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00:00:14Welcome. Tonight on Cuarto Milenio we will try to decipher the clues and enigmas.
00:00:18from one of the most closely guarded secrets of the Catholic Church. We are referring to the
00:00:23The Garabandal apparitions. Afterwards we will go to Belchit, a veritable mass grave, a
00:00:28Dead village. There, some researchers try to record the voices of the war.
00:00:33And finally, we propose a journey towards an unknown road where it is possible
00:00:37The impossible. Kilometer marker 159. We are Cuarto Milenio and the mystery ship
00:00:44It's already taking off.
00:00:46Its walls of noise where the hatred, blood and horror of a war were concentrated
00:00:51Civil history sites attract history buffs and researchers interested in the subject today.
00:00:56parapsychology. But what are these latter people looking for in old Belchite? Perhaps the voices of
00:01:02War. It could happen tonight or any other night. On the shoulder of a road.
00:01:08Something appears. Something that shouldn't be there. Hundreds of people have witnessed these phenomena.
00:01:14But only a few dare to break their silence.
00:01:16Kilometer 159. In the remote Cantabrian village of Garabandal, in the late 1960s,
00:01:24A series of physical phenomena occurred that have not yet been satisfactorily explained.
00:01:29A true X-File of the Catholic Church: The Garabandal apparitions.
00:01:38San Sebastián de Garabandal is a village that until very recently had no electricity,
00:01:45Water, with basic conditions for modern life. Something happened there in the 1960s
00:01:50Amazing. I confess that I have been to those mountains, to those pine trees, many times.
00:01:55In those alleyways, where the strange apparently occurred. The impossible took shape. And I must
00:02:00I must also confess that it feels like four decades have passed, but that
00:02:05The village keeps its secret very well. It's as if no one wants to talk about it definitively.
00:02:10What really happened. As if the voices were silenced by something. As if deep down
00:02:15No one has all the evidence to say this is what happened. What we do know is
00:02:19that four girls, like any other, in that social context of about 10 years, among
00:02:2410 and 12 years old, Maricruz, Mariloli, Maricarmen and Conchita, suffered a series
00:02:29of absolutely mind-blowing ecstasies. Ecstasies that were recorded for the first time in Spain.
00:02:34by node cameras, cameras, photographs and were examined by scientists, doctors,
00:02:41Priests. A case that suddenly took a dark turn. I would like to tell you the conclusion of one
00:02:46Of the many books published about Garabandal, this one was banned for several years.
00:02:51It was written by Julio Cardeñoso, canon of Tarragona Cathedral. The mystery of Garabandal
00:02:55In Catholic theology, it was a lecture that was banned in Santander by the very...
00:02:59bishopric because they didn't want to talk about this, they didn't want to know, or they didn't want to know certain things
00:03:04things and concluded in this way. In Garabandal, San Sebastián de Garabandal, there have been visions,
00:03:10revelations, apparitions, locutions, ecstasy, levitations of vertical human bodies
00:03:16and horizontal movements, photogenesis, telekinesis, moving objects, psychokinesis... In short,
00:03:22A whole series of phenomena that have no explanation. Supernatural or paranormal phenomena.
00:03:27However, 40 years later, the Church has not yet given its seal of authenticity
00:03:32to these apparitions. To discuss this fascinating subject, which blends the paranormal world
00:03:37And the religious world, always so close, on a very fine line, we have a dear companion
00:03:41in informational work, specifically regarding reason, and also a priest, Father
00:03:45Don Manuel Robles. Father, welcome.
00:03:47Good night.
00:03:48Why hasn't the Church confirmed what's happening in Garabandal? There are such phenomena
00:03:53Stranger than those of Fatima, than those of Lourdes, but all is silence. Why?
00:03:58We must not forget that at this time, for example, there are about 500 apparitions of the Virgin Mary.
00:04:05So, for the Church, it's not so simple to give the green light to a phenomenon.
00:04:11supernatural, to an apparition of the Virgin, of the angels, of our Lord Jesus Christ.
00:04:16Furthermore, throughout history, all these supernatural or paranormal phenomena
00:04:22They are continuous. The Church, in all these situations, uses prudence, and within the bounds of prudence
00:04:29that discernment of spirits, because it would be terrible if a [something] were approved without further ado.
