Mumbai, Maharashtra: In this exclusive interview, acclaimed actor Adil Hussain talked about his latest film, 'Max, Min and Meowzaki', and shared what drew him to the project. He discussed his disciplined and rigid character, revealing how he approached the role and the qualities that resonated with him and he also talked about regret and guilt. Adil Hussain also reflected on his personal views about failure, the evolving dynamics of families across generations and whether he considers himself a rigid person in real life. In the end, he offered a thought-provoking perspective on the internet, highlighting the irony of a platform that promises knowledge while often overwhelming people with meaningless and distracting content.
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00:00So hello Adil sir, welcome to NS and first of all congratulations for Maximilian Miyazaki that's about to release on
00:04July 24th.
00:05Thank you very much.
00:06I want to start off by asking that what was about the broader idea of the film or your character
00:11or the premise that appealed to the artist in you.
00:14Well, I think the broader idea would be that how in spite of the differences of ideas, ideologies, habits and
00:24traits of each human being
00:26and each generation we carry forth all kinds of things from our previous generations.
00:34And then the times change and we stay, sort of we try to stay true to our ideas of what
00:41life could be
00:42and we try to stay true to also that what should be the future of our offsprings who we have
00:52given birth to or care for or love.
00:54And the clashes of all these different ideas, habits, personal idiosyncrasies of vision of future about our siblings
01:07and the things that we don't like about our previous generations like my dad I never liked a lot of
01:16things about
01:17and now I don't like a lot of things about my son and we have problems with that.
01:22So, this film I guess takes all this into account with a beautiful way of bringing them under one umbrella
01:36and trying to look at the issues, the conditions, the problems, the predicaments, the situations
01:45with a microscopic eye and to create empathy for these three generations that Mahadevan's.
01:55And with regards to your character if you could help me understand the values that he has and the world
02:00that he comes from.
02:01Yeah.
02:02Well, what I have understood while being directed and when I read the script and while I also played the
02:12role is that
02:14he has he believes in absolute discipline and a very settled way of how one should live one's life
02:28which we generally all believe the same. But then my characters, my roles time period is different than my son's
02:37time period.
02:39So, I am influenced by my time period. I must get a job and then you do your thing.
02:44You, you know, contribute something to the society, you look after your parents, you look after your father or your
02:50offspring, your wife
02:51and provide them with financial help and that's that. Emotionally, the person that I played is not
03:03not keeping up with the kind of, how do I say, not keeping up with the kind of leniency or,
03:15or, or, or flexibility
03:19to be able to see some one to be able to see the truth or see truth from somebody else's
03:26perspective
03:26which takes a great deal of personal work which this character, you know, has not, this role has not really
03:34worked on that.
03:35And in the film, he is working on that in the story. The film starts, he is emotionally distraught
03:43and then finally during the film, he slowly starts loosening up and seeing the, seeing truth from somebody else's perspective
03:53and softens, it softens himself, it softens him.
03:57And if I may ask what was the convergence point because you said that, you know, he is very rigid
04:00in terms of the emotionality
04:03and how he deals with people. You coming from the opposite end of the spectrum, you know, you are very
04:07perceptive about, you know,
04:09what other people are thinking. That's what I observe about you.
04:12That's not true. I have my rigidity also.
04:15But, you know, more fluid compared to the character. So, well, now there are two journeys for the character to
04:23become more fluid and flexible
04:25and for you to become more rigid as an actor. What was the convergence point in this film?
04:29I think I had been a rigid guy. I had been extremely strict with my own idea of what should
04:39be the basic principles to live our lives.
04:41And so it took me, no, not took me, it's taking me a huge amount of personal work.
04:50And I had been lucky because my, my profession or my, my, I call it self-expression is through art
05:00and especially through the art of acting.
05:03And it acting for me, the kind of acting that I believe in, not necessarily it might be the same
05:10with other actors.
05:11The kind of acting that I believe in that it must liberate myself from myself, from my personal conditioning, which
05:19I have been carrying from generations.
05:21And to be able to walk towards a large hearted person to play a small hearted person.
05:28Because a small hearted person would not be able to embrace a large hearted person.
05:33Absolutely. Yeah.
05:33You see the opposite is possible. Yeah.
05:35That's how your mother is probably would be more open to embrace a child who has made lots of mistakes.
05:42Yeah. But it's very difficult otherwise, you know.
05:46So this is a, this is not necessarily a very profound example, which I gave you.
05:52But it is important for a person who practice acting to be able to see truth from 8 billion perspectives.
