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00:30The EU and EU member states investing billions in defence.
00:34The big question that we put to members of the European Parliament is
00:37how much should we spend on defence and who should foot the bill.
00:42To set the scene we can take a look at an excerpt of this edition
00:45between Rio Terras, a former army general from Estonia
00:49and Martin Schurden, a left MEP from Germany.
00:55I think we are derailing the discussion here.
00:58It's not about to spend money on healthcare systems or defence.
01:03It's about defending Europe because we see that an aggressive Russia
01:07is willing and able to use conventional military weapons against countries
01:12and Putin has very often declared that he wants to rearrange the security system in Europe.
01:18And if we are not ready, if we don't fulfil our own taken tasks,
01:22then we are not able to defend Europe as a whole and separate countries of it.
01:28And Martin Schurden, that is a fair point what Rio Terras makes there
01:31because just think of Brussels just the other day.
01:33The airport was shut down for 30 minutes because of drone incursions,
01:37allegedly Russian drone incursions, buzzing over Dool, the nuclear plant,
01:41right by the port of Antwerp.
01:43Brussels had to call the UK in order to come and help,
01:46but wasn't able to defend itself in this situation.
01:47Yeah, exactly. That was supposedly a Russian drone.
01:50We don't know that yet.
01:51Well, I'm not defending Russia here.
01:52Maybe it was Russia.
01:53Maybe it was the third country.
01:54Maybe it was a private here.
01:55Who knows?
01:56But obviously Europe is tested also in its military capabilities.
02:00So, of course, we need to do something in order to discuss
02:04how to defend the European Union, how to defend the member states
02:07in case there would be a violation of international law,
02:10meaning an attack against one of the member states.
02:13This is not the case so far, so we can take time,
02:15but just a little bit to discuss how to spend wisely the money
02:19that we have at our hands into defence.
02:22And a new security order does not only depend on defence capabilities,
02:26it also depends on how we implement international law,
02:30how we strengthen international organisations.
02:32And this is something that I'm really missing,
02:35especially in the discussion of the Conservatives.
02:40How much to spend and where to spend it.
02:43Money, of course, one of the major points of discussion
02:46on that episode of The Ring.
02:48Defence came up in another fascinating, lively debate on The Ring
02:51that we had between the Austrian MEP from the European People's Party,
02:55Lucas Mandel, and the Belgian MEP from the left, Marc Batenga.
02:58Take a look.
03:02First of all, I don't think the massive increase is justified.
03:05Let's say this first.
03:06Secondly, I think it actually will weaken Europe on the long term as well,
03:10because contrary to what you're saying,
03:12it is not a good idea for our industry.
03:14You know, we have, you speak about jobs.
03:16Basically, the defence industry yields less jobs for money invested
03:20than other sectors do.
03:21You will not save the steel industry with militarisation.
03:24You know, producing 1,000 tanks, it's about three days of production of a steel factory.
03:29So you can see that you're actually weakening.
03:32Also, there's a negative multiplier effect that might be applied to other industries.
03:36So you're weakening structurally the industrial base of Europe by saying,
03:40we put more defence, but we will lose other sectors.
03:42Look at the automobile sector.
03:44And secondly, indeed, what is the threat that justifies, you know, this massive...
03:48Why, for example, if I hear the German Chancellor, right, saying,
03:52I want to have the biggest army in Europe.
03:55Why do you want the biggest army in Europe?
03:57Is that your threat assessment?
03:58That the problem is you don't have the biggest army in Europe?
04:01We need to be very clear.
04:02There are threats, you know, and one of the threats is the arms race.
04:05One of the threats is nuclear war.
04:07Let's be very clear.
04:08This is very clear.
04:09How do you deal with that?
04:10During the Cold War, we knew disarmament, transparency,
04:16limitations on arms control systems.
04:18All of these things we knew during the Cold War with the Soviet Union
04:21that was vastly more powerful and vastly more ideological than Putin or Putin's Russia will ever be.
04:28Okay.
04:28Do you hear this?
04:29In the Cold War, freedom won against dictatorship.
