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00:00we've always been afraid to do a book together we did have a really good offer but they wanted just
00:06dirt dirt dirt dirt dirt i remember saying my parents are still alive i don't know now i have
00:10kids so they're going to be embarrassed rock metal prog and everything in between welcome
00:18to this episode of talking rock with meltdown don't forget to follow the audio only talking
00:23rock podcast on all podcast platforms and now it's time for today's conversation here's meltdown
00:30hey ricky it's kind of uh it's kind of interesting that that you were a little bit late to the
00:34uh
00:34the broadcast today because i didn't know anything about this but i i was watching your your uh your
00:40your legend tripping series and i was like i was addicted to it i didn't realize that you were in
00:45all that stuff oh yeah it's a lot of fun and you know what there's some interest too uh as
00:52far as
00:54like maybe a tv series or something like that so um you know i haven't been doing as much content
01:01because we've been talking about that yeah i don't like to say anything until like something's really
01:06good oh i just did i guess but but since you brought it up you know what i mean so
01:13no dude i'm super
01:14infatuated in that stuff i actually host another podcast called haunted michigan and i talked to you
01:19you know paranormal uh people uh around the uh the michigan area uh but you uh one episode you did
01:25last year about gettysburg i was at that farnsworth house if you if you give me a second here i
01:30actually
01:30had a a small experience there on the third floor did you take the trip did you start in the
01:35third
01:35morning they told they did they tell you how everything worked out there what we yes we did we
01:42did all the farnsworth buildings and stuff like that over the week that well we weren't there a week
01:48we were there like five days like uh my daughter and i went along with the taps team uh and
01:54uh so
01:55we were there we saw so much stuff that week it was crazy yeah it was really good yeah i
02:01was up on
02:01that third floor and we were getting ready to take the tour and um and and the woman was the
02:06guy i
02:06can't remember if it was a man or a woman they were just they were explaining to us for people
02:09to know
02:09no uh the north was on the south side and the south was on the north side it kind of
02:14got switched
02:14around in gettysburg and they would shoot down the street through this window that's in this
02:19farnsworth building and when a when a soldier was killed they drag him across uh the the floor over
02:23and they they piled the bodies on the one side and people that stay there uh they they say that
02:28they
02:28they hear stuff all the time in there even two three in the morning anyways as the guide's talking
02:33this kid in the middle of the room stops him and he looked like he had just seen a ghost
02:37he said
02:38somebody has their hands on my shoulders and i was like i was like holy crap now it didn't happen
02:44exactly to me and i was there but it's like that was just kind of wild well you know what
02:48we you know
02:49i i was like getting nothing okay for the longest time i was getting you know no indication of anything
02:56being weird or we were in attics with lights off all this stuff i'm like okay maybe there's just too
03:01many people here i don't know what it is but uh then uh we were borrowing some of these you
03:08know
03:08where you have heat detection and we were getting the good we have a couple of guys uh with the
03:13fire
03:13department uh in our group and they lent us a couple of these i forget what they're called but uh
03:20um they're meters to to see heat uh meaning to find victims and stuff that was coming up in the
03:28building you're talking about that's where i started to see stuff and i was like wow and i'm
03:34trying to videotape it off my phone onto the you know what i mean yeah and uh so that was
03:40pretty
03:40wild that was probably about the most uh compelling evidence that i got uh over that period in time
03:47it was fun now you're playing the token lounge coming up on on august 29th there's a building called
03:53uh eloise have you heard about that eloise asylum i have heard about it yeah so that's four that's
04:00five and a half miles from where we are 14 minutes i actually googled it i was in there one
04:04night and
04:04we were in this surgical room and somebody was clanking together these lobotomy tools from way
04:09back in the day and i've got it on video when you come into town i'll play for i got
04:13about 25 seconds
04:14snippet but outside this room these shrieks came and everyone looked at everybody and the guides
04:21you know called to the people upstairs you said did you hear that no one heard it and i got
