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00:00I did mention the Shador side of things, and I just want to enjoy the kid
00:06that plays on our team here, all right?
00:08I just – I get it.
00:10Like, I've had players that I've gone in and said, not on my team,
00:15don't care for it, the James Harden thing.
00:17So I'm not above this sort of thing.
00:20But, like, the Rex Ryan thing in and of itself – guys,
00:24Rex is just talking out his ass.
00:25Rex saw a picture of Shador – surrounded by Shador jerseys
00:31and had no idea that that was at a Shador event that was free for the 500 kids
00:35that attended, had no – like, I know Boog sent out this whole tweet,
00:39one of Shador's guys, about what Shador did to get back to this event
00:43because he was having a problem.
00:44Paying for a private jet, everything in between, yeah.
00:46And, like, Rex doesn't want to see that.
00:48All Rex sees is the picture at face value, which is Shador in a photo op.
00:54And for some reason, Rex Ryan cannot let go of that.
00:59But what – like, that in and of itself was enough to then the Shador Wars
01:05crank up to volume 11.
01:07I was like, we're doing it over that?
01:09Well, this is just more proof that he's damned if he does, damned if he don't, right?
01:13Like, this is just – his whole existence can be basically summed up
01:17with what you've seen over the past 24 hours and how people discuss Shador Sanders.
01:21He cannot get the win no matter what he does.
01:25You host a camp for 500 kids to make the community better
01:28and give a lot of kids a happy moment and something they'll cherish.
01:30This makes a lot of kids summers.
01:32And the response is, well, if I was still the head coach,
01:36you wouldn't be doing this, you wouldn't be doing that,
01:38you wouldn't be doing this, you wouldn't be – like, the man just can't win.
01:41And that's fine.
01:42That's a lot of the Shador discussion is just people that just want to –
01:45I mean, what kind of lengths could he take this to?
01:47Well, what realistically could he do that would still get people to gripe?
01:51Because this is just how it always works with him.
01:52It's ridiculous.
01:53Well, but see, that's – so I actually don't have a problem with Rex Ryan.
01:58I just recognize he's of a generation that I am not of.
02:02Meaning, even though I'm not of Shador's generation,
02:05I've watched this young generation come along with technology.
02:09I see it with my kids who are a bit younger than Shador,
02:11and I go, oh, everybody wants to be an influencer,
02:16and some people are immensely good at it, and that's just –
02:19I don't want to say it's their side hustle,
02:22but that's just another revenue stream that I don't –
02:25I might not prioritize it, but I see why he does.
02:29I think Rex is just generationally challenged here.
02:31Well, I think that's the other part of this, though,
02:33is that, like, every other quarterback does this.
02:36But even if he – listen, this is just what his hobby is.
02:39Like, why isn't Rex Ryan out here talking about Patrick Mahomes
02:42being at the FIFA World Cup over the weekend?
02:44Why?
02:44Because it's a ridiculous thing to point out.
02:46It's like, well, okay, because that's just –
02:48that's Patrick Mahomes' hobby.
02:49It's something he likes to do.
02:50And maybe it takes his mind off of it.
02:52Shador, this is just a – it's a hobby for him to create.
02:55And whether that's music, whether that's video, whatever that is,
02:58like, it's all just his hobby because he puts it out there
03:00for people to consume and somehow worse.
03:02I mean, I – listen, I –
03:04I just don't understand it.
03:04So I agree with you.
03:05I think the devil's advocate, if I'm trying to see their side of things,
03:09I'm not, but just to play along here, I think the point is
03:13there's a difference of attending a soccer match
03:15and having a crew follow you around, documenting every step
03:19and making sure people know everything you're doing.
03:21I just don't see it.
03:22Like, if the argument is that the time you're spent doing that
03:24is time you're not working on football, and so that's the problem,
03:27if you're spending five hours going to a FIFA soccer match
03:31and then you're spending five hours, let's say, getting photographed
03:34in front of your own jerseys because you want to make some cool content,
03:37five hours is five hours, is it not?
03:39I think it's – I think there's a – it's the right word.
03:43I think there's a depiction of Shador as being more interested in fame
03:48than he is in football.
03:49I don't think it's fair, but I think that's maybe what Rex is hitting with,
03:53with this specific thing about this specific picture
03:56in front of a bunch of his own jerseys.
03:58I don't understand that at all.
03:59Again, like, if it's your own free time, who cares how you try to monopolize it,
04:04how you try to take care of it?
