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00:08This week on the Royals Uncensored.
00:13Prince Harry had been given everything he wanted on a plate.
00:17There is one massive uter.
00:19And we are told that the whole trip is in chaos.
00:22What the hell is going on?
00:23Casey, I've never seen you so exercised.
00:26I love it.
00:26He wants things like, you know, the motorcade with the police outright.
00:30Is it just all because, I mean, we all know that London traffic is an absolute shocker.
00:34If you want to be safe, the one thing that is recommended by security experts that you don't do is
00:39go around shouting from the very highest rooftops.
00:42We don't have any security!
00:46Harry, if you're watching this, you're not getting security ever.
00:53The bitter fight over Prince Harry's security on the eve of his UK return.
00:58A self-funded report says the Duke could be attacked by terrorists.
01:02But our sources say the decision is final.
01:05He won't get taxpayer-funded protection.
01:08So will Meghan and the children miss this much-anticipated family reunion?
01:13Or could the solution be a stay at Buckingham Palace?
01:16After all, the king and queen won't be there.
01:18A new report reveals they'll never live at the official sovereign residence, despite massive renovations.
01:23Plus, from Wales to Wimbledon, Princess Catherine tackles the three-peaks challenge before taking in the tennis.
01:29How lovely.
01:30And there's a rare family dinner in Scotland as the senior royals brace for that Sussex circus.
01:35I'm Jo Elvin.
01:36And I'm Katie Nichol.
01:37And as always, we're joined by our co-host and resident royal butler, dressed in a kilt, no less, Grant
01:43Harreld.
01:43Also in the studio today is Victoria Murphy, royal journalist and author of The Queen, A Life in Pictures.
01:50And from the US, we're joined by Tom Sykes, host of The Royalist.
01:55Lovely to see you.
01:56Right, well, we've got to kick off today's show on the will they, won't they be coming to the UK.
02:02Because as far as I was concerned, and I think, Jo, you will be in agreement, Prince Harry had been
02:09given everything he wanted on a plate.
02:11The opportunity to come back to Britain.
02:13The chance to stay in a royal residence where he would have had full-time protection.
02:18His children would be safe.
02:19And yet, after announcing to a select number of media, and I'm including Victoria in that, releasing an op note
02:26with detailed schedule of exactly what they'd be doing and all the places they'd be visiting,
02:30within hours of that going out by Team Sussex, there is one massive U-turn.
02:36And we are told that the whole trip is in chaos because Ravek, that Committee for Personal Protection, Round-the
02:42-Clock Security, which you get if you're a working royal,
02:45made clear that there would be no change to Harry's status when it came to security, i.e. he wouldn't
02:52be getting it on this trip.
02:53No change there.
02:55Harry knew that was the case.
02:57I'm wondering how even Prince Harry, not the brightest tool in the box, can make such a pig's ear of
03:05something that was actually, for once, going his way.
03:08Katie, I've never seen you so exercised.
03:10I love this.
03:11Sorry, but I, you know, well, listen, I get, I see in some of the comments, apparently I'm a pro
03:15-Sussex supporter.
03:16I mean, I try my best to be impartial, but I'm finding it very hard to see how anyone could
03:21just make this into such a drama, into such a soap opera.
03:25Tom, what the hell is going on?
03:30I think what you're seeing, Katie and Joe and Grant and Victoria, it's lovely to be here.
03:35I think what you're seeing is the pathology of Harry paranoia.
03:43And the paranoia that Harry has is he's been talking about it for years.
03:51He's been talking about how he, you know, can't handle camera flashes.
03:56He can't cope with this.
03:58Everyone's, you know, wants history to repeat itself.
04:01There's dark forces trying to kill him.
04:03I mean, the idea that the king's private secretary, he's a very affable, you know, man who's devoted his life
04:12to public services,
04:13sort of the head of a cabal dedicated to undoing, you know, Prince Harry and the king's every wish.
04:21Victoria, welcome to the show.
04:22It's lovely to have you back.
04:23I know that you are on this coveted list where the Sussexes do engage with you.
04:27So I'm curious to know, what do you make of that bizarre timing?
04:31And really, this to me is the crux of it all.
04:35Why release a detailed op note with a full schedule and everything you're going to do
04:40if you haven't got the one thing that's prevented you, apparently, from coming back to this country
04:44with your family in place, i.e. that security?
04:48Why do it?
04:49Yeah, this is the bit that I think is confusing people.
04:52And it is by no means clear still as to what is happening, whether or not...
04:56I mean, I think Harry will, of course, come by himself if the family doesn't come,
04:59but we don't know what's happening, just to sort of unpick a bit kind of how it unfolded.
05:05So we've obviously, there's been a lot of speculation for some time
05:09that they were going to come to the UK and bring the kids.
05:12And that was confirmed by them on Friday evening with some information about the charitable events
05:18that they were going to be carrying out publicly, but then also an indication
05:22that the family would all be coming privately.
05:25Now, at that point, we knew that they understood very clearly that the decision on security
05:32had not been overturned in the sense that Ravec had not gone back and reassessed this.
05:37Ravec hadn't overturned the decision that they made that he took them to court over.
05:42They knew that, as a blanket, it wasn't going to be overturned.
05:45But my sense is that at that point, maybe they thought that on a case-by-case basis,
05:51which is the status quo, that they would get the security that they were hoping for.
05:57I think he's just...
05:58And subsequently, it became clear that that wasn't going to happen.
06:01And then we had this situation where they were then saying,
06:04well, actually, now things have changed.
06:06We don't think we can come.
06:07The bit that I think is confusing to people is that...
06:10It's my understanding, anyway, that at no point he was given assurances
06:14that he had the security he wanted when he announced the trip.
06:17So he did announce the trip with the family before knowing that he was going to get the security that
06:22he wanted.
06:23And that is Harry through and through.
06:25I'm sorry.
06:26This is when I hear advisers that have worked him over the years saying he doesn't listen.
