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00:08Hello there and welcome to this special summer edition of The Ring, Eury News' weekly debate show.
00:15I'm Maeve McMahon in Brussels.
00:17Well, on The Ring, members of the European Parliament come face-to-face inside the European Parliament
00:22on some of the most challenging issues facing the European Union today.
00:27Well, as they take a summer break and the city is vacated, we're taking a look back at some of
00:32our favourite parts of The Ring this season.
00:35Well, one of the major debates that's been taking place in Brussels for years and also on The Ring is
00:40about migration and how to manage it.
00:42That was a debate that took place between Juan Fernando López Aguilar, Spanish MEP from the Socialists,
00:48with his Swedish MEP from the European People's Party, Thomas Tobey. Take a look.
00:56Of course, Europe needs work migration. That is not the problem.
01:01The problem we have is we have a large number of illegal migration.
01:05And only one out of five who don't have the right to stay in Europe actually returns.
01:12And of course, we need to shift this. We need to have control of our borders.
01:16People who don't have the right to be in Europe should not be in Europe.
01:19And then, of course, we should have legal work migration.
01:22But what we're seeing now, for example, in Spain, they are now giving amnesty to 500,000 illegal migrants.
01:31This is a direct threat to the Schengen area. It undermines the Europe effort.
01:37We are trying to work now to have a more of a common European migration policy.
01:42And I think it's time for us to actually decide, do we want to have control of the border?
01:48Do we want to have legal work migration?
01:51Or should we continue this path in Europe with the legal migration?
01:54It needs to stop.
01:55I strongly disagree with what I just heard from my colleague and friend, Thomas Tobey.
02:00First, there's no illegal people. We used to talk about irregular migrants.
02:04It's not an amnesty. He used the word amnesty.
02:06Of course, it is not. It's a regularization, which belongs to the competence of the member states.
02:11And it's been recognized by the European Commission itself.
02:15Second, it is not true that they're illegal.
02:19We always had a problem in the European Union with lack of legal pathways.
02:24That's one thing. We need more legal pathways.
02:27But when people come irregularly, it's because they are not given the chance to make it regularly.
02:32But insofar as they happen to already be in Spain, working in Spain, we are regulating not only human beings,
02:39but also jobs.
02:41And we're making it possible for those human beings employed in the irregular economy, in the so-called black market,
02:50as for now, to make it regularly so that they can actually pay taxes.
02:54They can actually contribute to the sustainability of the social services, in which it is a fact that they support
03:01more.
03:02They give more than they receive.
03:03It is not true that they are predatory to social services.
03:07On the contrary, they can actually contribute to the sustainability of the social services.
03:12And I make a final point.
03:14Spain is number one in growth and job creation in the European Union.
03:18And there is no economic analysis that does not underline the fact that it's largely due because it's alternative approach,
03:26positive approach to migration, incorporating inclusive, integrating migrants instead of rejecting migrants.
03:32We've got to move on to our next round.
03:35I see you're all warmed up already.
03:40So now this is the moment for you to ask each other questions directly.
03:44So since I cut you off, Mr. Toby, let me give you the floor in the first place.
03:49Juan Fernando López Aguilar, we worked together on the migration pact, the last mandate.
03:54I think we actually achieved some very important things together for Europe.
03:59But you also know that we need to tackle returns.
04:03One out of five people are actually returned.
04:06And this cannot continue.
04:08Now, commission is presenting proposals supported by several S&D governments across Europe.
04:15But now the S&D group and the European Parliament are voting no to every proposal.
04:21That means that we actually could be more efficient with returns.
04:24When would you face the reality?
04:26Yes, we work together in the migration and asylum pact, eight regulations, but it's not complete.
04:32It takes a lot of coordination in search and rescue operation at a European scale.
04:36It takes a lot of legal pathways.
04:38It takes a lot of cracking down on the business model of organized crime, dealing with trafficking of human beings.
04:44But yes, we have to come up with a European scale of response when it comes to migration and asylum.
04:50And returns, it's part of the equation.
04:53We don't deny that.
04:54But we want returns to be negotiated with dignity, with third parties, with third parties, countries of transit and origin.
05:02And it takes a diplomatic architecture which is lacking.
05:05You cannot impose returns.
