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This episode of News Today covers the Sansad Chalo march in Delhi, where students protesting the NEET paper leak and National Testing Agency oversight clashed with police near Jantar Mantar. Incidents of stone pelting, tear gas, and lathi charges resulted in injuries and the dispersal of crowds at India Gate, Rajiv Chowk, and Connaught Place. A delegation from the Cockroach Janta Party met a Union minister to demand the education minister’s resignation, compensation for families of NEET aspirants who died by suicide, and the release of an activist on hunger strike. Panellists debate government dialogue, examination reform, and the right to protest. The bulletin reports on Parliament adjournments, Jammu and Kashmir statehood protests, floods, a police officer’s death, and West Asia tensions. In sports, Spain defeated Argentina 1-0 in extra time to secure the FIFA World Cup victory. Analysts discuss Spain’s possession tactics, the goal in minute 106, and the future of an Argentina player.
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00:00Good evening, hello and welcome. You're with the news today. This is your primetime destination news,
00:05newsmakers, talking points Monday night and we have a big focus tonight.
00:09Should the Modi government be engaging with the youth protesters who have hit the street?
00:14The Kokrut Janata Party chief spokesperson Saurav Das will be joining me.
00:19What happened in that meeting between him and the minister J.P. Nanda?
00:23Also, Shabana Azmi, who has endorsed the protests, will tell us about youth anger
00:28and why she believes it must be respected.
00:31And my other guests include the one and only Baichung Bhutia on Spain's famous World Cup win.
00:38News without the noise. Let's get cracking with the nine headlines at nine tonight.
00:43High drama in the national capital during the Sansa Chalo protest launched by the Kokrut Janata Party
00:50and student protesters. Police use Lati's tear gas to disperse the crowd.
00:56Incidents of stone felting also reported over 50 police personnel injured.
01:02CJP claims several of the student protesters have suffered injuries too.
01:10Amidst the showdown on the street, the CJP delegation meets union minister J.P. Nanda,
01:16demands education minister Darmendra Pradhan's resignation
01:19and Sonam Wangchuk's release from hospital without any prohibition.
01:28Abhijit Deepke of the CJP breaks fast but Wangchuk to continue with his hunger strike.
01:35Daddy High Court to hear his wife's plea again tomorrow.
01:38Doctors treating him asked to appear before the court.
01:46Stormy start to the monsoon session of parliament.
01:49Opposition demands discussion on Neek paper leak and Chanda Chori Rao.
01:53Massive ruckus leads to adjournment of both houses.
01:59Political battle over Jammu and Kashmir statehood now reaches the national capital.
02:04National Conference Chief Faruk Abdullah and son Omar Abdullah lead a statehood protest in Delhi.
02:13Relentless rains unleashed devastating floods across JNK.
02:17Chief Minister Omar Abdullah's chair's high-level flood review meet says
02:20saving lives remains government's top priority.
02:26Tripura DGP Anurag Ghankar found dead at his office in Agartala today.
02:30Preliminary reports suggest that the senior IFPS officer allegedly died by suicide.
02:37Amid escalating tensions in West Asia, Houthis declare a naval blockade on Saudi Arabia site.
02:43An eye for an eye retaliation move after both nations launch missiles on each other.
02:50And Spain are the new FIFA World Cup champions.
02:54Lionel Messi fails to secure back-to-back World Cup titles for Argentina.
02:58Rodri is Man of the Tournament.
03:01Rodri is Man of the Tournament.
03:13Rodri is Man of the Tournament.
03:14Let me turn to tonight's top story.
03:17What began as a chalo sunset march turned into a day of dramatic clashes in the heart of the national
03:23capital.
03:24Tear gas, police action, protesters spilt across the capital.
03:29And finally, the Modi government even opened talks with the Kokhrut Janata Party.
03:34All of this, of course, on the first day of the monsoon session of Parliament.
03:38The big story, whether the youth anger demanding the resignation of the education minister over the neat paper leaks
03:45and indeed a general sense of dissatisfaction with the education system is here to stay or is it momentary?
03:53Let's take a look first at how the day unfolded today.
03:58Take a look.
04:17The Kokhrut Janata Party's Chalo Sunset protest march on Monday spiraled into one of the most volatile standoffs the national
04:26capital has seen in recent times.
04:34Thousands of youngsters reached Jantar Mantar early in the day to take part in the march.
04:43The police clamped down in preparation, shutting down internet in the area and closing metro stations in the vicinity.
04:52The authorities had already imposed prohibitory orders under Section 163 of the BNSS in the New Delhi district.
05:03Around 10.20 a.m., the first reports of Lathi charge came.
05:20As crowds swelled, protesters tried to break through barricades and the police fired tear gas shells.
05:27So, you can see, you can see the rear cover, which will have to try to use tear gas, which
05:45was named after the common mica.
05:45As you can see, we are observing the other cars in the military district.
05:45The police are following in the direction of the railway station.
05:47The rail is there.
05:49The border half is in front of the sunset field.
06:00As protesters raged outside, parliament's security was tightened.
06:04Some gates were shut.
06:08The crackdown meant the crowds dispersed.
06:14We want accountability. I'm a medical student myself.
06:17So we just want accountability. We want him to resign.
06:19You want the education minister to go.
06:22Of course, 100%.
06:22We're not scared. It's just that there was tear gas out there, which is why we had to move.
06:26This is a very natural reaction to tear gas. Nobody's scared.
06:29We are students. We are just normal students.
06:32They're doing this to us.
06:34We just want one thing.
06:37That Dharmendra Pradhan, he was not able to do his job properly.
06:40We just want his resignation. That's all.
06:44Protesters shifted to other locations,
06:46like India Gate, Rajiv Chowk Metro Station, cannot place.
06:53Even as both sides claimed injuries,
06:56the police urged protesters to maintain peace.
07:26During the day, many opposition leaders,
07:29joined the protests to show solidarity.
07:33The Narendra Modi government reached out to the protesters for the first time.
07:37Union Health Minister J.P. Nada met CJP's spokesperson,
07:41Saurabh Das and Ashutosh Ranka.
07:44The CJP made three demands.
07:47Release of Sonam Vangchuk with no prohibition of his movements.
07:52Resignation of Education Minister Dharmendra Pradhan
07:54and 1 crore rupees compensation to families of all NEET aspirants
07:59who died by suicide following the paper leak this year.
08:10Away from the cameras, another meeting took place
08:13between Home Minister Amit Shah and Dharmendra Pradhan.
08:16This one lasted more than three hours,
08:19but what transpired is not known.
08:24Activist Sonam Vangchuk remained in hospital.
08:27His wife Gitanjali said he would end his fast
08:30if political leaders met him
08:32and assured that the issue of accountability in education
08:36would be raised in Parliament.
08:39Meanwhile, CJP chief Abhijit Deepke,
08:42who had gone on a hunger strike after the detention of Vangchuk,
08:46ended his fast.
08:50The march that saw thousands participate
08:53was the first to take place in the heart of the capital
08:56since the Nirbhaya and the Anahazare Andolans.
09:01With Preeti Chaudhary, Mausmi Singh,
09:04Piyush Mishra, Ashwarya Paliwal
09:06and Shivani, Bureau Report, India Today.
09:13My first guest, who I spoke to a short while ago,
09:16is Saurav Das, one of the chief spokespersons
09:19of the Kokhrut Janata Party.
09:21Saurav, appreciate you joining us.
09:22I know these are tough times for you.
09:24You're just out of hospital
09:25where you met Sonam Vangchuk.
09:28And do you want to tell us
09:31where your protests stand as of now?
09:34We are talking late this evening.
09:36Will these protests continue into tomorrow?
09:38Will Sonam Vangchuk's fast continue?
09:41What's the status on that front, Saurav?
09:44Saurav, can you give us an update first?
09:48Saurav, can you give us an update first?
09:49See, as of now, the fast also continues.