06:30He doesn't listen.
06:31He jumps the gun.
06:31The statement that went out when they were leaving the royal family hadn't even been signed off by the Queen,
06:37by the palace.
06:38It was in such embryonic stages.
06:40And you just think this man, because he is a man, he's not a young boy anymore, has not learnt
06:45from any of his mistakes.
06:46Jo?
06:47The other thing that I find really confusing in this is this...
06:50Correct me if I'm wrong, Victoria.
06:51It seems to be the situation where they want to do some public engagements and some private visits with their
06:58family.
06:58So I don't understand why there's this sense of entitlement that the taxpayer should fund security
07:06when he's not in any way, in any capacity here on an official or a public working role.
07:13Yeah.
07:13I mean, so what I would say is I sort of get his point on a pure security basis
07:19that just because he's no longer a working royal, that doesn't necessarily change the threat level to him.
07:24And I kind of feel like it's a result of the system that we have.
07:29You know, if we're going to say that we're going to make our head of state come from this family
07:32forevermore,
07:33then do we need to think as a country about the security implications for people who are in that immediate
07:38line,
07:38even though they're not working royals, right?
07:42But he knew, and he's always known, that the decision from the Home Office is that he's not going to
07:47get that security.
07:48And he knew that when he announced this trip.
07:50And on your point about the separating, combining, sorry, the private and the public,
07:57I think this is, I would not have done this if I was him.
08:02They want so much to keep their children out of the public eye.
08:04They want so much to have them away from everything to do with their official duties.
08:08And then bringing them over here on a trip that is so much about public facing for the two of
08:14them,
08:14I think does make that really difficult for them.
08:17And now what you essentially have is the children at the centre of a conversation about security and taxpayer funding
08:23and very much the focus of this trip, which he would want the focus to be on in Victor.
08:28No, I disagree. I think he wants the focus on the children because then that makes it the emotive call.
08:32Well, he's pulling on the heartstrings.
08:32It makes it the emotive call.
08:34I agree.
08:34I agree in terms of a pro-argument for what he wants security was.
08:39Because he could actually, Tom, can I bring you in here?
08:41I mean, Harry could absolutely, if he wanted to bring just the kids over and have them meet Charles
08:47and there'd be, you know, nothing other than just wanting that much-longed-for family reunion,
08:53why not bring them over here?
08:54Stay at Buckingham Palace where you've got beautiful gardens, round-the-clock protection.
08:58People can come to them.
08:59They could do three nights, four nights there and wouldn't need to leave.
09:03There wouldn't be this issue of needing that protection while they're travelling from one place to the other.
09:07Why not just do that?
09:10Well, exactly.
09:11And, I mean, while you're about it, if you want to be safe,
09:15the one thing that is recommended by security experts that you don't do
09:19is go around shouting from the very highest rooftops,
09:21we don't have any security and nor do our kids.
09:28You know, I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.
09:30And that's why people feel it's just an attempt to bounce the king into providing it.
09:35And people think that, actually, is this really about security or is it about status?
09:40And the reality is, no one denies that Harry is at threat, right?
09:46No one denies that.
09:47Well, largely because he wrote about taking out terrorists, taking out al-Qaeda, I'm so sorry,
09:52and the Taliban in his book.
09:54I mean, he's bought half of that on himself.
09:56He's bought half of it on himself, but nobody denies that he faces risk.
10:00So do a great many people.
10:01So in the United Kingdom, members of Parliament are not given personal security details,
10:07despite the fact that two of them have been murdered since 2016.
10:12And another very seriously attacked, Stephen Timms, I think, was very seriously injured in an attack.
10:17So, I mean, there's plenty of people who need security.
10:20But the reality is, like any bureaucracy, there's a point where you have to draw a line and say,
10:26these people are within the Venn diagram and these people are without the Venn diagram.
10:30And the point at which they draw it is, are you a working royal?
10:33This has never been about the threat.
10:35And the idea that Harry is now releasing details to Chris Shipp of ITV saying that there are terrorist threats
10:45to him.
10:46I mean, if there are terrorist threats, mate, don't come because other people are going to be injured.
10:50Do you know what I mean?
10:51Like, it's absolutely absurd that you can argue, that he can have the audacity to argue,
11:00publicising the fact that he is facing terrorist threats just to get his own way.
11:05It's an absolute disgrace.
11:08And I'm afraid, for me, it's all about their status.
11:12It's not actually about their security.
11:14Because as you say, Katie, if it was about their security, come into Buckingham Palace,
11:16say hi to the king and go home again.
11:18It is interesting, you mentioned that report that came into ITV News,
11:22where Harry is apparently the focus of six terror plots from jihadists and some right-wing actors as well.
11:30What I'm curious about is how do you think that this security report that was marked confidential
11:35has ended up in the public domain, Tom?
11:38Well, I mean, look, it's from their side.
11:41So it's produced by them and it's submitted to Ravec and it's clearly been leaked to ITV,
11:47which is fine, right?
11:48To people, PR, you know, and organisations leak stuff all day and all night to get their message over.
11:55But the point is that this is not just, it's something worse than all these things,
12:01because it's not just a mistake.
12:03It's not just stupid.
12:04It's just totally, totally immoral.
12:07Because it's trying to say that Harry somehow is a special character.
12:13Like, lots of people are the subject of appalling threats all over the country, you know, loads of people.
12:19And the idea that Harry somehow should be entitled,
12:23look, he has spent six years, him and his wife, running down the institution of the monarchy,
12:31telling us all that, you know, everything from they made us wear what tights to wear,
12:36they were racist, they were cold, they wouldn't lend us their lip gloss.
12:39You know, take your pick, like, take your pick of what they've said.
12:42And he just needs to accept he is not getting security in this country.
12:48It's not going to happen and people won't wear it.
12:50Also, frankly, people won't wear it at taxpayers' expense
12:53when it is essentially a private citizen who can afford to pay for his own security,
12:59if he is that concerned.
