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00:00Another day, and we wait longer.
00:04Coming around to my side now?
00:05You doing that?
00:07No, well now there's no chance.
00:08Not you, but they are.
00:09Now I'm dug in.
00:12Volnick has come to my side.
00:15It's not that I don't want him to come.
00:16I want him to come here.
00:18What did Volnick say?
00:19We have to get this right now, because I've been accused.
00:22Apparently, yeah, we gotta get the Volnick clip,
00:24because old Mother Hubbard down the hallway
00:27is just gonna come in here and beat me with a baseball bat
00:29if I don't get it right.
00:30My God, he's been on my ass all morning.
00:34There's a point now it's gonna be awkward
00:36when I go out in the hallway.
00:38Do you have that clip of Volnick?
00:40Yeah, who are you calling old Mother Hubbard real quick?
00:43Keith Britton.
00:44Okay.
00:46Well, I'm serious.
00:47Like, every single day.
00:48You didn't even want to walk down and use the bathroom.
00:50Because I know it, because I went after him in a text,
00:53because it's like, dude, give me a minute, okay?
00:55Can I have a breather for a second?
00:58Can you stop just busting my ass every single moment
01:01of every single day, for the love of God?
01:04Okay?
01:04I can't get it all right.
01:06And by the way, I got it all right.
01:08I think it's he who's the one who got it wrong.
01:09You're just wanting me to get in trouble, Mark.
01:11Oh, that's not true.
01:12That's what you're doing.
01:13Because I kept saying, okay.
01:14That's not what I'm about.
01:15And Owen goes, you're handling this very well.
01:17And I go, thank you very much.
01:19And he kept going, and I finally went, all right, gloves are off.
01:21Now I gotta...
01:22I'm here to protect you, Ken.
01:23And what sucks, the worst thing about it, is that what can I do?
01:27What am I the worst at?
01:28Not my willpower when it comes to food, which is the worst.
01:31What's the second worst thing I'm doing?
01:33What's the third worst thing I'm at?
01:35Holding a grudge.
01:35Oh, yeah.
01:36I can't hold a grudge.
01:37And he knows it.
01:38That's the problem.
01:40When you are with the...
01:41If you don't hold a grudge, one of the worst things you can do,
01:44if you don't know how to hold a grudge,
01:45if you can't do it, and another person knows you can't hold a grudge,
01:48they win every time.
01:50Because I can't do it.
01:51Neither can Tone.
01:52Tone can't hold grudge.
01:52We have that whole week of grudge matches coming up.
01:55It's true.
01:55Bad for you.
01:56So let me hear Jake Volnick last night.
01:58I think he came to my side, hit it.
02:00Those words might come out of my mouth.
02:01Like, just make a decision already.
02:03I don't even care where it is.
02:04Understand that any time I say that, I'm lying.
02:06I need it to be Cleveland.
02:07I want it to be Cleveland.
02:08I'm banking as a Cavs fan on it being Cleveland.
02:12There's also a part of me that a week ago, two weeks ago,
02:15I would have been much more excited about this news than I am today.
02:17Like, even if I get, hey, LeBron's coming home,
02:19it's going to be like, finally.
02:20It's about time that he actually made his decision.
02:23There is a part of me that is slightly turned away from
02:26how long this has taken that makes it, again,
02:28not less that I want you here, but makes the decision less desirable.
02:32I am not waiting on pins and needles the way I was.
02:34I am not sitting here just wanting that type of information,
02:38needing that type of information.
02:39It's like, I'm going to be less excited about LeBron being here
02:42because of this.
02:43And it's not going to turn away from, you know,
02:45I'm not going to be excited, but I'm going to be less excited.
02:47It is just, I mean, the end of a really long movie.
02:53So, this is where I'm getting at here.
02:56Is, I think, I do think he's coming to my side.
03:00And I don't like that I keep hearing from people,
03:03well, the longer he takes, the less convinced I am of him coming here.
03:06It's like, well, I want him to come here.
03:09And I still do.
03:10I'm not, I'm trying not to be mad,
03:12but I think that you're going to get a residual effect
03:15of him not coming here.
03:17I think it's going to be really,
03:18it's going to make the relationship between the fan base
03:21and the team even worse.
03:22If he doesn't come.
03:23If he doesn't come here.
03:24Because now it's been three weeks.
