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A political controversy has erupted following allegations that the extended family of the Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Mohan Yadav acquired extensive real estate holdings in and around areas designated for infrastructure development.
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00:00But there are several unanswered questions that we need to raise.
00:04Can a chief minister claim zero responsibility for the dramatic rise in extended families' land assets?
00:11Were the land assets procured by the relatives in the full knowledge of the chief minister?
00:16Is this not a clear case of conflict of interest and impropriety by the chief minister who is clearing road
00:22projects,
00:22which then give windfall profits for the land which is being developed around those projects?
00:29Did the chief minister's family, where did the chief minister's family get the money to fund all these land purchases?
00:36Were the chief minister's extended family members only operating as proxies on Mohan Yadav's behalf?
00:43All the tough questions.
00:44Sanju Verma, national spokesperson, BJP.
00:47Anjali Bhardwaj, anti-corruption activist, co-convener, national campaign for people's right to information.
00:53Wing commander Anuma Acharya, national spokesperson of the Congress.
00:56Sanju Verma, the investigation Indian Express did shows that Mohan Yadav assumed office of chief minister on December 13, 2023.
01:05Since then, his family members and associated real estate firms purchased 137 plots spanning 168 acres worth around 45 crores.
01:15111 acres were located next to new road projects subsequently announced by his government.
01:21Is this not a clear case of impropriety of a land grab to build a land bank which will yield
01:30windfall profits for the chief minister's family?
01:33Should he not step aside at least till a judicial probe is done?
01:37And should there not be a judicial probe in the first instance?
01:42So, let me answer this fair and square.
01:45First and foremost, you know, your own reporters have made this public.
01:50And let me reinforce for the benefit of your audience.
01:53After assuming the role of chief minister of Madhya Pradesh in 2023, did Mohan Yadav's land holding increase?
02:01No, it has stayed constant at 1717 acres.
02:06Mohan Yadav's wife, Seema Yadav, her land holding has stayed constant at 12.29 acres.
02:14Mohan Yadav's son, Vaibhav Yadav, his land holding has stayed constant at 1616 acres.
02:21And Mohan Yadav's daughter-in-law, Shalini Yadav, her land holding has stayed constant at 1010 acres.
02:29So, the immediate family of Mohan Yadav…
02:32But his cousin and his wife have got 108 acres.
02:36Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, but the fact is his extended family…
02:39No, no, you must not mislead.
02:41His extended family and real estate firms linked to his family have got 137 plots worth 168 acres.
02:49That he cannot dispute.
02:51Can I finish?
02:52Yes, ma'am.
02:53Because you will get your time to rebut me, which you will.
02:56My limited point is this.
02:59We are talking about the immediate family of the chief minister.
03:03So, has the immediate family of the chief minister benefited disproportionately?
03:09The answer is no.
03:11Now, if we are going to talk about the extended family, then we will have to talk about the extended
03:17family and immediate family of Malik Arjun Kharke,
03:21whose son, whose wife, whose daughter-in-law, whose son-in-law have benefited disproportionately.
03:28But Rajdeep will say, sab changa si.
03:31Because Rajdeep believed that…
03:33No, no, Rajdeep is not saying anything.
03:35BJP is raking up a 12-year-old case of Malik Arjun Kharke instead of addressing the immediate question.
03:42Are you telling me that his cousins, who seem to control a large number of real estate firms,
03:48and the chief minister is not accountable for their real estate firms which are linked to his family?
03:54Why are you bringing Malik Arjun Kharke?
03:55You must answer very much. The Congress will answer Malik Arjun Kharke.
03:59No, what I don't understand. Can I finish?
04:02Either you call the BJP and allow us to speak.
04:05Why as an anchor?
04:06You don't have two minutes of patience to give Sanju Verma uninterrupted time.
04:11Why is it pain in your chest?
04:13Like Sanju Verma does seem to say.
04:16Please, carry on.
04:17Let me finish.
04:20I am saying, and I am a politician, not a career.
04:24Can I finish? Please.
04:25You have this bad habit of interjecting. Show some patience.
04:28You are a seasoned actor.
04:30Ma'am.
04:31Yes.
04:32I am complimenting you.
