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00:30Sa day 12 ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte, inusisa ng prosecution ang paggamit ng confidential fund ng
00:39DepEd noong 2023.
00:41Ginamit daw ang pondong ito para sa counter-insurgency o panlaban sa rebelyon at mga terrorist groups sa campus.
00:49Pero sabi ng testigo na si State Auditor Attorney Roderick Quamil, walang isinubiting dokumento on DepEd na magpapatunay na nagawa
00:58nga ito.
00:58Ano naman ang dokumentong sinubmit ng DepEd para patunayan? Natunay nga na may terrorist ang mga iskalahan. Meron ba? Submit
01:09the documents?
01:11Wala po silang sinubmit.
01:13Puna rin ang COA sa isang pinuntahan ng pondo.
01:16First quarter, CY 2023 cash advance. Payment of allotments under the maintenance and other operating expenses. Authorized under the page
01:26376 of RA No. 11936 of the General Appropriations Act, Physical Year 2023.
01:33Anong ibig sabihin ng M-O-O-E?
01:41Yung M-O-O-E po kasi kasama yun doon sa kanilang regular funds.
01:46Ano ang regular funds at ano ang confidential funds?
01:52Yung regular funds po nung agency, yun yung kanilang pondo na ginagamit nila for their operations.
01:59Operations and yun po.
02:02Yung confidential funds po, ito po yung specific lump sum ng agency which is to be used for their confidential
02:08operations.
02:10Matapos lumabas ang kanilang audit observation memo tungkol sa umano'y irregularidad, nakipagpulong daw sa kanila ang mga kinatawan ng
02:18bisi kasama si Defense Counsel Attorney Michael Powa na nooy na sa DepEd.
02:23Kilala mo ba Mr. Witness si Attorney Michael Powa?
02:30Nakikita ko po siya sa news.
02:34Nakikita mo siya sa news? Hindi mo siya nakikita sa in-person?
02:38Ayan mo.
02:40During that time, sorry, hindi po clear yung particular period.
02:46Attorney, sorry for that.
02:48No, no, no.
02:49Nagpapagising lang na.
02:50Okay lang po.
02:51But you confirmed that this is the attorney that you saw in that meeting?
02:57Yes po.
02:59Okay.
03:00Sabi ni Wabil, may hiniling si Napowa sa COA.
03:03They asked po if instead of an audit observation memorandum in case may audit findings, ay audit query na lang
03:10po yung i-issue sa kanila.
03:13Audit query na lang.
03:16Ang dapat i-issue, yun ba ang sinabi nila?
03:19Ano naman itong audit query?
03:22Hindi po ako familiar sa audit query since hindi naman po siya kasama dun sa issuances under the Joint Circular
03:282015-01.
03:30Hindi raw sila pumayag sa kahilingan ni Napowa at naglabas ang COA ng audit observation memo pero hindi ito tinanggap
03:38ng opisina ng BC at sa halip ay nagsumite ng revised accomplishment report.
03:44Kaya tanong ng prosecution, ang kabiguan ba raw na maliquidate ng wasto ang confidential funds ay ebidensya na nalustay ito?
03:54Please read paragraph 8.3.
03:59Under item 8.3, failure of the accountable officer to liquidate any public funds for which he is accountable upon
04:07demand by any duly authorized officer
04:09shall be prima facie evidence that he has put such missing funds or property to personal use and benefit.
04:15Ano ang ibig sabihin dito ng prima facie evidence?
04:22Ang ibig sabihin po ng prima facie evidence under 8.3 ay nagkaroon po ng presumption na ginamit yung funds
04:30for the personal use and benefit of the accountable officers.
04:34So kung ang accountable officer at masasabi mo ba na ang vice president and concurrently secretary of education, masasabi mo
04:45ba na accountable officer ito?
04:47Ang base on the joint circular po, yes po.
04:51Presumption ng ano?
04:53Under 8.3 po, presumption na yung fund po ay na-convert into personal use or benefit.
05:00Presumption na na-convert for personal use or benefit applicable dito sa sinabi mo?
05:08Conclusion of law, Your Honor. Calls for conclusion.
05:11Your Honor, that is...
05:13Your Honor, all these matters are pending.
05:15Sustained.
05:16Your Honor, please. Ang tawag ko ng doon, hindi prima facie evidence kung ako natatanongin. Scam ito.
05:25Move to strike, Your Honor. Move to strike. That is out of order, Your Honor.
05:29No further questions, Your Honor.
05:30Move to strike.
05:31So stricken from the record.
05:33Ayon kay Attorney Powa, maituturing na miscaracterization ang pagtawag ni Attorney Lorna Capuna na scam ang confidential funds ng vice.
05:42I just don't think it was proper to do that, especially at this point, no?
05:46Na ang witness naman na pinag-uusapan natin ay AOM pa lang.
05:51To call it a scam is really a miscaracterization.
05:53Nanindigan naman si Kapunan sa kanyang sinabi.
