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00:00:16In my career I've helped make sequencing of human and other genomes, all your genes possible and
00:00:25then affordable, so bringing it down from $3 billion to $300.
00:00:30I've also been involved in writing and editing DNA, which involves being able to synthesize
00:00:36DNA from scratch and also to make tiny edits with enzymes like CRISPR.
00:00:42I probably should have no opinion being a scientist as open to possibilities.
00:00:48To some extent the entire universe has some kind of intelligence to it.
00:00:51It just has this amazing computational ability.
00:00:56Yeah, I think we haven't even scratched the surface even in all science fiction of what
00:01:03aliens could be like.
00:01:05It's exciting the possibility that we are not only seeing aliens but having close encounters
00:01:11with them.
00:01:22Were you visited by aliens as well?
00:01:24Yeah, and I had a UFO experience.
00:01:26That was in 67, 68.
00:01:29And you weren't high or anything?
00:01:31No, I didn't do drugs, I didn't drink back then.
00:01:33And who visited?
00:01:34They just randomly picked me and I woke up while they were doing it.
00:01:38I'm going, what the fuck's going on?
00:01:39My room was white.
00:01:45We're talking today with Harvard University psychiatrist, John Mack, who studied the cases
00:01:49of about 100 people, at least, who claim that they've been abducted by aliens.
00:01:54One of Dr. Mack's patients, Randy here, says his abduction occurred while he was awake.
00:02:04What do you remember from that moment on?
00:02:07When I regained consciousness, it wasn't real quick.
00:02:11I didn't know where I was.
00:02:12I felt like I was dying.
00:02:14And this is what really fueled the panic when I finally laid eyes on these creatures.
00:02:35They seem to cut across every socioeconomic level.
00:02:40They seem to be, this is kind of paradoxical since everyone's always trying to blame this
00:02:44on psychopathology, they seem to be unusually mentally sound.
00:02:49In other words, they seem to pick people who are particularly strong, stable, open-minded.
00:02:56My name's Terry.
00:02:57I'm an experiencer.
00:02:59My name is Travis Walton, and I'm an experiencer.
00:03:04I prefer experiencer.
00:03:05I've never liked the word abductee, I don't know why, it kind of creeps me out.
00:03:09Contactee sounds a little 50ish, 1950s weirdo.
00:03:13I had experiences.
00:03:15My name is Debbie, and I'm an experiencer.
00:03:22How I got into this work is something that's a little difficult for me to explain.
00:03:30It was not anything that I had planned.
00:03:34I was interested in hypnosis and hypnotherapy by what I had read, but my heart was really
00:03:41in working with cancer patients.
00:03:44Once I received the couple of abduction cases or possible abduction cases in the beginning
00:03:50of my practice, I thought it would be very interesting to work with people who feel that
00:03:55they have been contacted.
00:03:57So this experience often starts in childhood and follows the person throughout their life.
00:04:04As an example, I am working on a case now where she told me that she and her sister, when
00:04:12they were young children, shared the same dream.
00:04:16Well, then my red flag goes up, you know, people don't share the same dream.
00:04:20Something may have happened.
00:04:28My name is Skylar Collins.
00:04:30I am a professional hairdresser, and I've been doing hair for going on 10 years, as well
00:04:36as a musician.
00:04:38I'd say that the beginning of all of this kind of happened for me when I was a child.
00:04:42My sister and I are a year and nine days apart, so growing up, everyone always thought we
00:04:46were twins.
00:04:48You know, we have a lot of features that look similar, but definitely two separate personalities.
00:04:53One day, we both woke up and told each other that we both had this similar dream.
00:04:57I think I was either six or seven, so she was either seven or eight.
00:05:01And this first dream we had was like this mansion that we were trapped in.
00:05:06And we both confirmed that it was the same setup in this living room.
00:05:10The people that were in the dream were the same.
00:05:12Almost a year later, it was in the same situation again, where we both woke up and told each
00:05:15other this dream.
00:05:16This dream was a little bit different, where we were at a family party, and eventually all
00:05:20the kids in the dream got, you know, absorbed into this, like, floating tornado.
00:05:26Everything went black.
00:05:28And then we were thrown back down.
00:05:30I just thought it was a dream, didn't really think anything of it, but apparently, um, it's
00:05:33not common to have identical dreams with siblings.
00:05:37So we always kind of just thought it was some sort of alien abduction because being literally
00:05:41sucked out of the, you know, into the sky.
00:05:44So one of the opportunities that was given to us was to go through dream regression and
00:05:49go through hypnotherapy.
00:05:50It'd be a great opportunity to see what, what my options are, what my chances are figuring
00:05:55out if this was real or not.
00:05:56And then I can, you know, decide based on if it works or not, how to interpret what we
00:06:01learn.
00:06:16I don't think that anything will really come of this hypnotherapy because I'm kind of stubborn.
00:06:22I'm someone who have never, never been able to get into yoga because I can't let my brain
00:06:26go.
00:06:26I'm a very consciously moving person, so it's hard for me to shut off everything around
00:06:30me.
00:06:31I'm going to go through the process of what we're going to do today.
00:06:35Take some notes.
00:06:36I'm not going to control your mind.
00:06:38Okay.
00:06:39I'm not going to be unconscious.
00:06:41A lot of people go, God, I don't think I'm in hypnosis.
00:06:43I can just get up and walk out of here.
00:06:45And you can, but you're giving me permission to allow me to be your facilitator.
00:06:51Okay, so just keep that in mind.
00:06:58I think this would be a great opportunity to see if this was real or not, and then I
00:07:01can, you know, decide based on if it works or not, how to interpret what we learn.
00:07:25You will not be anxious or distressed, but you will remember everything and you will
00:07:33tell me everything.
00:07:38As the niece of Betty and Barney Hill, I've had a long-term interest in contact and attempting
00:07:45to discover the answers that I've looked for for many years.
00:07:52My Aunt Betty Hill was a very curious, very strong person.
00:07:59There was very little that she was afraid of.
00:08:01She married a black man in 1960.
00:08:03She was a social worker in the state of New Hampshire and very active in the civil rights
00:08:09movement as well.
00:08:12Barney had been a very jovial person.
00:08:16He had a lot of charisma, and I think that this is why in 1965 he was appointed to the
00:08:23U.S. Civil Rights State Advisory Commission.
00:08:26He was active in the NAACP.
00:08:29He spoke to the public promoting civil rights.
00:08:33He also went on Martin Luther King's March on Washington.
00:08:41Barney had decided to surprise Betty with a short vacation trip, so they went to Niagara Falls,
00:08:48drove up to Montreal.
00:08:50They had intended to spend the night there, but there was a hurricane coming up the coast,
00:08:55so they wanted to return home before it hit.
00:09:00As they were driving through northern New Hampshire, Betty saw a new light in the sky.
00:09:06She wondered if it might be a satellite, and so she started to watch it as it grew larger
00:09:13and larger in the sky.
00:09:15She wanted Barney to stop the car so that she could get a better look at this thing to try
00:09:21to identify it.
00:09:26When they finally arrived home, they were at least two hours later than they had anticipated.
00:09:34Betty's clothes were torn.
00:09:37Barney's best dress shoes were so deeply scraped that he had to buy new shoes.
00:09:42The watches they were wearing that night never ran again.
00:09:46Betty especially wanted to learn more and more.
00:09:50Barney, unfortunately, developed what we know today as post-traumatic stress disorder.
00:09:56He developed a bleeding ulcer, high blood pressure, and these things would not recede
00:10:03with traditional medical treatment.
00:10:05He was greatly distressed by his conscious recall of feeling that he was going to be captured
00:10:12and then having evidence that he might have indeed been captured.
00:10:17He was referred to a renowned psychiatrist in Boston, Massachusetts, Dr. Benjamin Simon.
00:10:25He worked with veterans returning from the war during World War II.
00:10:31He used deep trance hypnosis to help his patients resolve the trauma that they had experienced.
00:10:39Betty and Barney, under separate hypnosis, relived the same events.
