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03:00Good evening, Trinidad and Tobago, and to our international audience,
03:04and of course, our brothers and sisters in Grenada.
03:07This is Beyond the Tape.
03:08I'm your host, Whitney Husbands.
03:09Now, we are smack in the middle of the week, so that means only one thing.
03:13It's, legally speaking, Wednesdays as we get ready to slide straight into the weekend.
03:17But the time we blink, listen, it's that time.
03:20But before anything else, we have a gentleman who is always willing,
03:24who wears many hats.
03:26And another portfolio, by the way, was added to this gentleman's lineup.
03:31And he is known as our attorney on the show and also the director of community and policy support
03:39in the Ministry of Homeland and Security.
03:41And now, he's also the host of Deep Dive.
03:44Good evening to Mr. Ali.
03:46Whitney, you always find a tactical way of humbling me on an afternoon.
03:53But I want to thank you very much, and I'm humbled by your comments this afternoon.
03:55And it's very emotional for me as well.
03:58You know, and I'll tell you why.
04:00You know, when we stand with you, you know, as the host,
04:04sometimes we do not understand the important responsibility that you have
04:09in conjunction with the producer, Ms. Jackie Solomon, and her technical staff.
04:16But, you know, yesterday evening, having had the opportunity, my, I should use the word inaugural
04:23slash my verging encounter with reference to hosting a program.
04:28You know, I recognize how important, you know, from a technical context, the role of a host.
04:34And I want to thank you very much for your contribution, your support for carrying this show
04:39on a daily basis, five days a week, continuously, together with Jackie and others.
04:43And I want to, you know, salute you as well this afternoon.
04:46I'm very humble.
04:46Thank you very much for identifying the Deep Dive, which is a very important program
04:51for the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago.
04:53And we'll talk a little more about it as we go along.
04:55But it's an honor and privilege, a pleasure to be here this afternoon.
04:58And as I said before, I hope that, you know, you can also, you know, appear on that Deep Dive,
05:04you know, as an interviewee, you know, to see us in different contexts.
05:08You know, it's so spectacular to see persons playing different roles, you know,
05:12performing different functions.
05:13It's really humbling.
05:15And, you know, I want to thank Trinidad and Tobago for their support,
05:17the Ministry of Homeland Security, the Honorable Minister of Homeland Security,
05:19who made his, who launched the program yesterday afternoon.
05:23You know, I salute you, Honorable Minister, my team at the Policy and Community Support Office,
05:28and the multi-sectoral team that's involved in the National Parenting Seminar
05:31and the Psychosocial Intervention.
05:32And it's indeed an honor and privilege to come to you to engage and connect with the people of Trinidad
05:37and Tobago.
05:38But like always, good afternoon, good evening, good evening to the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago,
05:42wherever you may be.
05:43I know that we don't see you, but we know that you are looking on, you are paying attention.
05:48You know, I always indicated to you that persons actually sit down by their television,
05:52based on their feedback, and make notes with me.
05:55That's a humbling, humbling experience.
05:57Yes, I learn from you every Wednesday.
05:57Well, they learn from you as well.
05:59They sit down and they actually make notes, and that note that they are making,
06:03that note is communicated to other persons in different contexts.
06:06I want you to understand the significant role that we play.
06:09Every single person who appears from Monday to Friday on this platform,
06:13persons are sitting and making notes,
06:15and then the persons who are making contributions cause us to think and think differently.
06:19Jackie and the technical staff, you know, yesterday I want to make mention,
06:22and I intend to do it on the deep dive show as well.
06:25You know, Whitney, having had a crash course, you know, moments before that deep dive,
06:31you know, Jackie, I want to salute you this afternoon, and also Mr. Leston,
06:35you know, for the time that they spend, you know, to share that very critical information
06:40so that I can negotiate that process properly.
06:43I want to thank you all and salute you.
06:44And, you know, I want to commend you for being there for me, for supporting me,
06:48and supporting, of course, the program deep dive as we go forward.
06:52So, the permanent secretaries as well, you know, who, you know, saw the need for it.
06:56Yes.
06:56You know, I want to salute them as well.
06:57And, you know, to my law enforcement colleagues, law enforcement,
07:01and also from a private security context, you know,
07:04that is an industry who continuously pay attention to this show.
07:10And they use the information from this show to also do their lectures and seminars
07:13to ensure that the security officers are coming up to our level.
07:16But, Whitney, let's see how I can assist you this afternoon.
07:18As usual, our legal cap is on this evening.
07:23And also the director.
07:24So, you're taking off the director and host hat now.
07:26We're in attorney mode.
07:28Well, I don't know if we have space or all those hats in, Whitney.
07:31That is why we can pilot on top of each other.
07:33Well, okay, of course.
07:33Yeah, sure.
07:34So, as you mentioned, the support and the TTPS continues to work extremely hard.
07:39And, of course, with the support of the citizens, we are seeing why here right now.