04:32And this was, of course, due to deterrence.
04:36And deterrence is what is needed.
04:37Deterrence will also save us.
04:39And deterrence is only possible if we can take care of ourselves.
04:42And the security sector and industries is not isolated from other sectors.
04:46We have to understand Europe.
04:48And I really care for Europe's prosperity, for jobs on our continent,
04:51and for the future of the generations ahead.
04:54Europe became a continent of consumption.
04:56We have been consuming over decades innovation from America,
05:01production from China and other parts of Asia,
05:04also innovation from China in the meantime.
05:06So we need innovation on European soil.
05:08We also need production on European soil.
05:11And when you talk about the automotive sector,
05:13there are not many sectors as much connected to the security sector as this one.
05:16So security and economy has to be taken serious.
05:21That's why I'm also saying let's put first things first.
05:25This must be the priority.
05:29Now it's time for our viewers to get a real flavor of the European Parliament chamber,
05:34where members ask each other questions.
05:36And sometimes it can get heated.
05:39So let's get started.
05:40Lukas Madl, I'm going to ask you to ask the first question to Mark.
05:46Well, Mark Potenga, as a colleague in the European Parliament,
05:49how can we make sure that we establish more freedom for the Europeans to the inside
05:54and more strength to the outside?
05:56This is the overall issue of our time.
05:57I would say Europe needs more strength for its civilization,
06:00for its reliability, the diplomatic approach that you obviously do not see from the European side,
06:06while Europe is the strongest diplomatic power given the geopolitical situation today.
06:11So how can we create more strength to the outside and how can we establish more freedom to the inside
06:16for our citizens?
06:17I think that's a very interesting question coming from the center-right,
06:20who's governing in many governments in Europe and who's basically limiting the right to protest,
06:26who's limiting the right to strike, who's limiting basically fundamental freedoms of Europeans.
06:31And so I would say first thing, please tell the governments of your political group,
06:37of your political party, to stop limiting the fundamental freedoms of Europeans.
06:42And secondly, towards the outside, I need, we need, I think, to rebuild European credibility.
06:49And how do we do that?
06:50We do that by stopping the double standards,
06:52by no longer saying international law is important for us in Ukraine,
06:56but in Palestine we don't care.
06:58International law is important when Russia or Putin violates it,
07:02but we don't care when Trump violates international law.
07:05Because if you have these double standards,
07:07never, ever will other countries take you seriously,
07:10and never, ever will you be a decent player on the international scale.
07:14Okay, on this, I think you want to follow up.
07:18I mean, there is so much to be said.
07:21I think it was now the fourth or fifth conspiracy theory from Mr. Potenga in today's talk
07:25about freedom being limited in Europe.
07:27There is no part on this planet, no continent, no country where freedom is so much established
07:32and so much defended and strong as it is in Europe.
07:36Obviously, also that we have this debate today,
07:39also that extremists have all democratic rights in parliaments in Europe,
07:44including the very European parliament.
07:46All of this is about freedom.
07:48And then mixing things up doesn't make it better.
07:51Of course, when international law is violated,
07:53Europe is the strongest voice speaking about that.
07:56Europe stood strong against Trump's attempt, for example, when it comes to Greenland.
08:01And we succeeded in that area.
08:03Europe stood strong when it was not clear whether the terrorists will go that way
08:07or the other way from Trump's side.
08:09He put us in a limbo again, but we didn't follow this pathway of a limbo.
08:13We didn't enter this political battlefield of Trump.
08:16We stood strong.
08:17And we managed to succeed more when it comes to the geopolitical tensions given than other parts of the world.
08:25But, of course, we need more strength to the outside, especially in that field you are doubting,
08:30in the field of our own security, and being able to take care of it.
08:33Marc Magier, you want to react?
08:35And then your question to Lucas Mando.
08:37Well, I think it's interesting because very often the EPP and central parties,
08:41when they don't have an answer, they say this is a conspiracy theory.
08:43What we see in many countries, like in Germany now, there's a debate even on saying
08:47we can't use the watermelon anymore as a political symbol because it would be anti-Semitic.