04:25it on
04:26video and i've sent it to some of my friends like steve shippey from the travel channel and he said
04:30it
04:31sounded other were outer worldly or whatever it is but uh you should go you should go if you got
04:35if
04:36you got a little bit of time that afternoon to go check that place out or maybe i would love
04:40to
04:40yeah yeah even better yet yeah anyways i could talk to you about ghosts and paranormal stuff uh all
04:47all all afternoon long here but like i said you got that show coming up august 29th uh what
04:52what precipitated this uh tour for for 2026 well i've been doing some gigs with rocket mafia it's a
05:00fun thing that i put together a couple of years ago um and you know when i found out poison
05:08wasn't
05:08going to tour and and to commemorate a 40-year anniversary i thought well maybe i'll do that and
05:16but how can i do it that the way poison wouldn't do it or you know i don't want to
05:21compete with like
05:22what brett's trying to do i realized that poison would never do the whole look with cat dragged in
05:27record like we just that wouldn't be in our wheelhouse we do a bunch of poison songs that's
05:34how that would go so i thought well maybe that'd be a cool thing so i kind of ask a
05:39few people a couple
05:41agents different people is this a good idea or is it cheesy and they're like no i think it's a
05:46really good idea so uh we i said let's do it let's let's have some fun with this it's only
05:51going to be
05:52a year it's only going to be this year um because next year won't be the 40th um so obviously
05:59so you
06:00know we we went for it and uh it's been a lot of fun like it's been received really well
06:05so because
06:06we're not trying to do it we're not trying to do a like be a poison tribute band and i
06:12happen to be
06:13in it we're doing it like rocket mafia is doing the poison record so yeah that's the that's the
06:19approach because otherwise it'd be super cheesy now if i'm not mistaken mick suedo was in the band
06:26at one point is that correct yes as a matter of fact i was texting with him today yeah so
06:31he's been
06:32busy with bullet boys and uh what happened towards the end of last year when we were doing some gigs
06:38he had a knee infection that like the doctor's like you cannot play like you can't go stand on a
06:45stage
06:46we're like well can we bring out like a wheelchair and mick play you know and he's just like no
06:51this is
06:52not good for insurance or otherwise so um so we wound up uh you know uh you know replacing mick
07:00for a
07:01little bit and then stacy blade stepped in and then when mick came back from his knee injury
07:06he got offered the opportunity to work with bullet boys again and i'm like hey man you know it go
07:13home
07:13if you want to you know i mean yeah you get so yeah do that yeah yeah so i i
07:19think that if i'm not
07:20mistaken uh mick and you and i are kind of from the same area of the country i grew up
07:24in western new
07:24york and this isn't mick from isn't he from that area there as well he is yeah he's from like
07:30not
07:30buffalo but somewhere in that area yeah and i'm a little further down you know pennsylvania central
07:37pa yeah i've been down there before i've stayed down there at the old fogies place that's a i toured
07:42the uh i toured the uh york assembly plan because i'm a i'm a harley guy myself oh i drove
07:48that track
07:49did you really where they test the track when they first came out with the springer remember when
07:55they oh yeah in the spring uh i rode one of the first springers so that was really cool i
08:00think
08:00i mean the whole band did but well i know brett did he was with us and scotty ross trying
08:05to
08:05remember but yeah the york plants right there man it was like you know how cool you know it's so
08:11cool
08:11for a guy like myself who's ridden harley's for almost four decades now to see that but uh you know
08:16i i was reading like your your biography for your book which we'll talk about here in a second but
08:20um i am not a los angeles guy growing up in in in western new york did did you become
08:26a los
08:26angeles guy moving from mid-state pennsylvania to los angeles i don't know i don't know what
08:32that means probably not i mean i don't you know we lived in hollywood in the early years you know
08:39what i mean yeah with poison um but i kind of i i live an hour away from the city
08:45i'm out in the
08:46boonies here where i can ride dirt bikes and well i guess i guess that's the thing it's like you
08:50know
08:50we all we grew up in a different era than los angeles or hollywood and and you know i've been
08:55out to los angeles i'm like this just isn't my groove yeah i always say you know i'm too ugly