06:02From 8 billion people on the planet, if I consider 8 billion perspectives and to see that it's not necessarily
06:11that you have to agree with the role you're playing.
06:15Yeah. But you must not have an iota of judgment about the role you're playing.
06:21Absolutely. Yeah.
06:22That otherwise you will not be able to wear it the entire entirely.
06:26You will not be able to embrace the role entirely.
06:29And you won't be able to do justice to it.
06:30Yes. That's, that's, that's the, that's the, that's the attempt.
06:35But we all fail. Yeah.
06:37And as best as we can go with this particular perspective that if I have to play Hitler, then I
06:44must understand and I must embrace Hitler with all my empathy.
06:49Yeah. And my compassion. Yeah.
06:53And you spoke about failure. Now, in my opinion, it's a very beautiful word.
06:57Because nothing teaches as good as failure, not even success. You know, success is one time failure teaches you have
07:02to improve yourself constantly.
07:04Yes. What are your views or how do you view failure as in art, in work or in anything?
07:09I think failure is also a testament that you have tried. And we can only try. I don't think anything
07:17else is more important than attempting to do something which you really feel like doing. Not necessarily to do something
07:25which you don't want to do.
07:26But something which you feel like my inner calling right from the age of 14, I wanted to act.
07:33Mm hmm. People would call me an actor, but I just wanted to act.
07:38You see, and I continued to do that, and I failed, being criticized, being shouted at, being thrown out of
07:46productions, and by loved also, also loved by people, loved by directors, friends, and otherwise.
07:54But if I, if I, if I would have left after the first criticism, in my childhood, when I was
08:02like 14 years old, I was doing a play and what the hell are you doing, you know?
08:07And if that would have been a trigger, like I took it into my ego, that he doesn't respect me,
08:13I'm leaving.
08:14Mm hmm. And then I wouldn't, I wouldn't have been sitting here and talking to you about it.
08:18So I think attempting something which you truly love to do is probably the only possible thing you can do.
08:27Yeah, actually.
08:28And there is a philosophy in Japan called the nobility of failure that, you know, I, I do not, I
08:36do not exactly remember.
08:38I read it long time back that there is this nobility in failure because that means you have tried something
08:46and you attempted and you couldn't succeed.
08:51What, what success, success means also is another, you know, what, what is your definition of success?
08:57Is it that can you, you have done something and you are accepted by audience?
09:01Does it mean you are successful?
09:03You know, will other define your, that you are success, you are a successful person?
09:09Or I would define myself, what is success for me?
09:12For me, what is successful, a success is that when I feel I have attempted, I tried, I am not
09:20the best.
09:20And I am being able to accept it that I am not the best with grace and with humility.
09:26And I can sleep at night well without any help of alcohol or any kind of medicine.
09:32That's success for me.
09:33Absolutely.
09:33Peace of mind at the end of the day.
09:35Yes, absolutely.
09:36I think to sum it up, failure is that wetting stone which sharpens the blunt swords to go to war.
09:42Yes, yes, absolutely.
09:44And coming to the subject of the film, you know, it rests heavily on a couple who decide to part
09:50ways.
09:50That's what I have heard about, the broader narrative of the film.
09:53And then they decide to divide their belongings and Mr. Mazzocchi and everything.
09:58Yeah, yeah.
09:59In modern times, especially in the age of AI, mid of 2020 decades, have relationships across
10:08the board have largely changed in your opinion or they are still the same, they maintain the
10:11same essence?
10:12No, I think it has changed a lot.
10:14It has changed in so many ways.
10:16We have become fragmented society, fragmented families.
10:20Like I am away from my, I grew up in a joint family.
10:24Now I live in a nuclear family.
10:26And when you are away from somebody for a long, long time, then you forget the beauty of the
10:35nuances that my mother, my brothers, my nephews, my, you know, my other brothers had.
10:42And we become so busy with our own personal lives.
10:49So, and also so many other factors which have come in to, you are more independent, you feel
10:58more autonomous, you can take decisions.
11:01Um, your integrity, the definition of your integrity changes, uh, because the society has
11:08changed so much from like, for example, I'll give an example in my childhood, in my hometown,
11:15the most respected people were the professors and teachers.
11:18And I remember still that a professor becoming a professor is the highest goal, you know, that
11:24you are a man of knowledge.
11:28You are a man of Saraswati.
11:30Now, Lakshmi has taken over.
11:32And the entire world is following Lakshmi.
11:36And I have nothing against Lakshmi.
11:38Of course, we all need a little bit of money to, you know, to, to live well, not only to
11:43survive.