03:26It feels, I don't think he had a real chance in hell
03:30at Giannis Antetokounmpo by the time it was all said and done.
03:32Maybe back in February, certainly not now.
03:34I don't think he had a chance at Giannis Antetokounmpo,
03:36but it's going to feel like we missed out on Giannis.
03:38I really, from judging what it seemed,
03:40what Boston is interested in,
03:43didn't seem like you had a big chance at Jalen Brown,
03:47but it's going to feel like you missed out on Jalen Brown.
03:49And then you wait around for LeBron,
03:51LeBron doesn't pick you,
03:53and it's going to be bad for LeBron.
03:55Okay, fine, but that'll go away in 10 years anyway
03:57when he comes back for the next reunion
03:59and gets his jersey retired and all the other stuff.
04:02But it's going to be really bad for this iteration of the Cavs
04:05because every night they go out and if they play poorly at all,
04:08if they play great and they beat everybody by 30,
04:10you will get some people puffing their chest,
04:12we don't need LeBron.
04:13But if they go out there and they have kind of the same record
04:16to start out the season that they did this last year,
04:1817-16, somewhere in there,
04:20boy, you're going to catch a lot of hell.
04:22And it's going to be,
04:22this is why LeBron didn't want to come back.
04:24This is why highlights here and there,
04:26this, that, and the other.
04:27Totally unfair, but totally what you're going to get.
04:30But I wonder in that case if they'll blame LeBron
04:32or they'll blame the team when it comes to that.
04:34That is a different conversation.
04:36Well, that's not a different conversation,
04:38but I think it's a good question.
04:39But I don't have the answer for it right now, I should say.
04:42Look, there is a select minority
04:44that really, really question if it even helps the team.
04:50And to me, that's crazy
04:51because this is such a massive upgrade.
04:54I think it's what they're telling themselves
04:56to feel better about the possibility of him not coming here.
04:59Oh, I wonder.
05:00Yeah, that could be the case too.
05:01I think that that's the way it is.
05:02But I think he's a massive upgrade,
05:05even if it's only going to be 50 times in a regular season.
05:08You know, this is about a playoff team.
05:11And look, like there are questions about
05:13what the spacing is going to be like
05:16if too many cooks in the kitchen
05:18when it comes to ball handlers.
05:20Those are all fair questions.
05:21But one thing I could tell you is
05:23the setup that we had the last four years,
05:26that's Jared Allen and Evan Mobley.
05:28I have questions about that.
05:30Well, I hate to burst this bubble,
05:31but I think a lot of people were like,
05:32fit this, fit that.
05:33You're not going to find the perfect fit anymore.
05:34It's a different league.
05:36You can only do so much.
05:37Like, I know you guys got together in Miami
05:39and you made the salaries work
05:41and everybody worked together
05:42and that's about a perfect fit you're going to find.
05:44I know you came back to Cleveland.
05:46You kept Kyrie.
05:47You brought Kevin in here.
05:49You got what you wanted.
05:50Even that really wasn't a perfect fit,
05:51but you got what you wanted here.
05:52It's not going to be that way.
05:54First, you're too old.
05:54Second, it's a different CBA.
05:57He's got to make the best basketball decision possible.
06:00I understand that,
06:01but he also has to make the best legacy decision possible.
06:03And I'm looking at the Cavs going,
06:04what more could the guy want?
06:06Sorry, these are good basketball players.
06:08It's a good team.
06:09It wasn't Eastern Conference Finals team.
06:11They didn't win a game.
06:12If they wouldn't want a game
06:13in the Eastern Conference Finals,
06:14would people be more willing to say
06:15that they were an Eastern Conference Finals team?
06:18Because I'm like,
06:18you guys were an Eastern Conference Finals team.
06:20People go, oh, shut up.
06:21Like, well, they were.
06:22Or they just didn't win a game,
06:24so maybe it didn't count to a lot of people.
06:26But you were one of the four final teams playing.
06:29These are good players.
06:30What more could you possibly want?
06:32And so I'm tired of begging.
06:34It's been three weeks,
06:35and I don't understand how some people,
06:37the guy down the hallway,
06:39doesn't understand why I would be tired of it
06:41after three weeks.
06:43You know, the thing is, though,
06:44he's been worth begging for in the past.
06:47For 20 years.
06:48And are you suggesting that maybe he's just not,
06:50the juice isn't worth the squeeze in this?
06:52No, it's worth the squeeze
06:53because of our history together.
