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00:00Morning, Tone!
00:01Kenny, what's up?
00:02Away we go again!
00:04Heck yeah!
00:05Unbelievable!
00:07What if Onanza?
00:08I was sitting back...
00:08There were so many...
00:09Let me just say this, I'm sorry.
00:11There were so many people tweeting me yesterday going,
00:13aren't you glad it's over?
00:14I go, it ain't over.
00:15Oh no, we've only just begun.
00:17It ain't over?
00:18Go ahead, I'm sorry.
00:19Yeah, well this is just...
00:20This has gone from a...
00:21Are the Browns...
00:23You know, a big part of this story too.
00:25Is this just a landmark NFL case?
00:27Now it's become very broad.
00:28Yes, where everybody has an opinion on it.
00:31Like, it's so funny.
00:32Some people are like,
00:33man, you guys are just...
00:35You're just dragging this Soresby thing
00:38to fill time during this.
00:39And I'm like, yes, Keith Britton.
00:40Yes, we are, boss of 92.3 The Fan.
00:43But it's funny, everybody...
00:45Oh, excuse me, that man was encouraging of that.
00:48Every single fan, media...
00:51Like, who didn't have an opinion on Brendan Soresby?
00:54Like, I can't imagine not talking about this.
00:56Guys, we got Patrick Mahomes playing here.
00:57I'd have opinions on Brendan Soresby.
00:59Right, right.
01:00It's just become...
01:01It's become a national story in many ways.
01:02Now, it wouldn't have been as involved as it's been,
01:06but yeah, there'd be opinions on Brendan Soresby.
01:07In many ways, it was overshadowing, you know,
01:09the lead-up to the draft.
01:10The NBA draft last night where there was, you know,
01:13potential intrigue, and would there be any massive trades?
01:15There really weren't.
01:17When it comes to like Jalen Brown yet,
01:19or anything like that.
01:20And no, everybody was weighing in.
01:23Every radio columnist.
01:25I mean, Dan Wetzel going after Soresby.
01:28That Nicole Arbach, who I commented towards and quote tweeted her.
01:32It's Arbach?
01:34Whatever.
01:34I don't know how you pronounce it.
01:35I've been saying it like Red Auerbach for however long she has been in...
01:39I've known of her.
01:40Everybody was opining on this.
01:43It was national news.
01:44It sounded like an idiot.
01:45Like crazy.
01:46I love stories like this because it's the intersection
01:49of so many different things.
01:51It's got, you know, political tentacles.
01:55You've got the NCAA.
01:56You had the Big 12.
01:57You had conferences.
01:58You have the CBA and the NFL.
02:00You have the commissioner stepping in.
02:03You have morals, ethics, gambling.
02:07And the league, every team in the NFL is now worth how much more
02:11over the last five years because of gambling?
02:13It's crazy how big of a story this is.
02:16It is.
02:17It is.
02:20Because I think some people have gotten a little bit mixed up.
02:24But that's a point I'll make probably later in this segment
02:27or even next segment here.
02:28It still comes down to not even right or wrong.
02:32It comes down to how this...
02:33Because there's going to be other instances of this.
02:35So, again, I'm very interested in this because when I told you
02:39at the outset of this, when it became like would the Browns be interested,
02:43anything like that, I said I cannot sit there and say without a doubt
02:47Shadow, absolutely not, never, never, never, never.
02:50I can't say that because he's not going to be the...
02:53He's not the first.
02:54And he certainly isn't going to be the last.
02:56What he does is he sets...
02:57And I know that there's other guys.
03:00I get that.
03:02But you have a precedent that's kind of being set in a way
03:07where they found their own little loophole,
03:11which still doesn't make much sense,
03:15where it's you have a deadline.
03:18You've said this.
03:19You say it.
03:20You get the credit because I thought it, but you need to say it.
03:23Their rationale.
03:23Their rationale.
03:24It wasn't...
03:25When I read the letter, I'm like, what does that mean?
03:26Yeah, the NFL didn't come in and say,
03:30you gambled, you're suspended coming into the league.
03:32Remember, they did this for Terrell Pryor.
03:34He came in with a suspension.
03:35Other players have come in with a suspension.
03:37They didn't do that.
03:38They've had a player come in without a suspension
03:40that they deemed eligible that was guilty of gambling.