05:57Ang paulit-ulit-ulit yan, at hindi mo ginamit, ang pera na sinabi mong gagamitin, eh, ang tawag doon, scam.
06:08Ang mini-scam, eh taong bayan.
06:12Ang worth ng scam na yan ay 612.
06:31Sa cross-examination ng depensa, ipinunto na Attorney Powa na sensitibo ang confidential activities
06:38at ang pagsusumite ng mga dokumento tulad ng mga resibo ay maaring magdulot ng leak
06:44o pagtagas na impormasyon na maaring maglagay sa panggalit sa operasyon.
06:50Commission on Audit Circular No. 92-385 dated October 21, 1992.
06:56Whereas these intelligence and confidential activities by their very nature are highly sensitive and confidential operations or missions,
07:05details of which cannot be divulged.
07:06You being a lawyer, you know that there are laws prohibiting the unauthorized disclosure of confidential information, correct?
07:16Can you repeat what?
07:18You being a lawyer, sir, you are aware that there are laws prohibiting the unauthorized disclosure of confidential information, correct?
07:27Can you state what specific laws po yung...
07:29Revised penal code under Article 229, for example, under Revelation of Secrets.
07:35Yes po.
07:36Yes, Republic Act 3019.
07:38Pero pagkontra ng prosekusyon, lumana ang dokumentong yan.
07:42May mga panuntunan daw na dapat sundin sa pagli-liquidate ng confidential funds dahil pondo ito ng bayan.
07:50Naongkat din ang sinabi kahapon na ginastos ang 125 million pesos na confidential fund ng OVP noong fourth quarter ng
07:592022
08:00sa loob lamang nang labing isang araw.
08:03Sa pagtatanong ni Powa, sinabi ni WAMIL na wala naman daw batas na nagbabawal sa haba o ikli ng panahong
08:10dapat gastusin ang pondo.
08:12Meron po bang probisyon dyan na nagbabawal na gamitin ito in perhaps 60 days?
08:20Wala po.
08:21Meron po bang nagbabawal na gamitin ito in 11 days?
08:25Wala din po. Kaya hindi po namin sinama sa findings namin yung 11 days na disbursement. It's just a statement
08:30of fact po on the AOM.
08:32Ipinakita rin sa pagliliti sa mga dokumentong pirmado ng vice noong siya pa ang education secretary bilang siyang accountable officer.
08:41Pero sa cross-examination, tinanong si WAMIL kung may nakalagay ba sa audit observation memo na nalustay na pera?
08:49Meron po bang expressly nakasulat sa mga findings niya?
08:52Ask ka ng answer, your honor.
08:53That is a presumption po. May expressly po ba na nakasulat na may niisang kusing na napunta sa bulsa ng
09:00vice president?
09:00Ask and answer, your honor. This... Ah, wait. Don't answer.
09:04Uy.
09:07That question, your honor, has been asked and answered.
09:10Sustaining, your honor.
09:12Kahapon, sinabi ni WAMIL sa korte na nag-issue ang COA ng notice of suspension sa tanggapan ng vice.
09:19Expressly says, there is a presumption of misuse and that it is used for personal benefit. Tama?
09:28Based on this provision po, yes ma'am.
09:32And so far, unless proven otherwise, that presumption still holds.
09:39She is presumed to have misuse or to have used it for personal benefit, Mr. Witness. Correct?
09:52Yes ma'am.
09:53Pero giit ng depensa, sumagot ang mga tanggapan ni Duterte pero maka hindi na inabutan ni WAMIL dahil nailipat na
10:01siya sa ibang opisina.
10:02You would confirm na sumagot ang OVP pero hindi na niya inabutan ang sagot or meaning hindi niyo na alam
10:09kung sumagot man ang OVP dun sa notice of suspension?
10:13Yes po, hindi ko naman nabutan.
10:15So probably for another witness.
10:16Hindi pa rin daw pinal ang mga AOM at may pagkakataong pa na magsumite na mga kinakailangan dokumentong OVP at
10:25DepEd.
10:26At wala paumanong napapakitang maling paggamit ng pondo roon.
10:30Bukas inaasahang magtatanong ang Senator Judges kay WAMIL.
10:34Inaasahan ding isasalang bukas ang isa pang bagong testigo.
10:38So, kailangan ba ma-prove na yung buong 125 million ay questionable or yung 27 or just one portion is
10:46enough already to prove that there was culpable violation of the law or betrayal of public trust?
10:51You know what, actually, Bia, from the point of view of the citizen, one peso is already too much.
10:57But we understand na malalaking amounts ang involved dito.
11:00And that's the reason why sampling lang siya.
11:03Kasi ang pinapakitibo naman dito ay may pattern or mayroong propensity na gamitin sa hindi nararapat o sa naayon yung
11:13pera.
11:13So, in other words, kung napakita ng prosecution na posible ito for these amounts and for these transactions,
11:19it is highly likely na ito din yung nangyari sa iba.
11:23Ako si Sandra Aguinaldo, ang inyong saksi!
11:30Ako si Sandra Aguinaldo, ang inyong saksi!
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