06:54I'm telling you right now,
06:55if you and I were at WIP in Philadelphia,
06:57I'd be saying a far different thing.
06:59But because of the history,
07:00I know he's worth the squeeze.
07:03Hell, come on now.
07:05Hey, I'm upset,
07:06but I'm not going to say things I can't take back.
07:09I'm trying my damnedest
07:10to not say things I can't take back
07:12because I'm a basket case.
07:13But I'm telling you right now,
07:14if we were in Philly, right,
07:16I'd be going,
07:17why are we falling all over ourselves for this guy?
07:18He's never been here before.
07:20He's never once feigned any interest other than now.
07:23I understand that Joel Embiid's hurt all the time.
07:26We've got a great team.
07:27We can deal with this as it is.
07:28We've got Jalen Brown here.
07:29Do we really need LeBron?
07:31And then throw out the number.
07:33And I would feel that way if I were in Philly.
07:35Hell, I might feel that way
07:36if I was at 95-7 the game in San Francisco.
07:39If I was at wherever in San Antonio or wherever.
07:42But it's Cleveland.
07:43And I feel a personal attachment
07:46because he's from here
07:47because we watched him play in high school.
07:48So, no, it's a different conversation.
07:50And for all those reasons,
07:51it's like, why are you taking three weeks to do this?
07:53Just make your decision.
07:54We can have a celebration that you came back here.
07:56Or I guess we can start licking our wounds.
07:58Because the longer it comes,
07:59the more negative the reaction is becoming.
08:03There's no chance he's retiring, right?
08:06Would that shock you?
08:07That would shock me.
08:08It would be the one,
08:09I think it would be the one situation
08:11where I don't think a lot of people should be mad at him.
08:13If he was just like, you know what?
08:14I've been testing my back out these last three weeks.
08:17And the sciatic is too bad.
08:18I want to go.
08:19I want to do the right thing.
08:20I can't do it.
08:21I can't make a go of the guys.
08:22I'm out.
08:23If he announced his retirement,
08:24it'd be the most shocking decision he could make.
08:27I would be shocked.
08:28Yes.
08:28And then the next day,
08:30the way I would deal with that,
08:33and yes, this would be a coping mechanism.
08:35I'd say start building the statue now.
08:37Well, I would do that anyway,
08:38but I'd assume he'd be rejoining at some point later in the season.
08:45If they're doing it in the NFL,
08:46why can't he do it in the NBA?
08:47Well, and then that's a story too.
08:49And he does love the attention.
08:52Let's not act like part of this isn't milking this
08:55and trying to generate headlines.
08:56He could go, guys, I can't do it right now.
08:59Maybe I'll retire.
09:00And I'm sure in his own way,
09:02maybe he'd leave the door open.
09:03Maybe I got to go to Germany for two weeks.
09:06We've seen star basketball players do that before.
09:09Turkey?
09:09Well, Turkey.
09:10That's a different reason.
09:12Then we'd have to see him at the food court.
09:15Can't let those people take pictures of you.
09:17It's the continental breakfast.
09:18I think that's where they see him.
09:20That would be a shocking decision,
09:21but that would be the one to be like,
09:22oh yeah, I got nothing nasty to say to him.
09:24But I just feel bad because if he picks Cleveland,
09:27it's going to be great.
09:28And yes, everybody's going to be excited and celebrate
09:31and all that other stuff,
09:32except for the people who hate him,
09:33but they're probably not listening to this anyway.
09:35But if he doesn't pick Cleveland,
09:38they're going to call in,
09:39they're going to cuss him out.
09:41And I don't want to do that.
09:44We got great memories with the guy.
09:45So you've taken this so long,
09:47like if he would have just done this
09:49and then two weeks ago went,
09:50you know what?
09:50I'm going to join the Miami heat.
09:52All right, we'll get over it.
09:53But it's been three weeks
09:55and it just feels like you're playing
09:56with people's emotions.
09:58Miami has taken over.
09:59According to the emails we just got,
10:00Miami's taken over the odds
10:02and both in the prediction markets
10:04and in Vegas,
10:06Miami,
10:07now the front runner to land LeBron James.
10:10Does anybody really know what he's thinking?
10:13Or people are just throwing bets on willy-nilly?
10:18I think that's a big part of it.
10:20Okay.
10:21So they're just throwing on bets willy-nilly.