05:07And you cannot ignore that you cannot return people to places they don't belong to.
05:13And that is why we object the proposal by the Commission, because it escapes the meaningful link between the country
05:21of transit or origin and the human being which is supposedly to be returned there.
05:26I have heard, because I have been the representative of the European Parliament in the Council of Ministers of Interior
05:32many times, fly them to Rwanda.
05:34And my question is, why Rwanda?
05:36Do you think because they're just indistinct in Rwanda because they're black, even though they don't belong to Rwanda?
05:42Even though they come from Mali or from Sudan or from Uganda?
05:47No, it doesn't make sense.
05:49You need meaningful links.
05:50And for that, it takes a negotiation with third parties.
05:54It doesn't suffice that you simply pay some ruler, some money to keep them out of our sight.
06:00So you say, why are we doing that?
06:02We're not talking about Rwanda here.
06:03It's about saying, we have candidate countries to Europe.
06:08Could we consider them safe countries?
06:10So they go up to Albania?
06:12It could be.
06:14We're talking about, for example, India.
06:17We have a, I mean, look at the assignment request, unfolded assignment request.
06:23There are under 5% that actually get a yes to come to Europe.
06:27And everything will be assessed individually.
06:30But what we need to do, we cannot continue in this way, where we have a lot of unfounded
06:34assignment request coming to Europe.
06:37And then it takes a long time.
06:39And basically, it means that you never leave.
06:41We cannot continue in this way.
06:42But just to be precise on this point for our viewers, when you mentioned Albania, the Italian
06:46government ran into major issues with the judiciary over sending migrants arriving in Italy to Albania.
06:52So it's not crystal clear this is going to work.
06:54No, no, no.
06:54But Albania is another topic.
06:57It's between, it's a deal that has been done by the Italian and the Albanian.
07:02That is a deal that they've done.
07:04But if they had issues, what makes you think that the EU would not run into issues in other
07:07candidate countries?
07:08Well, this proposal has been now assessed by all the EU authorities, UNHCR.
07:16And, of course, we have the right to return people if they are not in any risk of persecution
07:23and so on.
07:23We, S&D, we don't deny the importance of returns.
07:26Actually, we have heard about just ministers of interior, which are actually concerned about
07:32returns.
07:33But why the percentage of returnees is so low?
07:37Because we don't have an architecture of agreements with third parties of transit and origin.
07:42And then there comes the commission saying we're going to enlarge the list arbitrarily,
07:48the list of safe third countries, including Bangladesh and Egypt, for instance, which
07:54are not considered safe countries of transit or origin by the European Asylum Agency.
08:00That is why we have objected.
08:01We have tried to come up with amendments.
08:03And the Conservative Party, the People's Party, the EPP, along with the far right, have denied
08:10all of our amendments, saying that there are red lines for them.
08:14So what is the question?
08:15My question is, do you really think that you can actually export people to some third country
08:21with no meaningful links with those particular human beings just for the sake that you're paying
08:26some money to some ruler to keep them out of our sight?
08:29Do you think you can send someone which is actually from Sudan to Egypt?
08:34Or do you think you can send someone which is actually from Uganda to Libya or to Tunisia
08:40just for the sake of having them out of our sight?
08:43Do you think that we can actually ignore the meaningful links which include culture, linguistic
08:48or even family links, which are to be considered seriously by countries which are to return human
08:54beings to some other place?
08:57If the Socialist in the European Parliament would decide there are no safe countries outside of Europe,
09:02I mean, I hear that.
09:04When we started the negotiations about the countries, there's no country that you can accept.
09:09If you come to Europe, of course, we need to assess where you come from.
09:13Of course, we will always do that.
09:15But of course, there are countries.
09:17When a person comes to Europe, we can look from which country have you been.
09:21Could you be safe in this country or not?
09:23That is the question.
09:24And of course, this is not portrayed as some kind of delusional far-right policy.
09:31This is a policy coming from Commission.
09:34This is a policy coming from S&D governments all across Europe.
09:37Because we cannot continue in this way where we have only one out of five people return in Europe.
09:44Then it means that even the people that need protection in Europe will not get the protection in Europe.
09:53Another major topic up for debate this year was the EU Mercosur deal that was signed at the start of
09:592026.