08:51This is, you know, what we are seeing.
08:53We're seeing this also with action against trade unions in different countries.
08:57So we see that there's a democratic backsliding, which human rights organizations are pointing out in Europe.
09:02You know, it's not some kind of left conspiracy to say that.
09:05But you don't want to see it because it's your governments doing it.
09:08Secondly, what I indeed want to ask now, and I think that's a thing.
09:13You say that Europe stands up for international law, and you quote Greenland.
09:20Europe didn't stand up for international law in Greenland.
09:22It stood up for its own territorial integrity.
09:26That is something very different.
09:27Because when we had to stand up for international law, the illegal war on Iran, you supported it yourself.
09:34When it is about denouncing the illegal occupation of Lebanon by Israel, you support it.
09:39When the International Court of Justice says that we should sanction Israel as third parties,
09:44we have a responsibility, you refuse it.
09:46So basically, when, you know, the Venezuelan president, whatever we think of him,
09:50is kidnapped illegally, and the world globally condemns this,
09:53saying this is just absolutely not how we deal with, how would I say, with international relations,
09:59and this is a violation of the UN Charter, you support it.
10:02So this is the issue.
10:03These double standards, it's not Europe that has double standards, you know.
10:07It is you, it is the governing coalition of Europe that has these double standards.
10:10Look, who is dealing with international law, who is in the lead of preserving it and observing it,
10:17is the United Nations.
10:18We had yesterday night in the European Parliament's plenary a debate on the United Nations' necessary reform.
10:25United Nations have to be reformed for obvious reasons.
10:28And if you are telling now that the war on the Iranian regime was wrong,
10:35I say, yeah, it was amateurishly done by the United States,
10:39while the decapitation of the Mueller regime's leaders worked very well.
10:44But the war obviously was wrong because it didn't work out well.
10:48The Mueller regime is still in place.
10:50I have been sanctioned myself by the Mueller regime since 2023,
10:52so I know what I'm talking about when I say women are suppressed in Iran.
10:58Iran is threatening the whole world, not only the region,
11:01and of course to threaten our only partner country in the region,
11:05the only democracy, the only rule of law-based state in the region, Israel,
11:09is part of the conspiracy theories of your political side.
11:13And this is a sign of freedom in Europe that you can speak freely about that,
11:16even if it's a very much in minority being opinion.
11:23But you are allowed to say that,
11:25and there are no many parts on Earth where you can do that.
11:27And last point on Greenland.
11:29I mean, when international law is violated,
11:31it doesn't matter whether it's Europe's interest or ours' interest.
11:33We care for international law.
11:34We even want to save international law
11:37during these geopolitical times of tensions,
11:39and that means that we have to reform the United Nations.
11:42Okay, thank you for a great debate so far.
11:45We've heard your views.
11:48Now it's time to hear from a new voice.
11:54And for our quote of the week,
11:57I would like to bring in Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni.
12:00In a letter addressed to Commission President Ursula von der Leyen,
12:03she said this,
12:05We cannot justify to our citizens that the EU allows financial flexibility
12:10to be used for security and defense purposes
12:13in the strictest sense,
12:15but not to protect families, workers, and enterprises
12:18from a new energy crisis
12:20that threatens to severely impact the real economy.
12:26Your take on this, Mark?
12:28Well, two things.
12:28First, she's walked back to on her statement.
12:30Secondly, it's terribly hypocritical
12:32because the fact that we now have, again,
12:35these horrible austerity rules
12:37was approved by her government.
12:39So first, and this is fantastic,
12:41first, the far right approves this,
12:43or the center right, whatever you want to call her,
12:45approves these rules,
12:46and then they say,
12:47Ah, it's not fair.
12:48So this is, you know, pure populism.
12:50But what is true is that Europe today says
12:53there's no money for your hospitals,
12:56for your pensions, for your schools,
12:57but miraculously we find hundreds of billions
13:01for the defense multinationals.
13:03You know, this contradiction is real.
13:04And so, indeed, we do not need these austerity rules anymore.
13:08And once again, they've been imposed
13:10by the mainstream parties, including Giorgia Meloni's.