09:53And the protest also continues.
09:56So, the police has completely destroyed
09:58Jantramantar protest site
10:01where our stage was,
10:03where everything was set up.
10:04So, the police has completely destroyed that place.
10:08So, right now,
10:09we are right next to that protest site
10:11in the Jantramantar road,
10:13very close to Kerala house.
10:15That is where we are stationed.
10:16And there are hundreds of people
10:19who are sitting in peacefully.
10:21And the police is probably trying to move them
10:24at this point.
10:25But everybody is fearless
10:27and they know they are on the right side.
10:30But the police claims, Saurav,
10:32that the protest turned violent at some stage,
10:34both in the morning and then later in the afternoon.
10:36There was stone pelting.
10:37We can see visuals of that.
10:39Policemen have been injured.
10:40The police says they will file cases
10:42against those responsible.
10:43Who were these people?
10:45I mean, did the protest,
10:46which turned violent for a while
10:48and led to tear gassing,
10:50who were the people responsible for this violence?
10:53Were they from the CJP or from somewhere else?
10:59Last night, Ashutosh Ranka had tweeted
11:03that, you know,
11:04there was a very old van
11:07which was stationed very close to Jantramantar
11:09where, you know,
11:11our volunteers had found
11:13many, many bags with stones.
11:15So we had put that out on social media as well.
11:18And when we met the police in the morning,
11:21we told the DCP
11:22that there is a suspicious van like this
11:24with a lot of stones in it.
11:26So we don't know who placed it there.
11:28We informed the police
11:31at night itself,
11:32but then they didn't take any action
11:34until we personally met the DCP
11:36and told him this in the early morning.
11:39You know, you're saying that there was a van there
11:42with stones since last night
11:43which you had informed the cops,
11:45but isn't it possible
11:47that there were anti-social elements,
11:49people who had nothing to do
11:50with your original protest
11:53over Dharmendra Pradhan's resignation
11:54who have now infiltrated this protest.
11:57That could be possible, isn't it?
12:01As is with any protest,
12:03the same script is repeated again and again.
12:07Antisocial elements might as well
12:09have tried to, you know,
12:10derail the protest,
12:11but overall the protest was very peaceful.
12:15Of course, protests,
12:16there were a lot, lot of protesters.
12:19Some numbers say there were about
12:20a lack of protesters
12:21who were at New Delhi district.
12:23And I'm told the protests are still going on,
12:26not just in Jantar Mantar premises,
12:29but also at Janpath and Cannot Place.
12:32So, you know,
12:34it was no longer about CJP only,
12:36it was all Sonam Vangchuk only.
12:38It was about the larger dissatisfaction
12:40with this government and its policies.
12:42You know, that's interesting.
12:43You're saying that the protests
12:44are no longer about Sonam Vangchuk
12:46or CJP and its demands only,
12:48but you and Ashutosh Ranka
12:50met J.P. Nadda,
12:52the BJP leader and union minister.
12:54And many are questioning
12:55what prompted you all to go
12:57and meet the ministers
12:58at a time when your fellow protesters
13:00were out on a march.
13:02Was this an attempt by the government
13:04to reach out to you belatedly
13:06or was it you who reached out to the government?
13:08Can you explain this meeting that took place
13:10and what happened at your meeting with Mr. Nadda?
13:15See, we've been trying to talk
13:17with the government from day one.
13:18From the day one of a certain protest
13:20on 20th June,
13:22we told the police that, you know,
13:25they should be opening a communication channel
13:26with the government.
13:28However, the issue is, you know,
13:31as is with any other protest,
13:32the government simply does not want to
13:35listen to us,
13:36listen to the protesters' demands.
13:39They don't want to engage with anyone.
13:41They don't like dissent at all.
13:43But however, you know,
13:44we consider it a major, major victory
13:46for our protest, for our movement,
13:48that the government itself
13:50reached out to us last evening
13:53and was making attempts to, you know,
13:56get one of its representatives
13:58to talk to us.
13:59They initially started
14:01with the district magistrate,
14:02but we said that, you know,
14:04he has absolutely no powers
14:05over the issues that we are protesting about.
14:08And we were very adamant
14:09about meeting the prime minister.
14:11However, we settled on a senior minister
14:13and that's how we met J.P. Nadda.
14:16But what happened at that meeting?
14:19Are you still sticking to your demands
14:21for the education minister's resignation?
14:23Is that the core demand
14:25that is sustaining the agitation?
14:26Because the government seems to have ruled that out.
14:31All the kind of brutality
14:33that we saw today
14:34from the administration side,
14:36it has only resolved,
14:39it has made our resolve even stronger.
14:42It has made our demand even stronger.
14:45We are asking
14:46that Dharmendra Pradhan
14:47be sacked
14:48from the cabinet immediately.
14:50Along with that,
14:51we have demanded
14:51that Sonam Vangchuk
14:52be released
14:53from the hospital.
14:54And number three,
14:55we have asked
14:56that all families
14:57whose children have died
14:59by suicide
15:01who need aspirants,
15:02all of them
15:03should be getting
15:03one crore compensation each.
15:05So we have put forward
15:07these demands
15:07before J.P. Nadda
15:09in a letter
15:10and orally also.
15:11We were in his office
15:12at his residence
15:14for about four hours
15:15out of which
15:15we met only for 15 minutes.
15:18and we are yet
15:19to hear from them
15:20which is unfortunate,
15:22you know.
15:23So, Hal,
15:24when you met,
15:25did Mr. Nadda
15:26give you any assurances
15:27on these three demands
15:28that you put before him?
15:32He has assured us
15:33that he'll discuss it
15:34with his senior cabinet members.
15:38I'm assuming
15:38that would be Modi and Shah
15:40because that is where
15:41all the power is centralized.
15:44So, but after,
15:46he hasn't committed
15:47anything as of now.
15:49It's 8, 11 p.m.
15:51and we haven't heard
15:52from him at all.
15:53You know, Saurabh,
15:54there will be those though
15:55who will say,
15:56are you blackmailing
15:57or trying to blackmail
15:58the government?
15:59You cannot expect
15:59any government
16:00to decide on
16:01the resignation
16:01of a minister
16:02based on street protests
16:04or what the
16:04Kokhruj Janata Party wants.
16:06How do you respond to that?
16:08Are you blackmailing
16:09this government
16:09at the moment
16:10with these street protests?
16:13But does the government
16:15have powers
16:16to take away
16:16lives of 20 plus
16:17need students
16:18who died at their hands
16:19due to their broken
16:20corrupt education system?
16:22Do they take permission
16:23from all of us
16:24when it comes to issues
16:25of such nature?
16:27They haven't made
16:27a great education system.
16:29The education system
16:30is failing these children
16:32and when they are
16:33out on the streets,
16:33it's their democratic duty
16:35to listen to them,
16:36engage with them
16:37and listen
16:37and implement
16:39whatever they demand
16:40to the extent possible.
16:41But to take
16:43a completely
16:45deaf and dumb
16:46approach
16:47to protesters,
16:48what would
16:49ultimately happen?
16:50People would show up
16:51in large numbers
16:51on the roads
16:52and that is what
16:53has happened today.
16:54So are you telling me
16:55therefore based on
16:56what I am hearing
16:57from you
16:57that your resolve
16:58is strengthened,
16:58the protests continue,
17:00the dharna,
17:00the fasts
17:01in some form
17:02will continue
17:03come tomorrow morning?
17:04Are you going to
17:05now go back
17:06to the streets
17:06and will we see
17:08similar scenes
17:09or have you all
17:09pressed a pause button
17:11till you hear
17:12from the government?
17:15See, our protest
17:17is continuing
17:18at the moment.
17:19We are hearing,
17:20we are waiting
17:21to hear from the government
17:22and we will take
17:23a decision
17:24after we hear
17:25from them
17:26or don't hear
17:27from them.
