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00:00Why would you even bother asking such a stupid question? You knew the answer.
00:06I like to get as many different opinions, perspective. I like to cross-reference.
00:13I like to see what people on the streets are saying. I like to ask the media questions.
00:18I'm a curious individual, Ken, and I like to think that that translates to the marketplace of ideas.
00:26And that's very important to me as a journalist and a commentator.
00:30All right, we have the question and we have the answer.
00:32This is from our interview with Mary Kay Cabot about 10 minutes ago. Hit it.
00:36Last night at the ESPYs, there seemed to be a nice moment between Miles Garrett and Shador Sanders.
00:42I don't know, was Shador up for any awards or anything?
00:44I don't know. I didn't watch it.
00:46They had a nice moment there that was captured by, I think, Shador's video team.
00:52Do you think, Mary Kay, if Shador had played better, that Miles Garrett is still a Cleveland Brown today?
00:59Oh, that's hard to say because I think that Miles was going for something more than a quarterback playing better
01:06than he played last year.
01:07Miles was going for the bright lights and the big city and a chance at the Super Bowl and all
01:12of those kinds of things.
01:13And I still don't think that that was going to be enough to make him want to stay here.
01:19So it was Miles' decision to get traded again?
01:23I thought that that was the Browns' decision, that somebody made an offer and it was finally good enough, and
01:27so they made the move.
01:32Huh. Interesting.
01:35Hmm.
01:37Well, remember, I had asked whether or not people got really mad at me.
01:41Don't be silly. You know damn well if he would have played better. There's no way they're trading Miles Garrett.
01:44Why are we having that discussion?
01:45Well, the reason is, I had brought up in previous weeks Jackson Dart.
01:50And I said, if this were Jackson Dart in Cleveland playing the exact same way that Jackson Dart played, which
01:56had his ups and downs, as you pointed out.
01:59Who knows if he'll ever make it through an actual season playing like that.
02:02But if that were the case, would Miles Garrett have been traded?
02:05And people got mad at that, that I could dare ask that question.
02:09But the whole point, you guys realize why I'm asking the question, it is to see where Shador Sanders is
02:16right now in the pecking order of young quarterbacks.
02:19That's all.
02:20Why? Why? What do you mean?
02:22Isn't that what the team is doing?
02:23What do you mean?
02:23Because if Shador is...
02:25They're figuring out whether or not he can start for him this year.
02:28They're not comparing him to other young QBs.
02:30But that's the thing. Of course you are. That's all you're doing.
02:32They may be to a fault, but isn't that why they moved on from Baker Mayfield?
02:37They were comparing him to other quarterbacks and trying to figure out where he was in the pecking order?
02:43Isn't that all that the teams do?
02:45Isn't that what you're always evaluating?
02:46NBA, you're evaluating your superstars.
02:48Are they good enough?
02:51I mean, I thought that's what everybody does in sports.
02:53If he was... I mean, if he had played better, you weren't getting rid of Myles Garrett.
02:57That's the point of what I'm saying is you didn't need to ask that question.
03:00Don't you know the answer? Isn't it common sense?
03:02Okay, to me it is.
03:04You weren't trading away Myles Garrett. Then why would you ask it?
03:06Because we already know my opinion on this.
03:09I want to see Mary Kaye and her informed opinion along with her reporting.
03:12But she just said it was more on Myles.
03:15Didn't she?
03:19Hello?
03:20Didn't she say it was more on Myles' decision there?
03:24The bright lights and the glitz and the glamour of Los Angeles.
03:28Hollywood, California.
03:29Well, he did. He was the guy that asked out, you know, the year prior.
03:33Okay.
03:34But he said he wanted to win.
03:36That was the reason.
03:37That they weren't winning.
03:39You can win in a lot of places.
03:41But she just said bright lights.
03:43Big city.
03:45That's what was just said.
03:47And if he would have played better...
03:49Again, it's their decision to trade him.
03:51I know he's got a no-trade clause.
03:53But he could sit there and stomp his feet and want to trade all he wants.
03:55Okay, too bad.
03:57And had he had played better...
04:00It feels to me like you're trying to rub the nose in it when I'm just telling you the truth.
04:04And I've told you the truth all the time.
04:05That, yeah, had they had had a better quarterback situation.
04:08We're not talking about trading away Myles Garrett.