07:42Now, according to the TTPS media release today,
07:46$5 million TT dollars worth in cannabis destroyed in Moruga suppression exercise.
07:52So, approximately 5,000 fully grown cannabis trees with an estimated street value of TT5 million
07:59were destroyed by officers of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
08:02during a cannabis suppression exercise conducted in Moruga on Tuesday, the 21st of July, 2026.
08:10Now, during the operation, officers discovered and destroyed two cannabis fields
08:14covering approximately one and a half acres.
08:19The fields contain an estimated 5,000 fully grown cannabis trees
08:24with an estimated street value of $5 million TT dollars.
08:29Officers also destroyed several water containers
08:31and other cultivation equipment used to maintain the illegal plantations.
08:37A job well done by the TTPS.
08:39I hope they didn't get too high while they were destroying those cannabis.
08:45You said two things that I want to, you know, expound on this afternoon.
08:50One, the area of cultivation.
08:53And that was the photographs that were shown, evidence of the cultivation,
09:01and the things that you identified that were found supports the cultivation.
09:04And, Whitney, the amount of cannabis that was destroyed is, you know, in my respect for view,
09:15a lot of persons would have been interested in that cultivation for the purposes of whether it be wholesale and
09:23retail
09:24or bringing it into land.
09:26So, I'm happy that law enforcement have actually identified that field, have destroyed that field,
09:30and, you know, kudos, I salute the law enforcement agencies that were involved in the exercise.
09:35And the second thing that you spoke about in terms of the smell.
09:38Yes.
09:39These exercises, of course, will naturally create a risk, or I should say a health concern.
09:45And, again, to show the extent in which the officers go to be able to destroy cannabis,
09:50which is very dangerous and can brew or can attract a level of violence.
09:56It is very, very commendable on the part of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service,
10:00and to the Commissioner of Police, the Executive of the TTPS,
10:03and all the officers who were involved in this special exercise or support agencies.
10:07I want to salute you.
10:09This is the level of aggression that we require to be able to deal with crime and criminality,
10:14whether it be firearms, ammunition, but in this case, the injuries are drugs.
10:17So, again, I want to join with you to commend the officers with reference to this exercise.
10:21I always indicate, Whitney, even when you show these statistics, while we may have spoken about a destruction,
10:28somebody or some group is responsible for this cultivation.
10:32And I will still urge the law enforcement agencies to conduct diligent inquiries to ensure that the human element,
10:39I always believe that if you restrict the human element by the rule of law,
10:43you're going to be able to prevent crime and criminality from continuing.
10:46So, it's excellent for the destruction, but we also want to identify the persons who are responsible
10:52for the cultivation of this field, but excellent work.
10:55Totally agree with that.
10:56And with that being said, I am not sure if you saw this video,
11:00and this was the incident that we spoke about yesterday,
11:03where the shooting in the Batara area, now the victim was identified
11:07as Shaquille Charles, 32, of Monrepo Movo, but up to last night,
11:14police had not yet determined the motive of his killing.
11:18Now, police said that around 4.20 p.m., Charles was walking through the car park
11:23of the Benefit, the People's Supermarket in Batara,
11:27when a vehicle in the car park with two men drove up to him.
11:31One man got out and shot at Charles.
11:34He died at the scene.
11:37Condolence to the family, by the way.
11:39So, with New Weil, on one hand, we have commended the success
11:43of the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service.
11:45We have seen that persons are continuing to perpetrate their criminal activities,
11:50of course, in the public space, and that continues to be a very serious challenge for us.
11:54And, you know, it's important for us to direct the necessary focus
12:00with reference to organized crime and gang activity in Trinidad and Tobago.
12:03It continues to be a nagging issue, and, you know, why is it as policy and community support?
12:08Just speaking to the Honorable Minister last night, you know,
12:10I'm also very carefully thinking about whether, in fact, the need has come
12:14to look at a policy in terms of dealing with organized crime and gang,
12:17and if necessary, looking at the current legislation
12:20to see whether, in fact, the legislation is structured in such a way
12:24to be able to disrupt and dismantle criminal gang and gang-related activities,
12:27and also, importantly, whether from an operational context,
12:31from an investigative context, whether we are currently positioned
12:35to be able to deal with these issues,
12:37it is very clear that these persons believe that they can chance,
12:40or take the chances.
12:41How could they do it?
12:42They're doing it.
12:42They believe so.
12:43Correct.
12:44And it's important for us to identify that
12:46and to be able to address that gap that may be existing,
12:49or the confidence that they believe that they have
12:51to be able to perpetuate these activities.
12:53But, again, very unfortunate situation,
12:55and if there are persons who have intelligence or information
12:58about these activities, we always call on you
13:01to provide the information, provide the intelligence,
13:03even provide the evidence.
13:04If you do not trust law enforcement, there are many other avenues.
13:08You know, on this particular program,
13:09we have the Crime Stoppers person come from time to time,
13:13and they encourage persons to be able to use the anonymous channel.
