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00:00Okay, let's start by talking to you about the beginning of your football career, what do you believe needs to be done in
00:09What do you bring to the Palmeiras U-20 team with your arrival?
00:13Hi, how are you? Good afternoon. So, I'm starting my specific journey in football, I've always aspired to be a football player, always
00:24I had this dream,
00:25Like many people who work in football today, I didn't have the necessary technical skills to achieve...
00:36high performance with regard to the sport of football,
00:40But later, I went on to study Physical Education with the dream of becoming a teacher, an educator, not specifically in that particular sport.
00:49of football,
00:49But during that period of my training, I received an invitation to do an internship at Grêmio Futebol.
00:56Porto Alegrense, in 2013,
00:59And I ended up entering this somewhat more competitive world, and I ended up joining Grêmio Futebol Porto Alegrense in 2014.
01:07as a contracted player in the Under-9 category, and subsequently, I spent nine and a half years at Grêmio Futebol Porto Alegrense.
01:15...and going through all the stages in the club's sports initiation period, in this training phase, arriving at...
01:23Under-13.
01:24In the Under-13 category, I ended up receiving an invitation to join the youth ranks of São Paulo Futebol Clube.
01:32where I stayed until last year, reaching the Under-20 category, and now, also joining the Under-20 team here at
01:40Palmeiras.
01:40It's a short journey, but one that made me reflect on all stages of my education.
01:46and it allowed me to experience all the stages, from Under-9 to Under-20.
01:50And, in addition to that, being able to learn daily from many professionals who already had significant and relevant experiences in this process.
01:58And today, here I am, in the Under-20s, and able to enjoy this whole process that is experienced here.
02:06a winning process, a process that brings many positive things, in addition to the athlete's development,
02:12but also the training of the professionals who are here.
02:15You talk a lot about process throughout your career, and in a recent interview, I believe from last year,
02:21You talked about the importance of working your way up step by step through the youth categories, going through all the processes.
02:26I wanted to understand what the difference is, for example, between training a slightly lower category,
02:30Now that you're in the Under-20s, which is the gateway to a team like Palmeiras,
02:35who competes for all the titles here in Brazil.
02:37So, this is a good question because everyone who has worked with me,
02:42and all the people I work with, in terms of managers, coordinators, the process,
02:49It has always been my wish to be able to experience all stages of training.
02:55From the Under-9 level, in the initiation area, to the Under-20 level, a more competitive, high-performance area,
03:02something that comes a little closer to the professional department.
03:07And it was a request so that I could experience these stages, and so that I could learn and enjoy them.
03:12and to be able to differentiate what each generation, or rather, what each category,
03:17or each stage of training could teach me,
03:21and that I could learn and, subsequently, assist in the development of each category,
03:28of each stage of training.
03:30And that, for me, was very relevant, it was very significant.
03:32I had all this support from all the managers I worked with.
03:37so that I could experience those stages.
03:39And I always said that the time I would experience those periods,
03:44It would obviously depend on the context the club was experiencing.
03:47or whatever the manager, or the institution, could best assess.
03:54But that was the only request I made.
03:56And, with regard to the differentiation of each stage,
04:02We say that the emphases, the approaches to training, to development,
04:07They become different at each stage of training.
04:11The smaller the categories, the more relevant and meaningful our perspective needs to be.
04:17for individual development in relation to the game.
04:20And the higher the category, the more this balance reverses.
04:26We start to worry a little more about the collective emphasis, about playing.
04:30Obviously, without disrespecting or harming what constitutes individual development.
04:36But we adjust the scale according to age and these stages.
04:44Obviously, when we talk about youth categories, we're always going to look at the individual.
04:47We will always look at the player's development, both technically and tactically.
04:52so that he can perform at his best.
04:55or to move towards a more relevant performance in the professional department.
04:59But if I could differentiate today what an older category...
05:06Regarding a newer category, it's this perspective of differentiation between the game and the player.
05:13and the weight given to each category.
05:16If you could explain it to a Palmeiras fan, in a very clear and simple way,
05:23His playing style and some comparisons in world football.
05:26How would you describe your coaching style with Palmeiras' Under-20 team in detail?
05:32Today I am privileged, because of what we have as a game model,
05:40as a game concept, obviously respecting cultural identity,
05:44that which is non-negotiable for the institution,
05:48And this is where we are living today at Palmeiras.
05:50It comes very close to what we have as an idea, as a model.
05:54and what the institution considers non-negotiable.
05:56Today we have, if not the main reference,
06:01one of the main references, not on a global level,
06:04but also, obviously, at the national level, which is our coach Abel Ferreira,
06:07for everything you've been doing, for everything you've been achieving at a professional level,
06:13and also for all the help that is given to young players,
06:17Today he ends up being a reference for us.
06:19And the game model is very similar, in that respect,
06:22to a balanced team that attacks very aggressively,
06:26who is constantly looking for a goal, obviously respecting all opponents,
06:30but that's what constitutes identity, that's non-negotiable,
06:33but which also has significant respect for the defensive phase,
06:37He understands that the defensive phase is also non-negotiable for the player.
06:41so that he can, increasingly, become a modern player,
06:45with regard to the phases of the game.
06:47So, if I could summarize, it's what we have in terms of game balance.
06:53Always look for the goal, be aggressive with the ball,
06:55to be competent with the ball, fast and accurate,
06:58But, obviously, being balanced in the phases of the game,
07:02with regard to losing the ball, stealing the ball,
07:04And not having the ball is also very significant for the development of our players.
07:09And about that work with the Under-20s,
07:11I wanted to understand if there was any kind of request from the base coordinator.
07:15that is JP Sampaio, in terms of playing style,
07:17If you've also had a conversation with Bel Ferreira,
07:20How was your arrival at Palmeiras?
07:21Were there any specific requests regarding the transition of athletes?
07:24How did it go?
07:25Yes, we did have a conversation, not just Alan,
07:28but all the coaches here at the base,
07:30with the technical committee of the professional department,
07:33and, in addition, the daily integration every day,
07:36because we're always close by here,
07:38with regard to Under-20 players as professionals,
07:40This part about always being close by every day is here.
07:47So, in addition to all of that,
07:49There is never a specific way to play that is requested.
07:53Or play like the professional team.