13:01Right.
13:01He's made $100 million from selling out the royal family.
13:06You know, there were $20 million from the book, at least $60 million from Netflix,
13:10$5 or $10 from Spotify.
13:11You know, they're clearly filming a Diana documentary,
13:14which is why they want to come to Orthop.
13:16Why should we pay for Netflix to film a Diana documentary at Orthop?
13:21It's the whole thing.
13:22It's just, it's just, it's so misguided to keep going on and on about this
13:27and claim that it's his moral right to have security and he did this and he did that.
13:31It's like, that's not the point.
13:33That's not the point.
13:34You know, but if you want to go off and do your own thing,
13:36like, and literally issue statements saying what a load of complete bastards
13:41the royal family are, like, don't be surprised if they don't want to give you security.
13:45A load of complete bastards, Grant.
13:47Is that what they are?
13:48What do you think?
13:49How furrowed is King Charles' brow right now, you know, looking at this circus play out
13:55before Harry's even got here?
13:56Do you know the thing I find really confusing about all of this is that,
14:00going back to the Harry that I remember, security was the last thing on his mind.
14:04I mean, he used to have this kind of game where he would kind of go off.
14:07Well, I guess he wasn't a father then.
14:08He wasn't a father.
14:08So I suppose he didn't have the same pressures, where now, obviously, he now thinks with that,
14:12you know, he's thinking about his security, he's thinking about his family.
14:14And I completely get that.
14:16But I think, as you've said, it's this thing where, you know, he left the royal family.
14:20Well, he left as a working member of the royal family.
14:22I was, I think I was, you know, even saying that, you know, other members of the royal family,
14:26BHC and Eugenia, they don't have the kind of security that he's looking for.
14:30And as you quite rightly said, if he stays in these royal residencies, he will get that protection.
14:35He will get that security.
14:36If people come to him, which people probably would be more than happy to go to Buckingham Palace
14:40and meet with them, you know, I don't see why they can't do that.
14:45I don't know why he wants to do this tour, if you like.
14:47I mean, I'm hearing, Katie, or you're hearing, rather, that he wants things like, you know,
14:51the motorcade with the police outriders.
14:54Is this just all because, I mean, we all know that London traffic is an absolute shocker.
14:58Yeah.
14:58Is that all it is?
14:58Well, yeah, I mean, it shouldn't be the taxpayers' money having to be spent on it.
15:03That is a point of contention because it is public money.
15:06It is taxpayers' money that goes on this.
15:07And we never get to find out how much it is.
15:09They never reveal the Met Police the money.
15:11But, I mean, to be fair, I think at one point he did sort of try and offer to pay,
15:15but it's very difficult to buy into that infrastructure.
15:17And he was told, there's no way you can't do that.
15:19His point is, I think, would be that it's not about money.
15:23It's about having access to the information that the Met Police have access and the ability to do the things
15:28that they have to do.
15:29But the point is that, yes, he does not have to come here on official state business.
15:34It's not a request of the country that he comes here and does this, and therefore we need to support
15:40that.
15:40It is a choice.
15:41It's a choice to come.
15:42And he's pushed forward with that choice for his whole family, despite what he previously said about security
15:47and not having the guarantee that that was in place.
15:51And that's why we're in this conundrum now, because now it's up in the air.
15:55Well, we're in the conundrum because he jumped the gun and put a statement out that he should never have
15:59done
16:00because nothing had changed.
16:02So, you know, more for Harry.
16:04But to be fair, it's not a conundrum, is it?
16:06I mean, it's only a conundrum for Harry because he's been told, you know, as Buckingham Palace said last time
16:12this happened, on the many, many occasions that this has gone to court, that he's not getting security.
16:18And Harry, if you're watching this, you're not getting security ever.
16:23So just accept it and try and manage your risk differently.
16:37If you're offered a royal residence, at least let the king know if you're going to stay or not,
16:42because the Palisades I'm speaking to are saying they still haven't had an official response.
16:46At this stage, Charles will be well within his rights to say, you know what, folks? Get a hotel.
17:01Welcome back to the Royals Uncensored on Five.
17:04So where will they stay?
17:05Where do you think, Victoria?
17:08Well, what we've been told is a mixture of royal and private accommodation.
17:13But from the royal side, they have said that they haven't had a response to an offer.
17:18So what is this royal accommodation that hasn't come from the royal household?
17:23I'm confused by that as to what that might mean.
17:26There's obviously been a lot of speculation as well that they're planning to go to Orthorpe to spend the weekend
17:31there.
17:32Diana's childhood home.
17:34What are you hearing about this documentary?
17:36Nothing about the documentary, actually.
17:38I mean, I couldn't tell you anything on that, more than that you've already said.
17:44But where will they stay, you know?
17:46Well, Buckingham Palace would seem the obvious place, wouldn't it, to have a suite of rooms there?
17:50Well, it's incredibly secure.
17:52I know Michael Fagan might disagree with that, but it is incredibly secure.
17:56It's central.
17:57They've got engagements around London, huge outdoor spaces.
18:01It would seem like the obvious place to be.
18:03And I'm assuming if they come over and Meghan's plan is to go to Birmingham with Harry, they will come
18:08over with a nanny or maybe with Doria.
18:09And some will be able to stay at Buckingham Palace.
18:12And it would seem like the obvious place.
18:13Oh, and by the way, it's empty.
18:14So there's plenty of rooms.
18:16Grant, what do you think?
18:17I mean, I think I said before, part of me was wondering about Highgrove.
18:19I know Highgrove's outside London, but of course, that's his childhood home.
18:23That's where he spent a lot of time.
18:24And it's designed in a way that he could quite easily have his family there.
18:28I mean, it's possible.
18:29King's not always there.
18:30He spends a lot of time there.
18:32I know that William and Catherine have gone up there with the family as well.