04:33Go on. I am not going to get you to a tutu.
04:35I want a straight answer.
04:37I am giving you a straight answer, but I will say what I need to say.
04:40Raghip Sargisai will not decide the BJP's line of argument.
04:44You will not decide what the BJP will say on your show.
04:49Now, let me speak.
04:51Okay.
04:51No, no, one minute.
04:53My limited point is this.
04:54Please, 30 seconds, don't interrupt.
04:57My limited point.
04:59Does BJP stand for accountability?
05:01Yes.
05:02Does BJP stand for transparency?
05:04Yes.
05:05When the Prime Minister says,
05:06Is it just a jumla?
05:09No.
05:10It is something he abides by.
05:13Now, should there be an inquiry?
05:14Should there be an SIT?
05:16So, my last question is this.
05:18Jitu Patwari held a press conference.
05:20Mavan Khaira, who has an opinion on everything under the sun,
05:25spoke at length about Mohan Yadav.
05:27Proof bikhayye.
05:29Money trail bikhayye.
05:31Proof?
05:32Proof bikhayye.
05:34My God.
05:34Suddenly, it is about proof and money trail.
05:37Suddenly, it is about proof and money trail.
05:40Sanju Verma, the facts are as clear as daylight.
05:45The facts are...
05:45Madam, now I have heard you.
05:47I gave you your 30 seconds.
05:48You are not answering the central question.
05:51A chief minister's extended family has invested 137 projects worth of 168 acres
06:00after he has become the chief minister.
06:02Road projects, decisions are taken in and around those areas.
06:06And over the years, it seems Mohan Yadav,
06:08more than a politician is building a land bank.
06:11And everyone knows, it is the worst kept secret,
06:14that this is what politicians do.
06:16They have changed the land user from agriculture to commercial.
06:19But Anuma Acharya...
06:20One minute, ma'am.
06:21Now you must let the other...
06:22No, no, no.
06:23One minute.
06:23I have heard you patiently.
06:24I gave you your 30 seconds.
06:26Anuma Acharya, the argument that...
06:29Central argument made by Sanju Verma is...
06:32Proof the money trail A.
06:34And B, she is raking up Malik Arjun Kharge and his family...
06:37Saying they also acquired large tracts of land in and around Bangalore.
06:41So, respond to both the charges.
06:43Good evening, Rajdeep.
06:46Basically, Mohan Yadav, before even becoming the chief minister of Madhya Pradesh,
06:51he was education minister and he used his power to recruit his close relatives,
06:55including his son-in-law and nephew,
06:58as professors and administrative staff by bypassing rules.
07:02And he was also accused of giving prime posting and transfer
07:05to his preferred teachers and family members in government college around Ujjayan.
07:10But since there are...
07:12For 25 years, it's a BJP government.
07:14There is no accountability.
07:16Everything is put under the carpet.
07:18He completely denied these allegations.
07:20But nobody made an inquiry on them.
07:23So, when BJP talks about...
07:25No, but let's focus on the land...
07:26No, no, ma'am.
07:27Let's focus on the alleged land grab.
07:30Alleged land grab, according to Sanju Verma, where is the money trail?
07:33And she is also saying, if you are going to investigate Mohan Yadav,
07:37what about Malik Arjun, Kharge and family?
07:38Now, I want to ask, when Ujjayan Badnavar Road, Ujjayan Indore Road expansion,
07:45which is like all master projects, Ujjayan Jhalawar four-lane roads,
07:49Ujjayan Nagda Road, Ujjayan Devas Road, all upcoming projects,
07:54and their land has been purchased near these places.
07:57So, where is the need of a money trail to show?
08:00It clearly shows that all these upcoming projects,
08:03as per the master plan, which is known to the Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh,
08:08and all the insiders, it happens only near that area.
08:12The purchases are close to those people only, the Greenfield Corridor.
08:18So, all of them...
08:18On the master plan came...
08:19Ma'am, one minute.
08:20One minute.
08:20Ma'am, the master plan came into effect in May 2023,
08:24before he became Chief Minister.
08:25I agree.
08:26His family has been in the real estate business for more than 20 years.
08:30Are you saying the family has to close down the real estate business
08:33the moment he becomes Chief Minister?