13:13Okay. Lucas Mandel, your reaction?
13:14Yeah, this is part of the extremist populist approach.
13:17I think also the consumers, viewers of this program
13:19should see that there's no contradiction
13:22between producing something on European soil
13:24instead from buying it from outside
13:27and having hospitals and schools and streets
13:30because the one thing is connected with the other.
13:33If we have strong prosperity,
13:34if we have growth finally in Europe again,
13:36we will also be able to afford the social welfare states.
13:39We have established generations before us,
13:41have established in Europe,
13:42and we will have schools and roads.
13:46And another major issue
13:48that dominated the European news agenda this year
13:51was the war in Iran
13:52and the impact it's happening on the European Union
13:54and also on our economies.
13:56We had a lively debate
13:58between the Spanish MEP from the Socialists,
14:00Hanna Khalul,
14:01and the Austrian MEP from the European People's Party,
14:04Reinhard Lopatka.
14:08As you know,
14:10and as my prime minister, Pedro Sánchez,
14:11have stated,
14:12we think that any unilateral military intervention
14:15that has not passed through the security
14:17against the United Nations
14:18is not in compliance with international law.
14:21So we condemn any unilateral attack.
14:26This is not to say that we are supporting the Iranian regime in any case,
14:30you know,
14:30because we have been against the Iranian regime
14:32criticizing the killing of Masha Amini
14:34and, you know,
14:35the protesters, you know,
14:36in the streets that were fighting for human rights
14:38and in their liberties
14:40and we have always condemned
14:43the relation of the Iranian regime
14:45with the militias such as Hezbollah
14:47or the Houthis or Hamas.
14:49So very critical with them always
14:51and we fought to include
14:53the Revolutionary Guard in the EU terrorist list.
14:55So a condemnation of the Iranian regime
14:58but also of the US-Israeli intervention.
15:01Mr Lopatka,
15:02do you think that this military intervention
15:04from the US and Israel was justified?
15:07I can't agree.
15:09Why?
15:10Because if we would wait
15:12until the Security Council of the United Nations is acting,
15:15we would never have a result.
15:17You know,
15:18it is blocked by Russia and China.
15:21They always support Iran.
15:22Whatever is ongoing there.
15:24So don't forget,
15:26this regime in Iran,
15:28the Mullah regime,
15:29is a terrorist regime.
15:31What did they do?
15:32They killed thousands of their own people.
15:35There was state oppression to the Kurds.
15:39There are 8 million Kurds.
15:40Have in mind how they killed Masha Animi some years ago.
15:46They are founding terrorist groups in the region.
15:51Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis.
15:53And they are a big danger also for Europe.
15:56We should not forget it.
15:57It was a diplomat.
15:59He was in Vienna,
16:01in our embassy.
16:02Then he was sentenced here in Belgium
16:04for 20 years
16:05because he was supporting terrorism here
16:08on European soil.
16:09So what I want to say is
16:12we can speak about international law.
16:16And here you can say
16:17maybe it was illegal.
16:18But I think
16:21the United States
16:22and Israel
16:23were legitimized
16:25to start with these strikes.
16:27So let me put that argument to you,
16:29MEP Yalaloul.
16:30He's saying, well,
16:31maybe the legality is questionable.
16:33But isn't Europe
16:34letting the US and Israel
16:36do its dirty work
16:38in the Middle East
16:38by going after the proxies,
16:40going after the nuclear
16:41and missile programs of Tehran,
16:42for example.
16:43Do you agree with that?
16:44Well, what I do think
16:45is that we have diplomacy for something.
16:47First of all,
16:48we cannot use double standards.
16:50We cannot criticize
16:51other aggressions,
16:52you know,
16:52for other countries
16:53and then say
16:54that this is something
16:55we can do.
16:56But this is about
16:56international law,
16:57the system that we gave
16:58to ourselves after 45.
17:00So either we believe
17:01in international law
17:02or we don't believe in that.
17:03And we have means
17:04like diplomacy.