04:09You don't trade away the best player on defense and the best player that's ever played defense
04:13for your franchise if you think you've got to look at it.
04:16If you want me to be on the record and just you want the Shador fans to go after me,
04:24I think there's plenty of people who like Shador Sanders who would understand that
04:28if they have common sense.
04:30Are there?
04:31I don't know who you talk to every single day on your internet thing.
04:36So I can't be with you every hour of the day.
04:41I know what my mentions say.
04:43I know what our calls say.
04:45I don't deal with it.
04:47You mean that you don't...
04:48I'm not trying to work people into a shoot every single day when we get off the air about a
04:52Browns quarterback like you are.
04:54You're saying you don't pay attention to the Shador fans that we get a deluge of responses every single day.
05:00No, not particularly. I don't.
05:01No, I don't.
05:02Because they obviously think he is way better than you do.
05:07Yeah, they're allowed to.
05:08I want him to do well, but just because I want him to do well doesn't think I think he's
05:11going to do well.
05:12And I think I've been pretty clear and honest about that.
05:15You want every Browns quarterback to do well.
05:16I know there's people making Photoshop's of me and Jim Jones,
05:20and I know there's people making Photoshop's of me as Marshall Applewhite.
05:24I can't stop him from doing that.
05:26Again, you find a fat cult leader out there, you tell me.
05:29I guess I'm the first one that's ever been that way.
05:31But no cult leader...
05:33If I were a true cult leader, I'd be saying that there's no doubt I should set my 2027 draft
05:38class on fire because we already have our guy.
05:40I'm not doing that.
05:41Because they wouldn't have traded Miles Garrett if they knew they had their guy.
05:45They traded Miles Garrett so they could get what's needed to probably get their guy.
05:50And if Shador Sanders ends up being somebody that is proving to rise up and overcome all this this year,
05:58then we'll change our tune.
05:59He has an opportunity this year.
06:01And that's all that is, is an opportunity.
06:03Just like every other quarterback who eventually got replaced had.
06:06So I just don't know why you need to force me to say this every damn day of the week.
06:10Hey, wait, actually, Evan, this is like the first day of the week you've made me say it today, this
06:14week.
06:15But usually, every day, you get it out of me because I don't know what it is that you want
06:21to get defined out of me.
06:23I've said the same thing day after day, week after week since the end of the season.
06:28If they're trading away Miles Garrett, they're telling you what they think of their quarterback situation.
06:32Just like when the Rams are trading for Miles Garrett,
06:35they're telling everybody what they already know about their quarterback situation.
06:38This isn't hard.
06:40Why is this hard?
06:41I don't think it's hard at all.
06:42You're making it hard.
06:43I think I'm just asking people questions and seeing their responses.
06:47And clearly, you disagree with Mary Kay.
06:49So how is it a bad question if it elicited a different response?
06:53What do I disagree about Mary Kay with?
06:54Well, who's responsible for the Miles trade?
06:57Well, that's different.
06:58I'm intrigued by that because I was to understand that this was a Browns decision
07:02where they finally got something that was really, really good,
07:05and they decided, okay, we can move on from Miles Garrett.
07:08Especially after the June 1st and everything like that.
07:11That's what was said.
07:13I understand he asked for it last year,
07:16but I didn't hear anything about him asking for it this year.
07:19We got to be public about all this and go on public record.
07:22So him wanting bright lights in the big city and all that, that's new, Tone.
07:28Here they come.
07:302-1-6-4-7-4-0-0-92.
07:32Oh, and did you figure out, did Shador, was he nominated for something or what was he?
07:36I did not see him on the list of winners.
07:40I didn't watch it.
07:40Of course we didn't watch the ESPYs.
07:41I haven't watched the ESPYs.
07:43I'm pleading naivete here.
07:45Oh, I watched a lot of it this morning.
07:47I watched it when Shane Gillis hosted at least the monologue.
07:50I didn't even know Shane Gillis.
07:52Honestly, I haven't probably watched it since Norm Macdonald.
07:54I watched the monologue this morning.
07:55Was it good?
07:56It was Marcello?
07:57Yeah.
07:58John Carroll's own?
08:00Really?
08:01And you said the Savannah Bananas did a dance routine.
08:04They opened it up.
08:05Yeah.
08:06And not the party animals.
08:07Boy, they are in.
08:08Party animals were not there.
08:09I tell you what, they were in for it.