13:16Please let us use it.
13:17We are living in Trinidad and Tobago,
13:19and I just want to just use this opportunity
13:22to run across to what happened in Laventil.
13:24Yes.
13:25From the facts and the report,
13:27innocent bystanders were caught in the exchange of gun fires.
13:31And I want to say to Trinidad and Tobago
13:32that this could have been any one of us
13:35going to the gas station to refuel our vehicle
13:37to take our family to the beach,
13:40to the cinema, to the party,
13:42to the church, to the mandir, to the mosque,
13:44just looking to refuel our vehicle.
13:46And unfortunately, two gangs that are in conflict
13:48found the opportunity to have that exchange
13:51at that particular point in time.
13:52Let us not be selfish.
13:54Sometimes, Whitney, and I want to say this very frankly this afternoon,
13:57sometimes I see things happen,
14:00and I form the opinion that many of us sometimes
14:04we have a selfish way of thinking.
14:06And I want to ask the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago
14:08and all stakeholders.
14:10Let us, if there's a selfish way of thinking
14:12or believe that we are untouched,
14:14let us remove that and understand that we live in a society
14:16that we depend on each other.
14:18The person who's bringing the bread every evening,
14:20four or five, blowing the horn,
14:21to say, look here, we are selling the bread.
14:23The person who is opening the parlor for the rice
14:25and the milk and the sugar and the soft drink.
14:27It cannot be garbage.
14:28Let us understand that we all have a role
14:30and a contribution to play.
14:31And if I always said that innocent bystander
14:34based on the report,
14:36if the head of that family is hurting,
14:39our feet should feel the pain.
14:41We should be viewing ourselves on one body.
14:43You know, so it was very sad to see that,
14:45but it shows how impactful
14:48and from a negative context,
14:49crime and criminality is considered.
14:51As a matter of fact, I said that in a meeting today
14:53with a meeting called by the Communication Department
14:55of the Ministry of Homeland
14:56and all the various stakeholders were there
14:58and I told them that we need to continue
15:00to be reminded that crime and criminality
15:02do not impact a sector
15:04or a particular group.
15:06It impacts Trinidad and Tobago.
15:09We have seen the education sector being impacted,
15:11the placement of police officers in the school.
15:13The health sector, persons run in
15:15to a health institution where they are chasing after.
15:18Breaking down places that persons believe is safe
15:21and could be trusted is no longer a space
15:25where persons really feel comfortable anymore.
15:28That's correct.
15:28So I hope that they could find a way, Mr. Ali,
15:31because even though we are hearing the heads at B
15:34stating that they're seeing serious crimes being done,
15:37from seeing videos like this,
15:39and of course, pictures and videos on social media
15:42that are circulating,
15:43it doesn't feel the same as they're seeing the stats.
15:48It doesn't equate to the numbers that they're giving us
15:52to show the reduction.
15:53But I hope that we can really find a way
15:55because we continue, as I say,
15:57the tug of war that is taking place
16:00with the criminal elements
16:01and the TTPS with the citizens
16:03who are trying the utmost to find a way to suppress.
16:07One thing I'll say before we move on with me
16:09is that we cannot be,
16:11I should say, let me rephrase it.
16:13We have to be adopting a fluid process.
16:17So every single day that we wake up,
16:19it may mean a change in our crime response.
16:21And until we appreciate that,
16:24we may not get the necessary impact that we require.
16:27So yes, we are doing well.
16:29We are achieving some level of success.
16:31We have seen a reduction from a statistics context.
16:34But there are many more things that we can do
16:36and it's important for us to treat it.
16:38Let us be a student of crime fighting.
16:41Now it's time for us to take a look
16:43at what's making our SOE update
16:45as of July 22nd, 2026.
16:49Number of operations, 10,093.
16:53Number of targets prior to offenders, 2,660.
16:57Searches conducted, 3,851.
17:00Traffic operations, 6,260.
17:04Total persons arrested, 4,454.
17:08Total persons charged, 1,085.
17:13Firearms recovered.
17:14We're seeing an increase with the pistols,
17:16giving us a total of 242.
17:19Ammunition recovered.
17:20We're seeing an increase with the 9mm,
17:22giving us a total now of 4,565.
17:26And dangerous drug seeds.
17:27We're seeing an increase with the cannabis and cocaine.
17:30Mr. Ali?
17:31Well, Whitney, every time I see the statistics
17:33and, you know, having read the statistics,
17:35I will always, you know, attribute the success
17:36to the statistics of Trinidad and Tobago
17:38and the partnership with Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
17:40and other support agencies.
17:41Have it not been for this particular partnership,
17:44we'll not be reading these statistics.
17:46But let's go back to the previous...
17:48Jackie, can you just take us back to the previous slide?
17:52There's no doubt that the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service
17:55and the support agencies are in operational mode.
17:59Yes.
18:00One...
18:01Sorry, 10,093 operations.