00:10:53We're driving along. I don't know where we are.
00:11:02I don't even know how we got here.
00:11:05We've been driving, and I don't know how long, and we haven't even been talking.
00:11:10I've just been sitting here feeling that something's going to happen.
00:11:15We feel deeper and deeper, deeper asleep.
00:11:18You will remember everything, and you will tell me everything.
00:11:24Yes.
00:11:27I pulled over to the side of the road.
00:11:33Betty is trying to make me think this is a flying saucer.
00:11:38And I don't.
00:11:41I try to maintain control so Betty cannot tell I am scared.
00:11:50God, I'm scared.
00:11:52They won't talk to me.
00:11:55Who won't talk to you?
00:11:57The men.
00:11:58They are standing in the road.
00:12:02Did they have faces like other people?
00:12:04His eyes were slanted.
00:12:07I see it so.
00:12:08His eyes were slanted.
00:12:10But not like a Chinese.
00:12:15I've got to get my gun.
00:12:19I've got to get my gun!
00:12:21All right.
00:12:23Calm now.
00:12:24Relax.
00:12:25Deeply relaxed.
00:12:29What was Penny doing all this time?
00:12:32He's trying to start the car.
00:12:33But it won't start.
00:12:34And the men are coming towards us.
00:12:37And I think, well, I can't get away from this.
00:12:40If I get the car door off like a relative with the side.
00:12:44And then they come up.
00:12:46And they open it for me.
00:12:48This creature, this leader is telling me something.
00:12:52He's telling you something.
00:12:53How?
00:12:54How is he getting it to you?
00:12:56I can see it in his face.
00:12:58Do you see it in his face?
00:13:00Yes.
00:13:00No.
00:13:01I'm sorry.
00:13:02How could you be sure he would tell you this?
00:13:06Guys.
00:13:09Guys.
00:13:12He says, you don't have any reason to be afraid.
00:13:16We're not going to have you.
00:13:18And they're taking me up to the object.
00:13:21I don't want to go on it.
00:13:23I don't know what's going to happen if I go on it.
00:13:26Did you feel you were going to be attacked anyway?
00:13:30No.
00:13:31I was laying on the table.
00:13:32No.
00:13:34The examiner unzips my dress off.
00:13:38I lie down on the table on my back.
00:13:42And the examiner has a little needle in his head.
00:13:48It's bigger than any needle I've ever seen.
00:13:52And my file was open.
00:13:54And I thought, are they putting a cup around my private parts?
00:14:00And he sticks with me and puts it to my table.
00:14:04And I'm crying and I tell her it's hurting and hurting and hurting to see it out.
00:14:10And then the leader, he goes over and he puts his hand in front of my eyes.
00:14:19And he says, I'll be alright.
00:14:20I won't feel it.
00:14:25And all the pain goes away.
00:14:27I asked the leader, I said, why did he think the needle is my navel?
00:14:32And he said it was a pregnancy test.
00:14:34And I said, that was no pregnancy test here.
00:14:47I thought, how funny.
00:14:50If I keep real quiet and real still, I won't be harmed and it will be over.
00:14:58He went over, did something in the metal of the wall.
00:15:03There was an opening and he pulled down a map.
00:15:08He asked me, had I ever seen a map like this before?
00:15:13It was an oblong map.
00:15:16And he said that the heavy lines would trade routes.
00:15:20And then the other lines, the solid lines, were places they went occasionally.
00:15:30The broken lines were expeditions.
00:15:34I asked him, where was his home port?
00:15:38He said, where are you on this map?
00:15:42I looked and I laughed and I said, I don't know.
00:15:47So he said, well then, if you don't know where you are, there wouldn't be any point of my telling
00:15:56you where I am.
00:16:01Later, Marjorie Fish, a brilliant woman, took that star map and did years of research to try to find the
00:16:12stars that Betty had sketched.
00:16:16And then in 1971, there was a new astronomical catalog published.
00:16:23There were now three stars on the map that hadn't been there before.
00:16:29She added the new stars and she had a match for Betty's star map.
00:16:35The two stars in the foreground with Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2.
00:16:46And where are you now?
00:16:49I open my eyes and there is the car.
00:16:55And Dulcie is in a tight ball to the seat.
00:17:02I see Betty. She gets into the car and I am grinning at her and she is grinning back at
00:17:11me.
00:17:11And we both seem so elated.
00:17:14And I'm thinking it isn't too bad.
00:17:18How funny. I have no reason to fear.
00:17:22And we look and I see a bright moon.
00:17:28And I laugh and say, well, there it goes.
00:17:33And I'm happy.
00:17:49I'm Dr. Michael Masters. I'm a professor of biological anthropology at Montana Tech.
00:17:54And as a paleoanthropologist, I would be doing things almost identical to what's described in reports of close encounters.
00:18:05I'd be taking skin samples, hair samples, fecal samples, which could be what gives rise to the anal probing aspect
00:18:12of this phenomenon.
00:18:14I would be studying culture.
00:18:16I would be studying the things that don't preserve in the fossil record.
00:18:19Things that we could only know by being a part of that past and observing those individuals and those cultures
00:18:26as living, breathing things.
00:18:32I interpret their behaviors in the context of this lens that I see through.
00:18:36But what they do, how they do it, when they do it, all of these things seem to indicate that
00:18:42there's some research mission.
00:18:46That there's some attempt at discovering their own history and where they came from in the deep future.
00:18:56Perhaps it stems from my own bias as an anthropologist, as a biological anthropologist, that's what I would do with
00:19:03this.
00:19:07What has happened to these people is what they say has happened to them, even though I fully recognize that
00:19:13that's not possible in the world view in which they and I were raised.
00:19:18Well, then how is it possible?
00:19:21Well, that's the question, isn't it?
00:19:23Either we try to shrink the phenomenon into something where, as far as I can tell, it won't fit, or
00:19:29we're going to have to stretch our notions of the possible.
00:19:45I passed five different lie detector tests from three different examiners, all with years of law enforcement experience as interrogators.
00:19:59We had been working some long, hard days, and just as usual at that time period, we worked up until
00:20:07dark, packed up our equipment.
00:20:08We were headed home, and we saw this glow through the trees up ahead.
00:20:15The strangeness of the glow kind of made me think that perhaps deer hunters were camped up there on the
00:20:22ridge.
00:20:23You know how you can have a lantern inside of a tent, and it puts off a glow, but it
00:20:29was just something odd about it.
00:20:31You know, the idea that skeptics put forth that what we really saw was the planet Jupiter in the distance,
00:20:37and that's absurd.
00:20:38This was a clearly defined metallic object hovering there in the clearing less than 100 feet away.
00:20:45Everybody knew what it was.
00:20:46And immediately, one of the men, Alan Dallas, yelled out,
00:20:50It's a flying saucer.
00:20:52I mean, it was just, there was no doubt of what we were looking at.
00:20:57I threw open the door and headed towards it.
00:21:01There was a little bit of bravado, maybe a little show off going on there, but I thought this thing
00:21:08would take off before I got that close.
00:21:11Looking up at it, it was extremely shiny and giving off light at the same time.
00:21:19The noise it was making was pretty scary, basically off the range of human hearing on the high and the
00:21:26low end.
00:21:29I decided to run back to the truck, and when I stood up to run back, I closed the distance
00:21:36between my upper body and the craft, and that's when this blast hit me.
00:21:43It threw me 15 or 20 feet.
00:21:46John said my body fell in a clump like a sack of meat.
00:21:51They said they panicked, and it took off.
00:21:55And when they expressed the idea that one of our men is lost, you know, maybe killed, you know, the
00:22:03sheriff and his men, their attention really perked up.
00:22:07What do you mean, maybe killed?
00:22:09The suspicion that this was some kind of a cover story for murder began almost immediately.
00:22:14So the men just protested, saying, we're telling the truth.
00:22:19We'll take any kind of test you want.
00:22:21The sheriff took them up on it.
00:22:23So all the men passed their lie detector tests, and the sheriff organized a search.
