00:01Hello and welcome. I'm Sonal Merotra Kapoor. This is 5 Live.
00:06On the program today, three stories that have caught our imagination and I'm sure it has yours as well.
00:12The Pellet Ganrao. What is this chronology that the Delhi government seems to be following?
00:18First, they disowned the story. Now they've owned the story.
00:21So we look at the timeline.
00:24What happened when? What statements were made when?
00:28And then ultimately, where are we now? That's story number one.
00:33Story number two. All your people, doom scrolling your way.
00:38Well, government has made an Insta push.
00:42They have asked ministers, cabinet ministers and several other BJP leaders to make a more conscious effort to be on
00:51Instagram.
00:52Because that's where Gen Z speaks. That's where Gen Z expresses.
00:56But how's that going? So much so, that in Parliament today, from micro clapping to all young BJP MPs speaking
01:06on the matter,
01:08the government is making a consolidated effort to say that they are young, they are relevant and they listen to
01:15Gen Z.
01:15Is that really cutting eyes with people? We'll try and decode that.
01:19And then there's story number three.
01:21It really broke my heart.
01:24When Irfan spoke, the nation cried.
01:28Right from his first interview to Lallantop to now,
01:31when he's got a V-line of politicians talking to him, we'll decode him.
01:36But first up, I'm cutting across to Parliament, where Priyanka Gandhi-Vadra is speaking.
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15:02That's what I see Joe
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25:00In this new committee, one ex-IB chief, one ex-IB chief, one IT company, and one government
25:15has a strong influence. What do you know about this?
25:30It's true. You are being angry with me today.
25:47Sir, the fast-track courts record is very bad before the fast-track courts is very bad.
25:52As far as, the CBI has not been delayed in the hearing of the CBI.
25:58If you want to win Gen Z, you won't be able to make a new video with a new angle,
26:08with a new video.
26:16Pradhan Pantri Ji, you won't have to change the angle of camera, but your heart will change.
26:21Pradhan Pantri Ji, you won't have to change the angle of camera, but you won't have to change.
26:36By going along with Shasana, this young girl is a poor and a bad person.
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33:26This is true, and the government has prepared it for short-term and long-term in short-term.
33:35What did we do right after the examination paper leak?
33:39Immediately, we took three steps.
33:42First, to ensure justice.
33:44The cases have changed.
33:46The CBI has changed.
33:47The people who were arrested on the whole country were arrested.
33:51This was to ensure justice.
33:53Second, we did it again.
33:55And we did it in a record time.
34:01Re-neet was conducted.
34:02This was the primary responsibility of the government, and we delivered on that.
34:07Second, and third and most important, Adhyakshi, was bringing in reforms to strengthen the NTA
34:14and make sure that the next NEET, whenever it happens, will not fail the students.
34:19Pradhan Mantri ji, this is why, take a big step.
34:22One, we have declared that the next examination will be a computer-based examination on the basis of how IIT
34:31-JE exams take place.
34:32A very big examinations reform.
34:34Second, the Prime Minister has also set up a high-powered committee to make various reforms, recommendations, in the whole
34:44of the examination apparatus,
34:46from setting the question papers to the examination centre, and these all will be carried out in good faith.
34:52Third and the most important reform is also strengthening this law that we are discussing today.
34:58Adhyakshi ji, Priyanka ji, abhi tak, bahut vistar mein baat ki.
35:05I want to ask her.
35:07In 2010, UPA government had introduced a similar bill.
35:15The Prevention of Mad Practices Bill.
35:18Why did you not pass the bill?
35:21Why did that bill fail?
35:23If at all you were so concerned about the future of young people,
35:26in 2010, you should have passed this bill so that the last 30 years these paper leaks would not have
35:32taken place.
35:33Adhyakshi, in 75 years of India's independent history,
35:40many papers have been leaked.
35:42When I was preparing for this book,
35:46thousands of papers.
35:47In the last 20 years,
35:49more than 200 paper leaks have taken place.
35:53Kendra Sarkar Ke Sarkar Pei, Pradesh Sarkar Ke Sarkar Pei.
35:56I can give you a full list when, who was in power,
36:00but is that going to solve the problem?
36:03The student does not need politics.
36:05He does not want solution.
36:07He does not want slogans.
36:09He wants solution.
36:10And this bill that Prime Minister Modi is bringing today,
36:14is the solution.
36:15It is 30 years late,
36:17but for the first time in the country's history,
36:2070 years ke baad ek special kanun,
36:23examination ke baare mein parit ho raha hai.
36:26All of these vides, Priyanka ji asked a question.
36:29Why has there been no conviction?
36:31Priyanka ji, I want to tell you.
36:34Conviction is not for this.
36:37Because there was no special kanun for this.
36:41You have introduced it in 2010,
36:46and passed it in 2010.
36:47We are now passing it.
36:49This is the reason.
36:5270 years me,
36:54in 70 years of the country's history,
36:56this is the first time a special law to criminalize was passed in 24,
37:05and is being strengthened now in 26.
37:08Adhyaak ji.
37:09But I want to take this debate further.
37:12I want to broaden the scope of this debate.
37:15Today, when I was a church,
37:18there were some of the answers.
37:20There are some of the answers.
37:20There are some of the answers.
37:22There are some of the answers.
37:23I want to ask myself a question that many students ask everyday.
