00:00I thought the idea to humanize this icon, Michael Jackson, and his family, was interesting from Jump, immediately.
00:12Like, who wouldn't want to jump in there?
00:13Joe Jackson was a complicated guy.
00:16I know everyone thinks of him as one kind of note, but there was, he was way more complicated than
00:23that.
00:23And I think that's what Coleman really got attracted to, was the layers.
00:27Nobody else will understand you outside this place.
00:30You'll be, with all the money in the world, surrounded by people who say yes to everything.
00:39Is that what you want?
00:41And I thought, here's a great opportunity, because I think the court of public opinion sheds a very complex and
00:48dark light onto Joseph Jackson.
00:51And I thought, here's my opportunity to find the light in him, to find the love in him, to find
00:56all those other things that people say about him.
00:58That, you know, sort of get buried underneath the very strong father who was really diligent and rigorous with his
01:06children.
01:07You've got a lot to learn, you've got a lot to learn, you've got a lot to learn about family.
01:16And I'm not going to lie to a strawberry, he'll lie to some chocolate.
01:24Gus?
01:24You know, I grew up with my grandfather, I had a softer side of him, but to see the things
01:30that Coleman brought out of him, that will help, you know, audiences understand Joseph Eiffel more, was, was important.
01:37Versus cattle owners, the earliest shops.
01:41They watch religion.
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