17:05Let's remember that
17:06one day before the conflict,
17:08even the Iranians
17:09sitting in a table
17:12of negotiation
17:13with the Omanis
17:13said that it will work
17:15not to enrich themselves.
17:15We know that
17:17and we have investigating
17:18and we send inspectors
17:20in order to see
17:20that it will enrich
17:21and even if the director
17:25of the nuclear agency
17:26said a few days ago
17:27that they were not sure
17:28that they were building
17:30nuclear weapons,
17:31but they had more than 60%
17:33of the allowed
17:33enrichment of uranium.
17:35So we have been
17:35very critical of that.
17:36We were under control,
17:37but don't forget
17:37that we have also a deal
17:38in 2015
17:39between Iran and six other countries
17:41where the U.S.
17:42were within that country,
17:43even Russia and China.
17:45And then the U.S.
17:46unilaterally deployed
17:47afterwards,
17:48which had as a consequence
17:50Iran enriching much more
17:53and restricting
17:53more of the inspections.
17:55So either we have
17:56a consensus against Iran
17:58on diplomacy,
17:59fighting the enrichment
18:00on uranium
18:02and targeting
18:03any other kind
18:04of activities
18:05they can have.
18:06I mean,
18:07it cannot be unilateral.
18:08We need to go together
18:09and based on
18:10international-based rule system.
18:11You bring up
18:12this question
18:12of double standards
18:13because the EU
18:14does pride itself
18:15on upholding
18:16the rules-based order,
18:17international law.
18:18You said yourself
18:19that you question
18:20the legality of this,
18:21yet the EU
18:22always is talking
18:22about international law
18:23in places like Ukraine.
18:25Isn't this double standards
18:26from the EU?
18:27No, not at all.
18:28Why?
18:29There's a big difference
18:30between the invasion
18:31in Ukraine of Russia
18:34to take the country,
18:35not respecting
18:37the sovereignty,
18:38not at all.
18:38And the situation here,
18:40the UN charter,
18:42and I'm absolutely sure
18:43that the purpose of it
18:45is to protect
18:46human life
18:47and not to shield
18:48terrorist regimes
18:49like in Iran.
18:51The Security Council
18:52is not working,
18:54so we are in
18:55a very difficult situation
18:56because I think
18:59the bigger threat
19:00is when the Security Council
19:02is misused
19:03by regimes
19:05like Iran,
19:08by dictators
19:09like Putin.
19:11And on the other side,
19:12we have to do
19:14everything
19:14to protect
19:16the interest
19:17of our people
19:18and fighting terrorism.
19:21And Iran
19:22is the biggest sponsor
19:23of terrorism.
19:25Giving Israel
19:26the chance
19:27to survive
19:28as a nation,
19:29I think
19:30this is our duty
19:31and it's absolutely
19:32in the interest
19:33of Europe.
19:34So there's a big difference
19:36and no double standards,
19:37not at all.
19:41As you can see,
19:42there are lots of questions
19:43but really hard
19:43to find the answers.
19:45Now it's time
19:45for us to take
19:46a short break here
19:47on this special
19:47summer edition
19:48of The Ring.
19:49Don't go anywhere.
19:50We'll be back soon.
19:59Welcome back
20:00to this special
20:01summer edition
20:02of Euronews Debate Show
20:03The Ring.
20:04I'm Maid MacMahon
20:05in Brussels.
20:06And as MEPs
20:07take a break
20:08from the city
20:08for the summer
20:09and the activities
20:10in the European Parliament
20:11Institute
20:11behind me
20:12take a slow,
20:13we're looking back
20:14at some of the highlights
20:15of this season
20:16on The Ring.
20:17One topic
20:18that featured a lot
20:19was of course
20:19the war in Iran
20:20and how Europe
20:21should respond.
20:22We can take a look
20:22now at an excerpt
20:23from this edition
20:24between Rio Terrace,
20:25the Estonian
20:26European People's Party
20:27MEP with Oswald Demeriel,
20:29a far left MEP
20:30from Germany.
20:34We have seen
20:38wars emerge
20:40around us.
20:40Europe has not
20:41launched any wars.