18:35So that's always a possibility.
18:37I wasn't sure.
18:38I mean, with Royal Residences, I mean, there's quite a few, maybe somewhere in the Windsor Estate, even possibly.
18:42Can you see them staying in Windsor, though, when that's where the Whaleses are?
18:46That, I think it would maybe be a bit too near for William.
18:48I just think that's the one thing that we do feel quite confident on, right?
18:52That there's no communication there between me and Harry.
18:54No, not at all.
18:55I think we all agreed on that, aren't we?
18:56And this is why a lot of this conversation around, you know, I've heard it speculated that Harry,
19:01is trying to sort of negotiate this future where he comes back all the time and is a quasi-working
19:06royal.
19:07And I just do not see that happening for William's end.
19:09I do not see William allowing that at all.
19:12I think that's the thing with William, as you know, is that when you've, I said many times before,
19:15when you break his trust or when he, you know, you can't win that back.
19:19He's, yeah, I remember, he's very kind of, he cuts the ties, if you like.
19:23And I think that's what he's doing.
19:25And the King's been very forgiving.
19:27I think he's been very generous.
19:28Can I just point out, and by the way, it is the height of bad manners.
19:31If you're offered a royal residence, at least let the King know if you're going to stay or not.
19:35Because the Palisades I'm speaking to are saying they still haven't had an official response.
19:40But I did get on the phone to the Home Office.
19:41I did speak to a spokesperson, just so that we can be clear about it for this show.
19:46And there is no change to the security arrangements.
19:49As Tom has said, he won't be getting security.
19:54Indeed.
19:55Indeed.
19:55Well, Tom, any last words from you?
19:57Do you have an Airbnb on the go that Harry could stay in in London, perhaps?
20:01I think that the reality is that at this stage, Charles would be well within his rights to say,
20:06you know what, folks?
20:07Get a hotel.
20:10Yeah.
20:10I wonder which one would be good enough, though.
20:12That's what I'm wondering.
20:13But, Tom, thank you so much for joining us.
20:15We love having you on the show.
20:17And we hope that you will be back.
20:18Thanks so much, Tom.
20:19You know what, Joe?
20:20He's also really led on this story.
20:22And I think he's done a great job.
20:24So we're always grateful to him for coming on.
20:26Well, we were talking about Buckingham Palace earlier.
20:28We were talking about the fact that there are plenty of rooms available.
20:31Because one of the interesting things to have come out of the recent publication of Royal Finances
20:36is that the King and Queen are not going to be using it as their full-time residence.
20:41Well, that didn't come as any surprise to me.
20:44Grant, didn't you say that the King had told you back in 2005 when, of course, he was Prince of
20:49Wales
20:49that he never had any intention of living there?
20:51Because Clarence House was relatively a new home for him.
20:55Obviously, it had been left after the Queen Mother died.
20:57At great expense, he had it all renovated.
21:00And I remember one of my jobs, I was lucky enough, was to manage Clarence House
21:04when the house manager wasn't there.
21:06And I remember he said to me that this was a home that he loved.
21:09He had many happy memories there.
21:11And the palace wasn't somewhere that he was planning and wanting to live in.
21:15No, he also told me that he'd make, with the title, George VII as well,
21:20which obviously didn't happen.
21:21So then I started thinking, well, maybe he will.
21:23He went to the palace.
21:24So, does he dislike Buckingham Palace?
21:27What's wrong with it?
21:28I think it's not that he dislikes.
21:29I think it's just the sheer size of it.
21:31If you think, I'm sure you've all visited Clarence House.
21:33And Clarence House is a much smaller, if I can see it, it's a much smaller home.
21:37Ironically, I have not been to Clarence House, but I have been to Buckingham Palace.
21:40Oh, you haven't had to take Clarence.
21:43It feels like a home, doesn't it?
21:44It is more like a home.
21:45It's a little bit like Highgrove.
21:46Highgrove is also very homely.
21:48He likes places that are, I mean, don't get me wrong, it's grand, it's beautiful,
21:53but it's not like Buckingham Palace.
21:55And he's also somebody, he's like his mother,
21:58somebody who was around switching off, I remember, switching off light switches
22:01and not wanting to waste electricity and waste money.
22:04Buckingham Palace, it costs a lot to run.
22:06If he's staying there, it's going to cost a fortune.
22:08He's aware of that, where staying at Clarence House is still expensive,
22:11but nowhere near the running costs of staying at Buckingham Palace.
22:14Talking about expensive, what also came out, Vic, in the reports,
22:17was that £369 million.
22:21Can we just explore that figure?
22:22That's the renovation cost, which we've known for some time now.
22:25Extraordinary amount of money for a palace that is not going to be well HQ.
22:31I have lots of thoughts on this, guys, lots of thoughts.
22:32I was in that briefing last week about the finances and I think, yes,
22:38we had all been saying for some time he's probably not going to live in Buckingham Palace
22:41and we'd all heard that story.
22:43But I think sitting there, when they announced that that was going on the record
22:46and there were quite a lot of comments from the keeper of the privy purse
22:49to that effect saying they've decided not to make it an official residence,
22:54it was obvious to me in that moment that that was going to be the dominant story.
22:57And my understanding is they're in their 70s now, they're very settled at Clarence House,
23:02moving everyone into the palace, their staff, but also the reasoning that's been given
23:07officially as well is that they want to open it up more to the public.
23:11They want to make it more of a public building.
23:13Now, £369 million is a lot of money.
23:17Let's remember, though, that that money was spent because it's a public building,
23:21not because that's where he's going to sleep, right, to be fair.
23:24There'd been a lot of neglect in decades earlier,
23:28that they just kept kicking the renovation down the road.
23:30And all of the public events are still going to be held there,
23:33so the state banquets, the investitures, everything.
23:37It's going to be HQ, is what they're saying.
23:39Where I think it does get awkward is this idea of, you know,
23:42when we think of Buckingham Palace, we say, and it says everywhere,
23:46it's the official residence of the British monarch.