07:57On the contrary, there are concepts, there are behaviors.
08:01which are non-negotiable for the institution
08:03or for the player who performs at the institution,
08:06that which is non-negotiable in one's identity.
08:08training young players.
08:11We all have to respect each other, coaches.
08:14We are very well-intentioned as a game model,
08:17while the idea of a game,
08:18which is trying to achieve the highest level of performance,
08:21of performance, which brings us closer to a good education.
08:24and of victories, but without harming what constitutes identity.
08:28The club's identity is defined by its aggressive players.
08:31competitive players, hungry for victory,
08:33with a very winning mentality,
08:35at the cost of deserving them,
08:37at the cost of having a healthy upbringing in that regard,
08:42but that they seek victories,
08:44that they are committed players,
08:45Winning players, competitive players.
08:48That's what the professional department asks of us.
08:51That's what João Paulo is asking of us.
08:53but that represents the institution at the highest level.
08:57And we understand that this behavioral content...
09:01Non-negotiable items are what they will represent.
09:04Palmeiras at the highest level.
09:06You've only been here a short time,
09:07But you've already faced Palmeiras quite a few times,
09:09I wanted to understand why the youth academy was so successful.
09:12Because here at Palmeiras they combine two things,
09:14which is the training of athletes and the winning of titles,
09:17something quite different from other Brazilian clubs,
09:21Why is this happening here?
09:23As I said before,
09:24all the coaches, the female coaches,
09:28all the people who work with football
09:30They are all very well-intentioned.
09:32to the point of wanting to develop a player in their essence,
09:37in what it does best in terms of performance,
09:40but also that he seeks titles and seeks victories.
09:43We know that having this connection and understanding this balance...
09:47so that it has relevance in both aspects and that no content is torn apart in that regard.
09:58It's very difficult to balance that scale properly.
10:01Palmeiras has been doing this for a long time.
10:04that in addition to developing good players, in addition to developing competitive players,
10:09There is this system of training winning players,
10:12Players who, wherever they go in their respective categories, manage to perform at the highest level.
10:17but also to be winners in terms of winning titles and championships.
10:23And that, in my opinion, is an extremely successful training program.
10:29because it combines these two factors, resulting in a good education with regard to content,
10:34but also that which comes at the cost of deserving victories, deserving competitions, titles, and so on.
10:40And this is a process involving many hands, many people.
10:48It has been under development for many years,
10:50obviously, in the youth category with João Paulo,
10:53taking the lead with regard to the processes,
10:56to daily training, to daily games, to athlete recruitment.
11:02I think all departments of the club have clarity today.
11:06as per the club's mission, vision and values.
11:09And that, obviously, brings you closer to success.
11:12And we understand that success comes from good players.
11:15performing at a professional level and with a winning mentality
11:18who constantly seeks victories at the cost of deserving them.
11:22You are part of a process that, in addition to being essential for Palmeiras,
11:26He is very popular with the fans.
11:28This transition from the Under-20s is the final stage in the youth system.
11:31for the professional.
11:32I wanted to understand the main challenges.
11:34and also how some players are treated,
11:36because at the same time you have some athletes who are 16 or 17 years old
11:39playing in the Under-20 category, sometimes even in the Under-17 category,
11:42These same players are already receiving astronomical offers from European football clubs.
11:45How does this deal work?
11:47Regarding the pressure from clubs abroad,
11:49How much does this transition process involve for Abel Ferreira's team?
11:53The Under-20 process, not only at Palmeiras,
11:55but the whole process in the clubs,
11:59It is a challenge as a bottleneck in training.
12:01so that we can minimize this.
12:03and lose a smaller number of young players
12:08for the performance of the professional department.
12:10What I usually say is that each athlete has their own time.
12:13There will be 16-year-old athletes, there will be 20-year-old athletes,
12:18There will be 18-year-old athletes.
12:20And we have to understand that each athlete has different needs.
12:24It has different virtues and different timelines.
12:27Obviously, that's what the professional department has.
12:30as a need, as an assessment,
12:33will always be in conversation with us,
12:35so that we can get closer.
12:37for a smoother and more relevant transition for the player.
12:42And, obviously, for the club as well.
12:43We understand that the athlete,
12:47while achieving a significant number of performances
12:51or achieve positive performance in games and training,
12:57compared for that generation,
12:59for that year, for that synergy of players,
13:03Obviously, we understand that the athlete is ready.
13:06for a future challenge.
13:08But then we also need to understand the moment.
13:09that the professional experiences,
13:10so that we can, once again,
13:13To allow for a smoother process during this transition.
13:16It's always a challenge,
13:18but Palmeiras has been around for a long time
13:19He has been doing this in a very positive way.
13:22very relevant.
13:24Without a doubt, this is the top team today.
13:27which players have been performing
13:30high level,
13:32resulting in significant income.
13:34And we're only here to collaborate with a process.
13:38which has already been done very well,
13:39so that we can also help.
13:42in this development,
13:43but with the main objective,
13:45which is to leave a significant process,
13:48fluid and respecting the stage and the moment
13:51of each player,
13:51Because they are different.
13:52We need to understand this in the best way possible.
13:54And about the transition process
13:56between the youth academy and the professional team,
13:58How do you experience this process?
14:02If you suggest some players,
14:04Does the coaching staff send any requests?
14:05by Abel Ferreira,
14:06How come JP Sampaio is also participating?
14:08of this process?
14:10How does this work...
14:11We are familiar with Palmeiras' mirror training sessions.
14:13Only a lot of professionals come,
14:15but many of these names don't stick
14:17in daily training sessions.
14:18How does this work internally?
14:20Here at Palmeiras, we know that João
14:23It is a representative figure.
14:27with regard to basic education
14:29And he is constantly, daily
14:34integrated into this process,
14:35discussing with all the coaches
14:37from the training stage,
14:39so that we can understand
14:41the best scenario for each athlete,
14:43but also, in addition to training,
14:45João is present at all the games.
14:47And in light of that, we also have Castanheira,
14:50who is an assistant of Abel here,
14:52that in addition to Abel and his committee,
14:54Castanheira is directly responsible.
14:55by carrying out this integration process
14:59between under-20 and professional levels.
15:01So we have qualified people.