03:44They ended up dropping the case,
03:46but it was that LSU wide receiver who plays for,
03:50was it Boutte?
03:51So there was precedent here.
03:53They didn't go with any of that.
03:55They said, we don't have enough time,
03:57which I thought was hilarious
03:58because every team in the NFL has been doing their,
04:01according to reports,
04:02has been doing their Sorsby recon
04:04and their investigative.
04:06Remember, all these NFL teams that are worth,
04:08you know, $3 billion, $4 billion, $5 billion, $6 billion,
04:12depending on which team it is,
04:13they all have their own investigative teams now.
04:17The Browns have their own,
04:19and I'm talking not football.
04:20I'm talking behind the scenes, off the field.
04:24And so the NFL is acting like they didn't have enough time
04:27and they didn't submit the paperwork.
04:29And I looked at,
04:31I got a copy right in front of me
04:34of what they look for has nothing to do with paperwork.
04:36It doesn't say anything about that,
04:37which is, of course, what the attorney to Brennan Sorsby said.
04:41He's like, there's nothing about paperwork.
04:43There's not even a box to put paperwork in.
04:45So I, because once I heard the name Jeffrey Kessler,
04:48there was no way that this was ever going to be over.
04:52Not when it happened with the NCAA
04:54and certainly not when it happens with the NFL.
04:56Oh, this guy has some signature wins.
04:58Again, he has some losses too.
05:00He has some signature wins against the NFL.
05:02You can wish all you want that this whole saga is over now,
05:05but it ain't over because the name Kessler's in there
05:07and nothing is over when it comes to that fella.
05:11It didn't make,
05:12the part about him not getting it in on the deadline
05:15didn't make sense because, again,
05:16Because there's a deadline.
05:17It says your petition filed three days before the deadline
05:19without any supporting information or documentation
05:21and only after abandoning your recent litigation efforts
05:25to avoid NCAA sanctions
05:26does not provide a basis for the league
05:28to alter those plans.
05:29All right, but you still filed before the deadline.
05:33The deadline's the deadline.
05:34It wasn't like he came in an hour after the deadline.
05:38That's a new one to me.
05:39I want to know some more information.
05:41And we got Mike Florio coming on at 820 this morning.
05:43So some of this is going to be exploratory.
05:45So there's certain things I want to pound the table about
05:48and certain things I can't yet
05:49because I don't have all the facts
05:52because the NFL is sending this
05:53and they're saying that,
05:54hey, we don't know the full scope
05:57of everything that you're doing,
05:59which makes it sound to me like he would be,
06:01when Josh Gordon came in to the league,
06:04did he serve a suspension after the supplemental draft?
06:07Did Josh serve a suspension?
06:09All right.
06:09And he entered in the drug program, right?
06:13Drug and alcohol program.
06:14So wouldn't he,
06:16what I don't understand to understand about it
06:19is then you do have a precedent
06:21when it comes to Calvin Ridley
06:23and when it comes to other guys.
06:23Now, he was a current player.
06:25Yes.
06:25I understand Boutte was not,
06:28but you do have a current player.
06:30So you could...
06:30The NFL seems to have,
06:33depending on a case-by-case basis,
06:35whether they deem it appropriate
06:38that you were in the...
06:40bound by the CBA
06:42because you were in the union or not in the union,
06:44which is very interesting
06:45because they've kind of vacillated back and forth here.
06:47So what this does is,
06:48I think this might end up doing
06:49a little bit of what the Big 12 was trying to do
06:52to Texas Tech,
06:53when Texas Tech last week was just like,
06:55you know what?
06:56Forget it.
06:57We raised the white flag.
06:58We don't need all these problems
07:00with all this stuff.
07:02Take your money.
07:03We got to separate.
07:04Good luck to you.
07:05And I wonder if this is the NFL's version of this
07:08because this is going to get litigated
07:10and this is going to end up in court.
07:11Well, court things take time.
07:13Oh, yeah.
07:13And it could come to a point where...
07:16Because I thought...
07:16I really thought he'd get in the supplemental draft.
07:19We're going to go through the workouts.
07:20We're going to go through the rigmarole.
07:22We'll argue how much you should be willing to give up.
07:24Now, I wondered in the back of my mind,
07:26like, let's not sit here and act like we're idiots.
