00:00Oo, ang liwalag sa definition ng joint circular.
00:03Mag-yes or no ka lang. Kanina ka pa, inaaway mo ko lagi.
00:07Sorry for your honor.
00:08But hindi po ako pwedeng mag-answer categorically since yun nga po yung provision.
00:12But it's categorical.
00:14You may proceed, ma'am. When you're ready, you have two minutes.
00:16Maraming salamat, ginoong Pangulong ko.
00:21Itutuloy ko lang yung tinatanong ko kanina
00:23dahil may nabanggit kayo ng presumption of misappropriation.
00:27Tama ba?
00:27For personal use.
00:30Based on the joint circular po, meron po.
00:32Oo, tama.
00:33Pakatapos nun, tinitingnan ko yung joint circular
00:37at maliwanag that the presumption for misappropriation
00:43arises against the accountable officer.
00:48Di ba?
00:49Against the accountable officer.
00:51Sino ang accountable officer?
00:53Maliwanag naman yung joint circular.
00:55Sa 3.1, sabi yung officer
00:57whose duties permit or require possession of government funds.
01:02Di ba?
01:03Based on the joint circular po, may ganyang provision.
01:05Oo.
01:06So yung SDO talaga, yung special disbursing officer
01:09has the possession, the custody.
01:11Tama.
01:11Yun, di ba?
01:12Yes, pa.
01:12O kung gano'n, if the presumption na personal use,
01:17ayon sa 8.3 ng joint circular,
01:20failure of the accountable officer to liquidate any public funds,
01:24is tantamount na nga to that presumption.
01:27Hindi po ba?
01:29Yes, ma'am.
01:29Yung tanong dito, sino ang accountable officer dito sa sitwasyon na to?
01:35Kasi ang liwa-liwanag na hindi naman si Vice President ang payee.
01:40Hindi naman sinasabi na nasa kanya yung pera.
01:44Ang liwanag sa inyong joint circular,
01:47that the special disbursing officer is the one who was designated by the head of agency
01:54to have custody.
01:55Di ba?
01:56And in the case of the OVP, si Acosta yun.
02:00In the case of DepEd, hindi ba si Faharda yun?
02:04That is not entirely correct po, Your Honor.
02:06Because under the joint circular,
02:08it shall be the responsibility of the head of the agency
02:11first to approve yung cash advance.
02:13Pangalawa, to oversee yung agency-wide utilization.
02:16Pangalawa, to ensure compliance with the joint circular.
02:19And also po, inattest din po ni OVP yung...
02:23Ang responsive po.
02:26Ang tinatanong ko lang,
02:27hindi ba yung designated, yung SDO, si Faharda lang at si Acosta,
02:33hindi si VP, hindi si yung payee.
02:36Ang liwa-liwana.
02:37Pero ang sinabi niyo po kanina, yung accountable officer.
02:39Kaya nga, so yung accountable officer,
02:42eh yung SDO, nasa JCD.
02:44Hindi lang po si SDO po yung accountable officer.
02:46Or, ang sabi doon, head of agency or person designated.
02:54Oo, ang liwanag sa definition ng joint circular.
02:57Mag yes or no ka lang.
02:59Kanina ka pa, inaaway mo ko lagi.
03:00Sorry po, Your Honor.
03:02But hindi po ako pwedeng mag-answer categorically,
03:05since yun nga po yung provision.
03:06But it's categorical.
03:07Na yes or...
03:08Why don't you go back to your joint circular?
03:10Yeah po.
03:11Kapag sinabi po kasing categorical, it's either yes po.
03:13Ang liwa-liwanag, SDO kapag na-designate ng head of office, di ba?
03:18But hindi po kasi doon na nalilimit lang yung term na accountable officer.
03:22Kasi may other provisions na applicable pa rin po
03:24with respect to the term accountable officer.
03:27Asan?
03:28Kasi napakaliwanag doon sa definitions
03:31at pakaliwanag sa 8.3 ng joint circular.
03:35Yun nga po yung na-mention ko kanina.
03:36Interpretation na ninyo yun.
03:38Pinapalawak ninyo na doon eh.
03:39Head of office, head of agency or designated.
03:43Hindi po, Your Honor.
03:45Kasi yun nga po, nakalagay po doon sa...
03:47Sabi mo kanina yes, ngayon no naman.
03:49Wala po ang sinabing yes po, Your Honor.
03:50Sinabi mo kanina eh, oo, SDO nga in charge.
03:54Sinabi ko lang po kung ano yung...
03:55Kino-firm ko lang po kung ano yung SDO po, Your Honor.
03:57Aton Iwamil, kindly avoid arguing with Senator Judge Marcos.
04:02Sige po.
04:03And kindly wind up, Senator Judge Marcos.
04:05Okay, okay. Pwede lang itanong kasi nalito ako kahapon.
04:08Kahapon sinabi mo na si VP Sara lang
04:11ang first and only vice president that you audited
04:14na may confidential funds.
04:16Sinabi mo yun, di ba?
04:17Yes po, Your Honor.
04:18Tapos kahapon, nung pinakita ng depensa,
04:22yung saro na si VP B9,
04:25noong 22 December 2014,
04:28may binigay na 6 million kay VP B9 ang DBM.
04:33Alin ba ang totoo sa dalawang sinabi mo magkatunggal eh?
04:38Yung pinakita po kapon ay
04:39special allotment release order po.
04:41So nagkakaroon po ng special allotment release order kapag merong...
04:44Alam po kung ano ang saro, matagal na.
04:46Tumanda na po kami sa gobyerno.
04:48Pero hindi po kasi yan ni-liquidate sa IKPAO.
04:50So we wouldn't know if it was useful or not.
04:52Ito ang, klaro, may katibayan na hindi ka isa-isang VP si VP Sara.
05:00Your Honor, since hindi po nagsubit ng liquidation,
05:03hindi rin po...
05:04Teka, nandun nga na sa IKPAO noong 2014, sabi mo, di ba?
05:08Yes po.
05:09O kaya nga,
05:10o di kahit si VP B9 may confidential funds,
05:15the only VP audited was VP Sara.
05:19Ganun ba yun?
05:20Since si VP Sara lang po yung nagsubit ng liquidation.
05:23At ba't hindi mo alam?
05:24If I may clarify po.
05:26Ba't hindi mo alam?
05:27Nandun ka na noong 2014.
05:28Dapat alam mo yun.
05:29If I may clarify po, Your Honor.
05:31Since wala pong budget dun sa JAS to confidential funds,
05:35at hindi naman po nag-liquidate si VP B9
05:37nung kanilang confidential funds,
05:39so hindi po namin alam kung ginamit
05:41at hindi na po nakarating sa COVA yung saro po.
05:44Hindi ang tanong, nabigyan ng confidential funds humingi
05:47at nabigyan, may saro eh.
05:50We wouldn't know if it is useful.
05:51Yan lang naman ang tanong eh.
05:52Of course you know, may saro.
05:53Sinabi mo nga, totoo yung sarong yun.
05:56Anyway, alin ang totoo?
05:58Si VP B9 o si VP Sara?
06:00Talaga bang totoo yung dalawa?
06:02O isa lang?
06:03We don't know.
06:04Based on our records po,
06:05si VP Sara lang po yung may liquidation.
06:07So maraming we don't know ang COVA?
06:09Ganun ba yun?
06:10Based on our records po,
06:11si VP Sara lang po yung nag-liquidate
06:13nung confidential funds.
06:14Eh may record nga ng saro.
06:16Maraming salamat.
06:16Thank you, Senator Judge Marcos.
06:20Chari.
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