17:28We are still waiting.
17:28But the movement
17:30will definitely continue
17:32in any case.
17:33The movement
17:33is about
17:34not just
17:35exam paper leaks
17:36education sector reforms
17:37but about
17:38every youth-centric
17:40issue
17:41in the country
17:42today.
17:43So we will be
17:43going nationwide,
17:45we will be
17:45talking to
17:46the young people
17:47of this country,
17:48hearing them out
17:49and bring something,
17:51some great manifesto
17:52for them
17:53in the new future.
17:56Let me ask you
17:57one final question.
17:58You know,
17:58there are your critics
17:59who say that
18:00the CJP
18:00has been formed
18:01as a front
18:02for some political
18:03party or the other.
18:04I have heard
18:05congressmen in particular
18:06off the record
18:06telling me,
18:07you know,
18:07this was part
18:08of the deep state.
18:09Some even say
18:10that the BJP
18:11has propped you up
18:11and that the CJP
18:13is out to undermine
18:14the Congress
18:14and Rahul Gandhi's
18:15efforts to raise
18:16the issue
18:16of need paper leaks.
18:17That there is
18:18something not quite
18:19right about this
18:20movement.
18:20How do you
18:21respond to your
18:22critics?
18:25Rajdeep,
18:26it's quite funny
18:26because none of
18:27these narratives
18:28have stuck to us.
18:31For the past
18:31two months
18:32since we've been
18:32alive,
18:34there have been
18:34narratives about
18:35us getting
18:36foreign funding,
18:37funding from
18:37Soros,
18:38Pakistan,
18:39Bangladesh,
18:40doubts about
18:41our intentions
18:42on what we
18:42want to do.
18:44There were,
18:44you know,
18:44several jokes
18:45and narratives
18:46run in previous
18:47days saying
18:48there are only
18:4950 to 100
18:49people showing
18:50up at the
18:50protest.
18:51But today you
18:52saw entire
18:53Delhi showing
18:54up on the
18:54road and there
18:55were more than
18:56one lakh people
18:57who had joined
18:58us.
18:58So none of
19:00these narratives
19:00have stuck.
19:01they are all
19:02pretty false
19:03and laughable.
19:04The Congress
19:05might have,
19:06if they have,
19:07you know,
19:08internal
19:09reservations about
19:10us,
19:10we are happy to
19:11talk to them
19:11and clear the
19:12air.
19:12But as we
19:13have done
19:13with everyone
19:14else,
19:15including people
19:16in the
19:17opposition,
19:17and you saw
19:18all these
19:19opposition parties
19:20coming and
19:20supporting us
19:21in the many
19:22days since we've
19:23been sitting at
19:24Jantar Mantir.
19:25I'm going to
19:26leave it there,
19:26Sauravdhas.
19:27Good to have you
19:27on the show.
19:28As I said,
19:29you are right
19:30there on the
19:30ground.
19:31Thanks very
19:32much for
19:32joining us.
19:33Stay safe.
19:33Sauravdhas of
19:34the Kokruj
19:35Janata Party.
19:36Okay.
19:37Now, there are
19:37a lot of
19:37celebrities who
19:38have also joined
19:39hands with the
19:40protests taking
19:41place on the
19:42street.
19:43Among them,
19:43actor and
19:44former member
19:45of parliament
19:46Shabana Azmi
19:46joins me now.
19:48She, good to
19:49have you on the
19:49show, Shabana.
19:50You were there
19:51on the weekend
19:52with the CJP
19:53protests.
19:53You've seen
19:54what's happened
19:55today on the
19:55streets.
19:56How do you
19:57now see these
19:57student protests?
19:59this particular
20:00protest?
20:04I was right
20:05there when the
20:05tear-gassing
20:06happened.
20:07And I was
20:08there, I was
20:08witness to the
20:09children being
20:10lathi-charged and
20:11also girls, young
20:12girls being lathi-charged.
20:14And they tried to
20:16put the blame on
20:18the students and
20:19said somebody
20:19threw a shoe and
20:21that's how they
20:22started.
20:23But that's not
20:24what I saw and
20:25that's not what
20:26all the students
20:27kept saying.
20:28They were showing
20:29me their wounds
20:30and they were
20:31saying they were
20:32totally wanting
20:34to do a
20:35completely
20:37non-violent
20:38protest, which
20:39is what was
20:39being told to
20:40them constantly
20:41from the
20:45podium.
20:45and I have
20:47never seen
20:48such controlled
20:50children when
20:51they were so
20:52full of rage
20:54and anger
20:55but completely
20:57determined that
20:58it is going to
20:59be non-violent.
21:02But the good
21:03thing is that
21:03even after that
21:05happened, when I
21:06asked them, are
21:07you scared?
21:08Are you now
21:08going to go
21:09back?
21:09Not one
21:11single one
21:12of them said
21:13that we are
21:14afraid or
21:15we are going
21:17to stop
21:18from now
21:18onwards.
21:19But I really
21:20think when you
21:20try to
21:22stop with
21:23such force
21:24what is a
21:25completely
21:25democratic right
21:26of a citizen
21:27of this country
21:28and particularly
21:29our youth
21:30because we
21:31are used to
21:32so many
21:33politicians
21:34talking about
21:35the youth
21:36is the power
21:36of the country,
21:37the youth
21:37is the power
21:38of the country
21:39and all
21:40they want
21:40is to
21:41initiate
21:42a dialogue.
21:43There were
21:43so many
21:45young people
21:46around the
21:4615-year-old
21:47children
21:48who came
21:49with so
21:49courage
21:49and said
21:50that if we
21:51don't come
21:52today, we
21:52stay in
21:52the love
21:53of the
21:54world.
21:54You
21:55hear them.
21:56What do they
21:57say?
21:57Just listen
21:58to that.
21:59What do they
22:00mean?
22:00No, no, but
22:01Shabana
22:02asked me, while
22:03you say yes,
22:03there were
22:0315, 16,
22:0418-year-olds
22:05protesting there,
22:06there were
22:06also clearly
22:07people who
22:08were perhaps
22:09not directly
22:09involved, or
22:10not even
22:10students who
22:11were involved
22:11with the
22:12protest.
22:12Many believe
22:12political groups
22:13and in
22:14particular
22:14anti-social
22:15elements may
22:16have infiltrated
22:17the protests
22:17and that's
22:18what led to
22:18the confrontation
22:19with the
22:19police.
22:22Well, we
22:24have now
22:24heard that
22:25tomorrow, today
22:26they've said
22:26that we're
22:26going to
22:27clear the
22:27place, but
22:28we have
22:28heard that
22:29tomorrow, if
22:31there is any
22:32gathering at
22:33all, they
22:34are going to
22:35turn it
22:36violent and
22:37then bring
22:38in the
22:39paramilitary
22:40forces and
22:41make it into
22:42a really
22:42violent thing.
22:43Is this
22:44any way of
22:45behaving?
22:45See, in any
22:46protest, what
22:47happens is all
22:48kind of anti-social
22:50elements get
22:51involved and they
22:53try to take
22:53advantage of
22:54that.
22:55We were
22:55prepared for
22:56that.
22:56We knew that
22:57would happen.
22:57But what is
23:01still inexplicable
23:02is when two
23:03of the
23:03representatives
23:04went to
23:05J.P.
23:06Nanda, he
23:07only asked
23:08them to write
23:09what their
23:10grievances were,
23:11spent 10
23:12minutes with
23:13them and then
23:13sent them,
23:14did not have a
23:15dialogue with
23:16them, said
23:16just say what
23:17you want and
23:18then they
23:19wrote the
23:20letter and
23:20went away
23:21from there.
23:22What is
23:23Rajdeep?
23:23Why can't
23:24do this?