15:03and geared towards having
15:05improved fluidity with regard to
15:07to inform these players,
15:09not only in training, but also in games,
15:11so that this athlete, in addition to playing time,
15:13Beyond daily development,
15:15so that we can understand
15:16the best fluid moment
15:17so that he can perform
15:18at a professional level.
15:19Palmeiras has one of the main
15:21youth categories in world football.
15:23I wanted to understand why this was happening.
15:25We are experiencing a certain scenario here in Brazil.
15:26which is difficult to compete with financially
15:29with clubs from Europe, the United States,
15:30due to currency exchange issues.
15:33We also have many headquarters.
15:34from Saudi Arabian football,
15:36from the Middle East.
15:37The reason why Palmeiras,
15:38within the South American context,
15:40to be such a strong reference
15:41At the level of exports to world football?
15:44People and processes.
15:46Well-defined processes,
15:48very clear,
15:50with mission, vision and values
15:52fully structured for a long time.
15:55And highly qualified people.
15:58in their respective areas,
16:00whether it's the technical area of the field,
16:02whether it's the catchment area,
16:03whether it's the administrative area,
16:04be the market area.
16:05highly qualified people
16:08so that they can perform as well.
16:10at a technical level in its development,
16:13so that it can help Palmeiras.
16:14to become increasingly prominent
16:16with regard to development
16:17of young players
16:18and export, obviously.
16:20of young players.
16:21So, in a clear and objective way,
16:24highly qualified people
16:25and extremely structured processes.
16:27We've seen a recent movement.
16:29from Palmeiras now
16:30prospecting players
16:31from outside the country.
16:32We saw Conec arrive,
16:33which was related to professional games,
16:35Miguel came along later.
16:37How does this process work?
16:38Palmeiras scout
16:40worldwide
16:41For the youth team players?
16:42What if you could give
16:43some other details
16:45of the Palmeiras process
16:46in the long term for the Under-20s,
16:48What other news?
16:49What is Palmeiras trying to implement?
16:52Palmeiras likes good athletes.
16:56athletes with potential,
16:58just like all the clubs.
17:00But Palmeiras won't stay.
17:03related to the athlete's nationality.
17:06He will look for players with potential.
17:08whether it is in any country,
17:11so that it can help,
17:12obviously, the professional department
17:14in its essence.
17:17And that's what we want.
17:19Like I said,
17:20very well-defined processes.
17:22And when we talk about processes,
17:24the marketing department,
17:25the fundraising department,
17:26It has its clarity.
17:27as a process,
17:29with extremely effective people
17:30and qualified,
17:31so that they can be assertive.
17:34with regard to
17:35to recruiting young players.
17:36We are here, ready and prepared.
17:38to assist in this development
17:40and, as I said,
17:41main mission,
17:43assist in development
17:44of these players who arrive
17:45so that they can
17:46reach a satisfactory level
17:48performance
17:49in the professional department.
17:50And speaking now a little bit
17:51about basic training
17:52in Brazilian football,
17:54we have Palmeiras
17:55as a reference,
17:56mainly,
17:57about athlete transition
17:58and professional use.
18:00How do you rate it?
18:01this scenario outside of Palmeiras,
18:03in Brazil's youth categories,
18:05what if you could give
18:06Any thoughts?
18:08you could propose
18:10something like that,
18:11to change this scenario,
18:12What do you think?
18:13that the other clubs also
18:14they could be doing
18:16with the training process
18:17of athletes
18:17so that we can have more and more
18:19players trained at the clubs
18:20acting on them,
18:21In the professional field?
18:22I think from experiences
18:25that I had,
18:25I can only collaborate.
18:28in that regard
18:29where I experienced
18:31In practice, right?
18:32I think all the clubs,
18:33they have,
18:34as an intention,
18:37a mission to have
18:39a fluid transition
18:40and first do
18:43with what these players
18:45perform in their teams
18:48At a professional level, right?
18:49I think that every fan,
18:51all clubs
18:52They aspire to it and have that intention.
18:54very clear
18:55to count on the young players
18:57At a professional level, right?
18:58I think it's a job.
18:59of many people
19:00which are becoming
19:01increasingly rewarding
19:02for the club,
19:04for the coach
19:04that is in the professional field,
19:05for people
19:06who work in youth categories,
19:07I think this is a moment.
19:09successful
19:09For people, right?
19:11Who work there.
19:12Palmeiras has,
19:15like I said,
19:16It has very clear processes.
19:17And it has that advantage too.
19:18of having a coach,
19:20a technical committee
19:21who constantly looks
19:24for the process
19:25youth category
19:26It's a club that believes a lot.
19:28in this process
19:29transition of these players
19:30and assistance
19:31of these players
19:31In the professional field.
19:32And the weather is
19:34at the head of the professional club
19:36This also helps.
19:37In a more fluid way, right?
19:39So that you can minimize the error.
19:42with regard to
19:43to the transition.
19:44So, our coach
19:46because it's been there for too long
19:47ahead of the professional
19:49it helps us
19:50while clarity
19:51of what you aspire to,
19:52about what you want
19:53and of what the club has
19:55as a mission
19:56with its young players.
19:57Elsewhere,
19:59I think the only difficulty
20:01that we had
20:02It's when I was switching.
20:03the professional coach,
20:05changed the coaching staff.
20:06of the professional
20:07and sometimes that changed
20:09a little bit
20:11thought
20:12in fluidity
20:14of the transition
20:15of these players
20:16for the professional.
20:17The moment,
20:18as
20:19and by which route
20:21and this is happening more and more
20:23who was changing the coach
20:24it ended
20:26changing slightly,
20:28changing it a little
20:29this route
20:29in transition
20:31for the professional.
20:32But, again,
20:33all clubs
20:34with an intention
20:34very clear
20:36and very significant
20:37to count on these players
20:38in the professional department.
20:39Here, in addition to all that,
20:42the time that our coach
20:43and the technical committee
20:44It's in the professional department.
20:46helps in a way
20:47lighter,
20:47more fluid
20:48and more significant.
20:50And how do you do it?
20:52to identify
20:52An extracurricular activity?
20:53How does this process work?
20:54Here at Palmeiras
20:55we have some examples
20:56They're a little different too.
20:57We had Estevam.