23:48Exactly.
23:49And you can't really say that's true anymore.
23:51You actually can't really say that's true.
23:53I think very strongly about this.
23:54I think it is actually really important that the sitting sovereign,
23:59that is their residence, it's all very well saying
24:01we're going to open it up to the public,
24:03but will the public be as enamoured?
24:05Will it be the draw for the public?
24:08You know, as an Australian, my first visit to London,
24:11you're like, ooh, if the flag's up, the Queen's in...
24:13Do you know what I mean? That's gone.
24:15It's the draw.
24:16Well, on the flag, it's not...
24:17The flag hasn't gone.
24:17And this is the thing, because since the King came to the throne,
24:21they established a precedent where the royal standard flies above Buckingham Palace
24:25when he's in Clarence House now.
24:28And so they've kind of almost, like, merged those two as a residence.
24:33Well, I take a very dim view of this, Victoria.
24:35Yes, well, it's fascinating, isn't it?
24:36That view is it would be going up and down constantly
24:38because apparently it goes back and forwards so much.
24:40One thing you said that I observed and I was wondering,
24:43you know how that became the dominant story of the fact
24:45that he's not going to reside there, I wondered,
24:47and this is maybe a terrible thing to say,
24:48I wondered if that was to kind of move away from the costs...
24:51Yes!
24:52This is an interesting point.
24:53Because when they made the announcement, everybody changed.
24:56Instead of talking about the money, everyone started talking about...
24:59And I wondered if it was a bit of a...
25:00Decoy.
25:01Yeah, that's what I thought.
25:02You're not the only person to under that grant,
25:03and I think this is the thing, because £369 million for the renovation,
25:06that was a ring...
25:07How could I say ring for this?
25:08That was the amount that was set aside for that renovation,
25:11but they continue, and it was added on top
25:13of their normal grant,
25:15the money that they get from the Treasury for the public purse, right?
25:19And now that money's coming off,
25:21we're now seeing the sovereign grant, as it's known,
25:24going back to not having the renovation added on.
25:27But actually, if you look at the core grant,
25:29it's actually almost doubled in around three years.
25:32So if you take off the money that was used for the renovation
25:34that's been given to them for the last few years,
25:36and you just look at the core grant,
25:37it's gone up exponentially.
25:39And they're doing less, with the grits of respect.
25:41This is a really interesting point.
25:42So it's going to be almost £100 million by the financial year 2027-2028.
25:47I just want to really quickly say something on this,
25:48because a lot of people get confused.
25:50This is the sovereign grant that comes from the Treasury,
25:52from the consolidated fund, from the public purse, right?
25:55Now, it's calculated at a percentage of the profits of the Crown Estate.
25:58And that gets people very confused,
26:00because a lot of people say,
26:01oh, well, the Crown Estate,
26:02the King gives all the profits from the Crown Estate to the Treasury,
26:04and then he only keeps a small percentage,
26:06which is not an accurate reflection of what actually goes on.
26:08The profits from the Crown Estate do not belong to the King
26:11in any personal capacity.
26:13Historically, the sovereign used to collect that money
26:16and then use it to pay for the running of the country.
26:18And from George III, that was flipped.
26:20And then the government took the money
26:21and paid for the running of the country
26:22and gave the King a lump sum.
26:23So the Crown Estate profits do not belong to the King.
26:26This is public money that he gets from the Treasury.
26:28I just get a lot of comments whenever I talk about the sovereign grant.
26:31I have learnt so much in a short space.
26:33This all absorbed at the briefings.
26:35Let's talk about the sovereign grant without explaining this.
26:38You get people saying, well, the Crown Estate,
26:40all the profits go...
26:41And anyway...
26:42And you haven't even touched on the Dutch, you're Lancaster.
26:43Don't, don't, don't, don't.
26:45But, yeah, let's get back to more kind of,
26:47I think, more interesting territory,
26:49which is that now we have 11 working royals.
26:53And among that number,
26:55we would include the Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra.
26:57You know, no-one expects them to be doing lots of public engagement.
27:00No.
27:02Lots of people have asked me why I'm doing this challenge
27:04and partly it's personal.
27:07I'm so grateful to be here,
27:08to be strong enough to walk these hills.
27:11But more importantly, it's to give something back.
27:14We haven't seen Princess Wales go through what she's gone through.
27:25Welcome back to The Raw Is Uncensored on 5.
27:27We've got a lovely story now about a working royal
27:31and working really hard.
27:32Princess Wales completed the Three Peaks Challenge
27:36in aid of the Royal Marsden Charity.
27:38That's obviously the hospital that was instrumental
27:40in her cancer treatment.
27:41Here she is there looking absolutely very pleased with herself,
27:44as you would, I think.
27:46That's quite the challenge.
27:47And healthy, you know.
27:48She looks so well and healthy.
27:49It's lovely to see.
27:50It's like three peaks.
27:52What is it?
27:52It's sort of like, I'm going to learn my geography now.
27:55It's about 500 miles between them.
28:00I mean, I think the walk-in, you know,
28:01I can't even imagine how many is it,
28:0325 miles or something of walk-in.
28:05It's about 10,000...
28:06I only know this, I was reading about it,
28:0810,000 feet or something.
28:09It's extraordinary what she's done,
28:10considering what she's been through.
28:11It's not for the light-hearted, you know.
28:14It is a trial.
28:16But it's definitely playing to her passions.
28:20She's a real outdoors girl, isn't she?
28:22She loves being sporty.
28:23She loves nature and outdoors.
28:24She wanted to highlight how that can be so instrumental
28:28in your healing journey with cancer.
28:30She was met at the end by her children, by her husband.
28:34But she also had a really lovely interaction
28:36with a little 11-year-old boy.
28:37What did you make of that?
28:38Yeah, it was lovely, wasn't it?