20:42Europe has not
20:43in the last
20:44like 70 years
20:45not been part
20:46to a war
20:47itself.
20:48But we see
20:49others attacking
20:50European countries
20:51around us.
20:52Do you think
20:53that Europe can solve
20:54these problems
20:55diplomatically
20:56or do we need
20:57military means
20:59to back up
21:00our diplomatic efforts?
21:02And if not,
21:03what is the other way?
21:04To be honest,
21:06yes,
21:06the European Union
21:07as the European Union
21:08didn't launch wars.
21:10But European member states
21:12were also in the past
21:13part of wars
21:15like we saw
21:16in Afghanistan,
21:18like we saw
21:18in Iraq,
21:19like we saw
21:20in Libya.
21:20it was not
21:22the UK
21:23as not anymore
21:23European Union,
21:25but it was also
21:25European countries.
21:27So it's not true
21:28that the European Union
21:29in the past
21:30was just standing
21:31for diplomacy
21:32and against wars
21:33in this world.
21:34So if we want
21:35to answer
21:36the times of wars,
21:37we have to go
21:38back and to stop
21:39about talking
21:40just about militarization.
21:42Do you know
21:42the definition
21:43of a dialogue?
21:45Yes, sure.
21:45That means
21:46that it needs
21:46two parts
21:47who want to discuss
21:48to talk to each other.
21:50If one side
21:51wants to talk
21:51and the other one
21:52is not,
21:53and I have been
21:53experiencing myself
21:54trying to reach out
21:56to Russian chief of defense
21:58as I was chief of defense
21:59and the response was
22:00why?
22:01Nobody wants
22:01to talk to us
22:02and not
22:04dictator Putin,
22:06not chairman Xi,
22:07they don't care.
22:08And as long
22:09as we are weak,
22:10we are not
22:11at the table
22:12and the dialogue
22:13needs two sides
22:14and if Russia
22:16understands
22:17only military means
22:18and they did not
22:20use diplomacy
22:20against Ukraine.
22:21Maybe a reaction
22:21on them to that.
22:22I don't know
22:23what you mean
22:24with weak.
22:24European Union
22:25is one of the huge
22:26or one of the biggest
22:28economic powers
22:29of the world
22:30and also the European
22:31member states
22:31has a lot of
22:32military instruments
22:34and we are spending
22:35a lot of money
22:36for military means.
22:38So it's like this.
22:39The facts are
22:40on the table.
22:41So don't tell
22:42just we are like this
22:44or we are like this.
22:45What is happening
22:46by now
22:46is that the European
22:47Union also decided
22:49like the US,
22:50like China,
22:51like other big powers
22:52in this world
22:52that they want
22:53to defend
22:54its own interests
22:55and this means
22:56resources of the world,
22:58trade routes of the world
22:59by military means
23:00and what this means
23:02is that people
23:03are dying,
23:04that the working class
23:04all over the world
23:05is paying the bill
23:07for it
23:08and this is not acceptable.
23:09This is why
23:09I'm rejecting
23:10this military means
23:12and I'm saying
23:12we have to find
23:13another way
23:14to protect lives,
23:16to protect our Earth.
23:18There are certain things
23:19we cannot do yet
23:20that still responds
23:21to what we can
23:22or cannot do.
23:23So we need to
23:24invest commonly together
23:27to a drone defense
23:29because we have seen
23:30a new weapon
23:32developing,
23:32a disruptive technology
23:33which has been used
23:34in Ukraine
23:35and kills people.
23:36We need,
23:37for example,
23:38to invest
23:38in this kind
23:39of technologies
23:40in order to make sure
23:41that our people
23:42are defended
23:43and they are not dying.
23:46Let me say clearly
23:47it's not a solution
23:49for nobody
23:50to prolong wars
23:51and it's also like this
23:53that not just Putin said
23:54I don't want to negotiate,
23:56it was also like this
23:57that the Western countries
23:58long, long time
23:58said we had no possibilities
24:00to negotiate,
24:01we don't want to negotiate
24:03and this was prolonging
24:06this war
24:06and the result
24:08of this war
24:08is not good
24:09for the Ukrainian people
24:10so let me say this.
