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In West Asia, a 60-day ceasefire between Iran, the United States, and Israel has reignited debate over shifting regional power dynamics, even as preparations continue for the funeral of Iran's late Supreme Leader under heightened security.
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00:02hello and welcome you watching india first i'm gaurav sawan india has once again read the right
00:09act to pakistan on the indus waters treaty blood and water cannot flow together pakistan has
00:17indulged in a lot of breast beating since that actual beating during operation simdo pakistani
00:23diplomats civil society intellectuals closet jihadis including some on the payroll of pakistan's isi
00:32they've been raising the issue of the indus waters treaty being held in advance since the
00:37pehel gum terror attack saying india is weaponizing water but do keep one thing in mind this milk of
00:45human kindness cannot be a one-way street pakistan cannot continue to brazenly kill indian citizens
00:53in one terror attack after the other and expect india to be kind enough and be more than generous
01:01with the indus waters treaty since 1960 no longer should india care more about pakistani interests
01:12india is more concerned about the safety and welfare of indian citizens so the center has made it very
01:21clear there is no change in india's position on the indus waters treaty and that the treaty would
01:28continue to be held in abeyance until pakistan takes clear visible and irreversible steps to end cross
01:38border terrorism the spokesperson for the ministry of external affairs additional secretary randir jaiswal he
01:45iterated india's position that the treaty remains held in abeyance and that india urges pakistan to
01:51abjure promoting cross-border terrorism the strongly worded remarks came after pakistan's climate change
01:57minister musaddik malik warned that islamabad would cut off the hands that sought to claim pakistan's
02:06share of the water under the treaty but do keep in mind pakistan is being very economical with the truth
02:14india hasn't even utilized india's entire share of the water what india is doing right now
02:22is talking about utilizing india's entire share of the indus waters treaty pakistan's information minister
02:30ataullah tarar insisted that the 1960 world bank brokered agreement remains legally binding and could
02:38neither be suspended nor amended unilaterally but that is his claim that treaty was entered into in good
02:50faith hoping that there would be good relations between india and pakistan what does pakistan do it is a
02:59state sponsor of radical islamist terror it has relentlessly bled india through terror across multiple
03:07cities over decades and yet it wants the indus waters to flow unhindered unchecked including india's
03:17share of that water that they've been so generously getting but india's made it very clear they want
03:22this treaty renegotiated but in a terror-free environment on the 23rd of april 2025 a day after
03:30the pehelgam terror attack new daily announced that indus waters treaty would be held in abeyance with
03:34immediate effect till pakistan credibly and irrevocably ends its support to cross-border terrorism and since
03:41then there have been a series of major infrastructure and water management steps that have been accelerated
03:48across the chinna basin and the adjoining rivers in jammu and in kishmir now let me tell you some
03:55of the steps that india is taking and you must know these steps sediment flushing that's been completed
04:01at the salal baglehar and the dulhasti dams now this marks a very significant step in improving the
04:09operational efficiency the water storage capabilities and long-term hydropower output across key projects
04:18on the chinab river imagine earlier pakistan wouldn't let india even carry out the desilting process it would
04:26raise unnecessary objections and india out of this milk of human kindness that was overflowing
04:33they would permit pakistan to block them and carry out various uh checks yes but then also uh challenge
04:40it in international courts india says no more we don't listen into any arbitration on the generation
04:47front power generation front there are four major hydroelectric projects pakuldul kiru kwar and ratle
04:56they've been fast-tracked the savalkot hydroelectric project has cleared environmental approval and this
05:03signals major expansion of installed capacity along the chinab corridor in parallel work on the inter-basin
05:13water transfer is also moving forward there of course now is a feasibility study that's been initiated for
05:20a 113 kilometer long link to divert the surplus water chinab water chinab waters towards the bias basin
05:29so the chinab bias link 3 project has also been approved alongside tendering process for a dedicated
05:37tunnel project now that's for execution of this project and that will truly be a game changer that's not
05:44all a separate 8.7 kilometer long himalayan tunnel through the great watershed region is also now in
05:52the works it's being planned designed to enable large-scale diversion and integration with the broader
05:59ravi bayas satloj river system now imagine when all of this comes together these steps reflect accelerated
06:07hydropower expansion we are well within our rights to do so improved water basin management and a clear
06:13strategic push towards maximum domestic utilization of the indus basin waters india's message to that
06:23state sponsor of radical islamist terror is clear the blood of indians is not less precious than water for
06:32pakistanis india is only taking our share of the water utilizing it in times to come the treaty has been
06:40more than generous for the state sponsor of radical islamist terror now pakistan must choose continued
06:47support to radical islamist terror hafiz muhammad saeed dowd ibrahim that maulana of terror masood azhar