08:35The question is not that whether the family has been in real estate since 2010.
08:41The real issue is the land was purchased using advanced knowledge
08:44of all upcoming projects.
08:46When he was Education Minister, even then, because he belongs to Ujjayan.
08:50So, he had an idea about what all is coming up in Ujjayan,
08:54and how the Mahakal Corridor is coming up, everything he knew.
08:57So, it was with the advanced...
08:59No, no, please put Sanju Verma's voice down.
09:00Please listen to her, Sanju Verma.
09:02Yeah, go ahead.
09:04And that's what...
09:05Here, he is denying all of it.
09:08And like BJP says, we do not give any resignations.
09:12We do not take accountabilities also.
09:14So, this is a clear-cut case wherein the advanced information was there.
09:18And therefore, it all has been purchased near the master plans.
09:21And all those roads are coming up.
09:23Now, the upcoming projects, and it is a clear case of corruption
09:26with the advanced knowledge of the family,
09:29of the immediate family of the Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh.
09:33Okay.
09:34What about Malikarjun Kharge?
09:36They say you must also then investigate Malikarjun Kharge
09:40and land purchased by him and his family in Karnataka.
09:43In that case, I would like to first ask her,
09:46who was responsible for Morbi bridge collapse?
09:49Who was responsible for Balakol, Balasol train tragedy?
09:52Or Pulwama?
09:53Was there any investigation?
09:55No, no.
09:56That's the water boundary.
09:57It is basically that.
09:59Are you all ready for an open...
10:02Priyank Kharge is saying he is ready for an open...
10:04No, no.
10:05Priyank Kharge is saying he is ready for any inquiry on Karnataka,
10:09but there should be an immediate inquiry on Madhya Pradesh.
10:11This is the water boundary, unfortunately, of our politicians.
10:14But I want to ask Anjali Bhardwaj a simple question.
10:17Anjali Bhardwaj, it is one of the worst-kept secrets of politicians.
10:21I am at the moment in Mumbai,
10:22and I know I myself investigated de-reservation of land near Mumbai in Vasai Virar,
10:27where again politicians got the land user changed from agriculture to industry,
10:32and their cronies bought properties in and around that area,
10:36obviously benefiting from insider information.
10:39Do you believe, how do you...
10:41We've got Sanju Verma saying,
10:43please show the money trail first, before anything else.
10:46Do you believe a money trail is the solution,
10:49or is there any agency that should be investigating these alleged land scams across India,
10:57not just in Madhya Pradesh?
10:59Rajdeep, one thing is very clear.
11:02Land records are showing certain facts,
11:07and the allegations that are being made are being made on the basis of the land records.
11:13What is required is a very clear probe.
11:18These kind of debates are not going to get us the facts.
11:22What is required is a proper probe into the matter
11:26to look at whether there was conflict of interest.
11:29By who? Who will probe it back?
11:30Yes, we have to determine, it has to be determined whether there was conflict of interest.
11:35And these kind of probes can be done by our independent and empowered investigating agencies.
11:42The question today is that will the CBI, will the Enforcement Directorate,
11:48will the Lokpal, all look or any of them look into this case or not?
11:54Let us understand one thing, Rajdeep.
11:57This government came on the plank of an anti-corruption movement.
12:02They promised a Bhrashtachar Mukht Bharat.
12:05Today, to say that somebody else is doing something else,
12:09I think any case where there is an allegation and there are records to show that there could be conflict
12:15of interest,
12:16there could be corruption, especially of this scale,
12:19and by people in power of, you know, the chief minister of a state we are talking about,
12:24there must be an immediate investigation that is launched.
12:28There is no question about it.
12:29Let me also say here that, unfortunately, this is not happening just in Madhya Pradesh.
12:35Very recently, the Supreme Court ordered a CBI probe
12:40into the Arunachal Pradesh chief minister, CM Kandu's, you know, deals,
12:46where more than 1,300 crore rupees worth of public contracts were given away
12:53and the Supreme Court has ordered a CBI probe.
12:58Now, the contracts were given to companies that are owned by his family.
13:04Are we now again going to wait for something like this to go to the Supreme Court?
13:10And only then have any probing agency?