28:39This is 11-year-old Ted Halsam,
28:41and she met him on Ben Nevis,
28:43and it was really moving because there was video footage of this.
28:45And you can see that this little boy,
28:47who's paraplegic following a spinal tumour,
28:49is being carried up the mountain by 15 friends and family.
28:54I mean, it's extraordinary.
28:55And clearly, you know, the princess is walking too,
28:58and she talks to them, and she finds out about their story,
29:01and she talks to Ted.
29:02And she was, well, as you would be,
29:05enormously touched by that sort of a moment.
29:07And she found out that this was all to raise money
29:11for his fundraising website.
29:15And she then went on to make a very discreet donation.
29:18I think it was £1,000 or something,
29:20under the name of Catherine Wells.
29:23But in that moment...
29:23I love that.
29:24Yeah, so do I.
29:25And in that moment, she's almost not a royal.
29:29She's just someone doing something special.
29:31A human being.
29:32A special human being.
29:33And I think it was very touching.
29:36And I think it's just, you know, her journey,
29:39her cancer journey resonates with a lot of people.
29:41And she's now turning something that was so life-changing
29:44and potentially devastating
29:46into something uplifting and optimistic.
29:48And I admire that.
29:49And she is also a very fit individual.
29:52I mean, I think a few people have said to me,
29:53you know, she's obviously done a lot of training.
29:55And yes, she would have.
29:56But I remember, you know, she's a keen runner.
29:58She's always...
29:58Am I right, you know, Victoria, in saying that?
30:00I think often she's been seen...
30:01I know at Hyder she was seen run around.
30:03I think even at Kenton Palace,
30:04she used to be seen run around the grounds there as well.
30:07Yeah.
30:07I mean, I think she...
30:09Like she said, didn't she?
30:10And this really struck me, that it's really twofold.
30:12It was personal for her.
30:14She wanted to do this personal achievement.
30:17And I think we're kind of hearing more and more about,
30:21I think, getting more of a sense
30:23about how much her diagnosis affected her.
30:26And in fact, she did record a rather moving message
30:29on that very point.
30:30Let's have a look.
30:30Lots of people have asked me why I'm doing this challenge.
30:33And partly it's personal.
30:35I'm so grateful to be here,
30:37to be strong enough to walk these hills.
30:39But more importantly, it's to give something back
30:42and acknowledge really all the incredible work
30:46going on up and down this country.
30:48I've met some incredible people,
30:51those people who are living with and beyond cancer.
30:55And I know personally how difficult that journey is.
31:01And I really wanted to use this opportunity
31:07as my way of contributing to all the wonderful work
31:10that's going on.
31:12Gosh, you can really sense the emotion there, can't you, Grant?
31:15What did you make of that?
31:16I mean, that's very much, you know, that's, it's not just a,
31:20if I could say a princess, that's an individual that's gone through,
31:23as Katie knows, you know, has gone through an awful disease.
31:27She's come out the other side of it,
31:29and now she's wanting to highlight it and also help others,
31:34which I think's fantastic.
31:36I don't think we've ever quite seen a Princess of Wales,
31:39I mean, obviously there's a lot of love for Diana Princess of Wales,
31:42but we haven't seen Princess of Wales go through what she's gone through.
31:45And she's passionate about it, you know,
31:47and she wants to make a difference for others as well.
31:49And in her position, really, she would,
31:52people would understand if she was completely private about it.
31:55But I think this sort of like this outward-facing honesty
31:58from her and Charles, I think it's resonating
32:01and making people do things like check themselves
32:05and look after their own health.
32:06Definitely, and I think they recognise,
32:08they know that they have a unique platform
32:11and an outreach unlike anyone else, really.
32:14And so their message carries huge influence and power,
32:20and to see it being used for such a great cause is wonderful.
32:23And, of course, the Princess has fundraised herself.
32:26She's raised a lot of money for the Royal Marsden where she was treated,
32:29and she will, I think, always have an incredibly close link with.
32:32I love that.
32:33I'm so taken by that video.
32:35I know.
32:36It's so lovely seeing her so down-to-earth.
32:40And, actually, I was thinking, as Grant was talking,
32:41it was, of course, Diana's 65th birthday this week, wasn't it?
32:44Yeah, it was the first of July.
32:47Right?
32:48And we're talking about the Princess of Wales,
32:49and we all think of Kate now.
32:51But I do wonder what Diana would have made of Catherine.
32:54Do you not think she's Diana of Princess of Wales?
32:57I mean, I remember I was only 18, I think, when she died.
33:00But she made such a difference, do you not think, to the Royal Family?
33:03The Royal Family today, I think, has definitely changed thanks to her influence.
33:08And I think it's been really nice to see Kate really make that role her own as well.
33:13Because when she came into the Royal Family,
33:15there was such a desire to compare her with Princess Diana.
33:18I remember people always wanted, every time she knelt down to talk to a child,
33:21it was like, oh, she's like Diana.
33:22You know, it was this desperation to compare them.
33:24But she really, she never rejected that.
33:27But she really went on and showed us that she's doing things her own way.
33:30They're actually very different personality-wise, I think.
33:32And certainly the relationship they have with their husbands,
33:35everything, they are very different.
33:37And now, Kate taking on the Princess of Wales role,
33:40and also making that her own.
33:41And like you say, we think of her now when we hear that name,
33:44which is astonishing.
33:45Because for so, so long, I mean, Camilla was legally Princess of Wales,
33:49but she never ever used that title for so long it was synonymous with Princess of Wales.
33:53Yes. No, you're right, Victoria.
33:55Catherine has taken that title.
33:57She has made it hers.
34:00The elephant in the room has been that our Royal Butler
34:03has been sitting here looking resplendent in a kilt.
34:06Are you going to show our viewers what a Scotsman keeps in his little pouch?
34:10Don't we keep much in here, really?
34:20Welcome back to the Royals Uncensored on five.
34:23We're going to move on now.