00:04:35which is false. In a situation like this, the phenomenon of the apparitions of
00:04:42The Virgin, what is usually done is a process that, through the bishop of the diocese, with
00:04:48a number of people, from theologians, canon lawyers, people who know a little about this world and then
00:04:54Life professionals, doctors, psychologists, etc., analyze, examine; the first thing is
00:05:04The situation where this apparition occurs, and then to the girls. And after a certain
00:05:09In time, the Church will speak out. If it hasn't spoken out in Garabandal, it's because since
00:05:14At first, it didn't seem like a certain apparition. The bishop, who in 1961, when
00:05:21appeared, that is, when these appearances occurred, it was Don Doroteo Fernández and he did not consider
00:05:27that they were authentic apparitions. Then, in 1965, one of the girls, Conchita
00:05:32Specifically, she was, we might say, the ringleader of the others, of the four, she was
00:05:38She was perhaps the most important, as she was taken to Rome, and some people even say that
00:05:45She saw her, she visited Paul VI, but what is certain is that the cardinal examined her.
00:05:50Octaviani. And after examining her and after speaking with her, well, this has remained her
00:05:56Judge it and the Church has not yet pronounced it as an authentic apparition of the Virgin.
00:06:02Mystery surrounds Garabandal. No one really knows what happened. What they do know
00:06:07The cameras and what the documents show is that those girls entered into ecstasy when
00:06:10At the same time, they were rolling their eyes for hours, making a big
00:06:15They walked along a path of sharp stones, their knees bleeding.
00:06:19with their backs turned, speaking in strange languages, that even some doctors, the reports
00:06:23Let's see them; they even managed to poke the girls' eyeballs or illuminate them with powerful lights.
00:06:27spotlights were used to verify that the ecstasy, the gyrism, the anesthesia was total. 40 years later, already
00:06:33As I've said before, the secret continues to linger in the small village of San Sebastián
00:06:39from Garabandal. Interestingly, in recent years, it's the Americans who are buying
00:06:43Many houses, many properties at exorbitant prices there, as if they thought something was going to happen
00:06:48to happen, as if they suspected it. Juan Vallejo, our reporter, has gone to that place to
00:06:54to try to bring the testimony of a people marked by the apparitions.
00:07:01Throughout history, the Church has investigated some mysterious events that have become part of its history.
00:07:06Part of their most secret archives. Stigmatized, apparitions, ecstasies, levitations, possessions.
00:07:15On the tenuous border that separates the miraculous from the psychiatric, on the precise threshold that exists
00:07:20Between the paranormal and fanaticism, there have been a handful of incidents that once required
00:07:25of an official investigation into the strange physical evidence they presented. And it doesn't
00:07:31You don't have to go very far to find one of the most spectacular cases.
00:07:40The day the apparitions began, there were four more girls from the town, a town
00:07:48of approximately 300 inhabitants. They were 12 and 11 years old, three of them 12, only Maricruz
00:07:55González was 11 years old and, well, on a game day, like any other, they had
00:08:01an incredible encounter, an incredible encounter that led them, no more and no less, to
00:08:04in front of the Archangel Saint Michael, according to his interpretation. All of this happened on the 18th.
00:08:10June 1961 and was the prelude to a very long story that lasted until 1965.
00:08:16Until not too long ago, San Sebastián de Garabandal was the most isolated village in the region.
00:08:21The fog and rain make it nearly impossible to see the road. The mist still hangs over the events.
00:08:28which we are going to investigate. For some, it was a prank that went too far. For
00:08:34Others, however, consider what happened on this mountain to be the greatest miracle that has ever occurred.
00:08:40in our country.
00:08:45A miracle embodied in four girls who turned into inert statues of flesh,
00:08:51who rolled their eyes, who walked backwards and at the same time, as if propelled
00:08:56by a superior force.
00:08:59And so I was like this, and I wanted to go and touch her, but I couldn't go and touch her, I couldn't
00:09:05dared.
00:09:05I didn't dare touch her from here to there, but now I'm going sideways, I'm going sideways,
00:09:11Her hands were like that, twelve years old, and I couldn't move a finger, no matter what, I couldn't move her
00:09:19a finger.
00:09:20Therefore, what I can speak and say, I have seen, I have lived, I have touched,
00:09:30And I can say that the ecstasies were real. I can say nothing more.