20:58and Hendrick
20:59rising very young
21:00and gaining prominence,
21:01while Alan,
21:02for example,
21:03who was professional,
21:04He was a guy who blew up.
21:04a little later.
21:06How does this process work?
21:06to identify
21:07And what are the responsibilities?
21:09to treat
21:10with players
21:11so young
21:11and with...
21:13aiming for an opportunity
21:14unique career
21:15Like a football player?
21:16It's like I said, right?
21:17Every player has their own time.
21:19Every player has their moment.
21:21They have different virtues.
21:22And they have different needs.
21:24There are players who can
21:26achieve those contents
21:27who disrespect
21:28the role he will perform
21:30and also the position
21:31that he is
21:31in your category.
21:34And when we understand
21:35that he has already achieved
21:36a level of performance
21:37significant,
21:38again,
21:38with regard to
21:39his function and position,
21:41It's a way of...
21:42and it's a moment
21:43to generate new daily challenges
21:46so that he can overcome them.
21:47while contents
21:49for that function.
21:50So we understand.
21:50when that athlete
21:51reached
21:53this maturity
21:54technique,
21:55tactics,
21:55physical
21:56and emotional
21:57for the function
21:58which he will exercise,
22:00obviously,
22:00the moment arrives
22:01or to move up a category,
22:03right?
22:04Or, obviously,
22:05to talk
22:05with the professional department,
22:07with John Paul,
22:07so that we can understand
22:09the level of challenge
22:10that can be generated
22:11for him later
22:12and when it arrives
22:13in the under-20 category,
22:14the next challenge,
22:15obviously,
22:15It's the professional department.
22:16But, again,
22:17Each athlete in their own time.
22:19I didn't work here.
22:20Not directly with Henrique either.
22:21Not even with Estevam,
22:22I faced both of them,
22:23Both of them, right?
22:24I faced Henrique.
22:25during the time I was at Grêmio,
22:27I faced Estevam
22:28during the São Paulo era
22:29and both players,
22:32We had confronted them.
22:34very clearly,
22:36that they had already overcome
22:38those challenges
22:40in a way
22:41very relevant,
22:42very significant,
22:43without using much energy.
22:45So, we already understood.
22:46that they already were
22:47ready for the next challenge
22:49with regard to
22:50to a higher category,
22:52where will it take up less of their time?
22:54It will reduce the field space.
22:55And this creates challenges.
22:57both cognitive
22:58how many technicians
22:58so that they can
23:00solve those problems
23:01that the game will present
23:02For them, right?
23:03And that's what we're looking for.
23:05pass by here
23:06and understand here
23:07as a process
23:08so that we can
23:09always be in communication
23:10and again,
23:12respecting each player
23:13because every athlete
23:14There are different moments.
23:16and different needs.
23:17They are talking about a challenge,
23:18we have this challenge
23:19career transition,
23:20but there is also another scenario
23:21which is the reverse
23:22of some players
23:23who are already participating
23:24from Abel Ferreira's training sessions,
23:25being related
23:26for the games
23:26and that sometimes
23:27They're going back to the Under-20s.
23:28How does this process work?
23:30to deal with the players
23:31that once were
23:32in the main spotlight
23:34of national football
23:34Returning to the Under-20s?
23:36We had the example.
23:36of Riquelme,
23:37Benedetti played
23:38in your classification
23:40in the semi-final.
23:41How does that touch work?
23:42with the players
23:42And also, how is it?
23:43for those who were already
23:44in the Under-20s
23:45in that sense of
23:47Hey, do you think anyone's going to come down?
23:48And take my place?
23:50This guy is already going in.
23:50with a captive position
23:52In the Under-20 team?
23:53How does this work?
23:54for you?
23:54That's also clarity.
23:56As a process, right?
23:57When the athlete
23:57He goes up to the Department.
23:59Professional,
24:00It's very clear to him.
24:02why is he going up
24:03for the Professional Department
24:04And it's very clear to him as well.
24:06when he goes down
24:07to help us
24:09in the Under-20s
24:11understanding
24:12that this is not just
24:14while playing,
24:16it is while developing it
24:18with regard to
24:20to the minute
24:20and development
24:22individual and collective
24:23with the game,
24:24because sometimes
24:24He won't be able to.
24:27arrive and already
24:27perform in the Department
24:29Professional,
24:29we can't either
24:30leave him with a minute
24:32very low
24:33with regard to
24:33to its development
24:34as a whole.
24:36So, that's it.
24:37like I said,
24:37It is clarity as a process.
24:39I think it's a merit.
24:41of the people who are here
24:42and of the people who were here
24:44with regard to
24:45to the training process,
24:46because when it goes up
24:47Under-20
24:48has that clarity
24:49why is it going up?
24:50and when it goes down
24:51It also has clarity.
24:52why is it going down?
24:53and we
24:55all the time
24:56that I am here
24:56from experiences
24:57that I had
24:58of these athletes
24:58who went down,
24:59they went down
25:00at the highest level
25:03not only technical,
25:04physical,
25:05but also emotional
25:05so that it can
25:07to help us,
25:09obviously,
25:10in the game,
25:10in development
25:11of the game,
25:12but with clarity
25:14while in its development
25:16how much of that
25:16It will be relevant.
25:17and important to him
25:18and they face
25:20all like
25:20a new opportunity
25:22to always be
25:23developing,
25:24But as I said,
25:25when the club
25:25It has a clarity.
25:26process
25:27That's not a problem.
25:27on the contrary,
25:28This is a benefit.
25:29for all of us.
25:30Do you think that
25:30the formation process
25:32of athletes
25:32here in Brazilian football
25:33is the main culprit
25:35by this act
25:35of titles
25:36World Cup?
25:38No,
25:39I don't think so,
25:40I think here
25:41we have excellent
25:42professionals working
25:43in youth category
25:44and we have
25:45excellent players
25:47in youth category
25:48We have excellent teams.
25:50with a process
25:52very clear,
25:54very significant
25:55in its stages
25:57training
25:58so that you can have
25:59a healthy flow
26:01in transition
26:01of these players,
26:04I think we have
26:04excellent talents as well,
26:06I think it's a question.