00:22:33Eventually, they increased the number of searchers.
00:22:36There were men on horseback, aircraft, helicopters, airplanes.
00:22:40They even brought in the tracking dogs from the local prison.
00:22:44Those dogs were unable to find a trail beyond the edge of the road, where I'd gotten out of the
00:22:51truck, up to where my body fell, and that was the end of the trail.
00:22:55So that was pretty significant.
00:23:06After losing consciousness, the very next memory that I had was a foggy sort of perception of where I was.
00:23:16The pain I was feeling led me to believe that I somehow got hurt in fleeing, and that they had
00:23:24taken me to the hospital.
00:23:25And so when my vision cleared and I was finally able to focus, I could see that these definitely were
00:23:30not doctors, that these were these strange creatures looking at me.
00:23:34And I instantly became hysterical.
00:23:43It's not easy to talk about.
00:23:49It was very claustrophobic.
00:23:51I was having a lot of difficulty breathing, and I associated this feeling of suffocation with the faces of these
00:24:02beings.
00:24:03To this day, you know, in my entire life, that was the greatest fear I've ever experienced.
00:24:12These small beings, they were all the same size, cooperating and moving sort of in unison, led me to think
00:24:20that they were probably telepathic to each other, and attempting to be so with me.
00:24:27But it was my neurological injury of being hit by this beam in this craft that made it to where
00:24:35they couldn't effect some mind control sort of a thing.
00:24:40And something that adds to that was the brainwave scan that I had when I was returned.
00:24:47It showed evidence of some anomalous patterns that later disappeared.
00:24:55My anxiety about subsequent bad health effects, you know, that there would be some sort of premature aging or cancer
00:25:04or radiation sickness, some sort of bizarre infection, none of that materialized.
00:25:09On the contrary, I didn't get sick at all.
00:25:13I never called in sick one time in 40 years.
00:25:16Is that proof that they did some kind of repairs that might have resulted in a little bit of a
00:25:23tune-up or a health benefit?
00:25:25Possible. Is it proof? No.
00:25:27You know, I try to live a healthy life. It could have been due to that.
00:25:30But it was certainly the opposite of coming down with bad effects.
00:25:40I'm constantly confronted by people who have all the answers and they want to tell me who these beings are
00:25:48and what they represent.
00:25:50I don't think anybody really knows that and intentionally so.
00:25:55I think these beings are holding back on that kind of information.
00:25:59I don't believe in the idea that these beings have been for several hundred years creeping around trying to come
00:26:08up with a way to take over.
00:26:09That just doesn't make sense.
00:26:11If they felt nothing for us, it would be very simple to eliminate us.
00:26:15There wouldn't be dogfights with our fighter jets and their craft in the sky.
00:26:21They're way superior to that level of combat or hostility.
00:26:27I just don't think it the way it is.
00:26:39ten, nine, eight, seven, six, you're almost there...
00:26:48and five, four, three, two, one, and zero.
00:26:57grow. Allow yourself now to gently drift back in time to the time when you were a little
00:27:07girl, about seven years old. And as you come closer to the house, describe where you are
00:27:17in that house and how everybody and everything looks around you. I'm by my bunk bed. The
00:27:34door is cracked open. I'm not really, like, standing on the floor. I'm kind of, like, looking
00:27:43at it from the corner of the room up top. It's very quiet. I don't think anyone's home trying
00:27:49to, like, be asleep, but, like, super restless. It doesn't feel calm anymore. It feels really,
00:28:02just feel, like, really uneasy. I feel, like, scared. I keep, like, glancing over at my closet
00:28:08I had when I was a kid. It was always scary to me. I just, like, keep seeing it over
00:28:13to
00:28:13the side. My closet's just really weird. My eyes just can't relax right now. It just feels
00:28:19like lightning. It just feels bright like lightning. I don't know why. I just really just can't
00:28:29stop looking at my closet in my eyes right now. Just try to describe what is there, what you're
00:28:37sensing. I just feel super scared. But it's like I don't want to go over there. But there's
00:28:45just, like, this light. It's like a bluish-white light. I get this blue-white description all the
00:28:54time. Usually, when people describe a light shining down, it's coming from a craft. But
00:29:00I don't suggest that to her. She didn't say it. She didn't say a craft. But she just saw
00:29:05the blue-white light. The closet's black. But I can see this, like, this, like, gray light.
00:29:15It's not even, like, a light. But it's, like, nothing's reflecting on it. But it's there.
00:29:18And I can see just, like, this gray around the black.
00:29:22It feels just like staring. But it's not, like, a scary feeling of that. It just feels
00:29:38like I'm not alone. And I think that's, like, the part that's making me nervous is knowing
00:29:44that there's something else there that I don't know what it is.
00:29:48Okay. Just remember, whatever happened, you came out of it. And you're safe. And now you're
00:29:59allowing yourself to describe what you're seeing or sensing.
00:30:04It feels like I'm, like, inside of, like, a brown teapot. It's, like, just gray. My bed
00:30:12is there. The door is just in my closet still open. As you're looking at the door in that
00:30:21area near the door, are you seeing anything else? I am. I don't know if that's real.
00:30:28Don't try not to question. Don't analyze yourself. It just feels like there's, like, a...
00:30:39It feels like there's black tile outside the door. I'm peeking around the door. It feels
00:30:45like there's a desk. Like, control desk. Like, a desk where you have controls there. It doesn't
00:30:51look like buttons. It looks like squares. It looks almost like a pull start on, like,
00:30:58a weed whack. There's, like, a red pull start. And there's a black square above the desk.
00:31:05Is that a window? I don't think it's a window. It looks like a monitor that's just off. But
00:31:09there's no core. It's just, like, a floating, thin, black piece of glass just above the desk.
00:31:16I feel like I need to not be in that room. I feel like I need to...
00:31:21Now, take a deep breath. And just feel yourself going to the right. I feel like I need to go
00:31:29check on myself almost. My red flags go up when people tell me that. It was like a conflict
00:31:37of, is she going to allow herself to go with this experience. She was very concerned about,
00:31:43oh, no, I have to check on myself. It feels really weird. It feels really uncomfortable.
00:31:48It feels like I'm going to get into trouble. I wish I could draw it. I wish I was explaining
00:31:52it well. It's just like this... You'll remember every detail you'll be able to draw it.
00:31:55It's like a circle. It almost feels like I'm, like, like I'm in a bowl.
00:32:02And now I'm starting to feel like this is a test. It almost feels like a test. It doesn't
00:32:09feel like my body's being intruding, because my body's still over to this side on the bunk
00:32:15bed, but I feel like I'm being observed. Like it, like it, like I'm, like it's a test.
00:32:23The room is, just went dark. We're going to stop right here.
00:32:36Just say whatever's coming into your brain. Yeah. I think like, well, first off, I really
00:32:42thought we were going to focus on trying to get to that dream, but I guess that's how this
00:32:45works sometimes is like you go one way and it turns out it's completely something else.
00:32:49And I almost feel like that dream was like a weird, like implant. Like, here you go.
00:32:54Like, there's a memory for you. Like, here's a little dream. You and your friends at a party
00:32:58and there was a storm and whatever, who cares? You know, that felt, to me, that felt completely
00:33:04like planted. She kept referring to her closet. I always hated my closet. My sister knew it.
00:33:11I always felt like it was bad. It felt horrible, horrible. Like I felt like I just wanted it to
00:33:18just
00:33:18not be there. And I don't know what that gray thing was. It almost, this is going to sound so
00:33:24weird,
00:33:25weird, but it felt like, like it, like a amoeba shaped outline, but there was like nothing in it.
00:33:32It was just like a gray amoeba. And it was tall, like a tall gray amoeba in black, just like
00:33:38watching,
00:33:39like not even watching, but lurking and like stalking this gray, tall figure looking at this little girl
00:33:48in her bunk bed. I try not to lead anybody into, oh, it's, it's an alien. You know, she just
00:33:56kept saying
00:33:57it's there. And that's what she was feeling uncomfortable about that. Wait a minute. This is my bedroom.