09:01for la and too slow for new york so yeah that's funny but um so yeah your your book uh
09:10ghost notes
09:11uh my life in poison and like i said i just discovered that that you were kind of in all
09:15this paranormal stuff i don't know where i've been all this time uh but tell me about this uh book
09:19do
09:19you have a date for any release or anything like that yeah it's coming out next month september
09:24uh you can uh pre-order signed copies and all this stuff there's some on amazon there's rare bird
09:33books um rare bird is distributed now with simon and schuster so that's but that pushed the book back
09:40a little bit because then it was now a 90-day turnaround so um so the book you know you
09:47know
09:47ghost notes are kind of like the notes between the notes when you're a drummer and that's kind of what
09:52this is it's kind of like all my footnotes of different things you know throughout poison's
09:59career and some of it is more poignant moments in my life and uh what what i was thinking and
10:06feeling
10:07during certain times and what kind of molded me and all that sort of stuff so it's not like a
10:13tell
10:13all book i'm not out trying to bash anybody or do any of that kind of stuff but i think
10:18people will
10:19find it interesting because there's a lot of personal triumphs a lot of personal struggles
10:23um and filling in the blanks with some of those questionable poison moments that just i go what
10:32why do they keep repeating the same narrative like it you know nobody punched anybody after the awards
10:38like it just you know it sounds great for press but you know yeah yeah you're you i like the
10:45use of
10:45the double entendre to the uh ghost notes i guess i never would have put that together
10:50oh yeah so we do talk about actual ghosts okay so yeah so yeah it is a double entendre yeah
10:58i think i
10:58heard uh a comedian or some sometime some someone once say if you ever get lost a conversation ask
11:04somebody if they've ever had a paranormal experience so we kind of touched on a little bit so
11:08have you had like a paranormal experience i have yeah uh several times several um i uh you know i've
11:18uh outlined some of it in the book um but you know i'm in a paranormal group um but you
11:25know
11:25because i'm sort of and because i'm a legend tripper i sort of uh approach things i don't want to
11:34say
11:34i'm pessimistic but i i don't come i come in with to a case not thinking anything i don't think
11:43that
11:43it's a ghost or not a ghost or this or that i just kind of come in and go okay
11:47so the ghost is supposed
11:48to appear on the train tracks at midnight let's sit on the train tracks at midnight make sure that
11:54we're listening for a train so we don't get hit and and uh or whatever i'm making this up right
12:01but um you know so that's kind of what we do you know kind of what i do and i
12:07think that i've been
12:08invited into this group because uh because i'm i come from a more um i don't know uh skeptical
12:17yeah spectrum you know i don't just take everything oh there's ghosts in here maybe maybe not
12:24maybe you know there's lots of things you know dude i am i am totally with you and and the
12:31one
12:31episode i heard the one episode that i was watching earlier today you said you go look i'm not one
12:35of
12:35these guys that's gonna act all excited about something i'm i'm completely 100 i'm just like
12:41you i'm skeptical but i will listen and i will i will be there and like i told you that
12:45that video i
12:46have i don't know how to explain it you know it is what it is i suppose but uh so
12:50you're in the
12:50the atlantic paranormal society taps is that correct yes west coast version which is like a
12:56does that make any sense but uh yeah no that doesn't actually
13:03but uh yeah so i met all those guys like part of the gettysburg experience was uh being able to
13:11to meet you know the guys that started the group many years ago hang out with people i'm the like
13:19one
13:19of the newest members i've only been a taps guy for like three years i think now two or three
13:24years
13:25and uh the other newest member has been there nine years so they're very picky about who they bring in
13:34and so it but that's great because you know we have a um a really good reputation that way
13:41everybody i can rely on this group so well i don't ever have to walk into a situation think
13:48somebody's going to run out scared and leave me or knock out you do something stupid like i don't
13:53have to worry about that everybody's so solid in this group you know yeah um and i love it so
14:00yeah i was i just uh at around thanksgiving time last year i went to salem i'm sure you've been
14:04there
14:04a bunch of times love it yeah yeah that was really cool i stayed at the uh the hawthorne because