23:26But the
23:27government
23:27belief, ma'am,
23:28seems to be
23:29that these
23:29are primarily
23:30anti-government
23:31and even
23:31anti-Prime
23:32Minister Modi
23:33protesters propped
23:34up by a
23:35section of the
23:36opposition, a
23:36section that
23:37has been
23:37traditionally
23:38critical of
23:39the Modi
23:39government for
23:40the last 12
23:40years and
23:41they are
23:41exploiting the
23:42student anger.
23:46Anti-national
23:48terrorists,
23:50Khan market,
23:51tukde-tukde
23:52again.
23:54When
23:54nothing
23:54comes to
23:55come to
23:56all,
23:57everything.
23:58This is
23:58completely
23:59wrong.
24:01In fact,
24:03what I was
24:03so heartened
24:04by when
24:05I asked
24:06Neha and
24:07Manish
24:07and
24:09Amin
24:10to give
24:11up their
24:12fast was
24:13that the
24:13usual
24:14suspects
24:14were not
24:15there,
24:16Rajeev.
24:16There was
24:16just a
24:17sea of
24:18young
24:19people
24:19whom I
24:19have never
24:20seen
24:20in my
24:21life.
24:22So,
24:22this is
24:23absolutely
24:23a
24:23joke.
24:24That
24:24anti-Modi
24:26protesters
24:27and
24:27students
24:28are
24:29use
24:30absolutely
24:31no truth
24:33in that
24:34and to
24:34hide behind
24:35that
24:36allegation
24:36I think
24:38is not
24:39what you
24:40expect from
24:41a democratically
24:42elected government.
24:44If I may
24:44ask then
24:45what brought
24:45a Shabana
24:46Azmi to
24:46the spot?
24:47Is this
24:47your way
24:48of expressing
24:49solidarity
24:49with the
24:50student
24:50protesters
24:51or is
24:52this an
24:52expression
24:53of your
24:53political
24:54affiliations?
24:57I have
24:58never been
24:59involved
25:00with any
25:01political
25:01party.
25:02I have
25:02never been
25:03a member
25:03of any
25:04political
25:05party.
25:05Nor on
25:06record I am
25:07telling you
25:07that I ever
25:08intend to
25:09be a
25:09member of
25:10any political
25:10party because
25:11I have always
25:12believed
25:12that joining
25:14a political
25:15party is
25:16putting the
25:16fetters on
25:17because the
25:17party's truth
25:18becomes your
25:19truth which
25:20is necessarily
25:21a one-sided
25:22truth.
25:23Even when
25:23both Javed
25:24and I were
25:24in parliament
25:25we were
25:26presidential
25:27nominees.
25:28We were
25:28with no
25:29party.
25:31What happened
25:31is on the
25:3215th of
25:33July both
25:35Javed and
25:35I wrote
25:36a letter
25:37to the
25:38prime minister
25:39which I will
25:39share with
25:40you in
25:40which we
25:41said that
25:42we are
25:43appealing to
25:45you as
25:46concerned
25:47citizens and
25:48as former
25:49members of
25:50the Rajasaba
25:50and we
25:51have no
25:51intention of
25:53going to
25:54the social
25:55media.
25:55We are
25:55appealing to
25:56you as
25:57individuals and
25:58all we are
25:59asking is
25:59please initiate
26:00a dialogue
26:01with them.
26:02And we
26:03sent the
26:03letter by
26:04email,
26:04by fax,
26:06and then
26:07dropped it
26:08personally also.
26:08we received
26:09a message
26:10saying that
26:11you will
26:11get a reply
26:12in two
26:12days.
26:13So we
26:13waited two
26:14days,
26:14then we
26:15waited three
26:16days,
26:16then we
26:16waited four
26:17days,
26:18and then on
26:19the fifth
26:19day I
26:20decided that
26:21I would
26:21come and
26:22now I
26:22would go
26:23public.
26:23That was
26:24not our
26:25intention
26:25because our
26:26intention was
26:27not to
26:27draw attention
26:28to ourselves.
26:30We have to
26:31draw attention
26:31to these
26:32young students
26:34who have
26:34come forward
26:35with so
26:35much courage.
26:37I have never
26:37seen something
26:38like that in
26:39my life.
26:40But I have
26:41to ask you
26:42this,
26:42Shaban Asmi,
26:43what is the
26:43solution then?
26:44Surely you
26:45can't expect
26:46any government
26:46to sack a
26:47minister simply
26:48because a
26:49particular group
26:50wants the
26:50minister to be
26:51sacked.
26:52Yes, there
26:52should be
26:53accountability
26:53for paper
26:54leaks,
26:54but is that
26:56the job of
26:56the students
26:57to decide
26:57what kind
26:58of accountability?
27:01No, but
27:01why are you
27:02making that
27:03the peg?
27:04That is
27:04only a
27:05symbolic
27:05thing that
27:06they are
27:06asking for.
27:07What they
27:07are asking
27:08for is
27:09they are
27:10asking for
27:12educational
27:13reforms.
27:13They are
27:14talking about
27:15rehauling
27:16the entire
27:17education
27:17system.
27:18They are
27:18saying,
27:19please,
27:19for so
27:20many years,
27:21so many
27:21years,
27:22we've been
27:22saying,
27:23allocate
27:246% of
27:25the GDP
27:25to education.
27:26Every year
27:27you make
27:27it less
27:28and give
27:28it more
27:29to arms.
27:30Human
27:32development
27:34if you
27:35pay attention
27:36to education,
27:38to public
27:38health and
27:39to women's
27:39empowerment,
27:40only then
27:41can you
27:41really measure
27:42the...
27:44But hold on,
27:45I was at
27:46Jantar Mantar
27:47a couple of
27:48days ago.
27:49Most of the
27:50posters I saw
27:51at their
27:52protest site
27:53was Sacked
27:53Dharma Indra Pradhan.
27:58That was
27:59what the
28:00Cockroach
28:00Janda Party
28:01is asking
28:02for.
28:02But there
28:03were a
28:03whole lot
28:04of people,
28:04like I'm
28:05not with
28:05them,
28:06and there
28:06were many,
28:06many people
28:07who were
28:07not with
28:08them,
28:08but were
28:09making
28:09common
28:09cause
28:10with
28:12these young
28:13people.
28:14So I
28:16think this
28:16is a way
28:17of saying,
28:19all right,
28:20let's put
28:22all of them
28:22under the
28:23same blanket
28:24and accuse
28:25them of
28:26that.
28:26you have
28:27to go
28:27beyond
28:28that
28:28and
28:28educational
28:29reforms
28:30they're
28:30talking
28:31about
28:31Why can't you
28:33talk about that
28:34in this
28:34situation?
28:35You're
28:39making a point,
28:40at least have
28:40a dialogue,
28:41but what do
28:41you see as
28:42the end
28:42game,
28:43therefore,
28:43in this
28:43entire
28:44protest?
28:44Do you
28:44see it
28:44actually
28:45having
28:45any
28:45impact
28:46on
28:46government?
28:47Do you
28:47see it
28:47as a
28:47momentary
28:48anger
28:48of the
28:49youth
28:49that
28:49has
28:49just
28:50expressed
28:50itself
28:50of
28:51frustration
28:51not
28:52just
28:52with
28:52paper
28:53leaks
28:53but with
28:53the
28:53education
28:54system
28:54in
28:54general?
28:57You
28:57know,
28:58I
28:58will
28:58be
28:58very
28:58very
28:59shocked
29:00if
29:00what
29:00you
29:00are
29:01saying
29:01comes
29:02true
29:02because
29:03I
29:03have
29:03never
29:04seen
29:04that
29:05kind
29:05of
29:05jazpa
29:06I
29:06have
29:06never
29:07of
29:07seen
29:07that
29:08we have
29:11done
29:12farmers
29:13and
29:14citizens
29:15protest
29:16and
29:17they
29:18will
29:19do
29:19it
29:19You
29:20are
29:20showing
29:20the world
29:21what
29:21are
29:23you
29:24showing
29:24the
29:24world?