00:34:04I'm supposed to be by myself. Nobody's supposed to be here. Almost felt like the observation I felt
00:34:10when I was in the, the, the bowl. Like when I said, like, I feel like I'm being watched and
00:34:15being
00:34:16tested. It was that same feeling as when I was in my room. It was like a fear where I'm
00:34:20like, am I
00:34:20going to get in trouble? What am I doing? Why am I here? Why am I being observed? It was
00:34:24just very
00:34:26typical of an abductee experiencer. I saw something I've never seen before. I've never, I've never seen
00:34:33anything like this, that little room with like a huge observation, like pod. I think that's what
00:34:39kind of messed with me the most, but being able to come out of it and being, I mean, I'm
00:34:43also like a
00:34:44very, you know, back to reality person. So for me, I'm like, now I just want to be like, how
00:34:48do I like
00:34:49apply this? Like, I'm excited about it. I, I just feel like there's more and I'm like, just like ready
00:34:55to
00:34:56go out and figure out more stuff about this. Cause that was, uh, I think it was pretty life changing.
00:35:02I just know from my experience, there's much more there in their childhood.
00:35:14Hi. Hi, you should come out to LA and you should be a part of this and you should do
00:35:17dream regression
00:35:18too. Really? Can you tell me a little bit more about it or anything else like that came of this?
00:35:24Um, not really. Uh, cause I don't really want to ruin your experience. I think you should have
00:35:28like your own idea about everything, but it was just really cool and really informative and, uh,
00:35:32we have support to do it. We'll figure it out a time and day and everything just come out.
00:35:37Okay. Okay. I love you. I'll keep in touch with you. Love you too. Okay. Bye. Bye.
00:35:43I can't wait for my sister to have this experience. If she ends up coming out here for this, cause
00:35:48she's even more emotional than me. Um, so I think you could probably figure out a lot from
00:35:53her and hopefully she'll have some explanation about her life. But I really want to find out
00:35:58about more about that closet and more about this other dream. Cause the other one is the adventure
00:36:03dream. That one's wild.
00:36:12If I'm one of these creatures that's visiting earth, uh, I'm most likely, I would say a time
00:36:20traveler or an interdimensional, uh, traveler. There's really so many possibilities. Uh, it'd
00:36:28be lovely to get a little more information to limit those possibilities.
00:36:37I became interested in this question of UFOs and aliens when I was about eight years old.
00:36:43My father had bought a book called Communion by Whitley Streber. And I looked up at this book
00:36:48on the living room shelf and had sort of this mental image of, uh, a chimpanzee like creature,
00:36:55an early hominin, if you will, a modern human, and then this alien form on the book cover.
00:37:00And I wondered, could there be a connection here? Could they maybe be us in the future coming
00:37:05back through time to study their own evolutionary past?
00:37:12Once I had this sort of mental image, I became very interested in the question of UFOs and started
00:37:20to follow the work of Stanton Friedman and others who are researching it from a very scientific
00:37:25perspective to understand how others are looking at this. What can we learn through the lens of
00:37:30science with regard to this question and all the mysteries that surround it? The main reason I believe
00:37:35that these are simply future humans, our extra-tempestrial descendants, is because if we look at the long history
00:37:42of hominin evolution, the main trends are an increase in brain size and reduction in our facial anatomy,
00:37:49or shift toward orthognathism, as we call it. That has occurred in concert with standing upright.
00:37:55Our heads had to rotate down to see where we were going once we became bipedal six to eight million
00:38:01years ago.
00:38:01In doing that, it caused our basocranium to flex, and that opened up more space within the neurocranium,
00:38:08the calvarium, where our brain could grow larger and larger over time. Once we developed culture,
00:38:14once we started to produce stone tools and we had fire, that released our faces of the burdens of chewing,
00:38:22mastication, and that allowed our brains to grow even farther and to reduce the face even more.
00:38:27Height is an interesting characteristic. It's actually very much influenced by the environment.
00:38:33So, for instance, after the Great Depression, during times of warfare, when resources are in scarce supply,
00:38:39we actually become much shorter. And when there's more food available, when the population's healthy,
00:38:45such as with the Dutch, right now they're among the tallest people in the world,
00:38:49it's very much a possibility that in our evolutionary future we can see that same fluctuation,
00:38:56the same ebb and flow, where we get taller and shorter again.
00:38:59So these grays, some are reported to be very short, others are reported to be very tall, skinny, kind of
00:39:05frail.
00:39:06But importantly, they're all bipedal. They're all described as being upright walking.
00:39:10And that connection, that trait, is actually what defines our lineage, the hominin lineage.
00:39:15So I think it's important to take all of these into consideration.
00:39:18Many of these reports describe dark eyes, cold eyes, but it's very likely that,
00:39:24depending on where these individuals live, that they would have darkened lenses,
00:39:29possibly even lenses that can do a number of different things together
00:39:33to help them see better in different conditions, or to serve other purposes, focusing like binoculars.
00:39:39And if those same trends that dominate the whole of hominin evolution over the last six to eight million years,
00:39:46if those trends continue into the future, we would expect the eyes to grow much larger as well.
00:39:50We're very likely to look like these alien beings.
00:39:59What the source of this is, who these beings are, where they come from, what creates this intelligence, I don't
00:40:07know.
00:40:07But there's something profoundly important going on here that is authentic and real.
00:40:29A friend and I decided to take a camping trip.
00:40:32We drove into Devil's Den State Park, and we came up upon a hill, and when we crusted it,
00:40:38it opened up into this gorgeous meadow.
00:40:42On the horizon were three stars in a tight little triangle.
00:40:48Each star was almost as bright as the North Star, and it moved.
00:40:54We were excited, and we were, whoa, and we're watching this thing.
00:41:00And that's when I felt this feeling of calm wash over me for the first time.
00:41:06I don't know how much time passed, but I believe it was about four hours.
00:41:09Our watches had both stopped. They were mechanical watches.
00:41:13They both stopped around 240.
00:41:14And my friend was on his knees peering out the tent, and I could see there were these flashes of
00:41:21lights.
00:41:21I could see tracks of tears down his face.
00:41:24And all that feeling of calm and apathy that I felt earlier was gone, and there was nothing now but
00:41:30abject terror.
00:41:30I got to my knees, and I pulled back my flap of the tent, and I look out, and I
00:41:36noticed two things.
00:41:38The craft that had been 3,000 feet above us had now descended, and is just 30 feet over the
00:41:44meadow.
00:41:45And I noticed what I thought first to be children walking around the meadow.
00:41:52And I asked Toby, I said, Toby, man, what are these kids doing out here in the middle of this
00:41:55meadow in the middle of the night?
00:41:58And he said, man, those ain't no little kids, Terry.
00:42:01They're not human beings.
00:42:03They took us, and they hurt us. Don't you remember?
00:42:09I became aware that I was in some type of operating room.
00:42:14There was a white domed ceiling and a white pedestal table.
00:42:18And I recall thinking that the table should have been cold to the touch, but it wasn't.
00:42:23It was warm, and it was probably warm from the bodies that had been on prior to me.
00:42:28I'm darting my eyes around because it's all I can move, and trying to take in as much as possible,
00:42:35I saw not only that there were the little grays around, six-foot-tall, pinkish-colored guy that seemed to
00:42:40be in charge,
00:42:41but there was human beings aboard this craft, five, what appeared to be military.
00:42:49Guys 18 to early 20s, military-style haircuts, tan flight suits, orange insignias.
00:42:57And I was trying to make eye contact with them, and they would not look at us.
00:43:01They would not look in our direction.
00:43:04When they took me into the room and did the medical experimentation on me,
00:43:09there was an insectoid-like creature, maybe seven feet tall.
00:43:16So there were a couple of different types of entities, and I think that they were all working in concert.
00:43:22I have an opinion about the grays that I should add here, or at least the ones that I came
00:43:27in contact with.
00:43:28I don't believe that they are sentient beings like you and I are.