37:29Why is our education system like this today?
37:33The exam system broken,
37:35the faults in the exam system,
37:38this is only a symptom.
37:39The real problem is with the education system.
37:43If you have to speak in Gen Z's language,
37:46Adhyaak ji,
37:48fixing the exam system is only fixing the bug.
37:51Fixing the education system is actually fixing the source code.
37:56And fixing the source code is root and branch reform of our education system.
38:02How is our education system today?
38:0616-17 years of children,
38:09what do they face?
38:11One time,
38:12it is necessary to search on it.
38:14Adhyaak ji,
38:15the needs of the preparation is only for 2 years.
38:19The 7th and 8th standard starts the preparation.
38:22The days,
38:23the days,
38:24the days,
38:26the days,
38:26the days,
38:27the days,
38:27the days,
38:27the days,
38:30the week and the days,
38:30the days are coming from LDRU too.
38:32They are on the 7th and 12th
38:33every day
38:35the days,
38:36the kids are coming in the coaching hub,
38:38in the coaching cities,
38:39there are cover or dip.
38:41They many in a small dorm versa level or hostel with small room.
38:46They have beautiful rooms,
38:46for those 2-3 years of living there.
38:49What is that?
38:50No creative thinking, no first principles thinking, no problem solving skills.
38:57Only run out of time, in the morning, in the morning.
39:01In the morning, at 4 o'clock, at 10-11 o'clock, no fun, no friends.
39:09There are no questions from home from the family.
39:11They become a machine.
39:14And when the kids get a break in the summer, 10-15 days, 10-15 days, when they go to
39:23home, they ask them to ask them.
39:26The exam is ready for them, right?
39:29How much will the rank?
39:32This time, it will be good marks.
39:34And there are comparisons.
39:36The child of the old child, they have a comparison.
39:39The child of the old child, they have a comparison with them.
39:44Adyakshi, 16-17 years, a child.
39:46Rapists.
39:48That's the most filthy type of man.
39:51There can be no filthier man than somebody who says that rapists need protection.
39:57That is the Education Minister of India today.
40:00It's strange.
40:01It's a strange reaction from the Prime Minister that there are so many people in his cabinet.
40:05He could have chosen any one of them.
40:07But he chooses a person who protects rapists.
40:13It's quite amazing.
40:24Congress there from Rahul Gandhi to Priyanka Gandhi upping the ante against the newly appointed Education Minister Prehla Joshi.
40:34Both going back to comments that apparently Prehla Joshi made.
40:38You're a woman.
40:39You're a woman.
40:40You know what women have to face and deal with in society in general.
40:44There's security, everything.
40:46It's a very wrong message.
40:50I'm going to authenticate.
40:51I'm going to authenticate.
41:04The final question is of Priyanka Gandhi because what she said about Prehla Joshi during her time of speech in
41:18the parliament has now created quite a frore.
41:22The BJP gave the largest pushback on this comment.
41:29Now what is she referring to?
41:31She is referring to a woman, she says in her speech,
41:36a pregnant woman who was raped and her rapist when they came out,
41:43she says allegedly those men were celebrated by Prehalad Joshi.
41:48That's the claim of Priyanka Gandhi on the floor of the House.
41:52And you see how BJP stood up and gave a strong pushback to those comments.
41:59You have senior leaders of the BJP, including Prehalad Joshi over there,
42:04who stood up and said, how can you say that?
42:06And then you have Priyanka Gandhi.
42:10If I'm not wrong, that's Prehalad Joshi actually,
42:12who's on the side of the government while those comments were being made.
42:17The same comment, the same comment of Priyanka Gandhi made on the floor of the House,
42:23reiterated by Rahul Gandhi outside while speaking to the media as well.
42:28Amit Bharatwaj, my colleague, joins us for more on this story.
42:31Amit, lots of pointers from what Priyanka Gandhi has said.
42:35But can you confirm or deny at this point if Prehalad Joshi himself,
42:39I think it's him that I see in the videos over there,
42:42that he himself stood up to oppose and said that I never made a statement like that.
42:47Also to note that both the Prime Minister and Home Minister were not in the Lok Sabhav
42:52while the speech was going on.
42:56Sonal, Rahul Gandhi has in fact opened a much bigger front against the new education minister
43:01or the in charge of the education ministry, Prehalad Joshi.
43:05Rahul Gandhi, while accompanying Priyanka Gandhi in the parliament complex after she completed her speech,
43:12he said the words which is possibly the biggest war front that Congress party has opened against Prehalad Joshi.
43:22He is saying that this person has defended rape convicts and nothing can be filledier than this.
43:28So this is the absolute big big front.
43:31He is the word that has been used by Rahul Gandhi.
43:33Let's listen in to what exactly he said one more time.
43:37So many girls are protesting. They have been beaten.
43:41The BJP puts a man who is a defender of rapists.
43:47That's the most filthy type of man.
43:50There can be no filthier man than somebody who says that rapists need protection.
43:56That is the education minister of India.
43:59It's strange. It's a strange reaction from the Prime Minister.
44:02That there are so many people in his government.
44:04He could have chosen any one of them.
44:06But he chooses a person who protects rapists.
44:12It's quite amazing.
44:14Alright, that is Rahul Gandhi there outside parliament.
44:18Priyanka Gandhi made a similar statement inside as well.
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