06:54that india-centric military jihad network they need to dismantle it and that is already resulting not
07:02dismantling it is resulting in more pain being inflicted on pakistan's military terror network you saw
07:07that in operation sindur costs imposed not just on terrorists but also on their akas on the pakistan
07:13armed forces so pakistan that is on the verge of bankruptcy should wake up lived it should live
07:21like a civilized neighbor and enjoy the benefits of having a rich prosperous neighbor and of course the
07:27indus waters treaty the ball is very clearly in pakistan's court listen in to what the spokesperson for
07:36the ministry of external affairs additional secretary randhi jaiswal had to say india's position on the
07:43indus waters treaty is consistent iwt stands in abeyance in response to pakistan's continued
07:52sponsorship of terrorism sorry cross-border terrorism pakistan must credibly and irrevocably
07:59abjure its support for cross-border terrorism i want to bring in pranay upadhyay my colleague for
08:07more on this pranay we've noticed especially in the past 10-15 days and more so after operation
08:15sindur pakistanis are flapping like headless chicken whether in pakistan or in europe and in united states
08:22trying to create uh a buzz around the indus waters treaty saying our paani band kardia india shut
08:29our water why are they flapping like headless chicken it's actually poor water management on
08:33their part india's only utilizing what is ours absolutely gaurav you're absolutely right that
08:40pakistan is increasingly using as a campaign against india to build some kind of uh opinion
08:45and and in fact they think that uh they can gania they can get support from the international
08:50community especially in so-called uh this environment where pakistan is being talked about
08:55for their role in in you brokering some kind of iran us deal but they are forgetting that the word
09:01there are two words abeyance and termination the deep treaty has not been terminated the treaty
09:06is only been put into an abeyance and that too they are not uh highlighting they are not telling to
09:12the
09:12world that india has written multiple times to pakistan to renegotiate in this water treaty because
09:19the reality has uh let's keep aside the issue of terrorism for a while so it's an important issue
09:25for india but let's keep it aside but the reality has ground reality has changed population has has
09:30changed in in the area and the water requirements have changed also the the landscape has has changed
09:36india need that kind of water and india all wanted india uh written a letter sent many
09:42multiple letters to pakistani side to renegotiate the india water treaty and they did not pay any
09:46heed to that when and if you come to the issue of terrorism this treaty when broken it when when
09:51it
09:51was signed in 1960 it's the mandate the preamble of the treaty clearly says that it will be continued
09:56in the spirit of goodwill cooperation and friendship which unfortunately never existed this
10:01it was india's goodwill gesture that this treaty withstood three wars and multiple terror
10:06incidents multiple terror attacks but now india has decided to put in abeyance and you heard
10:11the spokesperson of the ministry of external affairs clearly stating that till the time pakistan
10:16irrevocably abjure its support for cross-water terrorism the treaty indus water treaty will
10:21remain in abeyance oh absolutely the ball very clearly is in pakistan's court they must choose
10:29if they prefer hafiz saeed and masood azar and dowd ibrahim and those radical islamist terrorists who bleed india
10:36if they prefer that to water fair enough or they can take action against these terrorists
10:42and then enjoy the benefits of the indus waters treaty we'll be tracking that story very closely
10:46pranay for the moment many thanks
10:53i now want to shift focus to the other big story iran is sending out a big signal to the
11:00world with a
11:01week-long funeral procession of iran's late supreme leader ayatollah ali khamenei the message is clear
11:10iran rises resistance continues ayatollah ali khamenei was killed on the 28th of february this year
11:18in the opening hours of the u.s israel military campaign against iran iranian authorities say he
11:25died in coordinated strikes on tehran that also killed several members of his family and senior
11:31iranian officials his funeral was originally planned in march it was repeatedly postponed because of the
11:38conflict and the security situation the state funeral it's begun in tehran ayatollah ali khamenei's
11:46body it will lie in state there are massive public processions that have been planned millions are
11:53expected on the streets of tehran in kum multiple cities across iran and then also najaf and karbala
12:01in iraq the ceremonies move to the holy city of kum uh the shia shrine of najaf and karbala in
12:08iraq
12:08the burial will take place in his hometown in mashad that will be on the 9th of july near the
12:15imam reza
12:16shrine iranian authorities expect a turnout that will run into many millions some say
12:23close to 20 million people are expected this is one of iran's largest ever public gathering
12:30a notable absentee however would be iran's new supreme leader mujtapah khamenei now according to
12:38ayatollah hakim ilahi the supreme leader's representative in india mujtapah khamenei is
12:44unlikely to make a public appearance because of the extraordinary security concerns ilahi says
12:51mujtapah wishes to meet the mourners but security agencies advise him against it they said there
12:57should be no public appearance because of tensions with israel world leaders and according to reports
13:05from iran leaders and representatives from close to 30 countries will be in tehran to pay their respects
13:12the indian side is being represented by lieutenant general sayyad atta hasnen the governor of bihar and
13:21of course minister of state for external affairs pabitra margarita there's been a very long diplomatic