14:10my
14:10wife told me of course yeah my wife said she goes she googled the most haunted place in salem and
14:14she
14:14goes and you're staying there well if you come out to california then you got to stay at the glenn
14:20tavern and i saw yeah i i think i saw you talking about that as well and that's great so
14:25getting
14:25back to your book and stuff so obviously like you said you covered the ghost stuff you covered i'm
14:30sure there's a ton of rock and roll stories in there tons yeah there's a lot but it's from you
14:36know
14:36again it's from my perspective it's not the the thing is is that some of the most interesting parts
14:42of our career were when we were sort of cutting our teeth and figuring it out on the east coast
14:47everything just starts at the sunset strip with everybody else like that was a short stop in our
14:53career i mean it was important but uh but we didn't really get signed because of that you know we
15:00were
15:00uh making a lot of noise on the circuit uh but we wound up on an independent label and um
15:07you know
15:08uh enigma so i just think that all the stories not all the stories but a big chunk of the
15:16stories of
15:16those early days when we're playing dive bars in maryland and all these places i mean that was some
15:23of the that was some of the crazy stuff quite frankly it really was so like we're honestly like
15:29we you know i was a hairdresser at the time right and uh so we'd go and set up get
15:37everything going do a
15:38sound check and then i'd come back work for a while and then go back and play three sets
15:45go home go back you know at the end of the night uh two o'clock in the morning three
15:51o'clock in the
15:52morning and just go to work and like go to sleep in the shampoo bowl and like just wake up
15:58and brush
15:59my teeth and start work and then go back to the gig and and i did that so many times
16:05i can't even tell
16:06you i would not have the energy to do that now at my age but but you know like just
16:11crazy stuff like
16:11that and the whole time i'm trying to get girls to come to our shows and stuff you know um
16:17and that
16:18would work it worked yeah yeah for sure yeah absolutely so how long were you guys in california
16:24before like you guys started to break um it took a good solid year it really did um what we
16:33were
16:33doing was we were um you know because since we you know we came from a circuit where you had
16:41to do
16:41a bunch of cover songs uh and la is not that you know you do a 40 minute set of
16:48all your own songs
16:49basically that it's a showcase town and uh so in order to make money we would go to the outskirts
16:57of la
16:57you know tustin and places like that and play top 40 stuff go and play three sets to do top
17:0540 and
17:05make money like we did back east that's how we survived and other bands were just playing once
17:11a month in hollywood and we're like we can't just sit in our hands that long there's no way
17:17yeah you know what i mean so that's that's what we did we we had i think a really good
17:23work ethic i think that was a big part of our success for sure now when you were in the
17:30uh when
17:30you're in pennsylvania were you running across bands like uh cinderella or kicks or bands like
17:34that or were they a little bit before you or what well kicks was before us but we opened shows
17:39for
17:40them okay uh we opened shows for the sharks and a bunch of different bands cinderella no um so we
17:47didn't we didn't know those guys well i think brett knew tom a little bit uh i think he was
17:52at a
17:52rehearsal or something um and uh but uh but no we didn't know those guys we played the empire rock
17:59room uh which is where cinderella got signed out of uh but yeah they were um they stayed closer in
18:07philly we were hitting a lot more they were just a couple years ahead of us okay tom's a little
18:14older
18:14eric's a little older uh maryland the drinking age was 18 at the time so we played a lot in
18:22maryland
18:22you know because we were young we were 19 20 years when we moved out here i turned 23 out
18:28here
18:29that year okay so we we were young you know and i'm the oldest member right and so so you
18:36leave at
18:3623 by 30 you're a multi-millionaire rock stars right yes yeah i mean that's that's a that's a quick
18:43change yes it uh it you know i grew up in this band basically you know what i mean i
18:52it's hard to
18:53understand myself without the poison history you know what i'm saying oh yeah of course i had to do
18:59a book about it you know what i mean we've always been afraid to do a book together i think
19:05because
19:06we um i i don't know you know poison has been well we did have a really good offer but
19:13they wanted just