07:29The NFL is a very closed society
07:31and they decide who they want in
07:33and who they want out of their league.
07:35And we learned that very publicly
07:37about 10 years ago now.
07:39Like, they will decide who they want in,
07:41who they want out,
07:41how they want to work together,
07:43how they don't want to work together,
07:44as we saw with the Bidwell case
07:45of what happened, right?
07:47So, that's what...
07:48Well, and the Maurice Claret 20 years ago.
07:49So, I figured...
07:50I figured everything's a negotiation
07:52as we learned four years ago.
07:54Everything's a negotiation.
07:56So, I figured that he would go
07:57to the supplemental draft,
07:59somebody would put a bid in on him,
08:00they'd get him,
08:01then you go to the table and you say,
08:03all right, how long does he get suspended for
08:06because of this?
08:07Let's make a deal.
08:08And I still think let's make a deal
08:09is on the table,
08:10but I wonder if the NFL's doing this
08:12because, and this is going to turn
08:13into court TV,
08:14I'm going to turn into Nancy Grace here
08:16real damn quick.
08:16I don't mean to do it
08:17because this is a long letter
08:21and there's a lot of legalese here
08:23and it looks like this can be
08:24very slippery wizard stuff
08:25to get the NFL
08:27to just be able to litigate this
08:29and to make it so arduous
08:32where Brendan Soresby,
08:33we might get to September
08:34and he's just going to go,
08:35you know what?
08:36But this ain't worth it.
08:38I'll see you at the draft in 2027.
08:40I'll play nice with the NFL.
08:42Our lawyers should play nice with the NFL.
08:44I got to go work out.
08:46I got to get ready for the draft.
08:47And maybe that's where it goes
08:49because it, guys,
08:50July is in a week.
08:52Yeah.
08:52Like we are getting close to camp.
08:54Even in the supplemental situation,
08:55he was not going to be ready.
08:57There was no chance
08:58he was going to be asked
09:00to be like a starter
09:01for a football team anytime soon.
09:03And I know we had talked about this
09:06and yesterday,
09:07Daryl,
09:08when he came in
09:09those final two hours,
09:10Daryl's like,
09:11well,
09:11the whole thing about putting a bid in
09:13is,
09:14is he better than Shador right now?
09:15And I'm like,
09:16well,
09:16that,
09:16I don't think that matters.
09:18And he's like,
09:18well,
09:18sure it matters.
09:19And I was like,
09:20well,
09:20he's a prospect
09:22who may not even be available
09:23at the start of the year.
09:24So I don't know,
09:25I don't know how relevant
09:27that really is,
09:28but either.
09:28Oh,
09:28there's guys who are going to be prospects.
09:30There's guys who are going to be
09:30first round guys.
09:32This is going to open up a can of worms.
09:34There are guys who are going to be
09:35first round guys in April
09:36that as of right now,
09:37we're not better than Shador in college.
09:39Yeah.
09:39Okay.
09:40I agree with you.
09:40So we're good with that.
09:42Yeah.
09:42All right.
09:42For sure.
09:43I don't want to make
09:44two separate arguments here.
09:46Two separate things.
09:47Sorsby wasn't,
09:47you know,
09:48doesn't have that experience.
09:49And that's,
09:50that's kind of what I was getting,
09:51that's what I was getting frustrated with
09:53is,
09:54I thought there were a lot of silly things
09:56being said about
09:57the hypocrisy of the NFL.
09:59And we'll get to that coming up in a bit.
10:01But the,
10:02I thought it was ridiculous.
10:04And I,
10:04I called you out for it.
10:05And we,
10:06we,
10:06we had fun with it fighting over it
10:08where I'm like,
10:09why are we moving goalposts for this guy?
10:11And why are my mentions like
10:12and calls moving goalposts for this guy
10:15when you didn't know who the hell he was
10:17in December?
10:18All you heard is that Albert Breer
10:21who heard it from a scout
10:23tell you that he could be a fifth round
10:26or excuse me,
10:27top five pick next year.
10:29Well,
10:29as of right now,
10:30he's not.
10:31And we were conflating that with,
10:33well,
10:33he's top five talent,
10:34top five talent.
10:34He's not a top five talent
10:36because if he was,
10:37he'd have been in the draft.
10:38Now he had,
10:38I'd say he had potential top five traits.