29:25okay
29:26so you
29:26jammed
29:27the
29:27phones
29:27at
29:28the
29:28site
29:29you
29:29pulled
29:30up
29:30the
29:30mic
29:30so that
29:31the
29:32mic
29:32couldn't
29:33work
29:33and people
29:34couldn't
29:34hear
29:34for a
29:35little
29:35while
29:35you
29:35did
29:36that
29:36but
29:36I
29:37mean
29:37what
29:38do
29:38you
29:38think
29:38that
29:38people
29:39will
29:39go
29:39home
29:39and
29:40then
29:40they
29:40will
29:40not
29:41post
29:41they
29:42will
29:42not
29:42it
29:42will
29:42not
29:42be
29:43on
29:43social
29:43media
29:43what
29:44kind
29:44of
29:44thing
29:45is
29:45this
29:45tell
29:45me
29:46so
29:47you
29:47are
29:47saying
29:48this
29:48movement
29:48in
29:49your
29:49you
29:49has
29:49legs
29:50and
29:50therefore
29:50the
29:50best
29:51way
29:51forward
29:51is
29:52for
29:52any
29:52government
29:52in
29:53fact
29:53the
29:53government
29:54in
29:54power
29:54to
29:54have
29:54a
29:54sustained
29:55dialogue
29:55with
29:56the
29:56student
29:57representatives
29:57or
29:58with
29:58the
29:58youth
29:59or
29:59perhaps
29:59with
30:00the
30:00opposition
30:00in
30:00parliament
30:01am I
30:01correct
30:04absolutely
30:05that's
30:06what
30:06we
30:07are
30:07asking
30:07for
30:08and
30:08that's
30:08what
30:08we
30:09are
30:09demanding
30:10and
30:10that
30:10is
30:10why
30:11we
30:11are
30:11with
30:11the
30:12students
30:12and
30:13do
30:14you
30:14see
30:14the
30:14opposition
30:15then
30:15using
30:15this
30:15moment
30:21in
30:22fact
30:22I
30:23think
30:23the
30:23opposition
30:23has
30:24a
30:24very
30:24strong
30:25role
30:25to
30:26play
30:26just
30:26now
30:27the
30:27opposition
30:29really
30:30the
30:30ball
30:30is
30:30in
30:31the
30:31opposition
30:31court
30:32because
30:33now
30:33parliament
30:34session
30:35is
30:35on
30:37they
30:37have
30:38to
30:38insist
30:39that
30:39a
30:40dialogue
30:40should
30:40be
30:41initiated
30:41and
30:42they
30:42should
30:42discuss
30:43this
30:43in
30:43the
30:43parliament
30:44it's
30:44really
30:45resting
30:45on
30:45the
30:46opposition
30:46firmly
30:47and
30:47squarely
30:48they
30:49should
30:49move
30:49above
30:50their
30:50own
30:50personal
30:51interests
30:52and
30:52make
30:53common
30:53cause
30:54with
30:54the
30:54students
30:56okay
30:57I'm
30:57going to
30:57leave
30:57it
30:57there
30:57Shabana
30:58Azmi
30:58always
30:58good
30:59to
30:59have
30:59you
30:59on
30:59the
31:00show
31:00and
31:01when
31:02you
31:02speak
31:02we
31:03listen
31:03thank
31:04you
31:04very
31:04much
31:04for
31:05joining
31:05me
31:05here
31:06on
31:06the
31:06show
31:06tonight
31:07thank
31:07you
31:07okay
31:08let's
31:08raise
31:09the
31:09questions
31:09therefore
31:10some
31:10of
31:10which
31:10Shabana
31:10has
31:11just
31:11raised
31:11is
31:11it
31:12time
31:12for
31:12the
31:13Modi
31:13government
31:13to
31:13kick
31:14start
31:14a
31:14dialogue
31:15with
31:15these
31:15groups
31:16can
31:17the
31:17government
31:17afford
31:18to
31:18ignore
31:18youth
31:18protesters
31:19is
31:20the
31:20demand
31:20for
31:20ministerial
31:21resignations
31:22for
31:22paper
31:22leagues
31:23justified
31:23should
31:24the
31:24entire
31:25opposition
31:25now
31:25be
31:26rallying
31:26behind
31:26the
31:26protesters
31:27is
31:28this
31:28battle
31:28now
31:28about
31:29political
31:29positioning
31:30or
31:31about
31:31youth
31:31anger
31:32joining
31:32me
31:33now
31:33is
31:33Madhu
31:34Gaud
31:34Yakshi
31:34the
31:35national
31:35spokesperson
31:36of
31:36the
31:37congress
31:38Sanju
31:39Verma
31:39the
31:40evergreen
31:40national
31:40spokesperson
31:41of the
31:41BJP
31:42and Anjali
31:43Badwaj
31:44co-convener
31:44national
31:45campaign
31:45for
31:46people's
31:46right
31:46to
31:47information
31:47good
31:47to
31:47have
31:47you
31:48all
31:48on
31:48the
31:48show
31:48Sanju
31:49Verma
31:49you've
31:50heard
31:50what
31:50Shabana
31:51Azmi
31:51just
31:51said
31:52for
31:52God's
31:53sake
31:53listen
31:53the
31:54government
31:54for
31:55the
31:55last
31:55six
31:55weeks
31:56while
31:57these
31:57protests
31:57have
31:57taken
31:58place
31:58has
31:58been
31:58refusing
31:59to
31:59listen
31:59it
31:59required
32:00Sonam
32:00Vangchuk
32:00to
32:01go
32:01on
32:01fast
32:01for
32:02suddenly
32:02all
32:02to
32:03wake
32:03up
32:03to
32:03what
32:04was
32:04happening
32:12you
32:13know
32:13I
32:13will
32:13repeat
32:14what
32:14I
32:14have
32:14said
32:15a
32:15zillion
32:15times
32:16there's
32:16a
32:16difference
32:17between
32:17DISSENT
32:19and
32:21DESCENT
32:22dissent
32:22I
32:23think
32:2399.5%
32:26of the
32:26people
32:26in this
32:28protest
32:28are
32:29propagandists
32:29and
32:30agenda
32:30peddlers
32:31and I'm
32:31not going
32:32to mince
32:32my words
32:33there are
32:33a few
32:34bona fide
32:34activists
32:35too
32:35but
32:36what
32:36has
32:36Shabana
32:37has
32:37contributed
32:38in terms
32:39of
32:39even
32:39narrative
32:40to the
32:41educational
32:41system
32:43in India
32:44zilch
32:44Kunal
32:45Kamra
32:45zilch
32:46Swara
32:47Bhaskar
32:47zilch
32:48then let's
32:49not forget
32:50failed
32:50sophologist
32:51Yogendra
32:52Yadav
32:52zilch
32:53these are
32:54people
32:54Sonakshi
32:55Sina
32:55zilch
32:56these people
32:56can barely
32:57spell
32:58education
32:59and they
32:59have never
33:00protested
33:00against
33:01the 24
33:02paper leaks
33:03under the
33:03erstwhile
33:04Ashok
33:04Gehlot
33:04government
33:05I have
33:06limited
33:07time
33:07rather than
33:08name calling
33:09people
33:09they didn't
33:10name call
33:10you
33:11I'm asking
33:11you a
33:11straight
33:12question
33:12is this
33:13government
33:13unwilling to
33:14listen to
33:15voices other
33:15than its
33:16own
33:16you answer
33:16my
33:17straight
33:17question
33:21I will
33:23do the
33:23blood and
33:23water
33:24water
33:24you have
33:25very little
33:26tolerance
33:27you have
33:28very little
33:28tolerance
33:28when the
33:29BJP is
33:29speaking
33:30please show
33:31a modicum
33:31of tolerance
33:32before having
33:33a debate
33:33on dissent
33:34you are
33:35debating
33:35dissent
33:36you are
33:36debating
33:37democracy
33:37you are
33:38debating
33:38free speech
33:39but you
33:39don't want
33:40to listen
33:40to Sanju
33:40Verma
33:41even for
33:42two minutes
33:42unentruptedly
33:43that is your
33:44hypocrisy
33:44now let me
33:45finish
33:46will the
33:47government
33:47engage with
33:48them
33:48yes the
33:49process
33:49started today
33:50with JP
33:51Nadda
33:51meeting
33:52Saurav Das
33:52and his
33:54other
33:55colleague
33:56Ashutosh
33:56Ranka
33:57what I
33:59have a
33:59problem with
34:00is not
34:01dissent
34:01my problem
34:03is with
34:03slogans
34:04it is
34:07there on
34:07social
34:08media
34:18what do
34:20these
34:20slogans
34:21have
34:21anything
34:21whatsoever
34:23to do
34:23with
34:24NEET
34:25with
34:25CBSE
34:26with the
34:27future
34:27of our
34:27youngsters
34:28nothing
34:28and
34:29Shabana
34:30Azmi
34:30is quick
34:31to block
34:32people
34:32at the
34:33drop of
34:33a hat
34:34and it
34:34is
34:35hypocritical
34:36and
34:36laughable
34:36that she
34:37is sitting
34:37on your
34:38show
34:38and lecturing
34:39and giving
34:39bhaasan
34:40to the
34:40Modi
34:40government
34:41she got
34:41a Padma
34:42Shri
34:42in 1988
34:44who was
34:44the
34:44Prime Minister
34:45Rajiv Gandhi
34:46Shabana
34:47Azmi
34:48got a
34:48Padma
34:48Bhushan
34:49in 2012
34:49who was
34:50in government
34:51Manmohan
34:52Singh's
34:52Congress
34:52Party
34:53so Shabana
34:54Azmi
34:54to say
34:55that
34:55there is
34:56no
34:56party
34:57in any
34:57political
34:58party
34:58I think
34:59that is
34:59as hypocritical
35:00as it
35:01can get
35:01but I
35:02will just
35:02say this
35:03Rajdi
35:03we welcome
35:04dissent
35:05we welcome
35:06anyone who
35:06stands with
35:07the students
35:08of this
35:08country
35:08but we are
35:09not willing
35:10to have
35:11Arvind K.