10:00But what are the pros and cons of this trade deal?
10:03And what does it mean for you?
10:04Those are the questions we put to Ciarán Maluli, Irish MEP from Renew Europe, and the Swedish MEP from the
10:10European People's Party, Jörgen Warburne.
10:15I think the viewers saw that China is now pressing us on one part and the U.S. on the
10:23other parts.
10:24From a geopolitical standpoint, this is a good deal.
10:27From an economic standpoint, this is a good deal.
10:30It is creating more jobs in Europe.
10:32So we need it as soon as possible.
10:35And you mentioned one of the issues that made you want to send it for a legal check.
10:41But that is not really true.
10:43The rebalancing mechanism, it's covered for within the agreement.
10:48There is no issue there.
10:49And there is a potentiality now that the deal could be provisionally implemented.
10:54That's what we need now.
10:55How would you feel about that if the Commission already provided the interest?
10:59Yeah, I have a major problem.
11:01And just to stick with the vote this week, the majority of our MEPs all around Europe have felt that
11:06this issue needs to be referred.
11:08It needs to be looked at in depth.
11:10Remember, right across Europe, take countries like France and Poland.
11:15127 MEPs in those areas voted yes for this decision.
11:18They represent the biggest industries in Europe.
11:20Germany, the biggest economy is in favour.
11:22French MEPs and the Polish to a person representing industries in Bordeaux and Paris and right across Warsaw.
11:30And yet they said, we need a legal referral.
11:32Do you trust their judgment that this needs to go back to terms of industry and their countries?
11:38No, it's the other way around.
11:39I mean, it's in, for the rebalancing mechanism, as you mentioned, one of the most important part from you,
11:45it is actually in the agreement.
11:47But they want it to be reviewed.
11:48But they want it to be reviewed, obviously.
11:50So why did you want to review it?
11:53Members of Parliament are asked to come forward and to represent their constituents.
11:57The industries in France and in Poland and in Ireland said, we don't.
12:01We want to see a proper legal review.
12:03So if you read Article 21, 1410c, you will see the rebalancing mechanism out there.
12:09Have you read that article?
12:09I guess you didn't.
12:10No, I haven't.
12:11But I've looked at the previous...
12:11That's why you voted the way you did.
12:13I've looked at the precedents that have been suggested as precedents.
12:16In the precedents cases, there were previous trade agreements with the European Union.
12:19There was no previous trade agreement with regard to the Mercosur countries.
12:22And in those circumstances, it's in order that we do this.
12:24We haven't used it before.
12:25I agree with that.
12:26But it's also within all the W2 rules.
12:29And since it's in the agreement, which you obviously haven't read, you still voted to send it for legal checks.
12:37Because I represent my country and the industry in my country the same way as the French in Bordeaux and
12:41Paris and Warsaw say,
12:42we want a legal review of this agreement.
12:45What are you afraid of, Jürgen?
12:46Are you afraid to come back, that it will not come back at all?
12:51I'm afraid of losing economic development.
12:56I'm afraid of losing jobs in Europe.
12:59I'm afraid of the small business owners.
13:02I'm afraid of all that growth that Europe needs in this moment.
13:05My issue, and one of the big issues I have with this deal, is the scale of it.
13:09It's overrated.
13:10It overstated.
13:11I'm pro-trade.
13:12I'm in favour of the EU-India trade agreement.
13:15I was cheering yesterday morning.
13:16Why?
13:17Because of the scale of it.
13:18We're talking about a country with 1.5 billion people as opposed to Mercosur with 300 million people.
13:24We're talking about a country with limited trade opportunities as opposed to India, which has shown a willingness to trade.
13:30These are totally different situations.
13:32You're afraid they won't come back.
13:33Just let me stop you there because actually we're just getting warmed up here and it's time to take the
13:37gloves off.
13:41So now you both have the opportunity to kick off with your own questions.
13:45So I will stay quiet for a minute.
13:46Ciarán, you go ahead, please, with your first question.
13:48Yeah, I mean, I want to ask Juergen up straight if he knows what antimicrobial resistance is in terms of
13:54medical situation.
13:55It's basically a medical condition which occurs after the overuse of antibiotics.
14:00It's something that affects you and me.
14:02Forget about the animals for the moment.