10:26216474-0092.
10:29Jeff in Cleveland.
10:31Hello.
10:32Good morning, gentlemen.
10:33All right.
10:34So don't take this personally when I say this,
10:37but I take everything personally.
10:39The media's job, obviously,
10:42is to have something to talk about.
10:44Otherwise, you wouldn't have, you know,
10:45the morning show that you do.
10:46But if nobody knows what he's doing,
10:50the people that are creating this,
10:53oh, he should have decided earlier,
10:55it's the media.
10:57You know,
10:57you look at everyone from Wendy to Simmons,
11:00everyone else,
11:01everyone says,
11:02I have a source.
11:02It's going to be announced.
11:04Oh, done deal.
11:05And everyone is...
11:07I will say,
11:08I think Wendy has been pretty exasperated by this
11:10and hasn't,
11:11but I haven't heard everything Wendy says.
11:13But from what I can gather,
11:15he hasn't been part of that group.
11:16But a lot of people,
11:17I mean, good God,
11:18even Patrick Beverly got involved in it yesterday there, Jeff.
11:20Go ahead.
11:21Exactly.
11:21Like, no one has an answer.
11:26They put it out there, obviously, for traction.
11:29But if we didn't talk about this,
11:31think of if one of you guys were getting recruited
11:32to, you know,
11:34to another radio station.
11:35You're going to take the time that you need
11:37to decide,
11:38is it worth taking your family?
11:40And, you know,
11:40is it worth the pay raise?
11:42It took a hell a lot less than three weeks,
11:43I'll tell you that.
11:45Well, I don't know.
11:46I would just say that
11:47if we just let the process happen,
11:49and I hate that I even just said that.
11:51You've got to trust the process.
11:52Wherever he chooses,
11:53you know,
11:54wherever he chooses,
11:55he chooses.
11:55We have no control.
11:57But I think the less we talk about it,
11:59maybe talk about how,
12:00you know,
12:00the Guardians have been doing great.
12:02But we did discuss that.
12:04If LeBron comes back,
12:04then all is good.
12:06They did great yesterday.
12:07Have they been doing great?
12:08Because the weekend says they did.
12:10They finished the first half
12:11with a sweep.
12:12They did.
12:13See,
12:13now we can have a debate
12:14if the Guardians are really doing great.
12:16Because over the weekend,
12:17they were terrible.
12:17And then last night,
12:18they scored 13 runs
12:19and had seven home runs.
12:20See,
12:21this is the beauty of baseball.
12:22And then they'll probably score three runs
12:23the rest of the series.
12:24But we,
12:25now what are you doing,
12:26Jeff?
12:26You're trying to convince me
12:27that the Guardians are doing well.
12:28And what did you just say?
12:30Which,
12:31Jeff,
12:31I'm serious about this.
12:32And thank you so much for the call
12:33and playing along with it.
12:35I couldn't believe
12:35how many people were saying that yesterday.
12:37And I also couldn't believe
12:38that I was agreeing with all of them going,
12:40yeah,
12:40they're going to lose one nothing tomorrow night.
12:42It was so many people.
12:45Traditionally,
12:45the Twins,
12:47those have been one-run games.
12:48Yes.
12:49Yeah.
12:49True.
12:50For like five years.
12:52Like there were so many people going,
12:53this is great.
12:54We're scoring 13 runs
12:56and so many.
12:57You know what that means.
12:59All right.
12:59Yeah,
13:00I know.
13:02They're not necessarily
13:03the best hitting team out there,
13:05but.
13:06Well,
13:06they were dead last in home runs,
13:07right?
13:08Before yesterday?
13:09Well,
13:09they scored,
13:10so they had seven yesterday.
13:11So where are they at now?
13:12Can't be dead last anymore,
13:14right?
13:14Yeah,
13:14you'd think that seven and a night
13:15is pretty good.
13:16That power surge got them
13:16out of the basement.
13:18All right.
13:182-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
13:20All right.
13:20Have you come to my side
13:21a little bit on this?
13:22Well,
13:23just.
13:24I'm asking them.
13:25Yeah.
13:25At this stage,
13:26I just want you to be frustrated
13:27and I want you to be inconvenienced.
13:31What?
13:33What kind of psycho are you?
13:35I enjoy hearing you complain about it.
13:37It's good radio
13:38when Ken complains.
13:39No,
13:40it's not.
13:40I don't like being frustrated.
