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ITL reacts to reports that Arnold's coaching staff didn't know about his release and discusses what it could mean for Houston.
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00:00We had kind of a, I wouldn't say a bombshell, but for this time of year, it felt like a
00:04bombshell that Terryon Arnold, the embattled former cornerback of the Detroit Lions, was reportedly had not just interest, but was
00:12planning, if not already engaging with four teams on the possibility of like going through a workout and physical in
00:19order to be, you know, possibly those teams being the Houston Texans.
00:24And so that immediately kind of raised eyebrows.
00:26That was the bombshell right there.
00:27Yes, very much, very much raised eyebrows because he is facing, what, eight felony counts?
00:33Just eight?
00:34Right now, yes, just eight.
00:35That's it.
00:35Didn't even get to ten.
00:37Just eight felony counts.
00:38We bring you in for a workout.
00:39That's cool.
00:39And a physical.
00:40Yes, and a physical.
00:42I know that's kidnapping within there, but just wanted to be as accurate as possible.
00:46This is one of those things that I think over the weekend we've kind of had conversations about it, and
00:50I think a lot of people fall in line with a few different thought processes on it, whether it's, hey,
00:57man,
00:57it's a low-risk, high-reward type circumstance.
00:59He's a young guy, first-round pick a few years back, had an okay first year, maybe a step down
01:05second year.
01:06And so is this a depreciate or depressed, rather, asset that you could get for cheap?
01:10Yeah.
01:11And, you know, if there's a risk, you cut him, and then if not, you bring him through.
01:16The question I've always had through this is we have not even really started the trial for him.
01:21Like, there's no resolution there.
01:22And so is there something that we don't know that they know, whether it's the Texans or, you know, the
01:28other three teams, or, you know, maybe even Terry on Arnold's team,
01:32that would indicate that, oh, man, the proceedings of this are not as, you know, in-depth as you would
01:39think.
01:39And so, no, this is going to be all good.
01:41And I think other people would lean towards, well, then, what did the Lions know that ultimately led them to
01:48cut him?
01:48Well, I've heard from a pretty, you know, pretty, I don't know, substantial, I guess, for lack of a better
01:55way of saying it, source.
01:56Reliable?
01:57Reliable, thank you, is the word I was looking for.
01:59That none of his coaches, Terry on Detroit, knew that he was being released.
02:04Yeah.
02:05I immediately, when I first heard it, I was like, man, is this some level of, hey, this is a
02:08culture thing?
02:09Because I know that Dan Campbell is very much a player's coach, but he is an accountability guy.
02:13Like, he feels like D'Amico Ryan's in Detroit, right?
02:16He has that kind of ethos.
02:18And so I was wondering how much of this feels like a statement.
02:21And that's not what this is.
02:22Like, this comes either from the front office or ownership.
02:26Like, that's how I read what I've heard.
02:28And so, does that at all change the way that you view this?
02:31Because, you know, their decision to release him very, very quickly felt very decisive.
02:36And I wondered how much of that was like on a player level, like on a team level.
02:39No, no, this is an executive level decision.
02:43And that kind of raised my eyebrows, John.
02:45I could see where that happens.
02:46It doesn't change anything with me.
02:49I think a lot of people know, but a lot of people don't know, coaches sometimes are just as late
02:55to hear about things like this as anyone, including the draft.
02:58People think, like, you know, you see this big war room and everybody's, you know, putting in their two sants
03:04and there's coaches in there.
03:05There's some coaches not in there.
03:06In a lot of drafts, assistant coaches are just altogether not even in the room.
03:11And they find out when we find out, whether it's the draft, you know, acquisitions like this, even tryouts.
03:17I've seen guys like, wait, they're trying, you know, in terms of like we, like I've heard Texans, you know,
03:23coaches say, wait, that happened?
03:24But, you know, like, no, they're often the last.
03:27So it really doesn't change my view on what happened.
03:31What it does affect is I think they knew something.
03:36The Lions knew something.
03:38And so how does that translate to the interest in him?
03:43Because they clearly are getting some of the same information.
03:45Right.