00:43:32I think there may be a combination of AI, nanotechnology, maybe quantum computing,
00:43:38but I don't think that they are living sentient beings.
00:43:47In terms of trying to explain actual phenomenon that's been recorded,
00:43:51I feel like a technological answer is probably the easiest answer.
00:43:57There is a reason that NASA sends robots to explore outer space.
00:44:03I mean, it's really handy to be able to build a technology
00:44:05that's perfectly suited for the environment that you're going to be exploring.
00:44:09And so if I were going to explore an alien world, I would definitely send a robotic probe,
00:44:14because as a biological creature it's much harder for me to change my biology
00:44:19than it is for me to build a technology that's going to be perfectly suited for whatever environment I'm headed
00:44:26to.
00:44:26Whether it's hot depths of Venus or whether I'm on a freezing cold Mars,
00:44:31you can build the robots to suit the environment that you're headed for.
00:44:34This technology is so smart that it doesn't even necessarily care about us.
00:44:40And so it makes decisions without really considering people,
00:44:44and sometimes that's pretty catastrophic for us.
00:44:48In Robopocalypse, the reason we survive is because of our human adaptability
00:44:52and our basic, low-level, devious intelligence and will to survive.
00:44:58And that's kept us going for a couple hundred thousand years,
00:45:02and hopefully it'll keep us going through any alien robot uprisings that we might face in the future.
00:45:11It's possible that they would have a technology where they could come up with a synthetic robot of some sort.
00:45:18I really think that if the intention was to stand in place of a living being,
00:45:23it would be something that resembled humans the most that I would be less combative with.
00:45:31The idea that these beings somehow evolved away from emotion and no longer feel it,
00:45:39and some people even claim that they are curious about us because we feel emotion and they don't feel that
00:45:44anymore.
00:45:45But here's the deal.
00:45:47Once an intelligent, sentient being is capable of telepathy, facial expressions become superfluous.
00:45:56On the contrary, rather than no longer feeling emotion, it might be that they feel it in a much higher,
00:46:03more intense level than we do.
00:46:06When this thing looked at me, he seemed surprised that I was so upset.
00:46:13He kind of cocked his head at me a little bit, and then all of a sudden I got hit
00:46:18with this emotion bomb.
00:46:19And it was as if every emotion that a human could feel, he was blasting at me in some lame
00:46:28attempt to feel something like for me.
00:46:34My experience happened in June of 1977.
00:46:39Steven Spielberg's movie Close Encounters came out in November that same year.
00:46:45It was 30 years before I felt comfortable enough to watch the movie.
00:46:50But when I did, I was struck by a number of parallels.
00:46:53I was absolutely blown away by the fact that he portrayed these men in flight suits.
00:47:01They weren't tan, but there was obviously an exchange of men and women and aliens working in concert toward a
00:47:10common goal.
00:47:12And that's kind of the takeaway from Spielberg's movie is all of these entities working in concert toward some common
00:47:22agenda.
00:47:23And God, I'd love to know what that agenda is.
00:47:31I should do it real quick. I had an alien implant.
00:47:34Okay, hold on. I'm going to unpack that.
00:47:50I asked him, how many of these things have you put in people?
00:47:57The answer shocked me. They said many thousands over three generations now.
00:48:20Should I have my glasses on or off?
00:48:22Let's take them off. That's okay.
00:48:25So Skylar and I, to some degree, are kind of like a mullet.
00:48:29Business in the front and she's party in the back.
00:48:31So we're just complimentary, but very different.
00:48:36One day we both woke up and told each other that we both had this similar dream.
00:48:41And this first dream we had was like this mansion that we were trapped in.
00:48:46Trapped in a house or something like that, a scenario where we were trying to escape.
00:48:50And we both confirmed that it was the same setup in this living room.
00:48:54The people that were in the dream were the same.
00:48:56Probably a couple months after that we both, again, had another dream.
00:49:01And this one was completely different where we were at a family party
00:49:04and eventually all the kids in the dream were outside
00:49:08and there was like a bouncy house that you would see like at a kid's party.
00:49:13But you could see there was some sort of beings inside the bouncy house, but they were not human beings.
00:49:19By the end of the dream, I remember kind of floating or being like higher up, floating tornado.
00:49:26Everything went black and then we were thrown back down.
00:49:29And I remember there being a bluish greenish hue throughout the setting in my dream that I don't know why,
00:49:36but it just gave me the emotion of assuming it was something non-human.
00:49:45I have no idea what's going to happen. I have no reference point.
00:49:50Skylar can't tell me anything, won't tell me anything, so I have no idea what to expect.
00:49:57Best case scenario, we find some interesting information that why maybe Skylar and I both had these dreams on the
00:50:04same nights.
00:50:06Worst case, I am in the same position as I am now, which is I know nothing more than me
00:50:11and Skylar had the same dream,
00:50:13same night, just really weird circumstances.
00:50:17So what we'll do, I'll take you back, I'm going to be regressing you back to when you were a
00:50:23little girl.
00:50:25Your subconscious may remember, I guess, the exact age you were.
00:50:30I'm just nervous and a little anxious to go through the process, but I'm excited to see what comes out
00:50:37of it.
00:50:52It's very hard, it's very hard to, you know, it's very tempting to just sort of waffle about bullshit.
00:51:03But I don't think any, I think it's very hard to talk about it in a way that has any
00:51:09value.
00:51:13However, it's also very clear that the UFO phenomenon is multifaceted and far, far weirder than most people have conceived
00:51:21of.
00:51:21I used to believe in a literal reality of grey beings visiting us in technological craft and abducting people
00:51:31and interacting with them for their own scientific agendas and in a universe of infinite possibilities.
00:51:36It has to be a possibility and people do report it.
00:51:39But we have to question the role of the experiencer in any of these alien encounters.
00:51:47In Reframing the Debate, the book that I edited, one of the authors, Greg Bishop, looks at this idea of
00:51:54co-creation.
00:51:55The idea that the UFO phenomenon and other paranormal phenomena are products of a co-creational process between the observer
00:52:03and yes, something that is separate from us, some exotic external stimuli.
00:52:09I think the biggest problem with studying UFOs now is that people are looking for that one cause.
00:52:15Or they make an assumption about what it is and then they try to fit their evidence that they find
00:52:23and the things that they talk about to people and the things that they ask of witnesses to that preconception.
00:52:29Whether it be they're coming from other planets, which is basically 99.9% of what people think when they're
00:52:36thinking about this.
00:52:37Or they come from another dimension or another time or something like that.
00:52:41And if these beings do actually turn out to be from the future, then ultimately, aren't we talking about the
00:52:47human perspective?
00:52:49Some people have speculated that UFOs are a projection of us.
00:52:55I mean, Carl Jung, of course, in the 50s, thought about the idea that a UFO is symbolic of the
00:53:01human condition,
00:53:02of the wholeness of humanity and hence the UFO being circular.
00:53:06It's almost like a metaphysical manifestation of our collective concerns, anxieties, hopes, fears, desires about the universe at this point
00:53:16in human evolution.
00:53:18So that's sort of a psychosocial theory for UFOs.
00:53:22But of course, how do you explain then when a psychosocial phenomenon seems to have physical effects on witnesses, on
00:53:30terra firma?
00:53:31How do we account for this? There seems to be an ontological physical reality to the phenomenon.
00:53:36And so therefore people automatically then go to the notion that this must be extraterrestrial because what else could there
00:53:41be?
00:53:42When you look at it, people react to it in so many different ways.
00:53:46I think it's something that affects people very deeply in some cases.
00:53:51And that the variety that we see in the UFO subject is due mostly to the variety we see in
00:53:58people
00:53:59and how they perceive things and how they remember things and what their culture tells them.
00:54:03It almost seems, and this is a theory that's been put forward by Jacques Vallée and others,
00:54:10that what we're witnessing or what people are experiencing is more of a performance.
00:54:14It's theatre on the part of whatever intelligence is involved here.
00:54:19Like why do UFOs have blinking lights?