04:05And on top of that, even within Mahomes, you tell me he didn't have photos taken?
04:09How do you think I knew that he was at the FIFA World Cup?
04:11He had all sorts of photos on Instagram of him being there
04:13and people documenting him being there.
04:16I think there is a – and I don't think it's fair, by the way,
04:18but I think there is a level of expectation for quarterbacks
04:22that you have to live a monastic life
04:24and that if you do anything outside of eating, sleeping, and deucing football,
04:31you're somehow not a good leader.
04:33And again, I don't think that's how young athletes think.
04:35I watched this weekend.
04:36I watched Cam Ward sit down with an interview with Joe Hayden,
04:39and they were talking about Shador Sanders.
04:41That's how it came across my feed.
04:42So in the time that he was spending just doing an interview with Joe Hayden,
04:46should he have been doing something else?
04:47I'm not going at you, obviously.
04:48I'm going at the idea that Rex Ryan is just nitpicking on this,
04:51on the one hobby that he thinks he can latch on to and say,
04:54well, this is a problem.
04:55You know how many hours are in the day?
04:58How many things you can accomplish that's outside of football
05:00while still doing a whole productive football day?
05:03And football isn't the grind that it was 20 years ago.
05:08Like, you don't practice the same way.
05:11You know what I mean?
05:11Like, in terms of, like, the commitment from the team.
05:14Shador still has the physical commitment to himself
05:17to be the best version of himself and study as much as possible.
05:20But where you and I are simpatico with this is
05:23there's more than enough hours in the day to have business interests
05:27and then football interests.
05:28We know because every damn football player in the NFL,
05:33almost every quarterback in the NFL, is doing something,
05:36even if it's not the exact same degree or the same way Shador's doing it.
05:40Yeah, I mean, no question.
05:42Like, I mean, there's just different ways of going about doing it,
05:47and there's different ways that you can.
05:48And I understand that some people are just going to be pissed
05:51no matter what Shador does.
05:52Clearly, this is all that is.
05:55It just doesn't make any sense to me.
05:56We have a million hours that you can go ahead and do whatever you want
05:59outside of football while still taking care of football stuff.
06:01I've made this point before, and so I don't want to belabor it.
06:04I think Shador is paying for being this version of influencer quarterback,
06:10and it's not even about what he did this weekend or last week.
06:14It's about the totality of it and how old-school guys like Rex Ryan think,
06:19and I think they're thinking of a different football that no longer exists.
06:24Shador's going to get a lot of crap for things that five years from now,
06:28ten years from now, we're just going to accept for almost all other quarterbacks
06:32in the NFL.
06:33I mean, I'm just trying to go through the different amount of quarterbacks
06:35that were doing things at Fanatics Fest this weekend.
06:37I saw Joe Burrow consistently pop up over there.
06:39I saw the amount of quarterbacks that are doing it.
06:42This is all part of the game now.
06:43You know that, and it's fine that Rex doesn't know that.
06:46I guess the argument or the wonder you would have is if it's 63-year-old Rex Ryan
06:50that has this problem, does our head coach that's 59 years old
06:54also think the same way that he does?
06:55I would be surprised if he did just given that this is all part and parcel
07:00what happened with Shador in college.
07:02This isn't surprising anyone that he's continued it in the NFL.
07:06Well, that's why it shouldn't be surprising to Rex Ryan.
07:08That's like today of all days.
07:09I get it.
07:09He's searching for content.
07:10We don't have anything for a couple weeks before we get the football grind going.
07:13I bet he is searching for content.
07:15It's real intense here.
07:16Oh, yeah.
07:17People are fired up.
07:18Do they know what to fight over, or what's the difference here?
07:21I think it's kind of just a general Danny Shelton pile, and just people are kind of throwing
07:27some people are arguing about Shador, other people are arguing about LeBron
07:30and how long this is taking.
07:33I think it was the obvious choice or obvious chance.
07:36That's his handle.
07:37That's not his real name.
07:39Saying, can LeBron just hurry up and retire already?
07:42And it's like, you might be the one guy that's most disappointed
07:45when the announcement finally comes down.
07:47Well, this is nice for a Monday then.
07:48I like to see people fired up on a Monday.
07:51Everyone thinks Monday is just kind of like ease your way into the week.
07:54Not for our chat.
07:55Well, not for...
07:57Not unless LeBron really wants to kick it up a notch here.
08:00Well, it might happen.
08:02I mean, I have zero idea when he's going to make this decision, obviously,
08:05because I have zero idea what the decision is.