14:03It's you and me, your kids, your family, and if in an emergency situation you go into a hospital, you
14:08require antibiotics.
14:10If you've been exposed to more antibiotics than you knew in the course of your life, you're in big trouble.
14:15Brazilian meat is coming in at the end of the day.
14:17We know antibiotics are in it.
14:18We've seen it.
14:19In my country, we've had an expose with regard to right across Brazil.
14:22It's still going on.
14:24So the question is very straightforward.
14:25The question is very straightforward at the end of the day.
14:27What price do you put on the safety of your family?
14:30So the meat is coming in, no matter with the Mercosur agreement or not.
14:35And what happens if we have the Mercosur agreement is that we increase the checks.
14:41In fact, we will do 50% more checks in the Mercosur countries.
14:46We will do 33% more checks at the border, at the European borders.
14:52And there will be a task force to improve the border efficiency.
14:57So actually, for health, for people, and for animals, and for the plants, there will be more checks with the
15:06Mercosur agreement than without the argument.
15:09You can guarantee this?
15:10Because on the 25th of September last year, they came into Ireland.
15:13I've asked the Commission since that about the checks, where the meat came from, where it went to.
15:18The Commission doesn't know.
15:20They still don't know.
15:21So you're not reassured by what you're going to say?
15:23Five months.
15:23Well, that's a fact.
15:25We can ask.
15:25You can ask anybody in the Parliament next week.
15:27When we ask the Commissioner, where did it come from?
15:29Where did it go?
15:30The checks.
15:30But are your voters not excited about cheaper steaks?
15:32Fortunately, the EU, one of the fantastic things about the EU is the focus on quality and health over the
15:38years.
15:39Our Irish consumer, largely, our Irish consumer wants to see the continuation of proper quality and safe food.
15:44Quality over quality.
15:44That's the big issue for me.
15:45Safe food and your family and my family, we can be sure about reaching.
15:48Your opportunity now to pose your first question, please, to Ciarán Malouli.
15:52We have US and China pressing us from two parts.
15:55It's been very, very hard with the US lately, and we need more trade agreements.
16:01India, it's very good that you are pro the Indian one, and we have several others.
16:06The Chile one, I guess you voted for as well.
16:09Why do you choose not to have the growth that comes with the Mercosur agreement?
16:15You say it's too small, but it's still growth.
16:17It's still more jobs for European businesses.
16:22It supports small and medium-sized businesses.
16:25We need growth in Europe.
16:26So why can you not help with providing that growth?
16:31It's a fair question.
16:32The geopolitical situation has been one of the big unsettling issues as I joined the Parliament.
16:36Every week, there's a different agenda, and usually driven by the United States or otherwise.
16:40But the point is, you're right, we need to do more trade.
16:43But for me as an ABP, I have to balance.
16:45On one side, the better good of the EU, and on the other side, the better good of the economy
16:50of the EU.
16:50And when the people of France, and the people of Poland, the people of Austria, Ireland, and even Belgium on
16:55this have come in and said,
16:57at the end of the day, we're more to lose in a deal of this size because it's so small.
17:02That's what they're saying to me.
17:03Even though I don't know if the French economy should be a good example.
17:06Well, nevertheless, the French are united on this.
17:08We've seen it in the Parliament.
17:09I mean, 127 MPs can be wrong.
17:11Can they all be wrong, Jürgen?
17:12Yes.
17:12Can they all be wrong?
17:13They can all be wrong.
17:13Yes.
17:14I'm afraid that's a bit of a statement about you and democracy.
17:16Because at the end of the day, they represent left, right, and middle.
17:19Kira Malouli, you've a chance for another question there.
17:21Are you in favour of a deal which, at the end of the day, continues to leave workers in Brazil
17:26on an average monthly salary of just €1,000?
17:30It's doing nothing for trade.
17:31How could you support that?
17:33Nothing for employees and workers in Brazil.
17:35You're right, answer.
17:35So, if we vote down the Mercosur trade agreement, how will it help the workers in Brazil?
17:44How will it help the workers in Europe, in Ireland?
17:49It will be the opposite.
17:50And we spoke about it.
17:52It's about growth.
17:53Europe is facing a huge growth problem.
17:56And it's good that the Commission is now pushing to change this position.
18:01We have the Draga report.