34:24It's sort of like the elephant in the room has been that our Royal Butler
34:27has been sitting here looking resplendent in a kilt.
34:30And that is because we are celebrating from afar
34:33that it is a Royal Week in Scotland
34:35where the King and Queen are currently ensconced,
34:38enjoying all sorts of cultural events,
34:40including things like investitures,
34:43the Order of the Thistle Service that will be happening at St Giles.
34:46You're the Scottish expert, Grant.
34:48Tell us what we can expect from this extraordinary week.
34:50Well, this is basically a big week in Scotland.
34:51It's when the King moves into Holyrood Palace,
34:54which I should mention is slightly older than Buckingham Palace.
34:57I believe it was back to about 1128.
35:00It used to be a monastery.
35:02The late Queen loved spending time there.
35:04I'm sure you remember that her body was laid, I think, for a night
35:08before going on to St Giles.
35:11The King loves this week.
35:13I remember he used to do his own version of Holyrood Week
35:16when I used to work for him.
35:17So we used to go stay at the palace, which was, for me, it was great fun.
35:23But the King loves it.
35:25And as you said, he's got the Order of the Thistle,
35:26which is, again, one of the oldest.
35:29It's a bit like the Order of the Gata, very similar.
35:32It's actually a re-increation because it was originally a medieval thing in Scotland
35:36and then I think it was James VII brought it back.
35:40Again, it's something the King likes to continue that tradition.
35:43He was with the Prince Wales, actually.
35:45Yeah.
35:46I think they had a new night as well.
35:49And you've got the garden party.
35:50They have a garden party like we have at Buckingham Palace.
35:52They have one up there as well.
35:53So basically it's what we see happening at Buckingham Palace in London
35:58with a lot of the events, or Windsor, where they take it all up to Scotland
36:01for a week.
36:02And everybody looking resplendent in their coats, I'm sure.
36:05They do.
36:06Obviously, it's a chance.
36:06How long have you had this one?
36:07This ensemble?
36:08I've had this since I was 21.
36:09I love wearing the coats.
36:10Oh, a couple of years then.
36:11It's a little drafty.
36:13Wow.
36:14Apart from that, we need to turn down the air conditioning.
36:16Are you going to show our viewers what a Scotsman keeps in his little pouch?
36:20I thought you were going to say what's underneath the kit.
36:22No, I don't want to know.
36:24I don't really keep much in here, really.
36:27Oh, there we go.
36:27A pair of headphones.
36:29Some underwear.
36:30Are these yours?
36:31No, no, no.
36:31They are most definitely not mine.
36:36Oh, there's all the secrets.
36:38They ate the page.
36:38Now, I mean, we are giggling, but there was some controversy as well.
36:43Unfortunately, Camilla, Queen Camilla, met with J.K. Rowling.
36:47And, you know, it was all in response to the reading room.
36:50I think J.K. Rowling has been a big supporter of that.
36:53But I did notice on, you know, the last day of Pride Month, June,
36:58they posted this on their social media.
37:01And there was lots of criticisms of meeting with J.K. Rowling,
37:05because she's rather outspoken when it comes to transgender issues, isn't she?
37:09What did you make of it, Victoria?
37:10Well, yeah, I mean, the Palace has made it very clear this was all about reading,
37:15from their perspective, and the love of literacy.
37:19But I wonder whether they underestimated the potential for backlash here,
37:24because, I mean, they have got a lot of comments on that social media.
37:27I would say they did underestimate it, yes.
37:29Because, you know, they don't actually get that many comments on a lot of their posts.
37:34And this is completely off the scale in comparison to what we're seeing normally on their social media.
37:38And I think, particularly because a lot of the conversation and the discourse goes on in the social media space,
37:43to post on social media, you're sort of inserting yourself into that conversation.
37:47And, you know, I think, yeah, it's certainly...
37:51I wonder whether they...
37:52Well, they either underestimated it or they thought that it would happen,
37:56and they thought, well, for us, it's about reading.
37:58And so...
37:59Yes, I can see that point of view, but I think that in Pride Month, it was a risky old
38:06game.
38:06Jane, what do you think?
38:06Well, I think you're right.
38:08I think it's dropping the ball a little bit.
38:09I mean, you never know how the comments are going to spark off.
38:12You don't know, and I certainly don't think Buckingham Palisades go into planning engagements and photo ops thinking,
38:17oh, well, what will the comments be, da-da-da?
38:19What we do know is the Queen is all she wants is for children around the country to be picking
38:24up books.
38:25Now, I know that she read all of those Harry Potter books to her grandchildren.
38:28She's a huge fan of those stories.
38:31That would be her focus.
38:31And I really think that that's all Camilla will have thought about.
38:35She wouldn't have been seeing any other angle.
38:36She would literally have seen it, as you said, Katie, from that point.
38:38I agree with you, but that's why I think that perhaps the machinations around them...
38:42The institution might have protected her better than that.
38:44Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
38:45With the advisers and everything, you think someone might have said, this could backfire.
38:48Yeah, I think that's kind of their job.
38:51Yeah.
38:51But anyway, we will move on.
38:52Now, there was also a family dinner held with senior royals.
38:56I wonder what the conversation was around that table, Katie.
38:59Well, I know this was interesting because, obviously, the king is up in Scotland, the queen is up in Scotland,
39:05Prince William as well.
39:07Well, Princess Royal has been up there, Edinburgh.
39:10So it was obviously an opportunity, I suppose, for a family get-together.
39:13And I think sometimes people do forget that they are just a family.
39:17And Scotland is incredibly close to all of them.
39:20I mean, the reason that they have Scotland Week is to re-establish that important connection within the United Kingdom.
39:26You know, Scotland is hugely important.
39:29And that's what the queen did at the end of her life, wasn't it?
39:31I was just about to say, Mark, it was hugely important to the queen.
39:35And the king has continued that love affair with Scotland.