13:27engagement in fact india and iran have civilizational ties iran's president masood prizashkian had
13:34invited prime minister narendra modi to be a part of uh the last rights but he's unable to
13:41attend because of prior commitments he has a three-nation tour that starts on the 6th of july
13:47congress leader salman khursheed pdb chief mebuma mufti and several other indian leaders are also
13:54attending the funeral procession amongst those from other countries include pakistan's prime minister
13:59shabazz sharif russian security uh council deputy chairman dimitri medvedev and turkia's vice president
14:06along with tajikistan's president georgia president afghanistan's foreign minister and
14:13several chinese lawmakers we are told the representation the list of representations
14:19is representatives is huge india today incidentally is on ground zero india today's foreign affairs
14:25derita geeta mohan is on ground zero she sent us this report india today global and archter are
14:36bringing you exclusive reports from ground zero in tehran we are here to cover the seven-day funeral
14:42ceremony of late supreme leader ayatollah ali khamenei world leaders from across 30 nations people from
14:49across the world uh around 20 million of them are going to descend upon the city of tehran and if
14:56i
14:56could ask my camera person satya to show you what the city looks like this is darban where we are
15:03and
15:04this is where we can show you the entire north of tehran there are major installations that have been placed
15:10where uh the procession will be going through and people will stop there a lot of them going to offer
15:16prayers the city always is a hustle bustle of people noise uh traffic but today if you come over here
15:26this city is under complete lockdown most of them are staying home the grieving certainly has begun
15:33and the preparation is because of security reasons quite quite good where there are security installations
15:42personnel at every corner of the road the procession will take place from uh from uh from one stretch
15:48to the other when it comes to the city of tehran but this is a funeral ceremony that spans seven
15:54days
15:55and two countries iran and iraq najaf and karbala is also where uh the late supreme leaders mortal remains
16:02will be taken to so over here where the world leaders have gathered iran is showing defiance against the
16:10attack that killed the supreme leader on the first day of the war between us israel and iran
16:21we are in darban square where preparations are underway for the funeral ceremony of late supreme leader
16:29ayatollah ali khamenei but there are stores where people and shops where people also lost their loved
16:36ones so if you see over here preparations underway the black cloth that has covered the entire space of
16:43this restaurant and then not only have they placed ayatollah khamenei's uh photograph over here if you see
16:51they've also placed photographs of the loved ones uh who they lost uh during the war
17:04black is the color of mourning and that's what you're seeing here in the city of tehran we're going
17:11to see it in comb in najaf in karbala in mashad but today in the city of tehran which is
17:17preparing
17:17for the beginning of the funeral ceremony of late supreme leader ayatollah ali khamenei you can see
17:24this is tajurish square we'd been here earlier before the war during the war and now after the
17:33war in the ceasefire period the 60-day ceasefire period which is where the funeral ceremony is now
17:40taking place it took so long 120 days for the funeral to take places because uh the the war was
17:47ongoing
17:48people could not have come out to pay the last respects in a situation where there were security
17:54threats and attacks happening every day it was then followed by maharam and during the holy days of
18:01maharam uh the funeral could not have taken place and that's why after asura after the maharam days
18:08uh the funeral is now going to take place uh the period the window is the ceasefire between
18:14u.s and iran that was signed the memorandum of understanding that two sides came to uh agreement
18:22with in uh switzerland and now we are looking at the final procession and the final rights of the late
18:32leader being carried out here in iran but it's not just iran that's mourning the shia world the sunni
18:40world included the islamic world and leaders from across other faiths are going to come here
18:48to pay their last respects and mourn with tehran the death of their supreme leader because of an
18:56assassination attack that was carried out by the united states of america and we here
19:01are going to tell you exactly what's happening on the ground keep watching the space with video
19:07journalist at the jree square geeta mohan reporting for india today we will continue to get you geeta
19:15mohan's reports from ground zero iran is very clearly sending out a message internally within the country
19:23across the region in west asia and the world with these grand funeral ceremonies that will be carried out
19:31for the late supreme leader across multiple cities including najaf and karbala in iraq millions will
19:37take to the streets the biggest gathering in decades so if the united states and israel sought to divide
19:43iran if they thought people would come out on the streets against the supreme leader against the
19:49regime if this was their expectation on the 28th of february the result is just the opposite has iran
19:57actually emerged more united and stronger than before joining me on this special broadcast sayyad
20:04akif zaidi he's a research scholar and political analyst who joins us from tehran richard sanders is
20:10senior fellow uh for the western hemisphere at the center for national interest he joins us from washington
20:15dc ambassador ashok sajjanar his former top diplomat watches the region very carefully um and closely
20:22joins us on this broadcast gentlemen welcome sayyad akif zaidi president masood pizashkian's message to iran