00:54:22What's that about? They don't need blinking lights.
00:54:24We don't need blinking lights on anything. Why do they need blinking lights? That's the show. That's the show.
00:54:29The way they appear to people in many cases, especially in close encounters, it seems like theatre.
00:54:34It seems over the top.
00:54:36Obviously what it is, it wants to be seen. It wants us to be aware of it.
00:54:39I suppose that's the one thing you can draw from this quite certainly,
00:54:42is that whatever the intelligence is, it wants us to be aware of it.
00:54:46Really all we can do is to try to listen to what witnesses have to say without imposing any pre
00:54:55-existing ideologies,
00:54:58beliefs, expectations, desires, obsessions onto that and just to try to gather as much data as possible
00:55:05and to put that data in the hands of people who are qualified to make sense of it.
00:55:10And in the UFO field unfortunately there are very few people who have any official formal qualifications
00:55:16that would help us understand UFO data.
00:55:20Basically the UFO phenomenon resides, is within us.
00:55:24And I think if we concentrate on that, things will start to change.
00:55:28There will be an understanding. Not an answer, but an understanding.
00:55:31I like the word understanding.
00:55:32So maybe that should be part of the aim of ufology or people that study UFOs now,
00:55:37is to understand what's going on.
00:55:39Not to come up with an answer or to prove something.
00:55:48Harvard professor or not, anyone who believes what you do would believe anything.
00:55:55Yeah, I mean, it's really not a matter of believing, Richard.
00:55:58I mean, I think to me this was utterly not possible when I first heard about it.
00:56:03And I didn't write about it. I didn't speak publicly about it for two years.
00:56:08This grew out of the experiences of case after case after case.
00:56:14So it was not like believing anything.
00:56:15It's, I came cautiously, reluctantly, gradually to take this as seriously as I did.
00:56:39I am maybe better known as Kathy Davison, Bud Hopkins' book Intruders.
00:56:45I had experiences most of my life, and a big experience in June 30, 1983.
00:56:53Prior to finding out I was pregnant, I was out with my friend in the middle of the night,
00:56:57stalking her boyfriend in the cornfields.
00:57:00And we had this weird encounter with this crazy light.
00:57:04It was funny because she remembered more of the incident that I did.
00:57:10Do you mean the light on the ground? And I'm like, what light on the ground?
00:57:13She actually remembered the light coming down on the ground.
00:57:15I remember being pulled out of the car by my legs.
00:57:22After that experience, I found out that I was pregnant.
00:57:25My pregnancy was confirmed by our doctor.
00:57:29She actually thought I might be a little farther along than I thought I was.
00:57:32I was already engaged.
00:57:34We already had a wedding date set for June, but we went ahead and moved it up to April so
00:57:39I wouldn't be giant pregnant.
00:57:40About three and a half to four months into it, I had another strange experience while babysitting for my sister.
00:57:47And I woke up the next day immediately thinking something was wrong with my baby.
00:57:53I ended up going to a facility with a friend of mine and had another pregnancy test, which came back
00:57:59negative.
00:58:00The doctor never explained to me where my baby went, why my pregnancy was suddenly not there.
00:58:07He just said he'd seen it before and that it would be best that I just forget that this ever
00:58:13happened.
00:58:13And I would get pregnant again. I was young and I'd have other kids and I shouldn't worry about it.
00:58:19But I knew when I woke up the next morning and thought there's something wrong, where's my baby?
00:58:25And then before I went to Planned Parenthood, I knew the baby was a girl and I don't know how.
00:58:30But I knew that it was a girl.
00:58:34To say this was like really hard because you're trying to talk about people being abducted and they go, oh
00:58:39yeah, now they're, you know.
00:58:41And I said it one time on a talk show in the nineties and oh my God, you just opened
00:58:48up a can of worms and then you got to explain that.
00:58:52And I'm always asked, why are these alien beings doing this?
00:58:57Why are they abducting people?
00:58:59And from all the years of research that I've done, I feel very strongly that there is a crossbreeding program
00:59:08with alien beings and humans.
00:59:14I was on a table and I remember looking up and seeing two of them walking in with her, holding
00:59:21her hands.
00:59:23And when she came into the room, she looked at me and then she looked away and she was afraid
00:59:31of me.
00:59:33And I immediately felt sad.
00:59:36When I looked at this baby, I'm like, this is my baby.
00:59:39This is my daughter.
00:59:42And then when she looked at me and she looked like she was scared of me, it hurt my feelings.
00:59:47And then I thought, well, it's like she never seen anybody who looked like me before.
00:59:52And I might have looked scary to her, I guess.
00:59:55Do you have any idea why they presented her to you?
00:59:59No, I do not.
01:00:01Did you get to touch her or hold her at all?
01:00:03No.
01:00:06No.
01:00:10The question might be, why?
01:00:11Why would they be doing this?
01:00:13If I was the alien coming back through time, why would I be taking this genetic material?
01:00:18And in looking at past and current trends, 500 years ago, we had very isolated, separate groups,
01:00:25interbreeding populations that beginning primarily with European colonialism, started to amalgamate.
01:00:31We started to get homogenization of our genetic material.
01:00:34If that trend continued into the future, we might expect problems similar to those we have today with highly inbred
01:00:42groups.
01:00:46To get around those problems, one of the only places you could find new gene variants would be to sample
01:00:51haplogroups
01:00:53that never made it into the future.
01:00:55Those would offer you the ability to find new genes to put into an overly homogenized population to alleviate some
01:01:03of these problems.
01:01:04We do this today.
01:01:05It's a very important strategy used in conservation measures.
01:01:08We have a small, isolated group where gene drift takes over and causes problems.
01:01:13We look for the most different genotypes available to hybridize with these groups in order to overcome these problems.
01:01:23I think we're very far from consensus.
01:01:25It ranges from people who just think that there's so little data it's not even worth talking about
01:01:30to people who, some scientist colleagues of mine, who have materials that are supposedly from ships that seem hard to
01:01:37explain.
01:01:38In my laboratory, we ban the word impossible.
01:01:44Even, you know, some physics limits get questioned from time to time.
01:01:51So, I think it's possible.
01:01:53We don't have enough evidence to doubt it.
01:01:57And so, that's another reason why, you know, 68% certain doesn't have an open mind to both the existence
01:02:05of aliens and the government cover-up.
01:02:10So, Deb, I have to ask you, and I'm sure you've gotten this before, but as compelling as your story
01:02:17is,
01:02:18and I'm sure as a former assistant attorney general, you can appreciate it,
01:02:23there's just no evidence that this ever took place in the physical world.
01:02:28So, how do you answer to that?
01:02:36I'm not sure where they come from or how they get here,
01:02:42but I've had experiences that have actually left physical marks in the yard.
01:02:49So, that's a physical level to it.
01:02:53And also, I've developed this sort of like sixth sense as I've gotten older
01:02:59and this ability to kind of feel people in their thoughts and stuff.
01:03:04Sometimes, just as I walk by them, and I don't even do it on purpose,
01:03:08and I often wonder if that's a side effect of this communication that was between me and these entities or
01:03:16these things.
01:03:17In 2012, I woke up in the morning and threw my legs over the bed and stood up, and I
01:03:23fell.
01:03:24I couldn't support weight on my right leg.
01:03:26They took me into the x-ray room, and they did a couple x-rays,
01:03:30and the woman seemed kind of perplexed, and she asked me, she said,
01:03:34have you had a shrapnel wound or something to account for a piece of metal in your leg?
01:03:39And I explained, no, I'd never had any injury to that leg whatsoever.
01:03:43And then she said, I'm going to ask a radiologist to come down and take a look.
01:03:47He put this film up.
01:03:49He said, you have here what appears to be bones arranged in a floret pattern in the calf muscle of
01:03:55your leg.
01:03:56And I asked, is that unusual, doctor?
01:03:59And he says, well, bone does not typically sprout in the middle of muscle tissue.
01:04:03And he was talking to the technician, and for her benefit, I think,
01:04:07he walked over to me and poked me in the leg and said to her, it'll be right here.