18:03We need to do a lot of things.
18:04The rest of the world is growing faster than Europe.
18:07And that's why we need to tap into that growth.
18:11And we do that with the trade agreements.
18:14But you decide that you do not want to tap into that growth to 270 million consumers.
18:20I look at the facts, you're right.
18:21That can sell the cars, the pharmaceuticals.
18:24I also look at the facts.
18:25Well, the trade unions tell us that, and actually I misquoted, €500 per month is the average one.
18:30The top 10% are on €1,200 per month.
18:32That's today.
18:33That's today.
18:34That has been the way for some time, and you know that.
18:36So, and with an agreement...
18:38Another point that complicates this matter as well.
18:39Just to complicate it even further for you.
18:41You want to sell...
18:43People want to sell cars into this community.
18:45How many of these workers are going to be able to afford a Volvo car?
18:48At that wage?
18:49At that salary?
18:50Never.
18:51Allow Mr. Wormann to answer.
18:52No, much more of the workers will afford it if we have the Mercosur agreement.
18:58Not a chance.
18:58Because economic development will increase with the agreement.
19:02That's what trade does.
19:04Actually, the European export will grow by 39%.
19:08That's a huge possibility for cars, for car parts, for machinery, for pharmaceutical products, and for farmers.
19:18And that's why the industry have called it the big trophy that they took home from Paraguay.
19:21And you mentioned Mario Draghi.
19:23He has been invited to the EU leaders' retreat in February, and that just describes how bad, really, our economy
19:28is right now.
19:29What Kieran is doing is saying no to growth.
19:32And I'm saying yes to growth.
19:34I'm saying balance.
19:35I'm saying balance it out.
19:39As you can see, a fascinating debate.
19:42You can read more about that trade deal on Euronews.com.
19:46But now, it's time for us to take a very short break.
19:49Stay with us here on Euronews.
19:51We'll be back with The Ring soon.
20:01Welcome back to this summer special edition of The Ring, Euronews' weekly debate show.
20:06I'm Maeve McMahon.
20:08And as members of the European Parliament take a break from the city and the Parliament for a couple of
20:13weeks,
20:13we're just replaying you some of the highlights of some of the debates we've had on this year's season.
20:18One focuses on housing, a major issue of anxiety for thousands of Europeans across the continent.
20:25And housing is now actually a top political priority here in the European Union.
20:29But what exactly can Brussels do to help?
20:31The question that we posed to Dirk Göttingen, a Dutch member of the European Parliament,
20:36and Maria Oisalo, Finnish member.
20:38Take a look.
20:41So, let me welcome to The Ring, Dirk Göttingen and Maria Oisalo.
20:46Good to see you.
20:47Thanks for the invitation.
20:47I think the core question right now is why are housing costs rising faster than wages almost everywhere?
20:56One of the key questions is the speculation, financialization of housing market,
21:01that homes are not considered primarily as human rights, but as asset classes for big hedge funds, companies, private investors.
21:10And then just saying that we should build and get more investors to the market, this will not solve the
21:15problem.
21:16We need more affordable housing and available housing for everybody.
21:20But somebody has to build them, right?
21:22Exactly.
21:22And this kind of state-sponsored sort of subsidies will only drive up more the prices.
21:27We want to fix the problem in the market because building materials are getting very expensive,
21:33which is one of the reasons why housing prices go up.
21:37But also governments try things like rent controls and all kinds of other stimulating, demand-stimulating measures
21:43that also drive up prices.
21:45Because what happens if you can get more money from the bank?
21:49That is, that the sellers of houses will start increasing their prices.
21:53And this is not financial speculators.
21:55These are citizens who have paid their entire lives to buy one or maybe a second house.
22:00And then you treat them as if they're criminals.
22:04And if they're not allowed to sell them, they can be speculators.
22:07I did not say that only public investment will solve the problem.
22:12But we have no experience of any country in the world that could have solved the housing crisis
22:16by only building more private housing.
22:20No, we need a mixed model and also tackling the short-term rentals, which was also in the insert.
22:26This is a key question, not only in the southern Europe, but also back home, up north in Rovaniemi, Lapland.
22:33This is a place where students can afford to live in the city center anymore because it's packed of short
22:38-term rental homes.