19:14dirt dirt dirt dirt dirt dirt and you know my i just remember saying my parents at the time i
19:21remember
19:22saying my parents are still alive i don't want to yeah yeah right embarrass my parents you know now i
19:27have
19:27kids so they're going to be embarrassed yeah right like they are now yeah you say like the dirt and
19:36it's like you know the first thing i think of obviously is the motley thing where they did they
19:39they wrote the book together like that you know i've spent my whole life on in the radio but it
19:44seems
19:44like sometimes rock stars have their own ups and downs obviously you guys were uh you guys grew up in
19:49mid-state pennsylvania you go to los angeles you catch fire next thing you know you're you're you're
19:53touring you know you're you're playing arenas and stadiums and with all these you know and then you
19:58know then grunge comes along kind of maybe goes down as there's a there's a real roller coaster uh
20:02kind of aspect to some some of the rock stars lives isn't there uh absolutely i and i talk a
20:09lot about
20:09that um you know the thing is is that during the early part of the whole grunge thing we were
20:14so
20:14consumed with trying to kind of reinvent poison and uh fill cc's shoes in some way shape or
20:23form and we realized we're not going to be able to do that so we we made a left a
20:29little bit of a
20:30left turn i just like it's funny because i just listened to that record native tongue yesterday
20:35i haven't listened to it for a while except for one song that i do in my drum clinic but
20:39um i love the way i played on that record i think it's a great record uh richie was great
20:45to work with
20:46um and i i'm very very proud of that record i feel like i feel like we went we're not
20:54going to try to
20:55be grunge because that's not our jam we're not going to try to be what we were with poison or
21:00i'm
21:00sorry with cc we're going to turn the page and do a new chapter and we're going to do it
21:07really well
21:08and i think we did all those things was it as successful as open up and say ah and stuff
21:15like
21:15that no it wasn't um people had grown to understand poison a certain way and then there were other
21:22types of music that were you know obviously out there and so you know there was a lot of ingredients
21:28for why but it still quietly sold a million records like in the first few months it's not like
21:34and we were still on mtv and we were still we did get treated differently than some of the other
21:40acts that followed us um you know what i mean so uh we got it and you know it was
21:46well received by
21:47a lot of people um a lot of critics liked it uh to this day i think a lot of
21:53people like that record
21:55and again i do too i'm sitting there listening i go i really like what i played on that like
21:59that's
21:59cool you know what i mean yeah i listen go back to look what the cat dragged in and i
22:04go
22:04oh my god why did i play that you know what i mean but you know it's 40 years later
22:08what do you want
22:08yeah it's almost like when when motley releases hooligans it was like it was a great record wrong
22:13time you know the whole thing it was a great record yeah yeah i mean anything with karabi i mean
22:20it
22:20was like there was some really good stuff there absolutely so yeah i mean you know sometimes uh
22:27it's just perception and timing and all that kind of stuff but i mean we had a great producer richie
22:33zito
22:34was fantastic to work with and i mean i think everybody was playing and brett was singing
22:40everybody was like we were at our prime i feel like and i feel like so much of it got
22:46and great
22:47video like the stand video is incredible i mean i look back at that and i go wow like that
22:52really
22:53we shot it on film it looked freaking like a movie it was so good you know um but uh
23:00but it just
23:01didn't resonate with core poison fans you know most of them anyway it just didn't we went out
23:07we did a tour we did fine you know we were and all that stuff we did europe we i
23:12mean it was again it
23:13was fine it was good uh but it wasn't phenomenal you know what i mean yeah it's like it's like
23:19catching lightning in a bottle i suppose right it's like sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
23:24that's right and that's why you can take super groups and put them together and it just doesn't
23:30you know you think you know a plus a and b plus b and this is all going to work
23:35together
23:36not you once in a great while that works you know what i mean but most of the time you
23:43can't
23:43formulate it you know uh i mean i arguably some of these ai platforms are trying to do that but
23:51all right um but you know what i mean like it's just through and you know uh speaking of ai
23:57we