18:04That is evidence of overt actions.
18:07That's not sitting in an office.
18:09Secondly, the number of targets, priority offenders, 2,660.
18:15The searches, 3,851.
18:18Traffic operations, 6,260.
18:21Total persons arrested, 4,454.
18:24And critically here, and I just deliberately went down
18:27to repeat these statistics that you read,
18:301,085 persons have been charged and placed before the court.
18:33But yet we are seeing very brazen acts of crime and criminality.
18:37So it shows a level of, you know,
18:40lawlessness in Trinidad and Tobago.
18:41And, you know, it's a mama task.
18:44It's a mama task.
18:45And hence why I want to just extend my hand to deep dive.
18:50To first appreciate that we cannot charge, arrest, prosecute our way out of this.
18:58That's a very...
18:59To change your mind.
19:00That's a mama task.
19:01The mind.
19:02You know, let us...
19:03Whitney, I couldn't agree with you this afternoon.
19:05Say that again.
19:06The mind.
19:07And as I said before in this program,
19:09and you had asked me the question,
19:11the elements of a crime,
19:13in most cases, requires,
19:15if not expressly, impliedly,
19:17an act of serious elements and a mental element.
19:20So you may have an unlawful act,
19:22but that menswear, that intention,
19:24that recklessness,
19:25where you foresee a danger and you're still taking the risk,
19:28those are things that we need to identify.
19:31And that's why we have adopted a psychosocial approach.
19:33To be able to appreciate the importance of engaging these vulnerable youth
19:38at an early stage,
19:40and in some cases, even the adult,
19:41to understand that you can deal sometime with some challenges that you have,
19:46make the right choices,
19:47be resilient in your situation,
19:48and bring the community in to support that cause.
19:51And, you know, I have to say that.
19:52So just as we are looking at hard enforcement,
19:55the primary avenue,
19:57TTPS is well positioned to do that.
19:59They have been doing that to the best of their ability,
20:01but they must be complemented
20:03with the prevention or the secondary method.
20:06And I salute the Minister of Homeland Security
20:09for recognizing that that's a direction
20:11that we need to complement the TTPS with.
20:13All right.
20:14So with that being said,
20:15let's take a look at what's making today's headlines.
20:47And those are your stories.
20:48Thank you for making today's headlines.
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23:44and welcome back you could give us a call at six two three seventeen eleven extension
23:49nineteen ninety six or nineteen ninety seven we have mr. Ali director and host of deep
23:55dive with us this evening is legally speaking Wednesdays we have a call on the line call
23:59good evening good evening I felt very proud last night when I saw two corrupts post their own show
24:26that is one what was most important to me in that whole show their main concern was the
24:35better children and the younger ones that is one the other one sadly I don't want you to
24:45go into any details in this because in fact I know we have been very careful when we speak
24:49about it but can you explain to me not a judgment it was tedious to get the different type of
25:00appeal during the main issue over the past two weeks and I also want to commend the police
25:11service for bringing 201 new recruits because I know that will at least assist in a serious way
25:20okay okay yes thank you so much but I believe in our SOE thank you very much Kola Kola you
25:28you are
25:30following the facts you know very closely and you know I want to you know thank you for the
25:33recognition where Whitney could we safely see that Bionitape has given birth to other initiatives and other
25:43programs and I think Bionitape ought to be commended yes because I did not been for Bionitape you know
25:47probably some of us may not have gotten the experience the exposure the opportunity for
25:52persons you know to see that perhaps you know we can do other things so you know Kola I want
25:56to thank
25:56you very much for as a member of the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago for recognizing that that's number one
26:02number two I'm happy that you you're basically focused the light on where the discussions were going
26:09last night prevention but where the youths and children is concerned and I if it's one thing that I have
26:15very
26:15close to my heart is the youths and the children because I believe I strongly believe and I know the
26:20Honorable Minister and other ministers Minister of Education the Minister of Social Development in
26:25addition and of course the Honorable Prime Minister I know that where children and vulnerable youths are
26:30concerned that's a very significant matter and I think that if we get control of that with the
26:35support of the parents in Trinidad and Tobago we are on our way to a level of recovery but if
26:42we are not
26:42focusing on the vulnerable youths and children what you are doing is that you are keeping these
26:46persons exposed where the criminal gangs they're going to continue to be vulnerable and we are going
26:51to continue to be chasing non-crime and criminality in a way that you know maybe you know beyond our
26:56control so I think that we need to you know draw that line see if the future deal within the
27:03rule of
27:03law with the persons who are bent on breaching the criminal law and the TTPS is well positioned for that
27:07I know the Commissioner has signaled his client and channel reference of crime and criminality
27:11and I think that this approach is an approach to complement and we said it last night the police
27:17hard-armed policing having both a primary and a secondary so I want to thank you for joining the
27:22contribution and of course I will reserve comments on your last area because of the many hats that I
27:27wear and I want to be able to respect the matters that are unfolding in the public domain all right
27:32that that being said it's very important that we go back to basic once again for us to understand
27:38the traffic rules and regulations of Trinidad and Tobago let's sharpen up those skills let's head back