13:42They're currently 27th in home runs.
13:44Whoa.
13:45Seven ahead of the team.
13:47We jumped three?
13:49And now imagine if they hit seven more tonight.
13:52Whoa.
13:53What if they get eight?
13:54Hey,
13:54come on.
13:56How about four?
13:57Can we shoot for four?
13:59If they can get
14:01three home runs tonight,
14:03that would put them ahead of the Marlins
14:04and the Royals,
14:06skyrocketing them all the way to 23rd place.
14:08That's a huge jump.
14:10That's a damn huge jump.
14:11Guardians home run update.
14:13It's like SEC just cracking the top 25
14:15and then one week later,
14:16like,
14:16oh,
14:16we put them at eight.
14:17Why?
14:17Well,
14:18you know why.
14:18Oh,
14:19okay.
14:20Hell yeah.
14:20Sports talk.
14:21Cleveland.
14:22Let's go.
14:26By the way,
14:27real quick.
14:27You keep saying,
14:28okay,
14:29that doesn't do anything.
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14:37Charmer says,
14:37my two boys,
14:38Nick and Zach,
14:39are at sports broadcasting camp this week.
14:41All right.
14:42Look forward to seeing you.
14:44All right.
14:45Yeah,
14:45but we've got,
14:46we've got very in-depth,
14:48comprehensive homework assignments.
14:50Do we?
14:52Oh,
14:52they have no idea.
14:53Wait till we show up.
14:56Yeah.
14:56Assignment number one,
14:57create a social media account
14:59and defend Tone about everything he says
15:00about Shador Sanders.
15:02That's going to be one.
15:03Two is going to be create another account
15:05and go after Tone for everything he's saying
15:07about Shador Sanders.
15:08That's number two.
15:10Number three,
15:14bring Owen his coffee.
15:19Not a bad lesson.
15:21I'll do my own coffee.
15:24Really?
15:25You wouldn't have someone bringing your coffee
15:27if they offered?
15:27If I offered to bring your coffee,
15:29you wouldn't do it?
15:29Probably not.
15:30Why not?
15:32I like my coffee my way.
15:34You drink it black just like I do.
15:36No,
15:36I don't.
15:37Oh,
15:37you don't?
15:37What do you put in it?
15:40A little bit.
15:42You better stop it in there.
15:44Okay.
15:46I don't want to ask another uncomfortable question.
15:48I might end up asking another uncomfortable question.
15:50See,
15:50this is,
15:51this is the issue.
15:52It's gone so long guys,
15:54is that I don't want to force myself into an opinion.
15:57I don't believe because you have to keep bringing it up
16:00because there's a lot of people saying today's going to be the day.
16:02And I'm like,
16:02you guys all thought Friday was going to be the day.
16:04And then you thought that that Monday was going to be the day
16:06and it ain't the day.
16:07So I don't know what day is going to pick.
16:09Yeah.
16:09I kind of feel like I gave that up weeks ago,
16:12trying to think that we would know when it was going to happen.
16:15I did think it started to make sense that it was going to be after the
16:18world cup.
16:19We just thought it would be like literally after the world cup or on
16:21Monday.
16:22Do you guys really think he wants to come back or are we just a fallback?
16:28I hate saying that a fallback.
16:31I don't think we're a fallback.
16:32I have to ask the question though,
16:34which might make you guys think that you're going to get mad at me just for
16:37asking the question,
16:38but I got,
16:39I got to ask the question.
16:41Do you think that he really wants to,
16:43it's been three weeks.
16:45Do you think he really wants to come back or are we a fallback?
16:50Well,
16:50I thought he did.
16:51I thought,
16:52you know,
16:53this basketball wise,
16:54despite what you may have heard by some national pundits who then some of
16:58them have since come around.
16:59I thought basketball wise,
17:01it made sense because the Cavs were a pretty good team last year and they
17:06didn't have LeBron.
17:07Like they had Dean Wade and the Dean Wade thing was,
17:12as we got further along in the playoffs becoming a disaster.
17:15And then they're like,
17:15ah,
17:16maybe we should start Max Drews.
17:18And that really didn't mean much.
17:20And this is just a huge upgrade over that position.
17:23Yes,
17:24there are,
17:24there are some challenges that they'd have to iron out on the floor,
17:27but you know,
17:29the Knicks had challenges.