20:28is we must rise give us details of the aim of this ceremony sir the the large the huge funeral
20:38ceremony
20:38that's planned what's the message that iran wants to convey internally and to the world
20:46yes you're quite right uh this has been planned uh in such a way to so as to send out
20:52a powerful
20:53message to the entire world to those who are in iran and to those outside and the message is as
20:59you i
21:00would commend you for your initial introduction as you rightly put it it is to send the message
21:05that the resistance continues but i would add something to that that the resistance continues
21:11continues at a higher level and with a greater level of commitment and intensity than it has since
21:171979 that is the message inside iran that is the message outside iran that phrase we must rise we must
21:25rise is the is the slogan of the entire campaign that is around this both inside iran and outside iran
21:34we must rise up to face oppression and to stare down the world's oppressors we must rise
21:40rise to bring about justice not just in iran but on the global stage as well that's the message that
21:47is being sent out through this event let me bring in richard sanders into this conversation sir if the
21:54u.s wanted a weaker iran a divided iran uh people coming out on the streets against the regime
22:02the thought process in february the subsequent actions and the impact in july very different from
22:09what the u.s and israel hoped well unquestionably this is a thoroughly stage managed event um
22:19i would certainly call it an impressive managerial feat and uh they are using it to propagandize the world to
22:27create the message that you know we are strong we are in charge uh we are the winners a reality
22:34of
22:34course is more complicated than that and i suspect the policy makers uh in iran uh know that uh there's
22:40still great many issues to be resolved on the gulf uh the straits of hormones on iran's nuclear program
22:48um and these these aren't going to go away and uh for you know for now yes they will have
22:53uh this vast
22:54ceremony uh but that will be over and the negotiations uh will need to go forward
23:00okay ambassador sajan har your reading is iran today stronger uh has it emerged much stronger
23:08compared to where it was on the 27th of february or is this just a very well choreographed
23:15stage managed event as far as iran's concerned yeah thank you very much gaurav you know the two
23:21things that you mentioned they are not contradictory of course it's very well stage managed choreographed
23:27event but that having been said iran has emerged stronger it has more leverages in its hand which
23:34it did not know that existed or it had never used them earlier first is in terms of the control
23:41that
23:41it has on the state of hormones of course the whole uh global economy has suffered as a result of
23:47that
23:48so i think once the war is over we will have to see as to what the impact of this
23:53has been on iran's
23:55relations with the other countries you know which have suffered as a result of this action by iran
24:01second leverage is in terms of hitting out against the gulf states which again it had never done in
24:07the past and it has struck not only at the american bases as it claims but it has struck at
24:15desalination
24:16plants at pipelines oil refineries so much of them so i think we'll have to wait and see as to
24:23what goes
24:24forward that having been said gaurav let me make two very quick points number one you know of course
24:31in the shia philosophy martyrdom is a very important act of any individual any human being so of course
24:41ayatollah khamenei will be projected is being projected as a martyr to the cause of iran's glory
24:49but uh equally if not more importantly you know what you mentioned that mushtabha khamenei is not
24:56going to be there now it is uh you know the funeral was not organized over the last hundred or
25:03days
25:03because it was thought security was not good enough but right now it is thought security is good enough
25:10for what you said about 20 million people to come out on the roads then why is the security
25:17not good enough for mushtabha khamenei also that's an interesting point and let me take that to sayyad
25:23akib zaydi that's a very interesting point to raise uh you know ayatollah mushtabha khamenei
25:28not going to make an appearance is that worrisome does he remain firmly in control since nobody's seen him
25:35since the 28th of february because there are those who say very well choreographed event over the next
25:42six days or five days but the real leadership is not is not consolidated it's irgc commanders who run the
25:50country sir
25:52uh i think this is a good opportunity to make a very important point here that uh that ever since
25:57the mou has been uh signed uh we've seen uh a consensus emerge among both both among those who
26:05support the american zionist attack on iran and the continued pressure on iran and iran's resistance
26:12and that consensus is that iran has definitely emerged as a threshold superpower on the world
26:20stage uh this is not something that i am saying you can refer to the new york times to robert
26:25papp to
26:27bob kagan you can refer to john mulch time and a lot of other american analysts none of whom has
26:32sympathetic to the iran to iran or to its islamic resistance so i think this has been well established
26:39and it's also pretty clear that iran as a powerful resistance movement moves on its own terms is not
26:46particularly bothered by being boxed in by concerns or questions around why is it not safe enough for
26:53much the bahamini to come into the public or not this is not a concern either for the iranian public
26:58or for the iranian establishment we can quibble and argue about these minor relevant irrelevant side
27:04points but the fundamental change that has happened in the world order as a result of the american defeat