13:13Are the ED, the CBI, the Lokpal not really looking into any of these matters?
13:20Are they only going to go after dissenters, political opposition?
13:24I think these are very serious questions.
13:27And these questions finally impact the integrity and the credibility of these kind of facts then
13:44adversely impact public trust in these investigating bodies.
13:49They are supposed to look into these cases.
13:52They must do that.
13:54It's a shame if we have to wait for a judiciary.
13:57I take your point, ma'am. I've heard you.
14:01You know, you're saying it's a fit case for a probe.
14:03The question is who will probe it?
14:04And the question is whether there is selective probe.
14:06You see, Sanju Verma, you started out by saying that this government's commitment is
14:10na khaunga na khaane dunga.
14:12What's happened?
14:13Prema Khandu, Supreme Court has said,
14:15allegation that he and his family have acquired all the road projects of Arunachal.
14:20There should be a proper CBI inquiry.
14:23Mr. Prema Khandu has not stepped down.
14:25Similar allegations have taken place in Goa.
14:28Large tracts of land have been sold to private developers in violation of all rules.
14:33Another BJP rule states, Uttarakhand.
14:35Allegations are now coming out that in and around Deradun, there's a land scam.
14:40Now we've got allegations in and around Ujjain that there is a land scam.
14:44You are saying show me a money trail, otherwise no one will resign.
14:47But it seems that in this double-engine governments,
14:51the CBI, the enforcement directorate, Lokpal, no one works.
14:54How are you going to then fulfill your promise of na khaunga na khaane dunga?
14:58Prema Khandu, Mohan Yadav, states like Uttarakhand, states like Goa,
15:03in all of them, there are serious allegations of land irregularities.
15:08Can I come in?
15:10Yes, please.
15:11Can I speak?
15:12And now, Rajdeep, I noticed when the other two were speaking,
15:16you did not interject them even once.
15:19I interrupted Anubha Acharya several times.
15:23This is not you versus me, ma'am.
15:25You answer my question.
15:26In the double-engine governments, where is the enforcement agency?
15:29Are the enforcement agencies only going to operate in opposition ruled states?
15:33Will no one resign in the BJP?
15:35Is everybody dhut se dhula hua?
15:38I want to say one thing to you.
15:40Thank you very much.
15:44And congratulations.
15:45You say that the people of the BJP who say that,
15:48mic down of Sanju Varma, mic down of Shahzad Punawala,
15:52mic down of XYZ,
15:53because of that,
15:55today, TMC has fallen out of the party.
15:58And you have a large contribution in that.
16:01So, congratulations.
16:02Now, now, now.
16:03Madam, madam, you're not answering my question.
16:05You don't want to answer my question.
16:07You're welcome not to answer it.
16:09Let me finish now.
16:10Don't get rattled.
16:11I heard you.
16:12And by the way, let me educate you.
16:14It is not Prema Khandu.
16:16It is Pema Khandu.
16:18P-E-M-A.
16:20Pema Khandu.
16:21I said Pema Khandu.
16:22Please.
16:22My God.
16:23You're not good.
16:24Do you want to answer my question or not?
16:27Yes, I'm answering.
16:28I will give you uninterrupted one minute.
16:30Answer my question.
16:31Does the double-engine government mean
16:33that there will be no investigation?
16:36Don't tell me to keep quiet.
16:38I'm asking you a question.
16:39Be, please be a little,
16:41do not be rude to me
16:42because that is,
16:43I have no time for rudeness.
16:45I am giving you the floor.
16:46Please answer one minute.
16:47No interruption.
16:49Yes.
16:49I will answer what I need to say.
16:52Randeep Shardesai will not decide.
16:53And you don't give lectures to me
16:55on propriety or rudeness and politeness
16:57because I know how polite you are.
16:59Okay.
17:00Now let's focus on the larger issue.
17:03Please.
17:04Thoda shant rahiyeh.
17:05Chup rahiyeh.
17:06Aap journalists and panelists nahi.
17:07The most important point is this.
17:10Judicial inquiry kya honi chahiyeh.
17:12Mohan Yadav ki.
17:14May Danke ki chot par kehti hoon.
17:16Mohan Yadav.
17:18Ke against judicial inquiry honi chahiyeh.