11:44But then that should be, uh, that, but that Lakshmi should be led by Saraswati.
11:50It's the opposite which is happening.
11:51It's not even happening.
11:52I mean, I don't think Saraswati is anywhere nearby.
11:55In every strata, every section of our society, not even in education, ironically, not even in
12:03health industry, not even in politics, not even in bureaucracy or judiciary, for example.
12:08So, I think we are, uh, in one of the most, um, difficult time in terms of how our mindset
12:17has changed,
12:17which will definitely, um, influence every mind.
12:22And young, impressionable people, those who are growing up at this age, they're, what, what are the examples they're seeing?
12:29You know, the, the, the elder ones, what are the, there is no example in front of them to emulate.
12:35You know, it's, it's very, very difficult for them to check and the values of being in a relationship.
12:41What is loyalty?
12:42What is being, um, in, what is commitment?
12:46All these things are completely eroded.
12:49Uh, I feel, but I still am optimistic that we still have time and I hope that we can go
12:55back.
12:56Not go back, go forward, uh, with some kind of, uh, uh, vision, uh, with our lives and our families
13:05and society and the country.
13:07Absolutely.
13:08And continuing further on that, you know, it was said that internet is supposed to, you know, make everyone knowledgeable.
13:14Uh, because you have a lot of access to a lot of information through the internet.
13:17But as you mentioned that, you know, Lakshmi has taken over, it's, it's not, no longer the Saraswati that is
13:22leading.
13:23Do you think that the internet has struck in an ironical bolt of lightning on the, uh, mankind?
13:29I somehow, yeah, I understand your question, but it's a very complex, uh, situation with the internet.
13:34Because there are so many things that I've learned from it.
13:37Mm-hmm.
13:37And, um, but it also is a junkyard, um, of information.
13:43Yeah.
13:43I think knowledge is something where there is coherence, cohesiveness in the flow of, like, what you're wanting.
13:52Mm-hmm.
13:53And if your wanting is not influenced by the algorithm.
13:56Mm-hmm.
13:57And if it is influenced by the algorithm, then you are already, uh, what do you call that?
14:02You are indoctrinated.
14:04Mm-hmm.
14:04By the market force.
14:06But if you are an original thinker.
14:08And you are originally very loyal to your original intent.
14:13Mm-hmm.
14:13What do you want to become in life?
14:15And then you follow to find things which will help you to become better.
14:22Mm-hmm.
14:22Uh, with the information which you are getting from the, but then you have to be able to process
14:27it also.
14:28And then you practice those things in life.
14:32Mm-hmm.
14:32Then it becomes wisdom.
14:33I probably, that's what I, I, I think.
14:36And, um, so it, it's a monster.
14:39Mm-hmm.
14:39But then we have to find the beauty in the beast.
14:42Absolutely.
14:43Uh, which is also true with AI.
14:45Uh, but the problem with AI is that it is, it has taken all the datas without asking permission
14:52from you or me or anybody else for that matter exploiting lot of people in the villages.
14:57Mm-hmm.
14:57I have seen this beautiful film called Human in the Loop.
15:00Mm-hmm.
15:01If you have seen that.
15:02Oh, I have not seen it.
15:02Oh, you must see it.
15:03It's an Indian film.
15:04Okay.
15:05And, uh, they are exploiting lot of people in the villages to train the AI.
15:11Mm-hmm.
15:11And they are taking your work, my work without our permission.
15:15And then few people on the planet are getting richer.
15:18Mm-hmm.
15:18Without giving us any benefit of that.
15:20That's true.
15:20So, uh, it is a monster which we have created.
15:25And I think, uh, it is not intelligence at all.
15:29Mm-hmm.
15:29I think it is just, uh, it's a, it's a grinder of all the data which already human beings have
15:35created.
15:36So, nothing original about it.
15:37Yeah.
15:37Whatsoever.
15:38It is just for mediocre people.
15:41Mm-hmm.
15:41It can be used to sort of enhance their mediocrity.
15:44Mm-hmm.
15:44It is not genuine.
15:46It's not creative.
15:47It's not, uh, it's not artistic at all.
15:50Mm-hmm.
15:51So, um, yes, internet can become, uh, internet is like, there are a lot of things you have
15:58to filter through.
15:59But the danger is that before you filter even, Google is suggesting lot of things to you.
16:04And you get influenced by it.
16:05Right.
16:06So, unless you are a person with tremendous mental power.
16:11You are going to drown in it.
16:14Mm-hmm.
16:15Okay.
16:15Okay.