23:58have to talk about that for just a second sure you know i have a 13 year old daughter who
24:03thinks
24:04almost everything is ai slop they her age group can't stand it so there's you know a lot of people
24:13i think feel like the next generation is going to like just go we don't want that that's not
24:18right i'm not saying they wouldn't want it to calculate a new prescription that helps somebody
24:24right right the part i'm talking about you're talking about getting a song on the billboard
24:27charts right yeah yeah there's a lot of that garbage yeah yes and and it's very predictable and
24:36uh you know i mean it's basically that ai stuff is taking what already exists and mishmashing it
24:44together it's not creating something totally new and you might say well aren't you taking your
24:49library and yes and no i mean there you ai is never going to create a cultural movement the way
24:57the
24:5860s did or punk rock or or grunge even or you know any of that kind of stuff um you
25:04know it's just or the
25:05clam movement like it's you know that that stuff was social as well as as musical you know and ai
25:14is
25:14not going to be able to do that i don't think well i hope you're right you know yeah yeah
25:19i hope you're
25:20right because it's it's it's you know garbage like you said but uh you just mentioned uh some of the
25:25some of your drum parts and look what the cat track did when you when you do this uh rocket
25:28mafia do
25:29you do you change anything or do you just kind of stick to the script no i change it not
25:34dramatically i
25:35don't want people to go like you know right but i but you know sure i make it i i
25:41think it feels
25:41better i think it you know um some of the fills are better you know what i mean i i
25:46just i just think
25:47it's better yeah yeah and you know when you guys came out you know obviously you put out the debut
25:52record and then you guys put out a few more records right now nowadays it seems like bands wait like
25:56five or six years to put out a record do you notice that too it's like i wonder why that
26:00is
26:01you know there's not a lot of money in records these days yeah um and uh but i i think
26:09what it
26:09is more than anything is i think i think bands should do records i and release more music it lets
26:17everybody know you're still there you're still thinking about the fans and you're still creative
26:22and you still have all that and prove to everybody it's not just about the money you know
26:28i mean it used to be like you know you do a record and you know you get an advance
26:32and you know and
26:34and uh whatever you don't use it's yours right at least for a while until you pay it back but
26:39um so
26:40you know i but but there's you know get really advances to any real degree anymore not not not like
26:48the old days there's no now our first record was 25 grand and back in the day that may have
26:54been
26:55what 5 000 would be today probably and and i know that sounds backwards like you know uh it should
27:03be 50 000 yes it should be this now but it's it's not like it's just there's no because of
27:09streaming
27:10uh i mean poison has a pretty good deal with streaming but most bands cannot cut a decent streaming
27:16deal you know yeah and it's uh so it's more like the music's almost like an advertisement used to be
27:23the
27:23other way around you go on tour to advertise your record you know now you put out a record to
27:30advertise your tour i mean that that's pretty much how that goes now yeah and you know one of the
27:36things i brought up was with when you guys put out a bunch of records like at one point you
27:40just have
27:40to say that you're done with it right you're recording recording recording and like you said
27:44you look back on you go i mean i wish i would change that but at one point you got
27:47to say you're just
27:48finished right you kind of do and the producer is really in charge of that um but i always tell
27:57people you know always really listen to what what is on a record especially if it's a hit because
28:02that's what everybody finally decided was the best thing right yeah so there's something to that
28:08you know um so i've always tried to do that i always try to listen to like what did that
28:14drummer
28:14finally settle on and why why did the producer say that's it and it dawned on me one time one
28:21time
28:21richie zito was listening back to one of our tracks and i said can i do that better can i
28:28be he goes
28:28i'm not really listening to the drums particularly i'm just listening to make sure nothing bothers me
28:35about him and i'm like what he goes i don't want distraction if it's distracting the song it's not
28:42going to work and i was like drummers take note if you're distracting from the song you're not being