01:04:13And I interrupted and I said, what will be right there?
01:04:16And he told me, he says, well, you have to have a scar there.
01:04:18He says, anytime you break the integrity of the skin, to have an object like this buried into the fascia
01:04:25and the tissue that deep, that's going to leave a scar.
01:04:29And he asked his intern to run up and get a handheld black light, which she brought back.
01:04:35And he says, scar tissue will fluoresce under a black light.
01:04:38We'll find it.
01:04:39He turned off the lights and he examined my knee again.
01:04:43And he was obviously confused, frustrated, confounded.
01:04:47And I asked him, I said, doctor, how often is it that you find a foreign object buried under the
01:04:52skin at this depth,
01:04:53at this size, without there being a corresponding scar?
01:04:57And he thought for a second and said, never.
01:05:00He said, I've been a radiologist for 23 years.
01:05:03I've never seen this before.
01:05:08November 16th, 2017, I woke up in the morning with a lot of pain in my upper legs.
01:05:14Somehow I knew.
01:05:15I told my wife, I said, they came last night and they took this thing out of my leg.
01:05:19And she says, well, you've got to get an x-ray.
01:05:21So I made my way to a chiropractic office.
01:05:23And I said, well, doctor, real quick, I need an x-ray of my right leg because I had an
01:05:28alien implant from 1977
01:05:30and I think aliens came last night and took it out.
01:05:32And he's got me by the arm and he's leading me to the front door.
01:05:36And I know chiropractors look at maybe a hundred x-rays a week.
01:05:40And I'm holding my x-rays up in front of his face.
01:05:43And he stops dead in his tracks.
01:05:46And he says, come with me.
01:05:51We went into his office and he shut his door.
01:05:53And he looked at the x-rays and he said, you know, I've never seen anything like this before.
01:05:59I'm going to write you a script for an x-ray.
01:06:01He told me where to go.
01:06:03He said, I'll pay for it.
01:06:05And then you bring the x-ray back to me to look at.
01:06:07I got the x-ray and I took it home to show my wife first.
01:06:11And we stuck it up on the window and we looked.
01:06:14And I'm no radiologist, but it was plain to see that thing was indeed gone.
01:06:19And I took the films and I dropped them off in his office.
01:06:22He called me at dinner that evening and he says, well, did you see your x-ray?
01:06:28And I said, yeah.
01:06:29And he says, well, did you see that they didn't take everything out?
01:06:34And I said, no, I don't know what you're talking about.
01:06:36And he told me where to look right parallel with my femur.
01:06:41There are two filaments of wire.
01:06:45And I said, doctor, how is it that these beings that are so advanced that they can remove this from
01:06:51my leg without a surgical incision in the middle of the night without me knowing?
01:06:55How can they be so inept as to leave two wires in my leg?
01:06:59He said, I don't think they're inept at all.
01:07:02He said, I think they gave you an upgrade.
01:07:04I think they took out the 1977 model and gave you the 2017 model.
01:07:33I think they took out the first step of the time.
01:07:34Begin now going back very gently.
01:07:38Going back to a time when you were a little girl of about eight or nine years old.
01:07:53You allow all the information to come forward very easily and effortlessly.
01:08:02You are living with your parents on the farm in Elgin, Illinois.
01:08:18So I'm in, like, the kitchen.
01:08:23I pass by the front door and I go up the stairs.
01:08:28I have a bunk bed and my, the walls in my room are light green.
01:08:40And I have, like, a horse border at the top of my room.
01:08:45Mmhmm.
01:08:45It's dark.
01:08:48Mmhmm.
01:08:50Really dark.
01:08:52I feel like I, I feel like some shadowy dark thing is, like, coming in from Skylar's room
01:09:00into, like, the bathroom.
01:09:03Just describe what those shadow figures look like.
01:09:08Like, drapery almost or something?
01:09:12Just on them?
01:09:13Try to focus in.
01:09:16Describe in detail what it looks like.
01:09:21It looks very loose fitting.
01:09:24It's like a hood.
01:09:25How many shadowy figures are there, do you see?
01:09:30I think it's two.
01:09:31One is, one is taller than the other one.
01:09:35Mmhmm.
01:09:36I don't think the other one has drapery.
01:09:38It almost, I, I feel like it's Skylar's the other one.
01:09:42Mmhmm.
01:09:42Because it's smaller.
01:09:45When Kaylee mentioned that her sister Skylar was standing next to the hooded figure, I knew
01:09:52that we were making a significant connection with the two sisters' experience.
01:09:59I'm scared.
01:10:01Now get in touch with that feeling and emotion.
01:10:04I'm walking towards Skylar.
01:10:07Mmhmm.
01:10:09It feels like she has her hand out.
01:10:11And do you take her hand?
01:10:13Mmhmm.
01:10:13We're walking through the bathroom to her bedroom.
01:10:18And now it's like a really, really bright light.
01:10:21By her window, right next to her closet.
01:10:27I keep like glancing over at my closet I had when I was a kid.
01:10:31It was always scary to me.
01:10:33Could you look at that bright light?
01:10:35Do you see the source of the light?
01:10:39It's almost like a hole in the room.
01:10:41It's so bright and intense.
01:10:43It's just, I think it might be in between her closet and the window.
01:10:47Okay.
01:10:48When I remembered seeing them come into my room, they seemed flesh and blood like three-dimensional
01:10:53in the room with me.
01:10:55There are times when I've gotten the feeling that I'm seeing something extra-dimensional.
01:11:02Not particularly, you know, extraterrestrial.
01:11:06Like not, didn't get in a spaceship and fly here from somewhere else.
01:11:10But maybe arrived here some other way.
01:11:13I feel like we're in the light now.
01:11:17Feels like we're moving quickly up.
01:11:19Like rushed up.
01:11:20Take a look above you as you're going up.
01:11:24Can you describe what's there?
01:11:28Anything you sense or see?
01:11:32Like a, it's like a rounded shape door.
01:11:36But it's like coming down almost like an airplane door for like cargo.
01:11:44I feel like there's other people or things there.
01:11:47Like by the doors and just around the perimeter.
01:11:51Can you describe them?
01:11:54They have really like thin bodies.
01:11:59Taller than me.
01:12:01Now they're in between me and Skylar and they're holding our arms.
01:12:07And are you and Skylar walking with him?
01:12:11It feels more like they're forcing, like dragging us, but like we're still walking.
01:12:15It's just we're resisting.
01:12:20And now we're sitting, like next to the wall.
01:12:24Like my knees are up and my chest and I'm holding my legs.
01:12:29It feels curved, like it's more rounded.
01:12:32Feels like I'm like inside of like a round teapot.
01:12:36Almost feels like I'm like, like I'm in a bowl.
01:12:42My head hurts.
01:12:44Okay, now get in touch with where it hurts.
01:12:49It's like the left back, back side of my head.
01:12:53Like it feels like, I don't know, it feels, it hurts though.
01:12:57Does it feel that something is touching your head?
01:13:01Do you feel pressure?
01:13:02Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
01:13:04It, it, it feels like pushing in.
01:13:07Ah, it hurts.
01:13:09That's on the left side of your head?
01:13:11Yeah, it feels like it's moving up, like towards my ear.
01:13:16It feels like a needle or something.
01:13:18It hurts.
01:13:19Ah, it really hurts.
01:13:20Okay.
01:13:21Describe where that needle is being inserted.
01:13:25The bottom of my head, like up.
01:13:28But I feel it really bad, intense, like right on the left side in the middle of my head.
01:13:36When I hear the abductee or experiencer describe that their head is hurting, after hundreds and hundreds of cases that
01:13:48are also similar, it doesn't surprise me.
01:13:52And it did not surprise me when I heard Kaylee describe that.
01:13:56It feels like my head is getting pushed down now, like it's on the ground.
01:14:02The hand is on my left side and the needle is like a surgical needle.
01:14:08And it's like pushing, it's like trying to shove a square with rough edges.