27:11in this battle once again it was a defeat in the battle because the war continues that has changed
27:17the global balance of power dramatically in favor of iran and of the islamic resistance axis and this
27:23this funeral procession or this funeral program deeply grounded as it is in shia tradition needs no
27:31stage managing choreography or any of these negatively loaded terms to be used it's deeply rooted in shia
27:38culture martyred you don't need to project ayatollah khamenei as a martyr he is seen and believed to be
27:44a martyr not just by millions of shias around the world but by the entire islamic ummad barring a few
27:50little as they are called sultanates here and there and that too not their population their rulers so this
27:57whole situation has changed and if we need to be having discussions which are useful for our viewers we
28:03need to move beyond those old outdated framings of iran being illegitimate a rogue state unpopular
28:10among its people under pressure the world has moved on it's time that that our discussion has the world
28:17moved on uh you know iran striking countries in the neighborhood would make the neighborhood very
28:24uncomfortable but be that as it may you've raised some very pertinent points richard sanders would you
28:29agree that iran has emerged or is emerging as a superpower and america the world's biggest economic
28:39power and military power according to iran stands defeated in battle though the war is still on
28:47well i think the idea that iran is some kind of superpower is extraordinarily inflated um iran uh first of
28:56all
28:56uh the internal legitimacy of the government uh it's not judged by the ability to orchestrate crowds on
29:04the street um it's by the will of the people and iran does not hold the kind of free and
29:09fair elections
29:10that convey democratic legitimacy that's just not the case
29:18i would also note that uh you know iran has enormous internal issues um uh it is uh uh in
29:28in desperate
29:28need of uh uh you know returning to uh uh to oil production and and distribution uh that's why it
29:36is
29:36pressing so hard uh to uh uh to have sanctions lifted etc um iran has in in the past
29:44uh had large uh large internal protests um uh that have been brutally repressed we should not forget
29:52how that uh panned out and uh at the same time uh we're talking about a country whose capital um
29:58is
29:59facing enormous water shortages um uh iran has a lot on its plate and to call it a superpower i
30:06think
30:07just doesn't really uh stand up to the test of reality so they were able to withstand and uh
30:13they were able to withstand the combined armed forces of the united states and israel not just
30:21in 2025 but also in 2026 they were able to force an mou or a ceasefire predominantly on their terms
30:30in terms of whether it's the money that is to be released uh uh to them uh whether uh it's
30:37it's uh
30:38you know their control over state of humus we'll come to other aspects in just a moment uh you know
30:44putting the nuclear issue in in a freeze for the 60-day period wouldn't you think so that iran has
30:51emerged stronger in july compared to february mr sanders they certainly have have gained some uh
30:58elements uh in the course of the uh conflict and the negotiation i'm not going to deny that
31:03and at the same time uh they uh they have to answer uh to a lot of other pressures and
31:12um the nuclear
31:14question remains of the highest priority to the united states and i i want to see how that will be
31:19resolved if uh uh you know the vague promises are not enough we have to begin the 60-day negotiation
31:27process yes and and see where it goes um iran always says we have no interest in a nuclear weapon
31:33uh but i suspect uh that uh that isn't doesn't really uh uh pass the smell test to much of
31:42the world
31:42okay ambassador sajjan har you want to weigh in on this because the message that iran wants to send out
31:47is love loyalty and the power of resistance against the united states of america and israel
31:56now should that be a cause for concern both for the u.s and for israel and also of course
32:01countries
32:02in the neighborhood because iran has demonstrated the capability should they side with the united
32:07states or israel iran is willing to strike them and once they've iran's hit them once they can be hit
32:13again yeah no absolutely you're very right uh gaurav let me make a couple of points very very quickly
32:19number one you know that uh as far as the war is concerned i think it will be an exaggeration
32:25to say
32:25that iran has beaten the uh biggest uh military power in the world no militarily it has been
32:32completely vanquished you know whether it's it's army air force navy they have not been able to stand
32:38up to iran iran has used asymmetric warfare and you know meaning in terms of uh straight of hormones
32:45meaning that is not direct warfare in which iran has won but it has been able to utilize
32:51that leverage that has been available to it and also it has struck against the gulf states not
32:58one of them has fired back so you know in that sense they have been sitting ducks so you know
33:04saying that militarily it has won i think that is a huge exaggeration second point you know what our
33:10friend from iran is saying that you know all these uh mr meir shimer and robert pape and all those
33:17people are saying that iran has emerged as uh super power so you take those comments seriously
33:24and you applaud them but when those possibly those same uh uh you know interlocutors say that
33:32mushtaba khamini is not coming in so that speaks of some serious issues as far as the countries is
33:38concerned then you say but give me 30 seconds to raise one more point sir and imagine sajana i want
33:43to
33:44begin by asking you there are representatives of 30 countries who will be there some heads of state
33:49heads of government representatives of many countries including india what message does that single