17:30They were able to iron out on the floor,
17:32you know,
17:33during the playoffs.
17:34Do you think,
17:37do you think that he was hoping that somebody,
17:44would like knock his socks off to the point where it'd be so
17:47understandable going guys,
17:48he's got to go.
17:49You mean money wise?
17:50No,
17:50no,
17:50no,
17:50no,
17:50no.
17:50I mean,
17:51I mean roster wise.
17:52Like,
17:53what do you think that he was kind of hoping like,
17:55Hey,
17:56again,
17:56I have to ask uncomfortable questions because this has taken so long.
17:59And so I'm just wondering out loud here,
18:01guys,
18:01two one,
18:01six,
18:01four,
18:02seven,
18:02four,
18:02double O 92.
18:03Work with me on this.
18:04All right.
18:05I don't want this to be true,
18:06but I have to ask the question when this all started,
18:10there definitely were some teams going,
18:12listen,
18:12we can get you this,
18:13that,
18:13and the other had to happen,
18:14had to happen.
18:16And then it didn't happen.
18:17And then he said,
18:18they're going,
18:18well,
18:19do I want to really go back to Cleveland?
18:21I've done the Cleveland thing before.
18:23How could,
18:23because there's plenty of reasons why you would go back to Cleveland.
18:26It finishes the story,
18:27but you cannot finish the story better than how you did it the second time.
18:32And I understand that he was here for two more years and they lost those NBA
18:35finals.
18:36They were still in the finals.
18:37They lost those NBA finals.
18:38But I think for a lot of us,
18:39our memory stopped at 2016.
18:41It,
18:42people always have to remind me about game one with J.R.
18:45Smith.
18:45People always have to remind me about thrown bowls of soup.
18:48People always have to remind me.
18:49I do remember exactly where I was when Kyrie asked for a trade.
18:53I was on a boat in Jamestown on Lake Chautauqua.
18:56Hard to forget something like that.
18:58I remember Kyle Corver missing a wide open three.
19:00Okay.
19:00You remember that,
19:01but there's things that I have to be reminded of.
19:03Cause my memories really stop after 2016 of the second LeBron era.
19:08So there's a lot of things where I would tell him,
19:10like if,
19:10if I did not have skin in the game here,
19:12I'd be like,
19:13how can you tell the story better than what you told it already,
19:15man?
19:16Why are you going back there?
19:17Like you could find yourself making a good argument against coming back here
19:21because of legacy and go LeBron,
19:24they're going to love you no matter what.
19:25But now it's been three weeks.
19:27So if he would have just on that Tuesday,
19:30not coming back to the Lakers.
19:31Thanks for the memories that Thursday,
19:33golden state.
19:34Wow.
19:35Okay.
19:35A lot of us thought he was going to go to golden state.
19:37He's off to golden state.
19:38No harm,
19:38no foul.
19:38We got to get our work going.
19:40But now it's been three weeks and you've given people time to dream again,
19:45have hope again.
19:46And if you don't pick Cleveland now,
19:48people are going to be upset.
19:49And so it makes me wonder,
19:51it just makes me have to think,
19:53are we just to fall back for him?
19:55Was he hoping that one of these teams were going to put together another one of
19:58these teams and he was going to just be able to not just ride off into the
20:02sunset,
20:02but possibly be able to ride off into the sunset with a near guaranteed winner.
20:06And it wasn't happening.
20:07And now he's got to come to grips with having to come back to Cleveland.
20:10The only hole I would poke in that is please,
20:12I'm begging you rich Paul and whoever else,
20:16you know,
20:17is,
20:17is,
20:17is maybe there's a,
20:18you rich in the past had,
20:20you know,
20:21very good legal people underneath them that could,
20:25you know,
20:26analyze the cap and all of that and understand what teams couldn't,
20:29couldn't do.
20:30It would surprise me if rich and LeBron and their team,
20:37if that would have been,
20:38if that would have thrown them off in any way,
20:40you know what I mean?
20:40Like if,
20:41if they didn't already kind of pour over every alternative,
20:47or you hear about optionality.
20:49Now that was the big buzzword with the Boston Celtics when they got rid of
20:52Jalen Brown,
20:52but that you feel like they'd have a firm handle on what other teams could put
20:58together.
20:59And if they're surprised by that,
21:01then it's kind of like,
21:02well,
21:02they didn't do their homework,
21:03which I can't imagine they didn't.