35:11Jriwal
35:12who is
35:13completely
35:13blind to
35:15the
35:15happenings
35:16in Punjab
35:16we are not
35:17willing to
35:17have a
35:18Rajiv Gandhi's
35:19son Rahul
35:20Gandhi
35:20who is
35:21completely
35:22blind to
35:22the happenings
35:23in Karnataka
35:24Telangana
35:24where people
35:25are getting
35:25arrested
35:26if they
35:26just speak
35:27out
35:27why farmers
35:28are not
35:29being given
35:29their due
35:30this is
35:30the
35:31cabal
35:31which has
35:32the audacity
35:32to lecture
35:33Modi government
35:34and I will
35:34just tell you
35:34one thing
35:35Rajdi
35:35I heard you
35:36two days
35:37back
35:37two days
35:38back
35:38very quickly
35:39Sonand
35:39Wangchuk's
35:40wife
35:40gave bites
35:41to everyone
35:42in national
35:42media
35:43saying three
35:43things
35:44my husband
35:45Mr.
35:45Wangchuk
35:46is facing
35:47dehydration
35:47his potassium
35:49levels are down
35:49his ketone
35:50levels are rising
35:51today she
35:52has given
35:53a bite
35:53to A&I
35:54Sonand
35:54Wangchuk
35:55why was
35:56he even
35:56hospitalized
35:57he was
35:58hailed
35:58hearty
35:59it is
35:59there on
36:00A&I
36:00she is
36:01saying
36:01Sonand
36:02Wangchuk
36:03was normal
36:04and calling
36:05out
36:06hypocrisy
36:07you are
36:07entitled
36:08you believe
36:08it's
36:08hypocritical
36:09as I
36:10said
36:10I wanted
36:10to still
36:11understand
36:11you are
36:12claiming
36:12that your
36:12government
36:13does listen
36:13to voices
36:14it's only
36:14today that
36:15JP Nanda
36:15has actually
36:16until today
36:17until today
36:18the BJP
36:18ministers have
36:19not even
36:20mentioned
36:20the word
36:20Kaukrut
36:21Janata
36:21parties
36:22as if
36:22they didn't
36:22exist
36:23it's required
36:24the protests
36:24at least
36:25for the
36:25government
36:26the minister
36:26to speak
36:27to them
36:27which is
36:27a good
36:28sign
36:28but it's
36:28come
36:29many would
36:29believe
36:30six weeks
36:30too late
36:31but Anjali
36:31Bhardwaj
36:32respond to
36:33what Sanju
36:33Verma
36:34said
36:34that this
36:35is actually
36:37not about
36:37any more
36:38about paper
36:38leaks
36:39or about
36:39Dharbendra
36:40Padan
36:40it's about
36:41how do we
36:41get at
36:42the Modi
36:42government
36:43this is
36:43all critics
36:44of Modi
36:45government
36:45targeting him
36:46the kind
36:46of posters
36:47according to
36:48Sanju
36:48Verma
36:48some of
36:49them
36:49she of
36:50course
36:50didn't
36:50mention
36:50some of
36:51the posters
36:51which were
36:52of a very
36:52different kind
36:53about how
36:54you need to
36:54show people's
36:55power above
36:56all else
36:56but your
36:56response to
36:57that
36:57has this
36:58protest
36:58movement
36:59got derailed
37:00somewhere
37:02Rajdeep
37:03let me say
37:04very clearly
37:04that today
37:05what we saw
37:07and what we
37:08have been
37:08seeing for
37:09the past
37:10four weeks
37:11at the very
37:12least
37:13is the
37:14youth of
37:14the country
37:15coming forward
37:16and putting
37:17forth their
37:18problem
37:19with the
37:19paper leaks
37:20that they
37:21have been
37:21facing one
37:23after the
37:24other
37:24and I hope
37:25that we are
37:26not saying
37:26that all of
37:27these people
37:28are anti
37:29one party
37:29or any one
37:30prime minister
37:31these are the
37:32youth of our
37:33country
37:33and it's very
37:35important that
37:36the government
37:36engage with
37:38them
37:38I'm saying
37:40this very
37:40clearly
37:40because
37:41unfortunately
37:42what we have
37:43seen
37:43is that
37:44despite
37:45peaceful
37:46protests
37:47across the
37:48country
37:48and we
37:49saw what
37:49happened in
37:50the national
37:51capital
37:51today
37:51but Rajdeep
37:52I want to
37:53say here
37:53on your
37:54channel
37:54that it
37:55wasn't
37:56limited to
37:57what happened
37:58at Jantar
37:58Mantar or
37:59in Delhi
37:59today we
38:00had protests
38:01and for the
38:02past several
38:03weeks there
38:03have been
38:04protests
38:04across the
38:05country
38:06and the
38:07youth of the
38:08country are
38:09taking to
38:09the streets
38:10to get
38:11their voice
38:12across to
38:13the prime
38:14minister
38:14to the
38:15government
38:15to the
38:16education
38:17minister
38:17that they
38:18want
38:19accountability
38:19look when
38:21paper leaks
38:22happen they
38:23affect students
38:24students who
38:25work so hard
38:26their families
38:27put everything
38:28on the line
38:29who work so
38:30hard to sit
38:31for an exam
38:32like NEET
38:33JEE
38:34they sit
38:35for CUT
38:36all these
38:37exams they
38:38have been
38:38either paper
38:39leaks they
38:39have been
38:40cancelled
38:40there have
38:41been glitches
38:41students have
38:42to keep
38:43re-preparing
38:45the argument
38:45the government
38:46will give is
38:46that the
38:47paper leaks
38:47ma'am the
38:48argument the
38:49government keeps
38:50giving the
38:50paper leaks
38:51didn't start
38:51in 2014
38:52they were there
38:53even when the
38:54congress governments
38:54were in power
38:55we didn't see
38:55these kind of
38:56protests there
38:57we didn't see
38:57a demand for
38:58resignations of
38:59ministers then
39:01Rajdeep let me
39:02put it this way
39:03I think what we
39:04are what we need
39:05to do is to
39:06listen to the
39:07youth maybe they
39:08were not giving
39:09exams pre-2014
39:11this set of
39:12people they
39:12are here on
39:13the ground
39:14the government
39:14can only ignore
39:16them and do
39:17whataboutry at
39:18their own peril
39:19that's what I
39:20would like to
39:20say
39:20no madam you
39:21will not intervene
39:22Sanju Varma
39:24stop being rude
39:24no madam I am
39:26asking you not to
39:27intervene that's not
39:27being rude please
39:28put a mic down
39:29please go ahead
39:29no I am not
39:30being rude I am
39:31never rude to
39:32anyone my parents
39:33taught me never to
39:34be rude to anyone
39:35go ahead
39:37so Rajdeep I think
39:38it's it's really
39:40unfortunate that the
39:41government has chosen
39:42not to engage with
39:45the youth with the
39:46student who are
39:47raising a very
39:48legitimate demand a
39:50very legitimate
39:52democratic demand in
39:54a completely
39:56democratic constitutional
39:58peaceful manner
39:59but this was not
40:00peaceful today ma'am ma'am ma'am ma'am ma'am ma'am ma'am this was not peaceful
40:03today and do the youth who are there represent all the youth of the country and were they
40:07all youth
40:08so so Rajdeep please allow me to finish the youth of the country along with people who are
40:17concerned along with the parents of those students many of it 22 people students have
40:24taken their own lives they have committed suicide because of the kinds of problems that
40:28are happening in the examination system they have all been involved in these protests
40:35you could see them last 30 days the protest has been on just at Jantar Mantar even if we
40:42don't talk about other protests just at Jantar Mantar 22 days people have been sitting
40:48on hunger strike please tell me what is the violence that you find in any of this
40:5522 days this morning Rajdeep please let me finish it was not violence till this morning ma'am a quick
41:00answer it was not
41:01violent till this morning the did the government engage with them till this morning Rajdeep
41:07secondly I think all the footage that we have seen is of students marching that is not
41:16violence in a democracy people have a right to protest sure they do they have a right to protest
41:25we should stop calling ourselves a democracy if we don't want if the government should
41:30we should stop calling ourselves a democracy if we don't want if the government should
41:31engage with the people they have every right to protest they have every right to protest peacefully not to
41:35pelt stones that they walk to their parliament and Rajdeep let me say a few things since you
41:41talked about stone pelting in the morning today there were clear visuals of vans coming to Jantar Mantar which were
41:51loaded with
41:52with pebbles with stones with rocks and who could allow that but the but the Delhi police how did they