00:09:35Conchita González, Mariloli Manzón, Jacinta González and Maricruz Madrazo were normal girls
00:09:42from rural Spain in the 1960s. After its first appearance, in which they saw a strange figure
00:09:48resplendent on a path that ascends towards the mountain, they began to enter suddenly
00:09:53in strange trances, in which they acquired psychic and physical faculties that were difficult to explain.
00:10:00In these ecstasies, which sometimes lasted for hours, they had visions of the Virgin.
00:10:05and of the Archangel Saint Michael. Even, according to his own words, they could converse with them.
00:10:13Those episodes of total anesthesia brought together thousands of faithful and curious onlookers in his hometown.
00:10:19People eager to encounter the miracle face to face.
00:10:24Those who approached them observed that their bodies seemed heavier; they were difficult to move.
00:10:30despite the fact that they moved with amazing agility.
00:10:33They were capable of racing through some absolutely difficult, rugged terrain.
00:10:42to fall to one's knees on angular stones and not get hurt.
00:10:49They were able to recognize other people's belongings and return them to their owners.
00:10:55In other words, they were in a different state of consciousness than all those around them,
00:11:01which could sometimes be thousands of people.
00:11:04But these were not the only strange events that occurred surrounding the girls' ecstasies.
00:11:10As in other apparitions, a great phenomenon occurred here too.
00:11:14which convinced many of what was happening.
00:11:17According to dozens of impressed witnesses,
00:11:20On July 18, 1962, at the mouth of Conchita Martínez,
00:11:26A sacred form appeared out of nowhere, which, according to the girl,
00:11:30It had been placed on her tongue by the Virgin herself.
00:11:33But what really happened?
00:11:35Was it a clumsy magic trick or a genuine miracle?
00:11:39After the experience, coming to his senses,
00:11:43The girl claimed that a terrible prophecy had been passed on to her.
00:11:47Only those who were willing to listen would be saved.
00:11:56Shocking images, I would say unforgettable.
00:11:59It doesn't matter how much time has passed, it doesn't matter how peculiar the camera's format is.
00:12:05I believe they remain etched in the deepest recesses of the retina and the soul.
00:12:08that remain there for years and are seen only once.
00:12:12What was wrong with these girls, Don Manuel Robles?
00:12:15What was wrong with them? Why were they doing this?
00:12:17It's difficult to know, and I would truly like to know.
00:12:22and also tell the viewers about it.
00:12:25To find out what happened to these girls,
00:12:27In other words, to know the diagnosis,
00:12:30It is necessary to have specialists in these cases.
00:12:33Well, undoubtedly there are priests who dedicate themselves to this kind of thing
00:12:36and who know much more than I do.
00:12:38There are also psychologists, and there are also psychiatrists.
00:12:40that can explain a little about these phenomena that are paranormal.
00:12:45The most important thing, and this is what the Church focuses on
00:12:49And what also needs to be made clear,
00:12:52Well, the point here is to know
00:12:54if there really was an apparition of the Virgin Mary,
00:12:57if there has been a message that brings something new
00:12:59for the Church or for humanity
00:13:01And if there is any miraculous event that corroborates that message.
00:13:05That's the most important thing.
00:13:07There are so many and varied paranormal phenomena.
00:13:11and sometimes so difficult to diagnose
00:13:14I can tell you the details of what happened to him,
00:13:17that Saint John of the Cross recounts in his life
00:13:21And that's when Saint Teresa sent him
00:13:25who was confessor to the Augustinian nuns of Ávila
00:13:27in the year 1500 and something, in the 16th century,
00:13:31He met a nun who had a perfect command of the scriptures,
00:13:35who knew several languages, including Hebrew,
00:13:38and that she was a woman who, so to speak, had very little education.
00:13:42And everyone in that convent believed that the Virgin Mary appeared to them.
00:13:46and she herself stated it.
00:13:48And this saint was able to verify that there was no such apparition of the Virgin.
00:13:53but it was due to certain paranormal phenomena
00:13:56And at that time, in accordance with the advancement of science,
00:14:00They thought it was a case of demonic possession.
00:14:03Phenomena that exist, that are there,
00:14:05that are not discussed, that happen from time to time
00:14:06And it doesn't matter if one is a mystic, an ordinary person,
00:14:10rolled-back eyes, ecstasy, levitation, Herculean strength, sudden,
00:14:16xenoglossia, speaking strange languages unknown to that person.
00:14:19Don Manuel, in accordance with the feeling that these phenomena
00:14:22They are very similar to those we have found in people
00:14:24that, turning the lathe completely,
00:14:27They believe they are possessed by the devil.