16:15And for my last question, uh, in one of the previous questions you mentioned this word,
16:19you know, how politics have changed, how interpersonal dynamics between people have changed.
16:23Uh, what are your views on the current political climate across the country?
16:26You know, with the youth of finally waking up.
16:29But see, the politicians did not land from Mars.
16:31They are the product of our society.
16:33So am I, so are you.
16:35Yeah, absolutely.
16:35So before I point fingers to the politicians, though they, they went and advertised themselves
16:41and they had gone and begged votes, they should be way more responsible than what they are right
16:47now.
16:47And so do, and also the people, those who are doing art, those who are making films, influencing
16:53tremendous amount of people on the planet.
16:55Mm-hmm.
16:56Right?
16:56Yeah.
16:56The filmmaker is influencing a lot of people.
17:00Yeah.
17:00Like thousands and millions of people.
17:03Every day.
17:03Yeah.
17:03Every day.
17:04You know, through their films, through their whatever vertical films or whatever they do.
17:09So how responsible are we?
17:11Mm-hmm.
17:11So why would we only point our fingers to the politicians and to the filmmakers?
17:16Filmmakers are also very powerful people because they are, so are the politicians.
17:22So they must look within and find out what am I doing for our children?
17:27Mm-hmm.
17:27What am I going?
17:28What am I living behind?
17:29What kind of planet, a country I am living behind for our next generations?
17:34But that thought has to be instilled with, um, with intensity so that they truly feel it.
17:44That what, what kind of planet, country, society, my family I am going to leave behind.
17:50Only Lakshmi will not help you.
17:52Yeah.
17:53You might have Lakshmi, but your children are suffering from X number of diseases, mental
17:57diseases, which is, you can see in America, every fifth person has a psychiatrist.
18:02So what kind of society are we even emulating?
18:05You know what I mean?
18:07So we must, uh, reflect and find a way out.
18:11And, uh, the politicians, of course, should be very educated in the first place.
18:17They must know what is happening in the world.
18:19And, uh, I don't think that is happening.
18:21Yeah.
18:22Unfortunately.
18:23Okay.
18:23Perfect.
18:24And I am tempted to ask one last question.
18:25This is coming from.
18:25You are saying last question for last three times.
18:28Okay.
18:29Uh, this is coming from more of a personal space from me.
18:31Yeah.
18:31I want to understand the thought process of an accomplished artist.
18:35Uh, in your opinion, what weighs more heavily?
18:38Is it the guilt or the regret for any human being?
18:40In your opinion, what is more heavier, a guilt or the regret for any human being in your opinion?
18:45Since you have played very many characters.
18:46I, I do not entertain either.
18:49Mm-hmm.
18:49I do not entertain guilt.
18:50I do not entertain regret.
18:52Because I do not want to go backward.
18:56This I had learned while acting.
18:58Okay.
18:58And one of my teachers, while I was acting and I was doing something and suddenly I stopped
19:02because he said, it's not happening.
19:04I am like, oh, God, I am so sorry.
19:07He said, Adil, don't say sorry.
19:08You, you, you detect that you made a mistake.
19:13Mm-hmm.
19:13Don't look back and be there with the guilt.
19:17Just look forward and correct it.
19:19So, I do not think regret and guilt has any place.
19:22Mm-hmm.
19:23In my life.
19:24Yeah.
19:24I must learn from my mistake.
19:27Absolutely.
19:27There is no doubt about it.
19:29And guilt.
19:30Guilt is when you stay in your mistake for longer than you require.
19:34Yeah.
19:34You might stay in your guilt for a second or two.
19:36Mm-hmm.
19:37If you have practiced enough.
19:39Otherwise, there are, I have seen people being in guilt and then ruining their lives.
19:43And then taking antidepressant and all that.
19:46It's not easy what I am saying.
19:48It's, it's simple what I am saying but not easy to practice.
19:51I know that.
19:52But so, guilt and regret has no place in my life at all whatsoever.
19:55Mm-hmm.
19:56I make hundreds of mistakes.
19:57I look at it and I try to go forward so that I don't make it again.
20:02Yeah.
20:03Okay.
20:03Perfect.
20:03So, that we have reached the end of this conversation.
20:05If there is anything that I may have missed asking or something that you would have loved
20:07to talk about.
20:08So, please feel free.
20:08I can keep talking for next eight hours but I don't think I should do that.
20:12Lovely talking to you.
20:13Likewise.
20:14Thank you, sir.
20:14It was an honor and a pleasure.
20:15Pleasure.
20:16Pleasure.
20:16Pleasure.
20:16as a dancer.
20:17It is.
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