08:07Right now, I know we're getting killed on old Pauly Market.
08:09Oh, gosh.
08:10You know, take that for a grain of salt, I guess.
08:13Yeah.
08:13We can debate.
08:14We can debate about when this is going to be, though.
08:16We can figure this out later on in the show.
08:17We will, and we've got nothing else to do when it comes to LeBron conversation.
08:22I mean, we have done a lot of them.
08:24Also, how do we feel about late choice by Matt Corrale in his updates?
08:28Heard it.
08:28Didn't love it.
08:29You can throw away with anything.
08:30It's almost like the lazy man's way of saying LeBron James in any sort of decision he has to make.
08:36Yeah.
08:36And the LeBron-versation?
08:38Also not great.
08:39Come on.
08:40That's better.
08:41No.
08:41Well, you don't like LeBron-versation.
08:43You don't like Kwan-versation.
08:45No, the problem is you're turning everything into, if it involves a conversation, you're
08:48turning everything into that.
08:50I turn two things into it.
08:51Not everything.
08:52Two things.
08:53And they flow.
08:54Do we not sense the beginning of a trend?
08:56LeBron-versation.
08:57It's not the beginning of a trend.
08:58If I let you off the hook for LeBron-versation, then before you know when everything's going
09:02to end with a versation.
09:03What's another versation that I could add here?
09:05You'll come up with it.
09:06Shador-versation?
09:07Doesn't make sense.
09:08You'll come up with it.
09:09That sounds hack.
09:10Shador-versation.
09:11Ridiculous.
09:12Yeah.
09:13You sound closer to an intervention than we do to any kind of Kwan-versation you want
09:16to have.
09:17Like you've ever had an intervention and you know what that sounds like, Mac.
09:20Come on.
09:22Deshaun-versation?
09:23It wouldn't fit.
09:24Kwan-versation and LeBron-versation.
09:26Are you arguing his credentials in an intervention?
09:28Yes.
09:29He made an analogy.
09:31He knows how life exists.
09:31He knows how an intervention works.
09:33Has he watched the show Intervention?
09:35I loved that show.
09:36Okay.
09:36That show was so underrated.
09:38I loved that show.
09:40Did a part of you feel like maybe a little jealous that nobody had intervened on you yet?
09:44No, we're okay.
09:45Okay.
09:46No, but it was always weird that I enjoyed the alcohol ones more than I enjoyed the other
09:51ones.
09:51And I don't know what that says about me.
09:53Did you just like, you maybe like felt like more in line with those folks?
09:57I just always thought they were more creative about how they went about their business.
10:01You know what I mean?
10:01They seemed less sloppy.
10:03I mean, they're sloppy, but they seemed less sloppy all things considered.
10:06There was something more interesting about.
10:07And also, they were the least likely to be like, all right, let's get on this plane
10:10and go.
10:11Yeah.
10:11You know, like some of the other ones.
10:13Oh, you wanted to really know, like, all right.
10:15Well, they always tried to weasel out of it in some sort of way.
10:17You know, like the meth heads were pretty typically like, all right, I get it.
10:20Yeah.
10:21And surprised you didn't do this earlier was always their response.
10:24I've just been waiting on you guys.
10:25Yeah.
10:25The alcoholics, they were always shocked by it.
10:27It was always like, I don't even believe this is happening right now.
10:31Far better television.
10:32I really kind of kind of shocking that was on TV for as long as it was, because it just
10:38seems really personal.
10:39But I was right there.
10:40I was right there.
10:41Front row.
10:42I love that show.
10:42So the LeBronversation continues here, as does the Kwanversation and the Shadorversation.
10:47Now I'm doing it just to spite you.
10:50It's okay.
10:50So while we're having this conversation, I do think we kind of have to address Shador's
10:56comments to the Cleveland media.
10:58Again, he met with the kids yesterday and talked about all the many ways in which he
11:03improved since last season.
11:05I would say, if you talk to me, do you feel like I improved?
11:10Okay.
11:10So I improved in that.
11:11I improved in that space.
11:13I would say overall, everything I improved.
11:15I would say the way I sleep, the way I breathe, the way I drink water, the way I do
11:21everything
11:21in my life, I improved.
11:22So everything improved.
11:24So you think he's actually better at drinking water?
11:26I would hope so.
11:27I love that he thinks that it's a skill that you can get better at.
11:31How does one get better at drinking water?
11:33Do you slow it down?
11:34Is this like a chugging thing?