26:07of time,
26:08and obviously
26:10having clarity
26:11that which we
26:12you are observing now,
26:14with clarity
26:16significant
26:17as a process
26:18in basic training,
26:19to join a new committee
26:21now also
26:21in the Under-20s,
26:22a committee
26:22very experienced,
26:25I think that
26:26with that clarity
26:28things
26:29they are flowing
26:30in a way
26:30healthy
26:31and without a doubt
26:33following this path,
26:35following this route
26:36clearly
26:36independent
26:37of whoever gets there
26:38to work,
26:39independent
26:39whoever takes over management,
26:41when there is clarity,
26:43I think
26:44approaching
26:45very
26:46of victories,
26:48and I'm not talking
26:48of victories
26:49only with regard to
26:50to the final product
26:51of the game,
26:52but yes
26:52a training
26:53healthy,
26:54adequate
26:55so that this athlete
26:56that enters
26:57in a process
26:58youth category,
26:59then enter
27:00in a process
27:00summons
27:01youth category
27:02and obviously
27:04performs
27:04in the Brazilian national team
27:05at a professional level,
27:07that which we
27:08See now
27:09in Spain,
27:11large part
27:12from the team
27:13being formed
27:14already in the categories
27:15basic
27:16of the selection
27:17and performing
27:18at a professional level,
27:18I think it is
27:19a healthy case,
27:21that which everyone
27:22aspires
27:23as training,
27:24I think we
27:24is on a path
27:25very cool
27:26for that,
27:27again,
27:27with good schools
27:28training,
27:29with excellent talents,
27:30with good professionals
27:31and now
27:32with clarity
27:32while managing
27:33at CBF
27:35so that you can get closer
27:36more and more
27:36of success.
27:37We saw
27:38a recent movement
27:39of the players
27:39trained here in Brazil
27:41more and more
27:41going early
27:42for Europe,
27:43You see that.
27:44as something positive
27:45to the point of the players
27:47be ready
27:47to make this move
27:48or negative
27:49so that they don't have
27:50the opportunity
27:51to act
27:51in Brazilian football
27:52and who knows
27:53with more minutes
27:54to be able to develop
27:55on the field
27:56Football?
27:57I think the main thing
28:00objective
28:01it's the club
28:02to understand that
28:03that has
28:03as a mission,
28:04right?
28:05If the club
28:06he understands
28:06that while mission
28:07is auxiliary
28:08in development
28:09of the players
28:10so that they can
28:11perform
28:11at a professional level
28:14when you have
28:14this clarity
28:15mission
28:15I think
28:16independent
28:17regarding the financial issue
28:18the club
28:18will respect
28:19this mission,
28:20right?
28:20When
28:22sometimes
28:23there is no
28:23this clarity
28:24the athletes
28:25They end up not even performing.
28:27at a professional level
28:28has a
28:28a training
28:29excellent
28:30but they end up
28:31migrating now
28:32before performing
28:33at a professional level
28:34but also
28:34we need to understand
28:35the moment
28:35that the department
28:36professional
28:37lives
28:37so that we
28:38can respect
28:39when an athlete
28:40goes up
28:41to the department
28:41Professional, right?
28:43There are moments
28:44that the team
28:45lives
28:45that remains
28:46more fluid
28:47the climb
28:49the process
28:49healthier
28:50and there are moments
28:51that has to protect
28:52these young players
28:53so that it doesn't
28:54have an exhibition
28:56That's relevant to them, right?
28:58And we understand
28:58each person's time
28:59I can speak
29:01while Palmeiras
29:01Palmeiras has
29:02clarity
29:03while training
29:05and as a mission
29:06which is auxiliary
29:08these players
29:09so that they can
29:10perform
29:10at a professional level
29:12The club
29:13has been receiving
29:14I think everyone
29:15includes
29:17proposal
29:18by young players
29:19but the club
29:20while he has this mission
29:21and ends up respecting
29:23this in a way
29:23very assertive
29:24We end up waiting.
29:26so that the athlete
29:26can perform
29:27at a professional level
29:28That's what the club
29:28it has clarity
29:29And you were saying
29:31about some players
29:31receive proposals
29:33how is it to treat
29:33with a young man
29:35in training
29:35with a teenager
29:36yet
29:37sometimes at school
29:39maturing
29:39as a person
29:40and at the same time
29:41worth millions
29:43attack
29:43in the main markets
29:45Europeans
29:46the main teams
29:46what are the main ones
29:47challenges of treating
29:48with this athlete
29:49the staff
29:50how much does it hinder
29:52how much does he help
29:52businessmen
29:53anyway
29:54how is it
29:54this system
29:55that surrounds
29:56these new jewels
29:57from Palmeiras
29:58for the staff
29:59he follows
30:00same thought
30:04I think that
30:04all the staff
30:05of the athlete
30:06has good intentions
30:07with the player
30:08provided that you respect
30:10the institution
30:11that which the institution
30:12also thinks
30:13while
30:14development
30:15your player
30:16we
30:17while
30:19trainer
30:20we try
30:21daily conversations
30:22with the athletes
30:23reassure
30:24pass it on to them
30:25this question of time
30:26understanding time
30:27that they are
30:28developing
30:29that which they are
30:29achieving performance
30:31and what we
30:31he aspires for them
30:32within its process
30:34again
30:35the players
30:35They are different.
30:36we need
30:37understand them
30:37in different ways
30:38and guide them
30:40in different ways
30:41respecting time
30:42of each one
30:43and with the help
30:44from other departments
30:45I think we
30:45There are departments here.
30:46who has this property
30:48significant
30:49to take care
30:50of this outer part
30:52leaving us
30:54to care
30:54beyond
30:55also
30:55of this outer part
30:57but exclusively
30:58from the inside
30:58from the field
30:59also has family
31:01that helps us
31:02and it helps us a lot
31:02in that regard
31:03in terms of acceptance
31:05to Palmeiras
31:06we know
31:07that you
31:08received up to
31:09some surveys
31:10to make the transition
31:12professional
31:12why
31:13of you accepting
31:14Palmeiras
31:14what were the main ones
31:15topics
31:16that you took
31:17into consideration
31:18and how do you
31:18long-term perspective
31:19your career
31:20Do you believe?
31:21that at Palmeiras
31:22you will still have
31:22more experience
31:23for those who know
31:24to make this transition
31:24after
31:25that it
31:25take into consideration
31:26and what do you
31:27lesson strip
31:28this change
31:29Here to the academy
31:30football
31:30my life
31:32for Palmeiras
31:32She is very clear.