27:43to basic
27:53I am number two one nine six two PC Nichols and today we're doing a little exercise called back
27:58to basics where we just ask any public questions to see if they have a little knowledge on the road
28:04safety and the regulations and the laws right all right so the first question is you should under all
28:12conditions drive at a speed that will allow you to a stop within 150 meters 500 feet
28:20B stop within 90 meters 300 feet or C within 60 meters 200 feet or D stop putting a safe
28:30distance
28:30what is your answer I think the answer should be D stop putting a safe distance
28:35all right all right all right you get one all right you're going to get some part all right
28:40number two when the driver of another vehicle is about to overtake and pass your vehicle you must
28:47A speed up so that the passing is not necessary B move to the right to prevent the passing or
28:57C
28:57D signal the other driver not to pass or D move to the left and allow such vehicle to pass
29:04and
29:05shall not speed abreast the overtaking vehicle I think that one should be D move to the left and allow
29:12such vehicle to pass
29:13all right you smell like you know getting like that not bad at all all right so this is the
29:19make or break it all right
29:23hmm all right so we deliver the signs right right so that first sign that you see there the box
29:28with the
29:30x's yes have you seen that before yes I think I've seen that before you think you have seen it
29:35before
29:35yes okay so what does that box stand for I think that box states you should not enter unless it's
29:42clear
29:43uh it was by the wilson road traffic like I think what all right congrats congrats
29:51go and check the regulations so this is from the trading and logistics limited tobago and also
30:00the princess town station council thank you very much no problem right guys we just had our second
30:09contestant and that man blow us out of the park he get everything correct every sign every law all the
30:16regulations he like he now do he driving tests no he now went licensing and do you think we were
30:22real
30:22happy with that he for sure cannot go back and comment on a police video and say police wicked we
30:27gave him
30:27a prize he was very happy with his token of appreciation and we're out there looking for
30:33more contestants so we want to give away things we want to give back to you guys so we hope
30:38to see more
30:49and that was your back to basics he got all three correct which we're happy to see that means he
30:54is
30:54attentive and sharp and understands the road regulations miss ali and again you know i want
30:59to acknowledge and you know commend this initiative and um you know while we were speaking about
31:03prevention this is prevention and educational engagement in a different context this is in
31:07relation to ensuring that we preserve road safety in trinidad and tobago and this is exactly what we need
31:13you know when whitney the weapon of education sometimes we minimize the importance of that we shouldn't
31:20we always we never stop learning and you said on this program and i recall distinctly knowledge is
31:25what power and speaking of knowledge is power just for the public to know because it was brought to my
31:31attention by mr ali that we want persons to know that we will be observing world day against trafficking
31:38in persons and it's observed annually and this is on july 30th and it was established by the united
31:45nations general assembly in 2013 so definitely we'll be acknowledging that and giving more information
31:51as we go along in the month of july we take that break when we come back we'll continue with
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34:31and we're back remember you can give us a call
34:33at six to three 1711 extension 1996 or 1997 we have of course mr ali here with us our tuning
34:41and
34:41director and host as well now i just want to mention something quickly oh we have a caller my apologies
34:48we have a call caller good evening good evening good evening my apologies yes
34:54officer ali how are you how are you all good evening to you mom yeah we are okay for now
34:59okay officer ali i
35:02looked at i looked at deep dive and a lot was really said what i like was you know the
35:08program when
35:09concerning what is it and i'm hoping that it will work and people with those those beyond
35:15to learn will understand that they can do something for themselves rather than get into trouble and i hope it
35:20will be because of their parents being involved and what a lot of what was said was that persons can
35:26get
35:26a second chance and that is something positive the next one considering the number of persons who
35:32are held on the pdo what happens if the SOE has ended all right and they are sent out and
35:39let's let's say
35:40we have another continuity of an S3 what happens to those people do will they be held again or is
35:50it because
35:50of a different S3 they cannot be held again and you know sometimes people will try to yes you hold
35:56me
35:56and you didn't charge me so it means that i can get at you can that happen my last point
36:02is what do we
36:03have a dog control act of 2013 is that available and is it for special dogs or for the owners
36:11of dogs
36:12you know what kind of dogs and hamburg because i saw where something happened with some owner some
36:18people got so mixed with the owner of the dog that i don't know what it is so what is
36:23happening
36:23with that dog control app all the best be safe all of you thank you very very much have a
36:28good evening
36:29thank you so much ma'am well thank you very much kola kola let me just respond to you immediately
36:33um and you know you have basically um engaged me to be able to tell the national community
36:39that over the next couple weeks you are going to see experts from from a multi-sectoral context coming
36:45on the deep dive program to be able to share information advice and guidance and i and i urge the
36:50parents and and caregivers to pay particular attention so that you can benefit this this is the the essence