08:10I think they were at the Tonys.
08:11When they have that lockout, they're in for a windfall, them bananas.
08:15Because there ain't going to be no baseball next summer.
08:16They're going to be rolling in bananas.
08:17The Texas Tailgaters, were they there?
08:20No, they are at the CMA Awards.
08:23The Loco Beach Coconuts?
08:24Just travel with the jerseys and put the bananas against other teams.
08:28They're at the Razzies.
08:28That's what you pay for.
08:31All right.
08:32In just over 20 minutes, Rick Buecher is going to join us.
08:34Which goes in with, I'm not going to be able to do it, am I?
08:36Here they come.
08:37I'm not going to be able to do it.
08:40Got lined up, Kenny.
08:41I hate you.
08:42And we got Rick Buecher coming up, too.
08:44I don't hate him, but I hate him.
08:45When you put a call to action out there and people act.
08:48Yeah, I know.
08:49You've got to act for the action.
08:51Okay, fine.
08:52I hope you're happy.
08:54What's the problem?
08:55Well, they're going to come in and you got it out of me.
08:58Because I think you just want me to deal with what you deal with.
09:00But I don't.
09:02See, the difference between you and me is I respect people and their feelings.
09:04You don't.
09:06You just want to get people worked up.
09:08Worked into a shoot.
09:10And I take this job immensely.
09:13Seriously.
09:14No, you don't.
09:14No, he doesn't.
09:15What?
09:16That's how you really see him?
09:19As what?
09:20Somebody that's just trying to get people worked up.
09:22I always thought he was giving honest opinions.
09:24No, about this.
09:25I think this in particular, I think when you ask such a silly question like that, then
09:29yeah, that's silly.
09:32What question was that?
09:33No, go ahead and hit it.
09:34Last night at the ESPYs, there seemed to be a nice moment between Miles Garrett and Shador
09:40Sanders.
09:41I don't know.
09:41Was Shador up for any awards or anything?
09:43I don't know.
09:43I didn't watch it.
09:44Why would I watch it?
09:45They had a nice moment there that was captured by, I think, Shador's video team.
09:50Do you think, Mary Kay, if Shador had played better, that Miles Garrett is still a Cleveland
09:56Brown today?
09:57Oh, that's hard to say because I think that Miles was going for something more than a quarterback
10:03playing better than he played last year.
10:05Miles was going for the bright lights and the big city and a chance at the Super Bowl and
10:10all of those kinds of things.
10:11And I still don't think that that was going to be enough to make him want to stay here.
10:16Yeah, lots of people want to be in the bright lights in the big city.
10:21And had things gone better, he would still be here because they would have a closer answer
10:27to their quarterback.
10:29But things didn't go well for anybody playing the position.
10:32And I can make every excuse in the world or I can tell everybody the truth.
10:37You wanted another first round pick?
10:39You got another first round pick.
10:40Why do they want first round picks?
10:42Because they want to draft another defensive lineman?
10:46Don't insult the listener's intelligence.
10:49That's why I'm agitated with you over this.
10:51I do have the awards from last night.
10:53Now, best play went to...
10:55Don't one cares.
10:56They don't care.
10:57I'm going to go to the phones.
10:58I'm not...
10:58No, you don't.
10:59You don't care.
11:00Don't listen.
11:01Best play went to OG Ananobi for the New York Knicks.
11:04I remember that.
11:05Now, I wondered if Shador got nominated for that one throw he had against Tennessee, but
11:10he was not.
11:12So, I hope he uses that as motivation.
11:14Just don't do the Jason Lloyd come in here and act like a martyr because your mentions
11:17are all nasty after you do this.
11:19At least give me that courtesy.
11:21Could you not?
11:24You got that?
11:24Now, is he going to be up for best comeback athlete next year?
11:30Because that went to Christian McCaffrey of the 49ers.
11:35Yeah, best athlete with disability.
11:37He is not up for that one.
11:38Um, best NFL player went to Miles Garrett.
11:41Shohei Ohtani won best MLB player.
11:43Well, technically, being a teammate of the guy who won it, these are the categories?
11:49Yeah.
11:50Did you guys see Mike Tyson had no idea who Shohei Ohtani was?
11:54He thought it was a girl.
11:54I did see that.
11:56You thought Shohei Ohtani was a woman?
11:58Yes.