31:33I said exactly
31:34This is for John Paul.
31:37leading role
31:41performance
31:43process
31:43and development
31:45I think that
31:45Palmeiras summarizes
31:46today
31:47and I came to get
31:49drink from this source
31:50of these teachings
31:51why
31:52why a club
31:52for a long time
31:54not only at a professional level
31:55but at a basic level
31:57why this club
31:59a long time ago
32:00is the protagonist
32:01why this club
32:02a long time ago
32:04develops
32:05in addition to being good players
32:06excellent professionals
32:07and I came
32:09to seek this learning
32:11I came to seek this teaching.
32:12and working with people
32:13trained
32:14reference people
32:17in football
32:18John Paul
32:19is one of those people
32:20and previously
32:22to accept
32:23I already said
32:24for him
32:24in a conversation
32:25informal
32:26that I didn't want
32:27pass still
32:28put
32:30no department
32:31professional
32:31unable to work
32:32with him even before
32:33that
32:35I spoke
32:36a long time
32:37back
32:37for him
32:38before
32:38come here
32:39And I succeeded.
32:41to make this dream come true
32:42I'm making this dream come true.
32:44what is work
32:44with
32:45qualified people
32:46with reference people
32:48with a club
32:49extremely
32:51organized
32:52structured
32:53and that seeks the best
32:54for its professionals
32:55but also the best
32:56for its players
32:58while
32:59to time
33:01to go to the department
33:02professional
33:02I've always said that.
33:03in previous interviews
33:05I'm in no hurry.
33:06for this to happen
33:06I like to enjoy myself.
33:08the moment
33:09the moment
33:10It's very clear to me.
33:11is auxiliary
33:12in young players
33:13to the department
33:14professional
33:15and drinking from the source
33:17of the processes
33:17that Palmeiras
33:18can you offer me
33:19while development
33:20of the professional
33:21Alan
33:21So that's it.
33:22that I came to get
33:22here today
33:23and about
33:24bringing it to the end
33:25Let's have our chat
33:26this process
33:28transition
33:28of the under-20s
33:29professional
33:30I believe it is
33:30one of the moments
33:31more special
33:31for the players
33:32we saw
33:33Edu Conceição
33:34receiving the first
33:35opportunity
33:35this year
33:36we saw
33:37Luiz Pacheco
33:38having the first
33:38ownership
33:39now Miguel
33:40returning
33:40how is it
33:41this talk
33:43that you have
33:43with the players
33:44to count
33:45for them
33:46who knows
33:46that they will go up
33:47what type is that?
33:48return
33:49and what the commission
33:49by Abel Ferreira
33:50I'm waiting for you
33:52in this process
33:52specific
33:53that we
33:55like I said
33:55previously
33:56when the club
33:57How much does it have?
33:58clarity
33:58process
33:59not only Alan
34:01the figure
34:01as a coach
34:02but also people
34:03in their departments
34:05qualified
34:06for that
34:07conversation
34:08and beyond that
34:09we have John Paul
34:10which is one of ours
34:10coordinators
34:11that has this
34:12this conversation
34:13daily
34:14with the athletes
34:15and we
34:16search
34:17always guide them
34:18in the best way
34:18possible
34:19so that it can
34:19do your best
34:20there with great courage
34:22but respecting
34:23all people
34:24that are there
34:25including
34:26It's one of the requests.
34:26from Abel
34:27for us
34:27so that the athlete
34:29he
34:31arrive at the department
34:32professional
34:32with good behavior
34:34and when we talk
34:35good behavior
34:36not only in what
34:37it concerns the game
34:38but with regard
34:39the person
34:40the citizen himself
34:41for society
34:42that which we
34:43seeks to guide them
34:44in a way
34:45very healthy
34:47And it's happening again.
34:48when the club
34:49is clear
34:50how much
34:51development
34:52transition
34:53when he gets there
34:53he arrives
34:55with a mindset
34:56extremely successful
34:58but obviously
34:58a mindset
34:59very willing
35:01to learning
35:02when learning
35:02and enjoy
35:03the moment
35:03that they are living
35:04and when it goes down
35:05here
35:05also with clarity
35:07that
35:08It will be necessary
35:09for its development
35:11so that he can
35:12help the team
35:14and if it helps
35:15as content
35:16while developing
35:18of your playing
35:19and Abel
35:20your commission
35:21It's very clear.
35:23in its development
35:25of young players
35:27when they do
35:28this transition
35:28That's why.
35:29that each player
35:30It's going up.
35:31for what moment
35:32It's going up.
35:33and the right moment
35:34to perform
35:37this player
35:37or to give opportunity
35:38for that player
35:39so that he can
35:40integrate the department
35:41professional
35:42Palmeiras
35:43several years
35:44it's the club
35:45with more players
35:46ceded
35:46for the categories
35:47basic
35:47of the Brazilian national team
35:48is there some kind
35:49contact
35:50from the CBF
35:51with you
35:51inside
35:53And you believe
35:54that Palmeiras
35:54today is the main
35:55reference
35:56training
35:56both for the CBF
35:58how much for football
35:59Brazilian?
36:01Regarding
36:02the CBF
36:03now with the commission
36:04technique
36:05then I can answer.
36:06related to the under-20s
36:07a technical committee
36:10who worked here
36:11both the coach
36:13how much the assistant
36:15They worked here
36:16but since when
36:18I was at the other club.
36:19them too
36:20they got in touch
36:21daily
36:22with us
36:23to know
36:24the moment
36:24who are living
36:25the athletes
36:26where are they
36:27going
36:28how are they
36:29performing
36:29daily
36:30in training
36:31and functions
36:32exercised
36:33of these players
36:34in each context
36:35training
36:36or game
36:37and beyond that
36:38It's a technical committee.
36:39that constantly
36:40goes to games
36:41and accompanies
36:42the games
36:42they divide things up well
36:44they get in touch
36:45with all areas
36:46of the club
36:46so that they can
36:47search for information
36:49relevant
36:49significant
36:50for a period
36:52summons
36:52I think that's it.
36:53It is exemplary.