33:54send out because if iran and is if america and israel wanted iran isolated the situation is very very
34:00different sir no no no absolutely but you see the people are coming because after all uh we shouldn't
34:07say that you know iran is uh friendless uh iran has a large number of friends large number of uh
34:13partners
34:14you know india is uh a civilizational you know we have civilizational ties you said yourself right at the
34:21beginning so i think we value those ties and but i think we also have to be realistic in terms
34:28of you
34:28know we want uh if you have a nuclear iran nuclear weapon state uh in iran what is going to
34:36be the
34:36impact as far as that region is concerned what is saudi arabia going to do what is turkey going to
34:43do
34:43so i think in terms of the instability that it is going to bring in there so i think those
34:49are all the
34:50challenges the last point gaurav if you permit i'll make is you know when we have seen it around the
34:56world and this is a lesson of history when you see that there is an attack from outside the whole
35:03country irrespective of the differences rises up to protect the flag rises up under the flag
35:09but you know once things become come to back to normal then of course all the challenges
35:16will come up as far as the iranian government or establishment let's not forget that do you expect
35:24that to happen uh you know once the war is on the back burner that's the time that the real
35:31troubles that iran faces will come to the fore um i i think yeah i've learned a lot from this
35:39discussion
35:39i see that uh i i see that your the guests that we have in this program the two other
35:46guests that we
35:46have uh they have not been able to come to terms with the shifts that have happened in the west
35:52station region in particular and the global stage and on the global stage of course there are problems
35:58in iran there are problems in every country and they will continue to be in every country
36:01the instead of quibbling about these minor details which are there in every country iran has its own
36:07problems every country has its own problems the fundamental shift in global order is something that
36:13we need to come to terms with and it is disappointing to see that the other guests are still speaking
36:18as if we're
36:18having this conversation is 2024 the world has moved ahead west west Asia has a fundamental shift
36:25wouldn't that be clearer the nature of the 60 days post the 60 days mo you step one what emerges
36:34from
36:34discussions ultimately beyond the 60 days is where perhaps victors or the ground reality would be
36:41clearer uh mr richard sanders would you agree because iran and many of the allies are very clear they've
36:48emerged as and as an emerging superpower in their control over straight of humus now that may be a
36:55very contentious issue but there are countries that are willing to pay to see trade move
37:01well the state of the straits of hormuz is yet to be resolved um under the 14 point agreement uh
37:10tolls are
37:11not to be uh charged uh certainly during this 60-day period uh you know i thought iran behaved in
37:18extraordinarily irresponsible way uh in firing on innocent uh um oil tankers uh twice uh there was a
37:28sharp response so did the u.s the u.s also fired in fact one indian was unfortunately killed in
37:33u.s firing
37:34so both have been extremely irresponsible sir i would not uh agree with that statement uh we had the 14
37:42points iran chose uh to to fire upon innocent tankers uh and you know there was a response certainly any
37:52death is regrettable uh but uh you know iran is seeking to flex power uh and uh there was a
38:00response
38:00what they need to do is seriously negotiate over the outstanding uh issues uh and not uh uh not not
38:08not pretend that they will all go away and that they are now able to struggle around the world stage
38:13uh this is too important to uh um have that kind of uh on a serious approach fair enough and
38:22that is
38:22where this situation remains extremely volatile i want to stand uh thank all my guests but i quickly
38:28want to cut across to tehran uh my colleague geeta mohan with this report the lockdown of the central
38:36part of tehran now is underway saturday sunday all streets that are leading up to the grand masala
38:42or the grand mosque will be completely shut down only bikes are being allowed in this is only one
38:49stretch of the road by this afternoon we were looking at all the roads that lead up to the grand
38:55masala are going to be shut down for any traffic if you turn around if i ask satya to turn
39:02around
39:02he'll show you that the traffic is being stopped every in every crossroad that leads up to the grand
39:09musala and traffic is being diverted security under place uh emergency services satya on the right
39:16under place uh where you have uh the medic services all on standby there is one part of the road
39:24if i
39:25could ask satya to turn around there's one part of the road every left-hand side of the road now
39:30has
39:30become an emergency service lane and should there be any untoward incident these medical emergency
39:35services will then be pressed into action uh to ensure that those who are uh hurt are taken on an
39:43immediate basis to the nearest hospitals now this uh entire infrastructure will be replaced till monday
39:50morning uh saturday sunday are the formal days for uh the mortal remains of the ayatollah late supreme
39:59leader ayatollah late khamenei who would be whose mortal remains would be placed in the grand musala and
40:06world leaders people from across tehran across iran across the muslim world and across in fact uh people
40:14from faiths of uh from from other faiths across the world are going to come pay their last respects and
40:21then the mortal remains will then be taken to comb from there to najaf and karbala and then back to
40:27ashad where he'll be laid to rest but for now what you're looking at over here is ensuring that