42:00reach there most
42:01people were not being allowed okay that's a very serious allegation that's a very serious allegation
42:08which is still okay if you just give me one more minute the police has a counterclaim to that
42:13there are both sides to that story about who I you know how did the stones land up there who
42:18pelted stones
42:19there are visuals which show some other protesters pelting stones policemen have been injured let's be very clear at the
42:25same time students have also been injured
42:27the tear gas that lathe charge the tear gas that we saw happening was very clearly something that was being
42:35that the
42:37okay sadhu barma please keep quiet please please ma'am so I think I think we need to place facts
42:43no the audience needs to hear again simply I'm simply placing facts on your show
42:48please put a voice down the the tear gas clearly the students were not uh using tear gas they were
42:55not using lathees and betons
42:57we saw what was happening today there is enough footage to show that rajdeep I just want to say that
43:04there
43:04our education system and more importantly the examination system is completely falling apart
43:12the national testing agency is not even something that has been set up under an act of parliament
43:20it's not even accountable to the parliament of the country this day the NTA holds examinations for 1.25
43:29crore students every year who is it accountable to it's set up as a society so the demand is that
43:36the minister the education minister has to take accountability
43:41okay and I'm sorry in these cases accountability has to start from the top so the students are not making
43:48an illegitimate demand when they're saying that we want the resignation of the education minister
43:54I've heard you patient I've heard you I've heard you is that the only thing that will help
43:58no but yes accountability has to start there and the entire system has to be overhauled
44:05I've heard you very patiently now Madhu Yakshigaut I know you've been hearing them patiently I've got a
44:12congress party yes because the congress party has so far mainly stayed away from the protests
44:16how do you see these protests are they hijacking your own agenda of chatro ki goonj led by Rahul Gandhi
44:24not at all Razdeep congress party as a responsible opposition party the students the either is youth wing
44:32under student wing and congress party under the leadership of Rahul Gandhi protesting across the country
44:37on the chatro ki goonj voice of the students the paper leak in the last 10 years 2014 to now
44:45152
44:47paper leaks been happened you have seen Razdeep I was 10 years member of parliament earlier during
44:53UPA and earlier whichever minister whichever department whether it is railway accident the minister of
45:00railways has resigned it is under UPA government not only Anna Azhar has protested Razdeep you know
45:07very well even fake Babas when they were protesting supported by the RSS and BJP the five cabinet
45:15minister led by late president of India Pranabda and other ministers went and met them congress has
45:22always been power or not in power responsible hearing to the people they said what is the
45:30fundamental principles of democracy discussion and a debate you can't silence people who are
45:37protesting or supporting them it is a brutal it's a fascist the way the police acted on today on the
45:43students you say pro peaceful how when it's violent when the police have deserted to deserted to
45:51latte charts and tear gas cells the students have no other way to protect themselves so here
45:57the congress is raising these issues in the parliament outside the parliament and I can hear the
46:04congress of the BJP spokesperson how can even she call every citizen has a right to express their
46:11opinion shabana has made distinguished actress and former far parliament member and she's calling
46:17by names she may be by raising voice silence you but she cannot silence housing subschooling
46:24housing subschooling protesting across the country so you are supporting it so you are supporting the
46:29students Razdeep one last word yes parents people who have children to understand the pain of the
46:36students have two daughters when they go prepare for a test Razdeep we know the pain by giving lectures
46:43on radio you cannot silence you just can't do that prime minister is not even responding not even
46:51talking to them okay you should answer and talk to them you should resign and you i've seen a debate
47:00how can these students our parents decide it is the responsibility of a central minister who is
47:07heading the hrd and he should take a responsibility and design and what's happening the last 10 years
47:13one lakhs to school i've heard you now madhu i heard you you made your point and bjp is to
47:20nda
47:20government under moji sarkar is making a fast buck by encouraging the leaking of the new paper
47:26i've heard you madhu yakshi gaur you asked for 10 seconds more i've heard you i'll you know sanju
47:32you've been very patient i know you've been pointing your finger now you give me a final comment on this
47:36you've heard lots of crap people one common theme engage don't break your silence the prime minister
47:44doesn't say a word about it he speaks on other issues he can speak on this education minister can
47:49reach out to these students don't you think that will resolve all issues the prime minister is very
47:55popular among the young he can reach out to them resolve their issues rajdeep sardasai you have two
48:03people who are modi naysayers they've spoken at length for 12 minutes in the first two minutes i
48:08was interrupted you said your parents have taught you not to be rude my parents have taught me to call
48:14out the bluff of a boorish bully now let me speak anjali bhardwaj i don't know much about her but
48:21i'm told
48:22i'm told she has a senior position in a ngo called action aid action aid has spoken out against the
48:31abrogation of article 3 not with action aid no no you must be specific you please do not please do
48:37not
48:37engage in characters no no mr yakshi gaur you can't interview no no no no either way even if she's
48:45with
48:45action aid what does that have to do with this i ask you a question yeah please go ahead
48:53forget whether anjali bhardwaj is with action aid or not let's leave that aside anjali bhardwaj has spoken
49:00out against the abrogation of article 370 which was duly that bill was passed in the parliament and we
49:06abrogated article 370 anjali bhardwaj has endorsed vote chori claims by rahul gandhi on her ex timeline
49:14whereas former cji chandra chur said there is no proof of vote chori anjali bhardwaj repeatedly
49:21says that yes evms can be manipulated whereas three former supreme court cji's have called out the
49:28bluff of rahul gandhi on evms every time i ask you a question you're engaging in character assassination
49:33ma'am what does that have to do with the question i asked i asked you a simple question should
49:38the
49:38government break its silence and talk to these students i'm asking you a straight question
49:42you know rajdeep what your problem is anjali bhardwaj was given unlimited time by you
49:50she's because she answered my question you answer my question i give you unlimited time
49:55yes she did not she did not engage in any character assassination i will not allow this anymore on my
50:00program i've had enough enough is enough enough that's right she said the education system is
50:08falling apart we have some new medical colleges now listen quietly we had 323 medical colleges
50:16today we have 837 medical colleges has anjali bhardwaj spoken about that we had 51 000 nbps seats
50:23in 2013 today we have 136 000 nbps seats has miss bhardwaj spoken about it
50:34now let me finish
50:36more the government is willing to engage yes but have you noticed one thing rajdeep very quickly
50:43at 2 33 p.m saurav das he put out a post on xa abhiji dipke has been arrested detained