36:55from the committee
36:56of the under-20s
36:57And this happens
36:58here too
36:58at Palmeiras
36:59this conversation
37:00daily
37:01to seek to understand
37:02the moment
37:03of each athlete
37:05and the second question
37:06with regard to
37:08on
37:08how
37:10Do you think Palmeiras
37:11it is the main reference
37:12for the CBF
37:13without a doubt
37:13without a doubt
37:14one of
37:15like I said
37:16we have excellent
37:17training schools
37:18in the country
37:18but Palmeiras
37:20for a long time
37:21being the protagonist
37:22again
37:22because of clarity
37:23as a process
37:24while people
37:25and when we talk
37:26process and people
37:28also enters
37:29the department
37:29fundraising
37:30and this helps us
37:32so that we
37:33have good players
37:34and be able to develop
37:36and update
37:36these good players
37:37constantly
37:38in training
37:39and in the games
37:40so without a doubt
37:42today Palmeiras
37:42not today
37:43It's been going on for quite some time.
37:44being a reference
37:45not only for the selection
37:47but on a global level
37:48with regard to
37:49the training
37:49of young players
37:50and about the process
37:51training
37:52I wanted to understand you.
37:53Which one do you think?
37:54which is the main challenge
37:55in that
37:55and it is bringing
37:56for a scenario
37:56a little more specific
37:58we are seeing
37:59a renovation
37:59very large
38:00of attackers
38:01mainly from the side
38:01field
38:02Brazilian football
38:03in some other sectors
38:04we don't have
38:05a renovation
38:05so continuous
38:06like the sides
38:07even the defensive system
38:09Do you think football...
38:10Brazilian today
38:11he is training
38:13maybe wrong
38:13the players
38:14focusing more
38:15in an area
38:15than in the other
38:16and understand what it is
38:17the challenge
38:17It's easier
38:20you have a player
38:20and propose to him
38:21let it be the tip
38:22than lateral
38:23in terms of protagonism
38:24How does this process work?
38:26I think that we
38:27It's not forming it incorrectly.
38:27no
38:28on the contrary
38:28I said earlier
38:30that we have
38:31excellent schools
38:32training
38:32with excellent
38:33coaches
38:34and skilled people
38:36to develop
38:37your player
38:37when the club
38:38is clear
38:39while
38:40or coach
38:42clarity while
38:43feature
38:44your player
38:45that is there
38:46It will make things easier.
38:48with regard to
38:49the structure
38:49of a team
38:50and space
38:51that this player
38:52will perform
38:53in a game
38:54this space
38:55that the player
38:55will perform
38:56in a game
38:57he has to be
38:57respected
38:58the characteristic
38:59that he has
39:00so that he can
39:01receive the ball
39:02in that space
39:03with a frequency
39:04bigger
39:04and executing
39:06your best
39:07feature
39:08for the resolution
39:09that problem
39:10when we
39:11talking about the flanks
39:12when we
39:12talking about tips
39:13for a long time
39:14we saw
39:15sides
39:16across the width of the field
39:17using depth
39:18confrontations
39:19duels
39:20for a good while
39:21we passed
39:21to see sides
39:22more shipowners
39:23sides
39:24more internal
39:25with points
39:27going to space
39:28more strength
39:29duel
39:29speed
39:30now we
39:31You see?
39:31more and more
39:32the tips
39:32coming inside
39:33into space
39:34shorter
39:34frame
39:36returning to the sides
39:37for the width
39:37more and more
39:38leaving this figure
39:39of a center forward
39:40now going back
39:41two more center forwards
39:42so we all
39:43You'll understand.
39:44tendencies
39:45But that's okay.
39:47as for that
39:47but we need
39:48understand and respect
39:49and to have clarity
39:50as a characteristic
39:51if I have
39:52tips
39:53speed
39:54I need
39:55put them
39:56across the width of the field
39:56if I have
39:57sides
39:59shipowners
39:59that has characteristics
40:01main
40:02the pass
40:03I need
40:04put them
40:04inside
40:05from the field
40:05but if I have
40:06sides
40:07of confrontations
40:08duel
40:08speed
40:09I need
40:09put them
40:10for width
40:10what if I have
40:11tips
40:11more shipowners
40:13more standing
40:13I need
40:14bring them
40:14inside
40:14then independent
40:15of the structure
40:16that I go
40:16to place
40:17I need to understand
40:18the characteristic
40:18main
40:19that I have
40:19of this player
40:20and put
40:21him in space
40:22more advantageous
40:22so that it can
40:23to appear
40:23with a frequency
40:24bigger
40:24the characteristic
40:26for the solution
40:26of the problem
40:27which will present
40:27for him
40:28then
40:30I see that.
40:31I see
40:31this clarity
40:32while
40:33coaches
40:33development
40:34of players
40:35in their teams
40:36and I think
40:37that we
40:37is on a path
40:37very healthy
40:38very clear
40:39enhancing
40:40feature
40:40of a player
40:41you who work
40:42based
40:43you start
40:44to understand
40:45very good
40:46this training
40:46and evolution
40:47of the athletes
40:48thinking about the next person
40:49cycle
40:49of the Brazilian national team
40:51also in this next one
40:52Palmeiras cycle
40:53Until next time!
40:54World cup
40:54which players
40:55you see
40:56with potential
40:57from someone who knows
40:57put on the shirt
40:58of the Brazilian national team
40:59and then to finish
41:00with you too
41:01another question
41:02why the CBF
41:03removing so many professionals
41:05Palmeiras insiders
41:06and JP
41:06if a father
41:07continue here
41:09So, about the players...
41:11at the level
41:12Brazilian national team
41:14if I mention names
41:16here maybe
41:17I'm going to leave
41:17some names
41:19significant
41:20what are they looking for?
41:21backward performance
41:22perhaps that would be unfair
41:24in that regard
41:24But I can summarize.
41:26that we have
41:26excellent players
41:28in their generations
41:29from under-15
41:31which is the first
41:32call period
41:33for the selection
41:33passing 17
41:34under-20
41:35that we have
41:36excellent players
41:37excellent athletes
41:40that has been performing
41:41in your category
41:42and when we understand
41:43that these athletes
41:44are performing
41:44in your category
41:45are ready
41:47to live
41:47this challenge
41:48which is auxiliary
41:50in the department
41:52base selection
41:53then without a doubt
41:54we have here
41:55not only here
41:55but Brazil
41:56as a whole
41:57It has excellent professionals.