10:41He has potential top five traits.
10:43Yeah.
10:43That's very different.
10:44In 2027.
10:45He has proven any of that today.
10:47But what do we know about
10:48teams in professional sports?
10:51They oftentimes,
10:52almost exclusively,
10:53you could argue they draft on traits.
10:56Yeah, of course.
10:56You know,
10:56but that's still a 2027 thing
10:59because you could say,
11:00yes,
11:00first round traits.
11:01All right.
11:01You're going to spend a first round pick on it.
11:02Hell no.
11:03I ain't going to spend a first round pick on it.
11:04I mean,
11:04there's plenty of guys that,
11:05but that's what was different
11:07about this specific situation.
11:09I mean,
11:09Drew Aller was taken in the third round
11:10and their whole thing was,
11:11we'll deprogram him.
11:13He's got all these NFL traits.
11:15We'll be fine.
11:16That's the whole selling point.
11:18Yeah.
11:18What,
11:18but it,
11:19Drew Aller had himself a year prior,
11:22his own draft to determine those things.
11:25Who knows where he would have been taken,
11:27right?
11:27And that's the thing.
11:28That's the whole thing.
11:29You know,
11:30normally that's how a draft works.
11:32There are other players,
11:33there's opportunity costs
11:34that goes with it in that direct draft.
11:37The supplemental,
11:37it's not that way.
11:38You either,
11:38you know,
11:39you bid and you're in or you're out
11:40and that's it.
11:41And you have no other players to investigate
11:43or to fully vet.
11:45What I am most,
11:48my biggest takeaway from all this is like,
11:51yes,
11:52I mean,
11:52dude,
11:52this,
11:53he did a lot of monumentally stupid things,
11:56right?
11:57During his years at Indiana.
12:01Yeah.
12:01It's,
12:01it's still as cloudy.
12:03I'm seeing very different opinions
12:05on what happened at Cincinnati,
12:06but we know for a fact at Indiana,
12:08he bet on his team.
12:10He wasn't on the travel roster.
12:12So yes,
12:12he's on the team,
12:13but you also,
12:15do you have a group of guys?
12:16He's like,
12:17Oh,
12:17you're on the travel roster.
12:18You're going to put on the Indiana stuff
12:20for the rest of your life.
12:20Like probably not.
12:21You know where I stand on that.
12:23and you know,
12:24$3 bets,
12:25$2 bets,
12:26$1 bets.
12:26And he's betting on Turkish basketball.
12:29And if I have one airplane bottle,
12:31so that's fine.
12:32But if I have 10 airplane bottles,
12:33that just makes up a pint.
12:35But my,
12:35my question,
12:36my question,
12:37I still want to know,
12:38by the way,
12:39the one key missing information to me is just
12:42as,
12:43as you would ask,
12:44if this was any of your friends,
12:47what's the tally after all the bets?
12:49I knew you were going to bring that up.
12:49I knew you were going to bring that up.
12:50What do you mean?
12:51Like,
12:51was he up?
12:52Okay.
12:52Would you say your buddy had a problem gambling
12:56if he had placed $90,000,
12:5890,000 bets,
12:59Yes.
13:00and he was up $500,000?
13:03Would you say your buddy had a problem?
13:05No,
13:06you wouldn't.
13:06I would think it.
13:07You'd be enjoying the nights out on him.
13:09I would think,
13:09no.
13:10Yes,
13:10you would.
13:10You'd be going to the club with him
13:12and going free money.
13:14This is amazing.
13:15Keep doing this.
13:16unless you become a tout,
13:18unless you become one of those guys,
13:19you just end up in an alley somewhere without shoes.
13:23That's just how I've always thought.
13:25Every,
13:26So what,
13:26that's my question.
13:27I've always seen with guys who are gamblers,
13:30not,
13:30not they become bookmakers,
13:32not they become touts or anything like that.
13:34If they're just straight gambling in every scenario
13:37of what I've seen,
13:39that guy has ended up in arrears with people
13:41he should not end up with,
13:43or even,
13:44I don't know if there's anything worse than that,
13:46but almost as bad where you're getting kicked out of the house,
13:49your wife's leaving you.
13:51Like,
13:51it never ends well.
13:52Well,
13:52so I,
13:53every scenario I've seen.