50:53the police brutality by delhi police is unacceptable after that tweet got viral it got a million views
51:01very quietly at 3 18 p.m he puts out another tweet saying abhiji dipke not arrested nor detained
51:10but he did not delete his old tweet what am i trying to prove i'm trying to prove how propagandists
51:16are making incendiary statements to gain political mileage out of this movement point number one point
51:23number two i can assure you if jp nadal has taken the first step today we will ensure that bona
51:30fide
51:30students their voices are heard and the whole thing is brought to fruition in a very positive
51:36and progressive manner but people who say
51:51this kind of agenda peddling will not be allowed
51:55i've heard you loud i've heard you clear i appreciate all of you joining me i've just about
52:04got 30 seconds for my take the right to protest peacefully is the lifeblood of any democracy young
52:12people who step out to question those in power should not be dismissed with labels or met with
52:17intimidation they deserve to be heard not heckled or worse be tear gassed whether one agrees with their
52:24cause and demands or not the test of a confident democracy is how it treats dissent especially when
52:30it comes from the young every generation has challenged the status quo that is how societies
52:36evolve stand with the right to peaceful protest insist on non-violence from all sides and defend the
52:42democratic space where ideas can compete without fear and yes make accountability a core mantra of
52:50governance give it some flesh flesh and blood not just empty rhetoric and yes learn to listen to
52:57voices other than your own that's the essence of democracy think about it when spain are champions of
53:06the world once again 14 years after their last appearance in a world cup final the spanish have lifted the
53:11trophy after a hard hard fought but well deserved one nil victory over defending champions argentina spain
53:18dominating the match eventually scoring in the 106th minute when substitute ferran torres finally broke
53:25the deadlock in the game it was truly a victory for a worthy champion what does that mean joining me
53:34now is
53:34the one and only bai chung butia one of india's star footballers from yesteryears bai chung good to have you
53:40you almost got your prediction right you had said to me a week ago you fancied spain to win the
53:45cup
53:46although your heart was with england who ended up down lose who ended up losing to argentina in the
53:51semis what made this spanish team so special according to you bai chung
53:58uh yes i think rastip way bit uh i think just one one wrong prediction went wrong i think almost
54:0790 percent
54:08was right i had actually hoped england to go into finals in fact i think england could have given a
54:14better final than argentina against spain uh today morning but yes i think uh if you look at spain
54:20throughout this tournament it's been outstanding they played some of the best teams portugal uh they
54:26beat france and then went on to beat argentina i think it's a complete teamwork i think football
54:30we all know that it's a team sport and it's the team performance that really takes you to win the
54:35tournament and spain has shown that i think a lot of the teams france depended a lot on mbappé and
54:40dembele miss argentina completely rode on messi's uh you know performance to take them to the finals
54:46but i think spain showed that i think it's a complete team effort and if you have a great team
54:51uh that's how you go on to win the finals it was shocking it was completely one-sided but spain
54:58deserved to win this tournament and they were completely the best team in this tournament
55:01you know the one statistic that stood out for me bai chu only 10 shots on target against spain in
55:07the entire tournament over eight matches conceding only one goal this was a team built on defense in
55:13the midfield particularly rodri the player of the tournament would you go along with that
55:17that spain had this magnificent defense and midfield
55:24you know i think people when you concede just one goal and have only 10 shots on target throughout the
55:29tournament they try and speak of goalkeeper and the defense it's not only that it's about the entire
55:33team you know when they they don't lose the ball easily they keep the position they frustrate the
55:38opponent and when you have the ball to keep the position it's all about the movement of the ball
55:44i think every time your defender got a ball stopper in the center there are three four options for him
55:49to pass when it goes to the midfield there are again more options when you go to the attacking
55:53front as well there are more options to pass move those balls when you lose the ball as well they
55:59try and pressurize you on those uh you know uh defending areas of of the opponent which makes it
56:04very very difficult for any team to build up and play against spain and that's what they completely
56:10showed and shocking was a team like argentina with such a great scoring uh you know stats in this
56:17world cup at not a single shot on target entire 120 minutes i think one shot they got off the
56:24target
56:24was above the goalpost in 117th minute that shows how good the spanish team was and and messi himself
56:32we all love him uh do you believe it's the end of the road finally for this great legend of
56:37the sport
56:38at the age of 39 do you really believe there is another world cup in in him have we seen
56:42the last
56:43of messi and the end of the messi era i think it was very sad to see messi cry after
56:51the world cup
56:51and i think he exactly knew this you know this could be his last world cup and uh uh he's
56:57seen it i
56:57think if if you take again messi out of this uh argentina side i think you'd not get so many
57:03uh you
57:03know fans for argentina it was messi fan that went on to support argentina and even the performance from
57:09day one after scoring hat-trick till the final it was messi's magical moment that really carried
57:14argentina way to the finals but when you meet a good team like spain i think it becomes very very
57:19challenging he's not you can't carry all the time so somewhere down the line i think messi's uh you
57:25know yesterday's i think the tears in his eyes also showed that this could be his last i feel sorry
57:31that you know we if if if this is the last world cup uh for him we're gonna miss one
57:36of the greatest
57:37footballer of all time uh maybe this could be his end of international career uh you know
57:42uh career as well but i think he's really given so much to the sport entertained and we are very
57:48fortunate to see a great player like him and just not us but i think he's motivated and encouraged a
57:53lot
57:53of kids to take up the spot because of uh of messi you know wonderful to as always uh bai
58:01chung have
58:01you on the show thanks very much for joining us yes we will all miss the one and only lionel
58:06messi
58:06what we won't miss i can tell you is the behavior of the argentinians after the match where some of
58:11them actually physically targeted uh the spanish one of them has now been shown a red card uh but the
58:17good news is that lionel messi himself was hugging uh lamin yamal the two of them at least were
58:24exchanging pleasantries it is quite a story to have messi and yamal at the same uh match and maybe the
58:32torch has been handed over at the end from messi to yamal the two of them hopefully that image of
58:38them hugging each other at the end of the game is our image of the day that's the sporting spirit
58:43we
58:43want to see not what we saw from the other argentinian players who behaved in an absolutely
58:49disgraceful manner i want to end the show on that note thanks very much for watching that was the news
58:54without the noise good night goodbye jay hind namaskar shubhraji
58:58you
59:00you
59:02you
59:03you
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