36:58to be able to connect with you all so i just want to answer you in relation to that first
37:01point
37:01thank you very much for your support and your recognition the second issue i see that you know
37:06you have you have consistently directed your focus in relation to pdo's and i want to say in in simple
37:11terms that when a state of emergency comes to an end if you are not charged and you are placed
37:17on a
37:18pdo and you are subsequently released the judicial system due process is still open to you and if you feel
37:24very strong that your in your your incarceration on the pdo was not justified you have access to the
37:32courts of trinidad and tobago to be able to review that position so that's number one the second thing
37:36in relation to if the soe comes to an end and you are released if they are credible intelligence that
37:42still place you in a position where you are prejudicial to public safety and security so the intelligence in
37:47my respect for you must be refreshed to be able to bring you back into custody to be able to
37:51preserve the
37:52public safety and security so very significant matters that you are raising and i will always
37:56urge persons who are finding themselves in that position to seek competent legal advice before you
38:02take any step in moving forward so that you will be properly guided and you are not um you know
38:08wasting
38:09the court's time or wasting your own time and your funding so just be guided by that and i think
38:13the last
38:14area that she zeroed into um with me was the dog control act yeah permit me to refresh my mind
38:20on that
38:20act but what i can say from my last reading of that particular legislation the their particular dogs
38:26that have been defined in that particular um dangerous dogs act but there's a very critical
38:31agency that has a role to play in that and the agency from my recollection is the regional authorities
38:38in the various um parts of trinidad and tobago which must be paying attention in terms of things like
38:43looking at to see whether in fact the area is properly secured whether the dogs are registered whether
38:48they are proper insurance or the money that must be deposited with reference to having possession
38:53or control over these dogs so but i'll refresh my mind but the very significant matter and you know
38:58in the 2026 britney we can google the dangerous drugs uh the dangerous dogs act correct and have a
39:05read of that particular legislation so those who may be found in a position where they are engaging in
39:10dangerous dogs see whether the dogs that you have the classification whether you are falling within the
39:15legislation and if so what may be your duty and responsibility in relation to continue to
39:20control and be in possession of those dangerous dogs but like in anything else continue to be guided by
39:25the law but all as always thank you for your contribution and for bringing a lively conversation
39:30with you okay we have another school yes we have another call call good evening
39:35hello hello hello good afternoon good evening good evening good evening to you sir all right good evening um
39:43i i just want to make a suggestion right i looked i looked at um the deep deep deep dive
39:51and um and um i know the focus is on approach and um psychosocial approach right i want to defer
39:59a bit
39:59right and um don't get me wrong eh because i believe deviant act criminal act right or
40:07delinquency act right is driven by immoral attitude right so the focus of prevention must be based on
40:16a curriculum a curriculum that teaches young people right how to adhere to law order morality and justice
40:23to the overall program right to developing a culture of lawfulness and the rule of law but i won't leave
40:29it there i want to tell you how right for me if your attitude if you can cultivate attitudes will
40:36determine
40:37success right or failure right you must show them how to enhance the thinking skills
40:45and speaking program a moral reasoning program for those who are more or less on the fringe you have
40:53to develop protective factors you have to show them how to reason and those who are already there
40:59you have to know how to be rehabilitated right so so so i am not telling if this psychosocial is
41:05not
41:05approach but it has to do with how you how how you identify the program and i and i'm saying
41:13to identify
41:14the program is that young people especially today right modern emma need to live and know how to
41:21cultivate how to manage and control the quality of their lives choose the power of a positive attitude
41:28and a growth mindset attitude is the foundation right of everything because you have to teach them the
41:35abc of behavior attitude behavior and consequences right so you have to give them the protective factors
41:42to stop delinquency so i think that's something you can look at um policy experts in addition to your
41:50psychosocials i'm a moralist right thank you so much thank you so much right you're like okay
41:55in terms of our moral reasoning right and you can't teach them all the reason not not what they think
42:02but
42:02how they think right without we will reduce them very important but the whole approach that we
42:07develop in our culture of lawfulness and rule of law and give them an enhanced thinking skill right
42:13i will do it at next school right yes thank you so much cola thank you for what are you
42:19you know mr ali
42:20i want to say to the citizen of shenan tobago i'm one person who is always open for contributions that
42:28can be valuable to the people of shenan tobago and you know while we have a deep dive taken a
42:33psychosocial
42:33approach you have brought something very important as a matter of fact i wish i had the opportunity
42:38to seat you on the other occasion that we have because this is what we are looking for
42:45we want to move trinidad and tobago because they are brilliant ideas they are brilliant minds among us
42:51in trinidad and tobago and it's not only it will not only reside with the person who may be holding
42:56with
42:56near an office yeah but persons right among us have very brilliant ideas and i want to thank you that