13:54I want to know,
13:55because I,
13:55I do have buddies that have made this a quasi full-time job,
13:59and they're not just playing it like a scratch off.
14:01Like,
14:02they,
14:03they're also not just betting $1,
14:04$2,
14:05$3.
14:05In his case,
14:07what,
14:07where is he?
14:08Is he down?
14:09Is he down a million dollars?
14:10Has he blown through with his legal fees too?
14:13Has he blown through any of the Texas tech money
14:15and the Cincinnati money?
14:16Or is he just zero?
14:18We just had the college world series.
14:20That was high stakes baseball being played in the SEC.
14:22So maybe there was some,
14:23is he up?
14:24Is he down?
14:24Is he put on that?
14:25Is he up?
14:26Cause I'm just saying like,
14:27there's a kind of a double standard here.
14:28Like I,
14:28I have friends that have definitely placed the amount of bets that he has placed
14:32and their families appreciate that.
14:34Their families do.
14:35I see the house.
14:36I've seen,
14:37I've seen the house they live in.
14:38I've seen the neighborhood they live in.
14:39Like they,
14:41they,
14:41they,
14:41they're doing okay.
14:42It's a dangerous friend.
14:43So I,
14:44I'm wondering if they're,
14:45if their neighbors think they have a gambling problem.
14:47Like I,
14:48I haven't heard,
14:49I haven't seen anybody put that up,
14:51but in the end,
14:51my question is this.
14:53So this came up with Maurice Claret.
14:55And part of the argument with Maurice Claret was that you were harming
14:58somebody who should otherwise be eligible for the draft.
15:01And originally they won the case until it went to the second district court of
15:06appeals as a now current sitting Supreme court justice made in the,
15:12in,
15:12in New York.
15:13It was always,
15:14always the,
15:14the appeals court in New York.
15:16I always love that.
15:16It's in all the TV movies.
15:18It's all the TV shows,
15:19the second district.
15:20Anyway,
15:20they overturned it.
15:21And so then it became gospel.
15:23It became essentially they affirmed the CBA.
15:29And now we know who's in the CBA,
15:31who's not governed by the CBA and Maurice Claret lost.
15:34It had to sit out a year.
15:36And that was as penal as it gets ever.
15:38Right.
15:39And the,
15:39I heard the arguments.
15:40He was going to be wounded and all of that.
15:43Well,
15:43in this case,
15:44has there ever been a reason not to download a gambling app that you've ever
15:48seen than Brennan Sorsby who just lost how much money lost the opportunity
15:53potentially to be a number one pick in next year's draft lost the ability to
15:58be in this.
15:59And I'm wondering,
16:00I keep hearing about the sanctity of the game and they don't want to
16:03violate,
16:05you know,
16:06the,
16:06the ethics and standards of this,
16:08this,
16:09this,
16:09these huge gambling companies and these gaming companies that they have
16:12relationships with.
16:13And I'm like,
16:14so on all of a sudden done,
16:16why would,
16:17what,
16:17what message is this also sending?
16:19Like you probably should never gamble.
16:21You should say that as somebody who comes on here and endorses a gambling
16:25company.
16:26I am curious how they're going to wade through that.
16:28Like they're basically saying,
16:30Hey,
16:30the pitfalls are so bad to gambling that you might lose a career and lose
16:35millions of dollars.
16:36Some of this is again,
16:37why I hate using the term kid.
16:39And I'll explain that coming up here in five minutes.
16:41Do you think you should get to play?
16:42Yes or no.
16:43This year,
16:43this year,
16:44I've always thought,
16:45I've always thought you should be eligible.
16:46I'm hearing a lot about the hypocrisy of all this stuff.
16:49I don't want to play the Breer cuts from yesterday.
16:51We'll get to that here in a second.
16:52You know,
16:53like I brought it up to you.
16:57And I,
16:57I've been saying this the whole time,
16:59like just because he's,
17:02I understand he's 18.
17:03All right.
17:04I get all that.
17:06When it started,
17:07when it started.
17:08All right.
17:08But I still don't have the facts of when he stopped.
17:12It's important.
17:13Because I don't have the facts of when he stopped.
17:14He could have said,
17:15for whatever reason,
17:17he could sit there and claim ignorance and go,
17:20I had no idea.