21:05That's the only,
21:05that's the only reason that's hard for me to believe,
21:08you know,
21:09it's also very interesting.
21:10They might've done their homework,
21:10but again,
21:11when you have a bunch of people promising you different things and how they
21:14could do things like,
21:16I don't know.
21:17He's been around the league for 23 years.
21:19He knows how the league operates.
21:21Probably knows that some of that was BS,
21:22but I got to tell you,
21:25it would be hard to come back and put a cap on that career in Cleveland,
21:28knowing that there's going to be a lot of people who are judging you.
21:31And there's going to be a lot of people who want you to win.
21:33And it's hard to deliver that victory after you've already delivered that
21:37victory.
21:37So I wonder if he was hoping that there would be some sort of a Godfather offer
21:41with a team,
21:42not about money,
21:43just about roster that it would be hard for him to say no.
21:47And here we are three weeks later and he's going,
21:49Oh my God,
21:49I think I do have to go back to Cleveland and he might not.
21:52And guys,
21:53because of the history,
21:54not that he doesn't like it here.
21:55I know he likes it here.
21:56That's not what I'm pointing out,
21:57but it is,
21:58you know,
21:59it's a,
21:59it's a massive undertaking what he'd be taken on again.
22:02Well,
22:02you know,
22:02the other thing that I,
22:03I've found it interesting and just trying to follow either breadcrumbs or
22:08reporting on any of the places that he could go in terms of a destination is
22:13that every city has been ruled out at one point,
22:17except Cleveland.
22:18It's true.
22:19Every time there is a report,
22:21Philly's now out.
22:22Minnesota is now out.
22:23Who just said Philly was out by the way.
22:24Was that Elliot Shore Parks?
22:26Yes,
22:26it was.
22:26Okay.
22:27Yeah.
22:27Golden State is now out.
22:29Philly Daryl said they were out.
22:30Yeah.
22:30That,
22:31that,
22:31that it was more about other clients or Rich Paul than it was about LeBron.
22:36It was always going to be Cleveland for LeBron.
22:38Look,
22:38the Cleveland has been the one consistent.
22:40That's not me wish casting or hoping.
22:43I'm just telling you,
22:44we've seen the only one that's consistently every report.
22:47It's true.
22:48Cleveland has never been eliminated.
22:50Now,
22:50if it turns out that Cleveland's never been eliminated because we were always used
22:55as the fallback or as leverage for LeBron to coerce other destinations,
23:02then that will be crappy.
23:03Ken,
23:04then you might have me on your side when all is said and done.
23:07See,
23:07and I don't,
23:07but I don't want to,
23:08I on my side just means that people will be annoyed and mad and say nasty
23:14things at him.
23:15I have said it so many times.
23:17I can't allow myself to do it.
23:18I can't go back on my word.
23:20I've been challenged by you.
23:21I've been challenged by Keith.
23:22I've been challenged by Owen.
23:23I've been challenged by everybody going.
23:24If he doesn't pick Cleveland,
23:26you wait,
23:26you're going to be lining up to say some nasty things.
23:28I go,
23:29no,
23:29I've said it and I'm not going to say nasty things.
23:31I have a great memory of,
23:32of what happened in 2016.
23:33And I do think it's hard to live up to that billing.
23:37It would just not mean as much to go somewhere else and finish the career
23:43where if you don't win a championship,
23:45you can win a championship in Philly.
23:46But if you don't,
23:47it just pops right there in the middle of the court.
23:50Honestly,
23:50it's just a dog going to the bathroom in the living room.
23:53And it's like,
23:54well,
23:54okay,
23:54I guess I got to clean this up over here.
23:56Still love it,
23:57but there's nothing good when it comes to Cleveland.
24:00There's a whole mess of memories there.
24:02And I do wonder,
24:03because I have nothing to do,
24:05but time to wonder and to,
24:06and to try to figure out my own psyche.
24:10And does it,
24:12I remember bringing it up with you months ago when we first got really
24:17talking about this in some way that is he ready to admit that it's almost
24:23over?
24:25And would Cleveland be pushing him to admit that it's over?
24:28Like I keep bringing up,
24:29eh,
24:29maybe a two-year deal,
24:30maybe a two-year deal.
24:31Like we all get to that time,
24:33but you remember,
24:33like,
24:34I'm going to use a weird thing here.
24:35You remember Rusty Wallace came on the show a couple of times.