43:01don't feel for a moment that you i'm not receptive to what you are saying you are very on point
43:06but
43:06reference a person's understanding ethics and the rule of law to be able to complement psychosocial
43:12but may i suggest something to you as well that that psychosocial let me tell you social part of it
43:17the social part of it will accommodate the area that you are speaking about in terms of choices
43:26consequences of your actions and that of course will be hinged on understanding what you are
43:30governed by in terms of the rule of law and you know let's go into an area of ethics and
43:34morality so
43:35i just want to share that with you that your point is taken very solid and you know um i
43:40will definitely
43:41factor it into the person that we are choosing to come in the program with you be remiss of me
43:45if i do
43:45not contribute to your announcement of the trafficking in persons um yeah that day that you know that has
43:52been identified um from the united nations i want to say to you that that's a very significant and a
43:57crime a very heinous crime that goes to the dignity of the human being when the human being is exploited
44:04that's a very significant matter and i want to say that we have spoken about sex trafficking we have
44:09spoken about labor exploitation but here i want to go this afternoon very significantly this afternoon
44:13and i hope that the media houses are listening or the persons who will be subsequently writing articles
44:18i want to say to you all this afternoon that there's a form of exploitation where a person
44:23uses another person to move illegal items within borders and across borders and here why i'm going there
44:30we are we are face a very serious child facing a very serious challenge with gang and gang related activities
44:37and this the gang leaders and gang members
44:40the intelligence suggests that persons are holding firearms moving firearms holding ammunition moving
44:46ammunition these things are coming in my respective view within exploitation using persons to move
44:53within borders or across borders illegal items and if we are looking at trafficking the persons do not
44:59only take our mind to sex trafficking and labor exploitation it might be just before our eyes and
45:05perhaps we may be looking to bring down or disrupt a gang through murder to dangerous drug or gun trafficking
45:12but there are persons who may be held with firearms and ammunition and if you do a diligent inquiry they
45:17may
45:17tell you sir i have been asked to hold this firearm and ammunition to move this ammunition from point a
45:24to point b
45:24to perpetuate that crime let's look at that and let's be unique let's be thinking critically with reference
45:32how we're dealing with trafficking and persons and not be bugged down with what is the obvious
45:37labor and sex trafficking so i want to make that point this afternoon with me we need to take a
45:41quick
45:41break when we come back we'll continue with more
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47:28Trinidad and Tobago. A safer nation begins with you standing up, speaking out, and doing your part. As your commissioner
47:36of police, I am prepared to do my part. Are you prepared to do your part? Get on board. Are
47:43you on board?
47:43I am Bishop Ezekiel Clark, President of the Coover Police Station Community Council, and I am proud to say that
47:52I am on board with the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service in their fight against crime in Trinidad and Tobago.
47:59I am Pannis Dean Galston, and I am Pannis Johan Jockery, and crime prevention is everybody's business.
48:08Hi, I am Sajina Khadir, attorney at law and team lead for the attorneys for the TTPS Community Justice Clinic.
48:15We support the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service in the fight against crime.
48:19Crime prevention is everybody's business.
48:21I am Shiraz Khan. I am a farmer. I support the TTPS in the fight against crime.
48:27My name is Maldeth Maraj, President of the Shavonna's Chamber of Industry and Commerce.
48:32Crime fighting is everybody's business.
48:35We are all in one.
48:51And welcome back. We have a caller on the line. Caller, good evening.
48:54Hi, good evening.
48:56Good evening.
48:57Good evening.
48:57So, this question is both of y'all time. It's time for me to answer it.
49:01What are y'all views on these kill programs being closed down by the government?
49:10One.
49:10Two, do you think that any discussions or not enough discussions are being done or being covered,
49:20discussed in the parliament as it relates to the crime, gun violence, especially in this country?
49:29And as well as, is that too fast?
49:32As well as regards to the, and now I don't think the parliament are the one who has the power
49:39to discuss the judicial system.
49:41I don't mean the judiciary or the chief justice or however it goes necessarily.
49:45You would know, right?
49:46But do y'all think, honestly, that anything young people are being gone down on a daily basis,
49:54old people, people, home in Asians, right?
49:58Yet still, I personally, I'm not hearing anything at all as it relates to crime, gun violence,
50:05and these programs that are being closed down, not only young people get to experience it
50:14because my niece went to CCC, right?
50:19CCC has been closed.
50:21CCC has been a distance over 30 years.
50:23She's now a hairdresser slash new technician.
50:26I looked from her.
50:29I have my business currently.
50:31She has been.
50:33That is from starting from CCC.
50:35I would like you all to be brutally honest.
50:38This is Mr. Ali.
50:39I have a question for you.
50:41And do you, from your knowledge, does the executive of the police service have discussions with the minister of national
50:48security?
50:49I don't like this woman's security.
50:50Minister of national security.
50:53Like, probably there's questions to take back to the parliament as ways to deal with this crime.
50:59The police service alone cannot do it.
51:01And the police service gets blamed on a daily basis.
51:04We don't make the laws.
51:06I will listen to you.
51:08Thank you, Kola.