40:33infrastructure security and logistics are in place so that no untoward incident takes place or happens
40:41when the processions begin and you can see that there are water services that are being provided
40:47it's quite hot right now in tehran and so water services being provided for all those uh security
40:54agencies and personnel were deployed in every corner of the street in every main uh crossroad uh to
41:02ensure that there's smooth traffic smooth diversion of traffic and roads like this that lead up to
41:08grand musala are completely blocked for traffic until sunday or until monday morning so we'll be bringing
41:16you all those reports and what's happening right now in tehran is also what's going to happen in the
41:22coming days when the funeral procession will take place and the ceremony will conclude here in tehran
41:29for the procession to move to calm and then to iraq with video journalist satir out ray in the heart
41:35of
41:36tehran geeta mohan reporting for india today the sang pariwar has broken its silence on the shri ram
41:42mandir chandachori episode the rashtriya swayam sevak sangh has described the theft of offerings for
41:50maryada porshottam shri ram as a betrayal of the astha of shri ram bhakt insisting that those responsible
41:57must face the strictest action they've also urged the hindu community to be patient remain calm they've
42:06warned of a conspiracy attempts by anti-hindu elements to defame the entire community and the
42:12movement using one incident now bjp leader vinay katyar he claimed that he'd spoken to prime minister
42:21narendra modi about the mandir loot and briefed him about the developments sources have categorically
42:27told india today that prime minister neither spoke to vinay katyar either on phone or personally met him
42:35on the shri ram mandir issue in fact rss chief mohan bhagwat has reacted to this incident on the ram
42:44mandir chandachori controversy he said ram ram when asked about people undermining the entire effort
42:52of faith in maryada porshottam shri ram and the temple listening
43:07yeah
43:19professor rakesh sinha is former member of parliament rajasawa an author and a thinker uh
43:26uh it has been associated with the rashya swam sevak sank professor sinna welcome
43:31a betrayal of the
43:33Astha of Sri Ram
43:35the RSS has finally responded
43:37but why
43:39so late sir?
43:45You know
43:46this question is not merely
43:48a question of theft
43:51RSS is emotionally hurt
43:53because we never thought
43:55that such incident would take place
43:56that's why RSS in its own
43:59has given a statement
44:01that said that
44:04we have faith on the investigation
44:07what is the most important thing
44:10in last hundred years
44:12RSS has established itself
44:14that we are not the people
44:16of contested morality
44:18we established our
44:20credibility in this society
44:21as far as the character of the
44:24Swayan Sivak is concerned
44:25therefore there is no dispute
44:27that RSS
44:29would do everything
44:31so that the erosion
44:34there should not be any erosion of faith
44:35but the most important thing is that
44:38those people who have disputed
44:41faith on Bhagawan Ram
44:42they have never shown
44:44their categorical faith in Bhagawan Ram
44:46they have not visited
44:47the Bhagawan Ram's temple
44:48Ayodhya
45:10that's why
45:12that's why
45:22the Congress party
45:25is saying that the RSS response
45:27okay
45:28go on sir
45:32you know
45:33the
45:34Sangha Paribar is an ideological family
45:36we are not divided family
45:39and
45:40Vishnu Tupersad
45:41the international
45:41president
45:43Arlo Kumarji
45:44has already given
45:45this statement
45:46as soon as the incident took place
45:47he had given this statement
45:48he categorically said
45:50that investigation
45:50would take place
45:51and we are
45:52that
45:53we are for the
45:55we stand that
45:56those who are culprit
45:57who so ever may be
45:58should be booked
45:59this is the statement
46:00of Vishnu Tupersad
46:01now RSS has reiterated
46:03and this is the official statement
46:04of the RSS
46:05is
46:05shows that
46:07we are the people
46:08who are moralizing
46:09the public life
46:10we stand to
46:12moralistic public life
46:14the organization
46:15which served the nation
46:16for last hundred years
46:18and in the tribal area
46:19hundreds and thousands
46:20of people left
46:21home and earth
46:22to rebuild the nation
46:24nobody can imagine
46:26that RSS
46:27will stand for those
46:28who are
46:29doing some
46:30immoral thing
46:31this is not
46:32this is also
46:35this is not
46:35it's not
46:36how important
46:37it is
46:42that
46:42they were lining
46:56their pockets
47:00you know
47:01So, the character is not the monopoly of any individual, community, ideology or organization.
47:08There can be good and bad people everywhere and incidents take place, then we evolve ourselves,
47:14we try to become more transparent, we become more cautious.
47:18But before the investigation, we cannot say something about our people.
47:22We cannot define someone that he has done something or he has not done something.
47:29Let the investigation take place, I am giving one instance.
47:32I was the member of the Tripathi Trust and being the member of the Tripathi Trust, I was also
47:37the chairman of the Delhi Trust Tripathi Board.
47:40A key of Hundi was with me.
47:43There are three keys, one was the Tripathi, the other was someone else and the third key
47:50was with me.
47:51They asked me the key, I said I will not give the key before the Hundi is open.
47:56The date was decided, when they pressurized me, I said I would inform the police.
48:02When date was decided, I handed over the key, I was present there, there were 1 crore 39
48:08lakh rupees from that Hundi.
48:10Earlier, only 34 lakh, 35 lakh, 60 lakh rupees from the Hundi.
48:14This was the post-Covid when most of the time temple was closed.
48:18So, people at different levels do something but I was cautious.
48:23Had I not been cautious.