24:13You are from the EPP
24:14and you are standing
24:15for a conservative politics.
24:17You are,
24:18in the last weeks
24:19your group
24:20has really weakened
24:22the right of asylum
24:23in European Union systems
24:26and it's like this
24:27that the war in Iran
24:28also has the result
24:31that people had to flee,
24:32that they become refugees
24:34and maybe they want
24:35to come here.
24:35What is your answer?
24:37Why are you supporting wars
24:38or not rejecting wars,
24:40not doing everything
24:40to stop wars
24:41and on the other side
24:43working against people
24:44who are affected
24:45by these wars
24:46and become refugees?
24:47What is your answer?
24:48May I start with saying
24:50EPP is not launching wars,
24:52it's not causing wars
24:53and the only thing
24:54EPP stands for
24:55is to defend people
24:57against the wars
24:58which are around us.
24:59Be it an Iran regime
25:03which has been killing,
25:05torturing people
25:0647 years
25:08or be it a Russia
25:09who has never listened
25:10to anybody
25:11who launched wars
25:12since 2008,
25:15whose political aims are,
25:17who wants to achieve
25:18its political aims
25:20by military means.
25:21And just on the potential
25:22refugee ways.
25:23Yeah, yeah,
25:23I'll come back to that.
25:24And so that is not
25:26what we want.
25:26And we want
25:27European people
25:29to live safely
25:30in Europe.
25:32But we are ready
25:34to take refugees
25:35but we don't want
25:36to have illegal refugees.
25:38We don't want
25:38to have economical refugees.
25:40We want to know
25:42who is living in Europe
25:44and who is not.
25:45And that's what we stand for.
25:46It is now time
25:47to move on
25:48to our fifth
25:48and final round.
25:50Are you ready?
25:54So now it is time
25:55for something
25:56a little bit different.
25:57I'm going to be asking
25:58our MEPs
25:58a set of questions.
26:00And you only have
26:01the opportunity
26:02to answer with
26:03yes or no.
26:05So was it a good idea
26:07to kill the Supreme Leader
26:08Ali Khamenei?
26:09Yes or no?
26:11I don't like him
26:12but I don't think
26:13that it's illegal
26:15and it shouldn't be.
26:17Was it a good idea?
26:18Yes or no?
26:18Yes.
26:20Is the US still a friend
26:21to the European Union?
26:22Yes or no?
26:23Yes.
26:24The US people,
26:25yes.
26:25Trump, no.
26:26Should the EU
26:27be more involved
26:28in this war?
26:29Yes or no?
26:30Clearly no.
26:31No.
26:32And should European countries
26:33increase defence spending?
26:35Yes or no?
26:35Yes.
26:36No.
26:38Should Europe focus
26:39on renewable energy?
26:40Yes or no?
26:41Yes.
26:42And manage a mix.
26:44And should NATO
26:45be involved
26:46if the conflict expands?
26:48Yes or no?
26:49No.
26:50No, I'm against NATO also.
26:52And just a question
26:53on European governments.
26:54Should European governments
26:55be subsidising energy costs
26:57today now
26:57to protect consumers?
26:58Yes or no?
26:59Yes.
27:00Yes.
27:01And is Iran
27:02a direct threat
27:03to European security?
27:04No.
27:05Yes,
27:06and it has always been.
27:08Okay,
27:08and have you agreed
27:09on anything
27:09that you've heard here?
27:14And what about you?
27:15Have you agreed?
27:15I agree that renewable energy
27:17is a part of the energy mix.
27:22And you can watch
27:23the full episode
27:23of that edition
27:24of The Ring
27:25on Euronews.com.
27:26But that does bring
27:27this special summer edition
27:29of The Ring
27:29to an end.
27:31We'll be back very soon.
27:32But in the meantime,
27:33do let us know
27:33what topics
27:34you want us to debate here.
27:35The Ring
27:36at Euronews.com.
27:37That is our email address.
27:39But for now,
27:40thanks for tuning in.
27:40Take care
27:41and see you soon
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