17:21Yadi yeh inquiry bhi ho that how did DJ Shif Kumar's assets rise from 751 crore to 1413 crore in
17:3410 years.
17:35A 88 percent increase.
17:38Mohan Yadav ke khilaaf inquiry honi chahiyeh.
17:42If you find out how Rahul Gandhi's assets rose from 9.4 crore to 20.4 crore in 10 years
17:50as per his affidavit which is a 117 percent increase.
17:54Mohan Yadav ke khilaaf inquiry honi chahiyeh.
17:57Yadi yeh pata lagheh ki Kamal Nath ke assets.
18:01How did they go up from 4 crore to 41 crore?
18:05A 925 percent increase.
18:07And Mohan Yadav ke khilaaf inquiry honi chahiyeh.
18:11Yadi yeh pata par jaheh.
18:13How did Malikarjun khad gayeh?
18:15Right.
18:15Priyag khad gayeh.
18:16Malikarjun khad gayeh vice amas.
18:19Okay.
18:19Prime land in Gulbarbaga.
18:21I have decided today.
18:24Okay, I've heard you.
18:26Your one minute is up.
18:27I gave you one minute uninterrupted.
18:29I want to tell our viewers.
18:30Today we've decided.
18:31Olympic gold medal for water bountry.
18:34Goes to Sanju Verma.
18:35Olympic gold medal for water bountry.
18:38I asked about Mohan Yadav.
18:39She has mentioned every other person.
18:41But Mr. Yadav himself.
18:43Who has been.
18:43Who is at the moment.
18:45The focus of inquiry.
18:48Who should be the focus of inquiry.
18:50Okay.
18:51I'm going to leave that.
18:52I'm going to leave it there.
18:54I leave it to you.
18:54The viewers to decide.
18:55I asked Sanju Verma a question.
18:57She has asked.
18:58It told me.
18:59First inquire Rahul Gandhi.
19:00DK Shivkumar.
19:01Malikarjun khad gayeh.
19:03And others.
19:04Either way.
19:04The fact is.
19:05That if we want to restore faith.
19:07In our public servants.
19:09They must be open.
19:10To inquiries.
19:12Transparent.
19:13Independent inquiries.
19:14And unless you do that.
19:16I'm afraid.
19:17There will be questions.
19:18That we will continue to raise.
19:19As I said at the very outset.
19:20Most prime time channels.
19:22Are avoiding the.
19:23Question of Mohan Yadav.
19:24And that in itself.
19:25Should tell you the story.
19:26Of the media today.
19:27Remember Adarsh.
19:28Remember what happened.
19:29To Ashok Sawan.
19:30And how the media.
19:31Every night on prime time.
19:32Ask the right questions.
19:34Why aren't we asking.
19:35Those questions anymore.
19:36That's something.
19:37For the media also.
19:39To introspect.
19:40I appreciate.
19:41You joining me.
19:41Sanju Verma.
19:42Anjali Bhardwaj.
19:43And Anuma Acharya.
19:44The question that we asked today.
19:46On the show.
19:47For your sake.
19:48Should a judicial pro.
19:49Be ordered into allegations.
19:50Of land grab.
19:51Against the Madhya Paday.
19:52Chief Minister.
19:53Shiva says.
19:54Na khaunga.
19:54Na khaane dunga.
19:55It's about time.
19:56Prime Minister Modi.
19:57Practiced what he preached.
19:58And took appropriate action.
20:00Against the Madhya Paday.
20:01Chief Minister.
20:01Parag Hede says.
20:02It is common all over India.
20:04In Goa.
20:04Such land buying.
20:05In advance.
20:06By ministers.
20:07And MLAs.
20:07Is rampant.
20:08Once they come to know.
20:09About government.
20:09Infra projects.
20:10Likely to come.
20:11Aman Kumar says.
20:12In any ideal democracy.
20:14Resignation would have happened.
20:15Yesterday only.
20:16But the RSS BJP.
20:18Does not believe in democracy.
20:19Or republic.
20:20Don't expect moral practices.
20:22From such people.
20:23These are your say.
20:23Please keep coming on Twitter.
20:26Answering our questions.
20:27Of the day.
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