22:39Well, homes are being built, as we speak, not only at the places where we need the most.
22:46Why is that so?
22:47Well, the problem with Europe is that there's no one-size-fits-all.
22:50That's why we cannot have one single policy on housing, and we don't want that.
22:54Because local authorities, like mayors and municipalities, but also regional authorities,
23:01they need to be on the front line of solving the housing crisis.
23:06In Europe, we can help them.
23:08We can help them with things like what I said, making sure that the market for building materials works,
23:15changing state aid rules, because indeed we need a mixed approach of public and private investment
23:21so that we can also invest in middle-class, in middle-class affordable housing,
23:26because your introduction said it was mostly the lower salaries that had problems, lower income groups.
23:32But in fact, it has become a generalized middle-income crisis in Europe.
23:36The problem is that we also have a lot of vacant homes around Europe,
23:41especially the ones that are used for speculative reasons.
23:45And this is where the governments can step in.
23:47One EU can actually be there to inform the governments to maybe introduce vacancy taxes,
23:54maybe introduce different taxes for speed-up sellings,
23:59so that you should maybe maintain the home for two years or three years, and then after that sell it.
24:05Then one problem is also that when we then state subsidize affordable housing,
24:10after 20, 30 years, these homes are actually sold into the market.
24:14And this is also a huge problem, so that when state is subsidizing something,
24:19they should maintain affordable and they should maintain the state subsidized.
24:24Okay, and it's time for our fifth and final round.
24:32We want to do something different here.
24:34I'm going to ask you a set of questions, and you can only answer with a yes or no, if
24:40that's okay.
24:41Okay. Can the EU meaningfully act when housing policy is mostly national or local?
24:48Yes.
24:49Yes?
24:50Yes, definitely.
24:51Okay.
24:52Should Brussels take a stronger coordinating or funding role?
24:55Yes.
24:56Yes.
24:57Funding, yes. Coordinating, no.
24:59No.
24:59Should governments impose strict rent controls to limit price increase?
25:05Show me where it worked.
25:08We have different opinions about this in our political group here in the parliament.
25:12Personally, I would say no.
25:14No.
25:15Should foreign investors face limits or bans on buying residential property?
25:21Yes, definitely.
25:22Yeah, we can talk about it.
25:27Should zoning laws be relaxed to allow denser construction in urban areas?
25:32Yes.
25:34It depends on the set of other legislation also, when it comes to nature, climate and so on.
25:42Rather no.
25:44Rather no.
25:46Okay.
25:47Should vacant properties be taxed or expropriated to bring them onto the market?
25:51Yes.
25:56In highly populated urban areas, if you leave properties vacant for too long, I would say personally,
26:05yes, you need to be able to nudge the property back onto the market.
26:09So the authorities should ask, what's going on here?
26:10We already have that possibility in the Netherlands in some places, and I think you can think about that.
26:16But it's not Europe deciding that.
26:18Yeah.
26:18It's the national authority.
26:19Of course, should the EU allow more public spending and debt to build social housing?
26:25Well, that is what's being done now in a limited way.
26:30So that's a yes.
26:33Yes.
26:33Yes.
26:33Should home ownership be actively promoted or should policy accept a long-term shift towards renting?
26:42We need both.
26:43Home ownership is the basis for people's stability in life, and yes, it should be promoted.
26:51Good.
26:52All right.
26:52Last question.
26:53Have you agreed with anything you've heard from your opponent today?
26:59Yeah.
27:00Yeah.
27:00Yeah.
27:01Yeah.
27:01The housing first in Finland.
27:03It's a very successful approach.
27:05Okay.
27:05And I agree that a lot of the problems people are faced with cannot be solved if someone is on
27:11the streets
27:12and they need simply a roof over their heads.
27:15Okay.
27:16I really like the fact that you want to see defense and housing crisis on the same level.
27:20I really want to see this switch in the narrative in the whole European Union level.
27:27Well, that brings this special summer edition of The Ring to an end.
27:31We'll be back very soon.
27:33But in the meantime, let us know what issues you want us to debate here on The Ring.
27:37What's keeping you up at night?
27:39You can write to us at thering at euronews.com.
27:42But for now, thanks so much for tuning in.
27:44Take care and see you soon on Euronews.
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