51:10Kola, you made me smile this afternoon.
51:13And, you know, I'm not easily moved.
51:15But you made me smile because, let's take the last point.
51:19You have basically signaled a very important or need for important communication between TTPS and the Ministry of Homeland Security.
51:32And it's something that I've been advocating for.
51:34To ensure that there's always the opportunity to be able to, you know, move legally the Honorable Minister of Homeland
51:42Security,
51:42to even the Minister of Defense, when there's a need to ensure that the Defense Force and the TTPS is
51:47always in hands
51:47and having the advantage in law to be able to respond to crime and criminality and defense matters, ensuring that
51:54aren't to be going on.
51:54So I think that's significant.
51:56You know, well said.
51:58With reference to the social programs, you know, I will say that I don't have the facts, the information,
52:03in relation to what may have impacted the interference of those social programs.
52:09But what I will say is that, you know, one will expect that there's, you know, expeditious review,
52:15if in fact there's a need for review, to look at transparency and accountability,
52:19and to ensure that these programs are, if not, you know, reenacted, you know,
52:26if there are actions that need to be taken to reshape it to ensure that it fulfills purpose,
52:30then one will be expecting that, again, it's done in a timely manner so that persons are not placed in
52:36a situation of vulnerability,
52:37and you have identified the value or the benefit that has arisen where you are concerned on other persons.
52:43So, you know, I think that you have contributed to the conversation.
52:46I am aware that there are very high office holders who listen to this program,
52:49and, you know, I'm certain that you would have moved them to say,
52:52listen, if we are not thinking about moving expeditiously, time is of the essence,
52:56because our nation, youths, cannot be exposed to a level of vulnerability
53:01when we are fighting to prevent crime and criminality in Trinidad and Tobago.
53:04We must give them every opportunity, and the minister spoke about it yesterday.
53:08He spoke about the barbering, both for the male and the hairdressing course for the female,
53:12you know, engaging in trade, because everybody may not be inclined,
53:16and we have heard that many times, to be an academic.
53:18But we might seem to bring it back, I guess.
53:19So, you know, we have seen hints of it, but, you know, I'm happy that you brought it to this
53:24platform,
53:25that the persons who are responsible for looking at those programs, time is of the essence.
53:31Yeah, I hope that they're able to find a way, and I love to deal with information and stats,
53:36and not just opinion and feeling with regards to what the caller said.
53:40Now, based on the information I have before me right now, according to the Daily Express,
53:44now the data, she's speaking of, you know, going to the judiciary and those that be who may sit in
53:51the positions to change certain things,
53:53based on the information that we have here, data sourced from the police commissioners,
53:58Comstat figures, the Honourable Prime Minister, Kamala Bissar-Bissar, stated with the information she got,
54:03it is showing that it has been 118 fewer murders under the present government that we have now.
54:11And also, when it starts, they broke down, which she made it very clear that we saw in different divisions
54:17compared to 2025,
54:19we saw slight lower numbers in murders, all right?
54:25Along with what I am also seeing here from the 2026 figure compared to 2024,
54:31some of the most significant declines occurring in the Port of Spain and Central Division,
54:37which is a 62% decrease that we're seeing happening.
54:41And as of the month of July 20th this year, compared with 61 during the same period in 2024,
54:50a reduction of 38 murders, or approximately, as we say, 62% that was down.
54:55Now, if you want to see more of it, you can go on the Daily Express to see.
54:59And, of course, you can give us a call.
55:01We have a caller on the line at this time.
55:03Caller, good evening.
55:04Good evening.
55:05Good evening, ma'am.
55:06You're the final caller.
55:07Good evening to you, ma'am.
55:09No, just you don't have a lot of nice hair thing in your hair today,
55:13but you don't really look very, very good.
55:16Any else?
55:18I want to ask a question that my course shows.
55:22Why is it that it's mostly only one race of people that do all the crap, or am I wrong?
55:29Repeat that?
55:32Pardon me?
55:32Repeat what you said.
55:34Why is it that it's mostly only one race of people that do all the crap, or am I wrong?
55:40Is it a loss of something in families?
55:44Is it how can we fix this problem?
55:47All right.
55:49Thank you very much, Kola.
56:04You're the expert here.
56:05And I'm not in a position to answer that particular question.
56:08I know other persons may have been taking a particular position, but I want to be careful,
56:12and I hope that you respect that position.
56:15But thank you very much for your contribution, your participation this afternoon.
56:20All right.
56:21So, Mr. Ali, our attorney, our director, our host of Deep Dive, thank you for being here,
56:27and of course, doing your best when it comes to answering some of the legal questions that persons need clarity.
56:33And of course, each and every Tuesday after the news, which is at 8, get ready for Deep Dive with
56:40Mr. Ali,
56:41and you don't know who's going to be here with us next.
56:43We get ready for news up next at 7.
56:45Be safe, continue being hard targets.
56:47God bless.
56:48We're out.
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