24:38I know we'll get to him.
24:39You remember when we had Rusty Wallace other than when you messed with him and
24:43said,
24:43you came from a long line.
24:44No,
24:44that was Tyler Reddick.
24:45You said you came from a long line of dirt track races.
24:47I think you actually played it straight with Rusty Wallace.
24:48No,
24:49he definitely lied to Rusty.
24:50What did he lie to Rusty about?
24:51About the dirt track family.
24:53I thought that was Tyler though.
24:55It was probably both.
24:56It was probably both actually.
24:57Yeah.
24:57Okay.
24:58So we had Rusty Wallace on.
25:00It was Roland Martin about the bass fishers.
25:01And Rusty.
25:04That's a good memory.
25:06We got to get Bill Dance on.
25:09You had mentioned or Rusty had mentioned to you that some about regrets.
25:15And he said,
25:16I don't know why I convinced myself that I had to walk away.
25:19I still had two,
25:22three solid good seasons remaining.
25:24And for whatever reason,
25:26I wasn't ready to retire.
25:28And I talked myself into retiring and it was the great regret.
25:32And it's not where he's trying to hold on at the back end of a roster here.
25:37You have still,
25:38if you've watched the playoffs at all this year,
25:40or you watch the Lakers at all this last season,
25:42there are still moments of brilliance and moments of greatness and moments,
25:46not all the time,
25:47not every night,
25:48not as consistent,
25:50but there's moments where he does things that other guys just can't do.
25:55And if other guys are capable of doing it,
25:57they haven't found it yet.
25:59Like if Wemby's capable of doing it,
26:01he's not ready to do it yet.
26:03LeBron can do it on a lot of big nights.
26:07And I think that messes with you going,
26:09do I really want to close this chapter?
26:11I bet he has a lot of fun.
26:12Like there's going to be things that he's going to miss fun on the plane,
26:15fun in the hotel,
26:17fun at practice and shoot around and golfing with your teammates and fitting in
26:22and all those other things that come with a professional.
26:25I mean,
26:25it's been 23 years.
26:27There are people who work at jobs for seven more years and they retire.
26:31He's been a professional basketball player for 23 years.
26:35It's hard to let go of something like that,
26:37that you love.
26:38And I do,
26:40I have to ask if he believes it's an admission of his own mortality.
26:44I just,
26:45what did I get done talking about with Tom Brady yesterday?
26:47Tom Brady had to basically force himself out.
26:49He broke up his own marriage because he still wanted to play football for crying out loud.
26:53And I still think he's,
26:54I still think he's dealing with not being in the spotlight as a famous professional football player
26:59in the legend,
27:00the way that Tom Brady is to the point where he has to snoop to slapping Paul brothers in the
27:03face.
27:04Do you think LeBron will retire and go from rich Paul to Logan Paul?
27:092-1-6-4-7-4-0-92.
27:12He will not,
27:13well,
27:13I would say,
27:14you know,
27:14the Pauls are entertaining to some degree.
27:16I don't know.
27:17So is,
27:17what if we found out rich Paul was a Paul brother?
27:25This is not why LeBron needs to make his decision as soon as possible.
27:30I don't know.
27:31Are you entertained by the Paul brothers?
27:32No.
27:33I was going to say two Paul,
27:33the Paul brothers are entertaining,
27:35but so are two cats having sex on the side of the road,
27:37but you kind of just keep moving on with your day.
27:38They were really good on Vine video back in the day,
27:41that Vine app,
27:42and that's how they,
27:43there was one video that they shouldn't have done.
27:45One problematic one.
27:46Yes,
27:46indeed.
27:48That wasn't a good one.
27:51I miss Vine.
27:54I love Vine.
27:55I used to shoot a lot of video of fans at games doing funny things.
27:59Vine was fun.
28:01Jim Norton on Vine was the best.
28:03It's Chip Chippison.
28:04Who is the guy from Mad TV who's so good on there?
28:06Will Sasso?
28:07Yes.
28:07Is it?
28:08It was Will Sasso.
28:09He was amazing.
28:10I had no idea until last year he was that good at impressions.
28:14The wrestler,
28:15the Ric Flair,
28:16like he not only the mannerisms,
28:18but the actual lisp that Ric Flair has.
28:20That is unbelievable.
28:21It was unbelievable.
28:21It was unbelievable.
28:21It was unbelievable.
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