17:21I stopped four years ago or five years ago,
17:24however old he is now.
17:25And I'd be more apt to believe him.
17:27But I don't have those.
17:28I don't have those facts.
17:30I got his own agent saying Cincinnati knew about this.
17:32What did Cincinnati know about?
17:34And the Cincinnati stuff is very,
17:36on just the travel or the non-travel squad at Cincinnati.
17:39I have seen conflicting stuff on Cincinnati.
17:41I've seen some allegations that he did bet on his team was on Cincinnati.
17:48So this would be different.
17:49He had a role on the Cincinnati football team,
17:51obviously much more than just,
17:53you know,
17:54the,
17:54the,
17:54the whole argument.
17:55He was just sitting in his dorm room.
17:56And the other thing was,
17:57I've seen,
17:58it was daily fantasy.
17:59It was,
18:00it was doing a bunch of that.
18:03So I do think that that needs to be clear.
18:05Well,
18:05see,
18:06this is why I,
18:06this is why I fight it.
18:08This is why I fight it.
18:09I mean,
18:10we had an NFL head coach sit in here and have no problem over the course of 40
18:17minutes on and off air on air.
18:19Talk about the ponies.
18:21Oh yeah.
18:22Oh yeah.
18:22And how he knows the rules and he goes out of his way.
18:26Why can't I expect,
18:28I know he's 18.
18:29I know the kids are stupid.
18:31Excuse me.
18:31I know young men tend to be stupid.
18:33He's an adult at that point,
18:34according to the federal government.
18:37I understand that there's a tendency to be dumb,
18:40but if,
18:40if then you aren't hammering it into his head,
18:43and I don't believe that that was cursing netty at the time,
18:45but if you're not hammering it into every single one of these players heads of
18:48what could possibly happen,
18:50you,
18:50he,
18:50the kid is dumb for doing that and you're negligent and not telling them the full scope
18:56of all everything that could possibly go wrong.
18:59Because I,
19:01everybody knows that,
19:02yeah,
19:02the guys are going to hit the tables.
19:03Guys go up to Windsor.
19:05It was a different time in our generation.
19:06They're going to hit the tables.
19:08They're going to do some things.
19:09Young guys are going to be young guys.
19:10That's what young guys do.
19:11Okay,
19:12fine.
19:12But you know,
19:13you're not working summer landscaping.
19:16Okay.
19:17You play for Indiana.
19:18I know you're not on the travel squad,
19:19but if the fifth guy goes down,
19:22you're in,
19:22you're still part of it and you can still cause problems.
19:24You know,
19:25you and I had to deal with this with a friend of ours,
19:28not too terribly long ago with guys who weren't even on the travel squad.
19:32It doesn't matter.
19:33You got everybody in trouble for what you did because you should have known better.
19:36And they had to pay the fiddler for that.
19:38Hell,
19:38it opened up an opportunity for a guy who might be playing at Penn state this
19:41year.
19:41So I bring this up for this reason is we keep talking about the hypocrisy.
19:46There's still the personal responsibility.
19:48Like guys,
19:49we cannot sit here and,
19:51and act stupid about all this.
19:53Like the NFL.
19:54Yeah.
19:55It,
19:55it's in its classic sense is hypocritical,
19:59but it's also like,
20:00welcome to American business.
20:02Like Lima.
20:03All right.
20:04You're 45 years old.
20:06All right.
20:06I'm getting ready to hit a milestone age and Facebook knows.
20:09cause I keep getting so many damn blue chew ads,
20:11which I'll talk about with Jason or Daryl coming up later this week.
20:14Um,
20:16I represent in my twenties on this station,
20:20I represented,
20:21and you've every radio show host in this city.
20:24I I'd say every radio shows in any major city has represented a liquor brand.
20:27At one point I represent a liquor brand.
20:30Okay.
20:30Well,
20:30I can't sit there and yell about the hypocrisy.
20:33If I get too loaded up one night,
20:35my wife has to call the cops.
20:36I have to deal with that.
20:38And every,
20:39cause everything like that,
20:41that can lead to something bad is supposed to be done in moderation.
20:44And I know I fill myself up with butter and sugar every day.
20:47So I can't talk about the hypocrisy of the things that I eat.
20:51Cause it,
20:51that,
20:52no,
20:52I think it's a bad argument.
