51part of changing the culture
08:52like Rutenberg
08:53and all these guys
08:53have said?
08:54Yep.
08:54It's going to be his first time
08:55really losing at this level
08:57potentially.
08:58It's not even losing
08:59at this level.
08:59It might be the first time
09:00he stares down the barrel
09:01of a three-game losing streak
09:03and that's going
09:04to be the test.
09:04Yeah.
09:05And looks around
09:05and sees all these other guys
09:06and I think he's the type
09:08of guy that's going
09:09to take it really hard.
09:11Not necessarily that
09:12he won't be able
09:12to overcome it
09:12but hard the idea
09:13that week 13,
09:15week 14,
09:16week 15
09:16can just kind of be blah
09:17sometimes if you're
09:18on a not great NFL team.
09:19216-474-0092
09:22Does Jared Verse
09:23need to be a top 10
09:25edge player,
09:26edge rusher rather,
09:27or sack getter
09:28as some might call him
09:29for the Browns
09:30to exceed expectations
09:31this year?
09:33I don't think
09:34he has to be a top 10.
09:35I also don't think
09:37top 10 is that hard
09:38of a bar
09:39considering if you look
09:41at the top 10
09:41there's like four guys
09:43I think you could
09:43legitimately rank
09:45Jared Verse ahead
09:45of right now
09:46looking directly
09:47at you, TJ.
09:49Well, he did.
09:49He made the top 10
09:50list last year.
09:51How'd he get bumped
09:52out of it this year?
09:52Cleveland.
09:53Cleveland.
09:55Typical big media bias.
09:58You know,
09:58when it plays for LA
09:59gets all the accolades.
10:00Comes here,
10:01honorable mention.
10:02Oh.
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