48:28He was the driver of some very powerful people.
48:31You know, there are many people.
48:34All the people in the room.
48:35There are so many people in the room.
48:39Shri Ram Mandir was so great and that was such a big concern.
48:44Look, it had not been opened with the Shri Ram Mandir.
48:50This is called the Chanda Chori, which caused a incident.
48:55Thousands and millions of people have sacrificed for the Ram temple.
48:59And our Astha is undiluted there.
49:01And there is nothing to do about the faith in the Bhagavan Ram and Ajodhya Ji, a holy place Ajodhya
49:08Ji.
49:08We call it Ajodhya Ji.
49:10So, this is not going to harm us.
49:12Only thing is that this has taken place.
49:14This is the truth.
49:15The investigation is going on.
49:16The Uttar Pradesh government has taken the decision.
49:18RSS is standing for this.
49:20The central government is standing for this.
49:22What else do you want?
49:24Sir, things take place.
49:25I'll tell you what the Congress party is saying.
49:26That's why I have to come and say something.
49:29I'll tell you what the Congress party is saying.
49:31They are saying that the RSS response amounts to a clean chit for the accused.
49:36They are now saying this shows that RSS is fraudulently involved and it's a fraudulent outfit.
49:44What would you say about these political attacks that RSS is facing from the Congress now, sir?
49:52Sir, I don't want to comment on Congress party, which party president.
49:57The family is responsible for the plunder of the Nasser Herald and Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi are on the
50:05way.
50:06They are the people who finish the Congress party, not only the organizationally, ideologically, but also morally.
50:11Congress party at the time was led by Sampurna Anand, Dr. Rajendra Prasad, Kanhila Lal Maniklal Munsi, Sardar Patil.
50:19They rebuilt the Somnath temple.
50:23The same family has plundered the Nasser Herald.
50:25This Nasser Herald was established by Jabhatala Nehru.
50:27We have a lot of grievances with Nehru, but Nehru had not done such thing.
50:31So, I can't comment on the Congress party who have the disputed, disputed criminality and the contested morality.
50:39Sir, what would you say about BJP leader, your own party's leader, sir, and Bajrang Dal founder, Vinay Katiar, he
50:48says, and he's naming names.
50:50He's naming people like Champat Rai or Gopal Rao and Anil Mishra.
50:56Should the people being named by members of your own party or your own pariwar, what about them, sir?
51:04When people from your own party, from your own fold raise questions, sir?
51:09No, no. We are in democratic society.
51:13And every individual has certain prejudices, certain ideas, and he has the right to express himself.
51:19If he is expressing something, people are listening and there is a filter system.
51:24And everybody and every society has its own filter system.
51:28Suppose I say something that is not the Brahma Vakya.
51:31People understand what is truth, what is not the truth.
51:34Why am I speaking like that, why am I not speaking?
51:36Certain things are unspoken, certain things are spoken.
51:39Something I am not speaking that people understand that.
51:42Something I am speaking but that is not truth, people also understand that.
51:45So, we are the part of a democracy.
51:47In democracy, in a human society, there are very, hierarchy of the morality, hierarchy of the thoughts.
51:53So, we should not dispute someone.
51:56But if he is speaking, we should listen to him.
51:58Fair enough.
51:59Sir, the last 30 seconds I have on this part of the show, you have been a part of the
52:03Tirupati Balaji Trust.
52:05You know how temples function.
52:07Is it time for the Shri Ram Janma Bhoomi Teerth Kshetre Trust to undertake massive structural reforms?
52:15You know, so far the entire effort was free our temples from government control.
52:19Why?
52:19But will it not bring more government control in the Divya Bhavya Navya Shri Ram temple, sir?
52:28Sir, you have raised a very fundamental question.
52:30I can tell you that when I was member, every trustee is given 12 tickets for Deji Brahmosov.
52:36And now ticket is sold on 5 lakhs rupees.
52:38There is a lot of area where reforms are required.
52:43We should accept that.
52:44We should not say that what church is doing, what mosque is doing.
52:47We know that what they are.
52:49We cannot compare ourselves with these institutions where we have the history of bloodshed and everything.
52:55We Hindus are the people who believe in the truth, believe in the Sanatana religion.
53:00So, we have to reform ourselves.
53:03And there are certain maladies in our religious process that should be corrected.
53:07Whether it is the government control, it is out of the government control.
53:11But the more important question today is that moralizing the public life.
53:16Unless until we moralizing the public life, what RSS call the character building.
53:20The things cannot be reformed.
53:22It is not the question of who owns, who controls.
53:25It is the question of how much index of morality, what is the index of morality in this society.
53:30Fair enough.
53:31I will let that be the last word of this part of the show.
53:34Professor Rakesh Sina for joining me here on India First.
53:37Many thanks sir.
53:39We will be tracking the story very, very closely.
53:42That is all I have for you on India First this evening.
53:44Many thanks for watching.
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