41:58and players
41:59that they will seek
42:00this performance
42:01at the level of the Brazilian national team
42:02obviously each one
42:03in its time
42:04and when we talk
42:06selection
42:07and why
42:08of many professionals
42:09from Palmeiras
42:10we just had
42:11Here's an analyst.
42:12our analyst
42:12of the under-20s
42:13was summoned
42:14for the selection
42:15again
42:16process and people
42:18excellent process
42:19empower people
42:20qualified people
42:22They become increasingly powerful.
42:23plus the processes
42:24and when you have
42:26This is very fluid.
42:28and Palmeiras
42:29that
42:29these people
42:30They are approaching.
42:31of success
42:33obviously
42:33in what they are
42:34living today
42:35and we have
42:36here at Palmeiras
42:36that
42:38we always
42:39usually says
42:40which is a dream
42:41for everyone
42:42the selection process
42:43basic
42:44each one has
42:44your time
42:45and we
42:46enjoy
42:47and enjoy
42:48very
42:48along with those
42:49that are
42:50going
42:51that are being
42:52summoned
42:52who are migrating
42:54for the process
42:54base selection
42:55but again
42:56when you have
42:56process clarity
42:57of people
42:58is approaching
43:00of this success
43:00which is a summons
43:01or that is
43:04one trip
43:04for the selection
43:05basic
43:06And what about John?
43:07I think John
43:08also has
43:09how clear
43:10what
43:10it has in its
43:12training
43:13professional
43:14what is
43:15assist Palmeiras
43:16and help
43:17the professionals
43:18who work
43:18here in the category
43:19basic
43:19assist the players
43:21in the best way
43:22possible
43:23and doing
43:23with prominence
43:25and successfully
43:26that which he
43:26has been doing
43:27for years
43:27what is
43:28beyond
43:29to form
43:30players
43:30winners
43:31professionals
43:32winners
43:32who work
43:33with him
43:33a transition
43:35healthy
43:36fluid
43:36adequate
43:37and correct
43:38of its players
43:39for the professional
43:40now to finish up
43:41teacher
43:41we have
43:43these processes
43:44very clear
43:45that you brought
43:46all of this committee
43:47Palmeiras' coach
43:48both from the professional
43:49how much of the coordination
43:50basic
43:51a long time ago
43:52apart from that
43:53why a player
43:53choose Palmeiras
43:55and a second
43:56ask also
43:57Do you believe?
43:58that this process
43:58from Palmeiras
43:59it is
43:59rooted
44:00to the point
44:01of existing
44:02an exchange
44:02of professionals
44:03both of Abel
44:04how much of the coordination
44:05basic
44:06so that this movement
44:07continue
44:07I think that
44:09And then I can
44:10answer for me
44:11I think that
44:12the choice
44:13of these athletes
44:15yet to come
44:15for Palmeiras
44:16I think it will
44:18very much in common
44:18of my choice
44:20we'll keep track
44:22for a long time
44:23a club
44:24extremely organized
44:26a club
44:26extremely structured
44:27a winning club
44:29for a long time
44:30and when a club
44:31is a winner
44:32for a long time
44:33You can be sure.
44:34who has clarity
44:35as a process
44:37and people
44:38extremely qualified
44:39then
44:40when a player
44:42realizes that it has
44:43process
44:44who has clarity
44:45which has good professionals
44:47which has good athletes
44:48This will develop him.
44:50more and more
44:50in your
44:51in its essence
44:52in your game
44:53as a person
44:55and that which I
44:57I went to get it too.
44:58while developing
44:59of the coach
44:59but of the person
45:00Alan too
45:01so I think
45:02Go ahead
45:03on the same route
45:04meeting
45:05why do people
45:06they choose
45:07so many athletes
45:08how many professionals
45:08they choose
45:09Palmeiras
45:11And the second one?
45:12It was about the question
45:13now also
45:14bringing another addendum
45:15like this
45:15why
45:17them choose
45:18Palmeiras
45:19do you think that
45:20this process
45:20nowadays
45:21He already is.
45:22above professionals
45:24involved
45:24to the point of him
45:25How can it perpetuate itself?
45:26I think so
45:27of course
45:28every professional
45:29and then we
45:30This needs to be made clear.
45:31every professional
45:32It has relevance.
45:33and has
45:34meaningful collaboration
45:35for this process
45:36every professional
45:37that is here
45:38professional who passes
45:39but again
45:40it is a
45:41clarity while
45:42institution
45:44that which there
45:45negotiating
45:46while training
45:47and that which is there
45:48negotiating
45:49as performance
45:50while developing
45:51each professional
45:52has its
45:53particularity
45:54each professional
45:56It will bring a benefit.
45:57new
45:58will help
45:59in the best way
46:00possible
46:00but the process
46:02as a whole
46:03he is very
46:03well fixed
46:04he is very
46:05well rooted
46:05to the point that we
46:07learn much more
46:08with the process
46:08more and more
46:09daily
46:10but also
46:11regardless of
46:12professional who is there
46:13the club is looking
46:15this fluidity
46:15while developing
46:16as performance
46:18in their sectors
46:19so that it can
46:20in the final product
46:21what is
46:22our
46:22as a base
46:23assistant
46:24in the department
46:24professional
46:25the professional
46:26while
46:26as a professional
46:29perform
46:30at the game level
46:30in terms of wins
46:32in terms of titles
46:33then
46:33this clarity
46:34I think that
46:35regardless of the professional
46:36That's already great.
46:37fixed
46:39by the institution
46:40to finish
46:41Palmeiras forms
46:42Palmeiras wins
46:43Palmeiras
46:44has the main assets
46:46of football
46:47from the youth categories
46:48from Brazil
46:48What is your challenge?
46:49now?
46:49what you see
46:50for this sequence
46:51What is your job like at Palmeiras?
46:52continue assisting
46:54in this fluidity
46:55and learning every day
46:57the reason for this
46:58I think it is
46:59the great relevance
47:00our professional
47:02enjoy
47:02learn
47:03but obviously
47:04always trying
47:05collaborate and assist
47:06in the best way possible
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