03:46And where's this information coming from?
03:47Because one would ostensibly think that the Lions have probably as good of a, as an information source on what's
03:55happening here is pretty much anyone.
03:57And a lot of the information that we've heard, I think you could probably, especially in the ways that they've
04:02been fairly positive, you could probably lean on Terry Arnold's team.
04:05His agent are probably trying to create an environment that is, you know, amenable to him finding another job and
04:11continuing his NFL career.
04:13Obviously, they have gotten victories in the court when it comes to him not having to wear a GPS monitoring,
04:18right, so he could keep playing football.
04:19So maybe you could say that the court seemed to lean more favorably to him in his case.
04:23Yeah.
04:23But I'm just, I'm surprised that teams are this, this, I don't know, progressive towards the idea of adding him,
04:30especially when it seems like the Lions made this move.
04:33And maybe they made this move from a higher level on we just don't want to deal with this.
04:37Yeah.
04:37There's also the idea of maybe they just, they already felt like a little bit of buyer's remorse on him,
04:41and so they wanted to get rid of him, and this was just the reason for it.
04:44But that feels a little too convenient.
04:46I feel like this is, like, there probably is more smoke here.
04:49Not to say that there isn't a level of, there shouldn't be a level of, I don't know what the
04:55right word is, like, I guess, ability to withstand some of that smoke, right?
05:00Because I think there's something to be said on the Texans' side of this, which is their interest in this
05:04is notable.
05:05The idea that they have moved from a place where they were looked at as choir boys, we talked about
05:09this fig, and now they're in a place where they go, hey, this dude who actively has a case, we're
05:13willing to kind of engage with the prospect of adding him.
05:15No, and that's true, and they definitely have legitimate interest, or else they wouldn't have done both the tryout and
05:21the physicals.
05:24So there's definitely some interest there, but you have to also realize they're getting their information from the agent's side,
05:31and then from, you know, their own side in terms of, like, what is transpiring.
05:35I can't get over the fact that if people are confident that this is not going to be as bad,
05:42for lack of a better way of putting it, as you might think, there's audio out there of him.
05:49There's audio of his voice involved in this.
05:52Was there audio of his voice?
05:52I think, I think, the police said there was.
05:56I know that there was text messages.
05:57I know they had the FaceTime, too.
05:58Yeah, that was it.
05:59Yeah, that was it.
06:00I don't know if they have the recording of the FaceTime.
06:01I didn't know that they had text messages that they have.
06:04And here's the thing that I keep coming back to, not that we're going to litigate this case of his,
06:09but the, I guess, for lack of a better way of saying it, the underlings that are involved in this,
06:15they got hemmed up months ago.
06:17Right.
06:17This feels very much like they rolled up on him.
06:20100%.
06:21And I don't know that these things are done in such a way where, like, we're putting all this effort
06:25towards it, and then we're just going to make this.
06:27Like, it feels like this is something that is substantial.
06:31I'm interested in the player without question, right, the opportunity at a depressed asset.
06:35I'm just fascinated about the legal, the way that they're operating in this legal process, or at least the way
06:41that they're operating around this legal process, the Texans and other teams.
06:45I hope that they're right.
06:46Like, I hope that they are right in moving this.
06:48It just feels so odd to me, John.
06:50And I think another factor, I know you wanted to say something, Figgy, but I think another factor is when
06:54you have people like Nick Saban, you know, coming to bat for him and in talking about his character, you
07:00know, away from this, I think that that resonates with a lot of people.
07:04Yeah, I think so, too.
07:06And I don't even know if this means anything, but shout-out to my guy, Attorney Sam, friend of the
07:11show.
07:12When we originally talked about this, and we were like, man, he probably could be going away for a long
07:17time.
07:17It's over.
07:19He immediately texted me and said, man, I'm a defense attorney.
07:22I could get him off of this.
07:24Like, there's so many ways he could get out of this.
07:26I'm like, really?
07:27Yeah.
07:28So maybe they got the same mindset.
07:30Maybe they felt like they could get him off easy, and he'd be playing week one.
07:34Yeah.