28:50a good drummer yeah i have to wonder sometimes when i listen to a song on the radio or you
28:55know when i
28:55play one or whatever it's like what was the decision besides fading a song out or ending it cold i
29:00was
29:00i've never recorded a song but it's like i guess you just have to live with whatever decision you make
29:05right yeah that's that's i you know fade outs are so 50s right in 60s it was all those fade
29:12outs you
29:12know what i mean yeah and so it's it's kind of or modulation changes and stuff like that but yeah
29:18no i think i think if you just like really don't have an ending especially if you're just jamming out
29:23at the end you know it's like oh let's just fade it you know i'm thinking uh what do you
29:29think
29:29a fallen angel or something that fades out right it's like you know just thinking about some of the
29:32songs you know it's like why didn't you guys just end it or why why'd you choose to fade it
29:36out it's
29:37like it's like the ever ever never ending question i suppose you know i think maybe um
29:44critically thinking about it like uh when you're listening to like a chorus that's vamping out like
29:50that you want to keep that in somebody's head you know what i mean so but like a rush song
29:56for
29:56example may not work as well fade it out like you want a succinct ending you know what i mean
30:01yeah
30:02because it's not like a shout chorus or something like that so like uh so you know so yeah it's
30:10a
30:10good observation i'd never really hardcore thought about it but yeah if you really want that chorus
30:16to stick in somebody's head you know fade it out you know i've always thought like this song fade
30:20down then it's at one point the band just gives up and they just walk away but by then it's
30:24already
30:24faded out so we don't know what happened
30:28well listen here i'm gonna start to close things down but uh uh you know i mean obviously everyone
30:32is talking about it maybe next year you guys get back on the big stage what do you think
30:36i'm hey let's do it let's do it i know i know i talked to frank
30:41have drums will travel
30:44do you miss did you miss the big stage when you're not playing on it
30:47oh absolutely yeah yeah i mean i'm i'm used to it and it's it's woven into my very fabric i
30:55tell you
30:57and but but what is what is the what is it like playing some of these smaller clubs what's the
31:01advantage of that or what's what's something you like about that it's scarier i swear it really it
31:06is the pressure is different everybody's looking at you it's like okay i'm here dazzle me you know
31:12whereas like a concert has a you know an outdoor concert or a bigger venue has a different mentality
31:19when you're going in you're already decided i'm having a good time right like that's i'm getting
31:24in the car let's go for a ride i expect you to take me fast whereas at a club people
31:30are not sure
31:30what you're gonna deliver you know what i mean it's like um so it's but it's a good challenge it's
31:37a
31:37i enjoy the challenge for me too and and it's nice to be that close to fans i mean it's
31:45like
31:45it's not they're not a mile away they're right there it's like you know hey i always i always tell
31:51people i've never been on stage before a bigger crowd is like almost faceless like i've been on
31:55stage in front of 40 000 before metallica and it's almost easier than being on stage at the token
32:00lounge you're right you're right absolutely yeah so well you'll be there saturday august 29th
32:06and i don't know man i think we should try to do something at night with eloise asylum if we
32:11can
32:12get in there that's that place is pretty wild i'm all for it dude i think it'd be great let's
32:17do it
32:18all right i'll reach out to a barbara and see if we can make something like that happen i don't
32:21know
32:21what your schedule is the next day but uh i don't want to pressure you know but it's it's really
32:25close
32:25i think you'd really enjoy it you know what i i'd have to look um well we'll figure it out
32:31yeah we'll
32:32figure it out i i have no idea but uh i think we can make a little time come on
32:40oh ricky thanks let's do a meet and greet let's do a meet and greet there yeah dude that's where
32:45that's where i was i was doing a thing with this band called the funeral portrait and they brought
32:49a bunch of their fans there and they split them up into two groups that's what happened that's where
32:53i was that night hey maybe oh the gears are turning yeah see there you go it'll be fun
33:00well thanks so much for your time i appreciate it and again i apologize for messing up the time
33:07all good no no no problem at all check out talking rock with meltdown on all podcast platforms and wrif
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