39:38So, yes, a lovely chance to get the family together for a dinner.
39:41And I'm sure an opportunity, perhaps, to discuss this tour with Harry and the Sussexes.
39:48Because there needs to be a contingency plan.
39:50There need, you know, the royals will be on their tiptoes over this.
39:53There needs to be a united front.
39:55There needs to be all of those things.
39:56But, Grant, what's your memories of what it's like when it's a family dinner?
40:02Is it, you know, because even the pictures we've seen, it looks terribly formal.
40:07It's terribly all about millions of pieces of cutlery.
40:10No.
40:10But what's it like?
40:11I mean, yes.
40:12I mean, of course, you know, the different courses.
40:14And, you know, you have lovely food and wines and everything.
40:17But the reality is, it is a family getting together.
40:20It's literally a family sitting down, catching up with each other.
40:23I thought it was actually quite nice because they're all in Scotland.
40:25Obviously, as we said, it's holiday week.
40:27I think it was the night before they ordered the Thistle procession.
40:31Obviously, they've all been staying there.
40:33It's a chance for them as a family to have drinks, have a meal, spend time.
40:37And the reality is, I think I'm going to be assuming they're talking about all the bigger subjects.
40:41But it's not just about the bigger subjects.
40:43They've just had a royal wedding recently.
40:44They might be talking about the royal wedding, talking about things that come up.
40:47And also, can I say, reflect on the late Queen.
40:48Because also, I believe Victoria probably knows me about this than me.
40:53But there was a plaque or something unveiled at St Giles' to mark the occasion of the Queen when her
40:59body was there.
41:00They've put something to remember the day, that occasion.
41:05But what's the banter like?
41:06I mean, I know in my family, it's all sort of like sibling rivalry, taking the mick out of each
41:11other constantly.
41:12Oh, it is.
41:12Is there any of that?
41:13Oh, there's banter.
41:14There is.
41:14There's a lot of humour.
41:16I mean, I've actually dined with them on occasions at Christmas.
41:20And, you know, I think I've said to you, we've had water balloon fights and things going on.
41:25And there's a bit of kind of comedy that goes on as well.
41:28It's not quite as, it's not quite a pupil I think would imagine.
41:32They have fun.
41:32They're a family.
41:33Didn't Prince Harry, when he used to be fun, pop a whoopee cushion under Prince Philip's seat?
41:39Oh, yes.
41:39So that when the Duke of England were sat down?
41:41I mean, I've heard that.
41:42And the Queen would love that kind of thing.
41:44They were all very much practical jokers.
41:46I'm sure we've spoke of this before.
41:47And that's what I learned from them, is they all have this amazing, every one of them,
41:52right down to the King, the late Queen, Prince Philip, they're all practical jokers.
41:56And when they have a meal or a family get together, there is a lot of laughter as well,
42:00which is great because, you know, it's a time for them to kind of relax as well.
42:04Yeah.
42:04Well, the Princess of Wales will have missed that because she was here in London for Wimbledon
42:09and we've had wonderful pictures of her coming in today.
42:12And why would you not be at Wimbledon?
42:13It's marvellous.
42:13It's my favourite.
42:14Well, of course, she is the president of the All England Club
42:17and she's passionate about the sport.
42:19She's a very good tennis player.
42:21And as much as she enjoys playing it, she also enjoys watching it.
42:25And she never disappoints when she turns up at Wimbledon.
42:27But what I loved so much about today's visit was there was no Royal Box.
42:31Oh, no, no, no.
42:32I know.
42:32She was in the queue.
42:34She was in the queue meeting tennis fans who were queuing up to get tickets,
42:39something that she used to do when she was much younger with her sister Pippa.
42:42They were avid tennis fans.
42:44Love that.
42:44She was selling tickets.
42:46She was going up and shaking people's hands in the queue because, you know,
42:48she would have probably camped out since the early hours as a youngster herself.
42:51And I thought, again, this is her bringing the human touch to the job.
42:55And I love that.
42:56And then when you contrast that to Harry's pathetic squabble over security
43:02and her ease amongst the public and everything else.
43:05Stay calm.
43:05It's a contrast.
43:06I'm sorry.
43:06You know, the only thing I think that would upset the two of you if you went to Wimbledon
43:09in the Royal Box is that ladies get asked to remove the hats.
43:13Ah, OK.
43:14So I wouldn't be wearing one in the beginning, Grant, because I absolutely hate wearing hats.
43:17But you have to to be in the Royal Box.
43:19George, you'd be out there with everyone else.
43:21That's fine.
43:21Well, you have to walk in.
43:22It's good enough for the princess.
43:23It's good enough for me to be out with the great unwashed.
43:26I love that.
43:27Well, I thought it was lovely to see her out.
43:29And she really looked like she was enjoying it.
43:31And it's been a pretty packed Royal Box.
43:33I know she hasn't in there today, but we will definitely see her.
43:35I reckon we'll probably see her with Princess Charlotte, Victoria, maybe even Pippa.
43:39She has done in previous years.
43:40She has.
43:40And actually, talk about Wimbledon and this personal connection, of course, that was one
43:44of the few things that she did do while she was still receiving her cancer treatment in
43:472024.
43:48In that resplendent purple dress.
43:50And she got that big standing ovation.
43:52You know, people were so excited and so happy to see her.
43:55So it's something I think that she really, she genuinely loves on a personal level as well.
43:59She used to, Highgrove used to see a plane tent at Harham William, used to drive
44:03past one of the neighbours who allowed them to use the tennis coats because they're not
44:07at Highgrove.
44:08And you see the two of them playing tennis.
44:10So they both love tennis.
44:11And getting very competitive.
44:13They're very competitive.
44:14Oh, gosh, yeah.
44:15I can imagine.
44:15The two of them are very competitive, yeah.
44:18I love that.
44:19Well, that is it from us this week.
44:21Thank you to our guests, Victoria Murphy and Tom Sykes.
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