07:34Yeah, I mean, it would speak to one of the, I guess, I don't want to say holes, but one
07:39of the places where you feel, you have felt like there's a little bit of uncertainty, which is that cornerback
07:44room.
07:45I know that Seth asked this question, like, if you had to get one of these embattled guys or guys
07:49that feel like they would be some level of, I guess, quote-unquote distraction, the names that he put forward
07:54was Terryon Arnold, Stephon Diggs, Tyreek Hill, or Brandon Ayuk, which one would you go for?
08:00How would you answer that one?
08:02I think Stephon Diggs.
08:03You think so?
08:04Yeah.
08:05I think I'd take Stephon Diggs.
08:07Yeah.
08:08I think so as well.
08:09Like, I put them on level.
08:11I was like, Terryon or Stephon Diggs.
08:13But I do wonder, like, because some of this is like, are you displacing Jay Leno?
08:17You do know that he has a rapport with CJ Stroud.
08:20Like, that's one of the things that's really cool is you know that he has the rapport.
08:24Yeah, I think Terryon Arnold, the...
08:27He'd be second.
08:28He would be.
08:29I think that he'd be a 1B to me, but it's just the thing is that active case.
08:34And so I don't have any more confidence that, like, this case gets dropped.
08:40But it seems like everybody is moving to have that same level of confidence.
08:44So I'm going to lean on the idea that maybe they know more than me.
08:47Yeah.
08:47And there is the...
08:48It sounds weird because it just sounds icky.
08:53But, you know, if Attorney Sam can say that...
08:57Yeah.
08:58There are attorneys...
08:59All they want to know is, can we get him off?
09:01Yeah.
09:02Can we get him out of this?
09:03Yeah, can we get him out of this situation?
09:05That's why I mentioned, I think, last week about the...
09:08Maybe they got a fall guy ready to take the charge or something like that.
09:12And try to get him totally out of the situation.
09:15Like, he had nothing to do with it.
09:16But, like I said, Attorney Sam...
09:18Like, when we was talking about this, I'm thinking, like, it's a rap.
09:22And then I see...
09:23I'm like, you can get him out of this.
09:26I'm like, really?
09:27I'll get him out of there in one day.
09:28Like, this sounds awful, man.
09:29It counts.
09:30Yeah.
09:31We'll see how it plays out.
09:33We have not really seen much more to that end.
09:36But his agent, Nicole Lynn, maybe just doing the agent speak, did say, right,
09:40when we talked about this, the expectation was within 45 days for him to find a team to play with.
09:46And so, it feels like we should have some level of answer.
09:48Lopez, how do you feel about this?
09:50How do you feel about the Texans actually putting their name...
09:52Like, actually doing this?
09:53Because you've been around for a minute.
09:55And the Texans have always been known as choir boys.
09:58You'll never take a chance on this type of person.
10:00And this person actually have a case.
10:02No, I like the willingness to take a chance on a guy that has baggage.
10:08You know, kind of like what Seth was talking about.
10:10Which one would you take?
10:12Stephon Diggs has baggage.
10:13This is a lot of baggage, you know, even if he does get off, so to speak.
10:18You think so?
10:18If he is not hanging his...
10:21Man, people are going to be talking about...
10:23See, the thing is, unless he totally changes life,
10:26like, you can see the type of people he kind of rolling with a little bit.
10:30But I don't mind it.
10:30So, that's the baggage I'm thinking about.
10:32If you do your homework and feel good about him, you know, in terms of everything else,
10:36like, this was just a bad moment.
10:38This was a vengeful, mad, you know, very bitter moment that he kind of went out of his skin a
10:45little bit.
10:46If you feel good about him otherwise, I don't mind it.
10:49I don't mind it.
10:51It kind of made me feel good that, you know, they are looking into...
10:55I mean, it's not the old choir boy thing anymore.
10:57Even if he don't sign here.
10:58Exactly.
10:59I think, you know, somebody like a D.K. Metcalf, if something happened and he'd get released,
11:04I ain't got to cross the Texans off the list.
11:06Exactly.
11:07Because they might be interested.
11:08There you go.
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