20:54I saw,
20:54I saw a lot of people making,
20:57I think I'm making a bad.
20:59A lot of people say,
21:00the NFL is in bed with alcohol and therefore what?
21:06Cause it's like,
21:06yeah,
21:07they're in bed with a lot of big,
21:08they're,
21:08they're in bed with the pharmaceutical companies.
21:10They're in bed with the insurance companies.
21:13Yes.
21:13The NFL has a lot of big time,
21:15big time partners.
21:16You do something that's very public.
21:18You,
21:18that makes you a representative of a public entertainment entity.
21:22And if you've acted out of line and they feel that you are not worth the risk,
21:26you're not worth the risk.
21:27You're going to be subject to either their punishments or expulsion from what they do.
21:31And it's just that simple.
21:32And,
21:33and,
21:33and some of us,
21:34I mean,
21:34we're getting up on our soap boxes here and I go,
21:37God,
21:37why are we,
21:39I'm not talking to 15 year olds here,
21:41guys.
21:41You guys are all grown men going to work.
21:43You guys know all this.
21:44So it's like,
21:45why are there's no reason for me to get up on my soapbox about that.
21:48When you guys all know that.
21:49Well,
21:50to me,
21:51they're not grown men driving to work today aren't stupid.
21:54It surprised me.
21:55Like you,
21:55you wouldn't allow,
21:57your players to openly drink,
21:59you know,
22:00during the game,
22:00before the game.
22:02Well,
22:02you guys got Bud Light up on this.
22:03Right.
22:04That doesn't matter.
22:05Right.
22:05I thought that,
22:05I thought that argument totally missed the mark and was kind of silly.
22:09Like the,
22:09the NFL has all these different partners,
22:11a wide array of businesses.
22:12They should have rules.
22:14They,
22:14they,
22:15I've never said that.
22:16Like Brennan Sorsby is some,
22:18some total victim in all of this,
22:20even after this suspension,
22:21like,
22:22look,
22:22the NFL does have their rules and you know,
22:25you also have your lawyers and you can figure that out.
22:28I had no problem by the way,
22:29with him lawyering up.
22:30I,
22:30people are like every around every turn he lawyers up.
22:32It's like,
22:33that's,
22:33that's America.
22:34Like we have,
22:35we have people in very high places in this country that lawyer up at every turn
22:38because they can lawyer up at every turn.
22:40It has made him an unsympathetic figure.
22:42And that is what to me is the most surprising or the biggest difference from someone who
22:48covered the Maurice Claret case and lived through the Maurice Claret saga is he was,
22:53even after he had taken all the impermissible gifts,
22:56which originally was allegedly,
22:57but it was him taking impermissible gifts.
23:00He was,
23:01he was looking to lawyer up.
23:03He was trying to dodge any of the consequences in college and trying to keep all his money
23:09and what he had gotten.
23:10And he had also,
23:11I thought lied about some of his treatment at Ohio state.
23:14And yet he was a sympathetic figure 20 years ago.
23:18There were people across all sorts of demographics who were taking it up for the player against the machine.
23:25And what's so fascinating about Sorsby is you guys have sided with the machine NCAA because,
23:32and have sided with the NFL.
23:34Cause they knew it wasn't a job.
23:35The biggest of machines.
23:36Now it's a job.
23:37Is it because he's gotten paid money?
23:39Is that exact?
23:40That's exactly right.
23:41That's the only difference.
23:41Cause he's got,
23:42he's got money in the bank and an opportunity.
23:44We don't know how much money in the bank anymore.
23:46And in Terrell prior situation,
23:48or a lot of those other situations,
23:50like you could try to put money in that bank,
23:52but you really shouldn't be putting money in that bank because you don't,
23:55we,
23:55we don't want to know where that money came from.
23:57Whatever sandwich bag you got it from,
23:58from whatever booster.
24:00Also called the good old days to some,
24:02some fans out there.
24:03Like that was a different set of circumstances.
24:05And there was a big argument about players,
24:07not being able to make money off their own likenesses and all that other stuff.
24:10All those arguments are done.
24:12Now it's just,
24:13how do you try to put toothpaste back in the bottle,
24:15which you ain't going to be able to do.
24:16So.
24:16So now it's,
24:17it's basically,
24:18Hey,
24:19you,
24:19you get paid just like anybody else does.