01:14:14It doesn't move fluidly.
01:14:16I suspect that the beings were placing an implant in somewhere in Kaylee's head.
01:14:28When she described the pain moved to the back of the head, that's one of the common areas that a
01:14:36person would be implanted.
01:14:38All I'm going by are my cases and the similarities, and I can only talk about where my research takes
01:14:45me.
01:14:46Okay.
01:14:48How many people do you sense around you?
01:14:53I think there's four.
01:14:58Do they feel familiar to you?
01:15:02Not familiar like I know what they are, but familiar like I've seen it before.
01:15:08Do you remember the first time that you saw them or they came in contact with you?
01:15:15Mm-hmm.
01:15:16The last time my head hurt.
01:15:19They're getting closer to me now, like looking at me.
01:15:22Okay.
01:15:23And as they're looking at you, can you describe what they look like?
01:15:27Mm-hmm.
01:15:28Just dark eyes.
01:15:31Do you get a sense of why they're doing this?
01:15:35Mm-mm.
01:15:35It feels like they're drilling a hole into my head to like cut it.
01:15:41Do you sense any communication from them while they're doing this?
01:15:45Kinda now, yeah.
01:15:47It sounds like clicking.
01:15:49They're like clicking at each other.
01:15:52Okay.
01:15:54God, my head hurts so bad.
01:15:57Okay, take a deep breath.
01:16:03Okay, Kaylee, are you ready to leave this time for now?
01:16:07Mm-hmm.
01:16:08You'll awaken feeling fully refreshed, mentally alert, very calm, with a good sense of well-being, and feeling very happy.
01:16:34Hi.
01:16:36Hi.
01:16:37Welcome back.
01:16:41Okay.
01:16:42Skylar's reaction was very intense.
01:16:47I did not expect that.
01:16:50I don't know if maybe she was super emotional about it because she's been holding her experience back from me.
01:16:57She wasn't able to tell me since she had her session first.
01:17:00So I think maybe it was a little bit of built up emotion.
01:17:03The night of the dream, I'm sitting in my bed, and remember our bathroom house connected to our rooms.
01:17:10You are there holding the hand of someone.
01:17:14Stop.
01:17:15I'm gonna start crying.
01:17:16Stop.
01:17:16Is this what happened to you?
01:17:17No.
01:17:17Oh.
01:17:18I didn't have this dream regression.
01:17:20I went to the other dream.
01:17:21Okay.
01:17:21But keep going.
01:17:22That's so weird.
01:17:23So you're holding the hand of somebody.
01:17:25They looked, like, very slender, like, they almost had, like, amphibian skin, it looked like, or felt like.
01:17:33It definitely felt like rubbery, like, textured skin.
01:17:37The eyes were just, I remember them being very big and, like, proportionately much larger.
01:17:44There was something about, like, when they looked at you, like, I almost felt, like, stunned or, like, like, uh,
01:17:51enchanted.
01:17:52Like, not even that way, but, like, just, like, mesmerized.
01:17:54Like, I couldn't really focus, like, the way I would with, like, a normal interaction with people.
01:18:01So I go with you, and I take your hand, and we go into your room.
01:18:08That room.
01:18:09I know, I literally thought of that closet.
01:18:12That fucking room.
01:18:13Shut up!
01:18:14No!
01:18:15Are you serious?
01:18:16I thought of your closet.
01:18:17That's why, that's my dream regression.
01:18:19It was about that closet.
01:18:20So...
01:18:21I'm crying.
01:18:23I'm sorry.
01:18:24This is very, very scary for me.
01:18:25Very, very emotional.
01:18:26My room has always been a really, really weird place.
01:18:29I've never felt comfortable in it, and I never liked my closet.
01:18:33I never just felt like a room.
01:18:35It felt just like a square.
01:18:36I don't know if darker is the word, but it was different than hers, but still kind of ominous.
01:18:44And I think just that experience, and us already having a weird sense of her room, especially her closet, obviously
01:18:52was a big trigger for her.
01:18:54It got to this point where I got extreme, intense pain in my head.
01:19:00Like, worse than a migraine headache, but like in a specific spot in my head.
01:19:06And it felt like a needle was going through the back of my head, into my head.
01:19:12And it, like, stayed with me throughout, like, this whole process.
01:19:15Like, I came out of this, and I still had head pain.
01:19:18I'm just bothered about the pain inflicted.
01:19:21I was always warned that there's a possibility that this could cause, like, some sort of, you know, trauma that
01:19:26could happen, or it could cause a trigger.
01:19:27And for me, I feel triggered by what she said.
01:19:30My whole entire experience was an out-of-body when I watched my...
01:19:32It was like I was watching myself, and I was, like, checking on myself.
01:19:36But then I looked at my closet, and there was this tall amoeba shape.
01:19:43Tall. It wasn't, like, nothing was even about it. It looked like an amoeba.
01:19:46It was tall, and it was just there.
01:19:48I found it interesting that we both saw figures, but they were both different types of forms.
01:19:59I also thought one of the most interesting things of her hypnosis session was that she saw...
01:20:06the dark glass, like, the two-way mirror glass kind of thing.
01:20:09She felt like people could see in, but they... she couldn't see out.
01:20:13And that's kind of exactly how I felt about the eyes I saw.
01:20:17So I found that very interesting, and I wonder if maybe that's somehow connected.
01:20:21Weird that you had the same experience with my room.
01:20:24I can't believe that you were in pain. I'm sorry.
01:20:27I'm glad that we're okay, and I love you.
01:20:29You too.
01:20:35It's crazy. I'm so happy you came out.
01:20:42I have no idea how the abductees are chosen.
01:20:45They seem to cut across every socioeconomic level.
01:20:49They seem to be unusually mentally sound.
01:20:52In other words, they seem to pick people who are particularly strong, stable, open-minded.
01:20:59There's something profoundly important going on here that is authentic and real.
01:21:08I think that we might use this reflection on aliens as an opportunity to think about our future,
01:21:14or using what we know about how quickly we're going to project on how quickly other species might go.
01:21:20So we're prepared for ourselves in the future so that we could become one of those creatures,
01:21:26and we might visit ourselves in some way.
01:21:30We go off the planet and come back, or we just become that staying in place,
01:21:37and that we need to think about the possible alternative ways of being human.
01:21:41But if they are out there, it would change maybe my priorities and world view.
01:21:47So the sooner the better.
01:21:48If they don't exist, it will not necessarily be intensely disappointing,
01:21:52but I think we would then have a huge, even bigger obligation to spread ourselves through the galaxy
01:21:59if we're the only intelligent life form in the universe.
01:22:03It seems like it's a pretty cool thing.
01:22:06You wouldn't want it to be extinguished.
01:22:24I was walking into something not realizing I was actually walking a plank.
01:22:30Let me put it that way.
01:22:31The book was published and I fell off the plank and ended up underwater, basically.
01:22:37That's what happened to me publicly.
01:22:42People who do what I do as a comedian have had a huge impact to make the subject seem ridiculous,
01:22:50and I regret it because I think I was insensitive to people I knew.
01:22:53I think it's great that experiencers can come out and talk about their experiences, their abductions, their encounters with aliens.
01:23:03I think they should be accepted and not ridiculed.
01:23:05I mean, people were really cured because we're human.
01:23:08I find them compelling and I find them believable.
01:23:19One of the motivations for me in reporting on this is the passion I feel about the individual people who
01:23:27are involved with this who aren't taken seriously.
01:23:30Experiencers report getting messages telepathically about taking care of our planet better.
01:23:35If there's any kind of a purpose in their being here that might affect our planet.
01:23:40And this could be part of the power that the whole question of UFOs carries for people.
01:23:45So many abductees tell me, I don't want them to leave.
01:23:48I don't want this to stop because I want to know why they've been doing this.
01:23:53I want to know why they chose me and my family.
01:23:56And I'm hoping myself that they don't just stop because I want answers too.
01:24:00But in my experience and doing my work, I doubt if they're just going to stop.
01:24:07You can't stop.
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