00:14:29Honestly, what happens to the girls of Gravandal,
00:14:31even though they interpret it in one way,
00:14:32The physical phenomena are practically the same.
00:14:36It's possible, if this is something that can happen,
00:14:40In other words, that we go, in principle,
00:14:42believing it to be an apparition of the Virgin Mary,
00:14:44Because that's what they tell us,
00:14:45And then, perhaps, through research and analysis,
00:14:48making a diagnosis, well, it shouldn't be like that,
00:14:50and we might encounter a phenomenon,
00:14:53We could say it's demonic possession, that's possible.
00:14:56That's why, as I mentioned before,
00:14:58The Church, in this sense, is cautious, is prudent,
00:15:01and he has to discern.
00:15:02And these things have been happening from the beginning,
00:15:05That is, if we read, for example,
00:15:07the acts of the apostles,
00:15:08We encounter situations, we're going to call,
00:15:12paranormal phenomena, such as the case of Simon Magus,
00:15:14And if we also read the Letter to the Corinthians,
00:15:17We see how there were communities of Christians
00:15:19that these types of phenomena happened to them,
00:15:22That is, to speak in foreign languages...
00:15:23From the most remote antiquity.
00:15:24From the most remote antiquity.
00:15:26That is why the Church, from the beginning,
00:15:29She is very prudent, she is very cautious,
00:15:31and make sure that this phenomenon of apparitions is real,
00:15:37because it would be terrible if the Church,
00:15:40in the face of a doubtful event or a false event,
00:15:44with the consequences this has for faith and for people,
00:15:47He approved it immediately.
00:15:48That's why time is needed, and it's necessary to go through this process of learning about things.
00:15:55and then this discernment that the Church has
00:15:59And that's more or less how things become clear.
00:16:02Well, time has passed, 40 years, no more and no less,
00:16:05And as we said before, there are still many questions to be answered.
00:16:08The Church, for many centuries,
00:16:10He investigates these phenomena and commissions specialists to go to the locations.
00:16:15One of those priests was Father Andreu.
00:16:18He was there witnessing the apparitions.
00:16:20What happened to him is overwhelming.
00:16:27The Jesuit Luis María Andreu arrived in Garabandal to investigate
00:16:31what was really happening with those four girls
00:16:34which had the whole town terrified.
00:16:37Young man with no health problems,
00:16:40He approached them in a state of ecstasy
00:16:42And then he fixed his gaze on a point where the girls were looking.
00:16:47And he saw something, something that plunged him into a deep silence.
00:16:53On the return trip, accompanied by a wealthy family from the region,
00:16:58He confessed what he had witnessed.
00:17:01And as he was walking along the road, Father Luis said
00:17:08It is the Virgin, it is true, how much our mother loves us.
00:17:14It has been the happiest day of my life.
00:17:17The Fontanedas family asks him, "What's wrong, Father?"
00:17:20Nothing, nothing, it's the Virgin, it's true, how much our mother loves us.
00:17:26And so he died.
00:17:28The girls of Garabandal, shrouded in the secrecy that gripped this affair,
00:17:33at the very moment when the Bishop of Santander
00:17:35prohibited any allusion to the phenomena,
00:17:37They emigrated to the United States.
00:17:40The Garabandal community was born there,
00:17:42which draws in many people convinced of what is happening
00:17:45in that remote mountain in Cantabria.
00:17:48Even today, thousands of faithful make the same journey
00:17:51that those girls traveled, those who foretold
00:17:55a strange prophecy of the end of the world.
00:18:00On this occasion we are acting as pilgrims
00:18:02and we verified firsthand how difficult this steep path is.
00:18:06And we remember that they saw them with their backs turned,
00:18:09or on their knees, without ever getting hurt.
00:18:13Very close to the site of the apparitions,
00:18:15A chapel has been erected today to commemorate the events.
00:18:18In it, we can see the gratitude of all those
00:18:21who claim to have witnessed some miracle.
00:18:25However, it is possible that these anonymous donors
00:18:28They don't know that the area has always been
00:18:30a place of worship, of magical rites
00:18:33and of strange phenomena.
00:18:36But for me there is no doubt whatsoever
00:18:38that it is a magical place.
00:18:41But not just now, from the most remote antiquity.