11:36How do you even track that you're getting better at drinking water?
11:38Or maybe, maybe did Shador just get like one of those rings that tell you like on your
11:43finger that tell you.
11:44Yeah, to tell you like everything that's going on in your life.
11:46And like lately, he's been knocking out of the park.
11:48He's like, yeah, I am.
11:49I'm less dehydrated.
11:51Maybe that's what he meant there.
11:51I'm less dehydrated.
11:52That's true.
11:53My sleep is better.
11:55When you go to the bathroom, it's clear white?
11:57Or is that not a good thing?
11:58I think that's also not a good thing.
11:59Well, you don't want to be that clear white.
12:00You want a tint of yellow, I think.
12:01That's what they say.
12:02You just don't want dark yellow.
12:03That's what they say.
12:04You don't want like Pittsburgh Steelers colored yellow.
12:06Yeah, that's not good.
12:07Yeah.
12:07Yeah, that's not good at all.
12:08Mac?
12:08I just appreciated the pause that he said where he was like, I got better at drinking
12:13water throughout this offseason.
12:14I mean, come on now.
12:15What else?
12:16Giving it a step there.
12:17I want to make sure people knew he wasn't talking about alcohol.
12:20That's a young man in a kid's game.
12:21I don't think Shador drinks.
12:23Why do you think that?
12:24Because you haven't seen him do it.
12:25I'm pretty sure he's talked about that.
12:26I don't think he drinks alcohol.
12:28No?
12:28No.
12:28I feel like if anyone would know it, you would know it at the station.
12:31I don't know why I have that in my brain, but I have that in my brain.
12:33You haven't seen him on the rehab show yet?
12:36They all went to some, and when they were in Miami, they all went to some restaurant together.
12:40Did you see that video?
12:41And there was women dancing up on the stage, but it wasn't, like, it was kind of that.
12:44It was like scantily clad, and I'm like, who's taping this?
12:47What's going on?
12:48But then they were serving like a real meal, and they were just kind of going around the
12:51room.
12:53The look that Deshaun was giving these dancers.
12:55I don't know, guys.
12:56I don't know.
12:58So I guess we should be on Deshaun Watch.
13:00I don't know.
13:0126-474-0092.
13:03But I didn't see an alcohol drink by Shador there.
13:05We did talk about Rex Ryan's criticism of Shador Sanders.
13:08I don't think it's fair.
13:09I think it's a guy separated from Shador and separated from the position of head coach.
13:15Like, Rex hasn't been a head coach in about 13 years now.
13:18Actually, less than that.
13:19About a decade.
13:20I don't expect Rex to have a beeline to go ahead and, you know, really understand what
13:25the modern-day athlete is about.
13:27But you said this doesn't give you pause or anything that Todd Munkin would feel anything
13:30close to the same way.
13:31And maybe I just, we haven't spent enough time around Munkin to know, really.
13:35It's all generalizations because it's just, we're just so new with this with Munkin.
13:39And then everything we know off of 2019 apparently just did not exist.
13:42That's just like a past Munkin that just does not, it doesn't come up in a, because he was
13:46grumpy and he was upset and he didn't want to be there because Freddy Kitchen sucks
13:49and it was what it was.
13:50So I give him a lot of pass for 2019, but why do you feel like he's different than,
13:55let's say, Rex Ryan outside of the obvious?
13:57Because he wanted to draft, he was part of the contingent that wanted to draft Shador in
14:01Baltimore.
14:02And I think if he had massive issues with that, we would have heard about that by now, right?
14:07I mean, I don't know.
14:09I like to, I tend to think you're right in that I don't think Todd Munkin, because he
14:13never, he doesn't come across like some sort of, I don't want to call it an old geezer,
14:17but like, let's be honest, right, Rex Ryan seems like somebody that is just kind of out
14:20of touch with all this right now.
14:21He hasn't come across that way.
14:23He kind of just comes across like, if you can play football, I don't care what you do
14:26in life.
14:27He almost goes to the extreme on the other end now, but he did care about Swords being
14:31the gambling allegation.
14:33So I clearly, he cares about something off the field.
14:35Does he not?
14:36Yes.
14:37I would say gambling and taking videos in front of jerseys are, you know, pretty wide golf
14:42between the two.
14:42I would think so as well.
14:44But like, I'm establishing the idea that he cares about something.
14:47At some point, he does care about something when it comes to a line that can cross.
14:51And I just don't know.
14:51I don't know where that is for Munkin.
14:53We don't know Munkin well enough to know.
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