11:59I mean, Mike Tyson is still bigger in this country than Shohei Ohtani is, right?
12:03Hmm, yeah.
12:05Yeah.
12:06Eh.
12:07Eh.
12:08Yeah?
12:09Yeah.
12:10I, yeah.
12:13Yeah.
12:14Yeah.
12:15Yeah.
12:16Yeah.
12:18Mackenzie, who's bigger?
12:19Shohei Ohtani or Mike Tyson?
12:22I don't know.
12:24I think Mike Tyson right now.
12:25That's an answer.
12:26Maurice in the Bay Area.
12:28Who's the bigger figure in American sports right now?
12:31Mike Tyson or Shohei Ohtani?
12:34Shohei.
12:35All right, stay there, Maurice.
12:37Larry in Cleveland, who's the bigger figure in...
12:39You know me, man.
12:40Larry.
12:41I call him Larry the motivator.
12:43Larry.
12:44Hey, you guys.
12:45How you doing, man?
12:46How you doing?
12:46Hey.
12:47Oh, no.
12:48Mm-mm.
12:48No.
12:49You got to answer a question.
12:50Yes, sir.
12:51Who's the bigger figure in American sports?
12:53Is it right now?
12:54Right now, as of 9.07 this morning, who is the bigger figure in American sports?
12:59Mike Tyson or Shohei Ohtani?
13:04Uh, Toyota.
13:05Okay, that's two.
13:06I'm going to give it to...
13:07Running away with that.
13:07The tie goes to the listeners.
13:09All right, now I'm going to get back to Maurice, and I want him to yell at you.
13:12Go ahead, Maurice.
13:14No, I mean, I ain't going to yell at you either.
13:18Well, then why did I take your call?
13:20I want you to yell at Anthony.
13:22Because, man, at the end of the day, we have decent conversations.
13:25He's insulting your intelligence, Maurice.
13:28I know you're a Shador guy.
13:29You know what he's doing here.
13:31You should tell him he's an insult.
13:34No, I mean, at the end of the day, Miles is going to leave regardless.
13:37It's not about your quarterback situation.
13:39No, he wasn't.
13:39He wasn't going to quit the game of football.
13:41He wasn't going anywhere.
13:42No, he wasn't.
13:43But he was going to go to a team regardless.
13:46They probably had a handshake deal last year.
13:48So, wait, if they went to the playoffs, where did you get a handshake deal from?
13:52You can't just make things up out of thin air, Maurice.
13:55You see what Mary Kay said?
13:57The bright lights.
13:58He was going to always go to a different team.
13:59So, had Shador Sanders.
14:02So, had Shador Sanders.
14:03He doesn't need to be top five either.
14:04So, had Shador Sanders had taken the Browns to the AFC Championship game,
14:10Miles Garrett would still be traded.
14:11As a rookie kid with those circumstances.
14:14I want to ask you.
14:16I didn't ask for excuses.
14:18I asked for an answer.
14:19No, those aren't excuses.
14:20Had they gone to the – I'll give you this.
14:22Had they gone to the playoffs with Shador Sanders' quarterback,
14:24would Miles Garrett still be traded?
14:30Yes.
14:31Nope.
14:31He's lying to himself.
14:32He's lying to himself.
14:34Oh, no.
14:34Come on.
14:35Come on.
14:38Nope.
14:38I want honesty and integrity on this show.
14:41That's what Anthony has given us all day.
14:42He knew it.
14:43He knew the answer.
14:44And he should have just – he should have just said no.
14:47But he said yes.
14:50Guys, there's beauty in admitting you're wrong.
14:53I don't want you to do it too soon, but there's beauty in admitting you're wrong.
14:56I'm telling you.
14:56That's the one thing our business doesn't have.
14:58Nobody wants to admit they're wrong.
15:00I've done it several times.
15:01It's a beautiful thing.
15:04I had to do it.
15:04You're still only like 40% admitted.
15:06Exactly.
15:07But the Michigan thing, I admitted I was wrong the next day.
15:10And there were plenty of people going, hey, yeah, that one got away from you.
15:12There were plenty of people who still told me to go bleep myself.
15:15But there was –
15:15The Christian's infidelity?
15:16No, I was right about that.
15:20That Ward Manuel knew about that?
15:22Yeah, that's a champion's pose on that one.
15:24Thanks, Dan Wetzel.
15:25I've got to move on.
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