24:22And you do a public thing.
24:23Not like a lot of people do that.
24:25You are special in that case.
24:27There's how many millions of people here.
24:29You are in a special case.
24:30You're well-known in what you do.
24:31So you have to represent that better and more is expected of you,
24:34no matter what,
24:35that's the American way.
24:36That's,
24:36that's personal responsibility.
24:37That's what adults do.
24:38Whether you're 18,
24:39whether you're 47 years old,
24:41you're still an adult.
24:42And that's where I just,
24:43I won't give him that quarter on that.
24:45However,
24:46that all being said,
24:47I don't think he should never be able to play football again.
24:50Cause I think we're going into a different area before.
24:52It was extremely clear.
24:54Like when Pete Rose played baseball,
24:56managed baseball,
24:57it was extremely clear and they didn't get the full scope of things.
25:00I do think throughout the entire working of that case,
25:05I do think that Pete Rose signed some things.
25:07He might not have known he was signing.
25:08I'll grant him that.
25:10But I think that that's a different scenario.
25:12Now we're more open about it.
25:13Now you have to set a precedent.
25:15And I,
25:15I just think that this becomes a great big fight to slow things down to
25:20eventually make him go.
25:21Yeah.
25:22You know what?
25:22I'm just going to play nice because somebody I'm going to work out.
25:26I'm not going to have any negative stats against me.
25:29Cause if you're Brennan Sorsby,
25:30you're looking at it going,
25:31all right,
25:32if I can't get back in the NFL at some period of time here,
25:35I got to go on the,
25:36I got to go on the offensive.
25:37I got to go on the offensive going,
25:39I'm a change man.
25:40I have not bet since this,
25:42this,
25:42and this time,
25:43the workout videos,
25:44the Instagram videos,
25:45bring in the film crew.
25:47God knows we've seen them do it right there while they do it in front of us,
25:50which is crazy and bizarre,
25:51but kind of fun.
25:52Bring in the film crew,
25:53show the workouts because you know what?
25:55But I'll bring out the list while Julian Sane goes out there and God forbid,
26:00I don't want him to.
26:01He seems like a nice enough young man,
26:02but if Julian Sane throws two picks,
26:04guess who didn't throw two picks that week?
26:05Brennan Sorsby.
26:06If Lenore Sellers throws two picks that week in a loss with South Carolina,
26:10guess who didn't throw two picks that week?
26:11Brennan Sorsby.
26:12So his name will continue to go up.
26:14I wonder,
26:15I wonder.
26:16He's cost,
26:17I think he's cost himself first round with all this,
26:19but there,
26:19there's a world where this is unrecoverable.
26:21This is a world where this is the end of,
26:24of his football life outside of the peripheral leagues and whatnot down the road.
26:29But I don't think,
26:31I don't think he should be banned for life.
26:33There's other things that happen.
26:34He's not going to be,
26:35he's going to be eligible a year from now,
26:37but does he recover from being out of sight,
26:40out of mind?
26:41And you know,
26:42where did Maurice Claret eventually end up getting drafted?
26:45But because of their partnerships,
26:46I think the NFL,
26:47while you can call it as hypocritical as you want,
26:49not you necessarily,
26:50but anybody else,
26:51the NFL is forced to carry a heavy hand here.
26:54Because I think what Albert said yesterday was very,
26:57very true.
26:58Like they,
26:58they,
26:59a lot of people make money from this.
27:01A lot of businesses make money from this in this business.
27:03A lot of entities do it and they have to protect it no matter what.
27:07And if,
27:07and if one guy has to become the poster child for that,
27:10they will make an example of him.
27:12I just thought we had our poster child.
27:14I thought we had that,
27:15the,
27:15the,
27:15the kid from,
27:17you know,
27:17LSU.
27:18Yeah,
27:18this is quarterback.
27:19This is a quarter.
27:20So that's the difference.
27:21It sucks.
27:22If you can bet all you want,
27:23as long as you're not a quarterback,
27:24there's wide receivers.
27:25This is a quarterback.
27:26I don't know how that stands up in court,
27:27but that is interesting.
27:28Well,
27:28Jeffrey Kessler,
27:29surely.
27:30I,
27:30hopefully he's listening to that.
27:31Don't play this for everybody.
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