00:18:44We need to think, there are the slopes of Peña Sagra,
00:18:48As its name suggests, a sacred area,
00:18:51even for the ancient Cantabrians,
00:18:53possibly one of the last strongholds of the Cantabrians
00:18:55It was the Peña Sagra massif.
00:18:59And strange things have always happened there.
00:19:02There have been many researchers and curious onlookers
00:19:05that in the wake of the apparitions in Garabandal
00:19:07They have had various unusual experiences
00:19:10in the vicinity of this village.
00:19:12Sometimes, what they stumbled upon was something
00:19:15which apparently had nothing to do with the divine.
00:19:19And after a short while, luminous orbs began to appear.
00:19:25very large.
00:19:27They were on the slopes of Peña Sagra and they were moving
00:19:29in an erratic way, we might say.
00:19:34And with the same frenetic lights we could see that when they touched down
00:19:41They set the vegetation on fire.
00:19:43And it was September,
00:19:45the first dinner in September,
00:19:46that there in that area,
00:19:49the ferns and other vegetation of this low
00:19:51They are completely green,
00:19:53So that can never burn.
00:19:55Well, I left it all scorched.
00:19:57Nailed to the pine trees where they once secured
00:20:00that the Virgin appeared,
00:20:01Photos of nameless souls continue to wait for a miracle.
00:20:05Meanwhile, with all the patience in the world,
00:20:08Some claim that the four girls
00:20:11They will meet again in this same place
00:20:13a very precise day.
00:20:16The day of the final prophecy.
00:20:38Many things have been written about Galavandal
00:20:40in recent years.
00:20:41We bring here just one example.
00:20:43Publications completely in favor.
00:20:45Apparitions are not a myth.
00:20:46One of the first books on this phenomenon
00:20:48where four girls lived.
00:20:50Galavandal, the people speak.
00:20:52A story that more or less indicates
00:20:54that a secret is kept there.
00:20:56But a common secret
00:20:57which for many could turn things around
00:20:59to specific schisms,
00:21:01to very precise histories of Christianity.
00:21:04Even reporters, special correspondents,
00:21:06It's a very curious thing.
00:21:07There were people from Russia, from Germany, from Denmark.
00:21:10These are French.
00:21:11They spent two years with those girls,
00:21:13photographing step by step
00:21:15with precise shots
00:21:17which we are now seeing, impressive.
00:21:19Some of them, for example,
00:21:20They reached the limit of, well,
00:21:22to witness the phenomenon, the miracle.
00:21:24On an afternoon of apparition,
00:21:26Conchita, the spokesperson,
00:21:28the leading voice in this story,
00:21:29he even managed to reproduce it in his language
00:21:30what appeared to be a sacred form.
00:21:32For many people it was the ultimate test.
00:21:35However, these strange phenomena,
00:21:37so curious,
00:21:38these levitations,
00:21:39stasis, Samsonism,
00:21:40They may have a psychiatric explanation.
00:21:42We consulted an expert,
00:21:45from the prestigious psychiatrist,
00:21:46Don José Miguel Gaona,
00:21:47which sheds a little more light on the subject
00:21:49about these supernatural phenomena
00:21:51in the human body.
00:21:55There are many phenomena
00:21:57that have traditionally come
00:21:58or have been considered
00:22:00as supernatural,
00:22:02as religious people,
00:22:03but that psychiatry has
00:22:04Well, one answer,
00:22:06at least some of them.
00:22:08At one point,
00:22:09certain types of hysteria,
00:22:12For example,
00:22:13They are accompanied by seizures,
00:22:15They are associated with attitudes
00:22:16that could therefore be called abnormal,
00:22:20like head turns,
00:22:21similar to those shown
00:22:22in some movies
00:22:23directly related
00:22:24with themes of exorcism,
00:22:27apparently speaking in strange languages,
00:22:29on certain occasions even
00:22:31There are phenomena in which
00:22:32blood clotting
00:22:33it can practically become altered,
00:22:35blood circulation,
00:22:36so that there are areas of the body
00:22:39that bleed more or less profusely.
00:22:44There are many envoys from the Vatican,
00:22:47of the Church,
00:22:48in the Congregation for the Causes of Saints,
00:22:50that investigate
00:22:51as if they were authentic
00:22:53specialized journalists
00:22:54this type of phenomenon,
00:22:55statues that bleed,
00:22:57stigmatized,
00:22:57who suffer in their own flesh
00:22:58the alleged wounds from the crucifixion,
00:23:01many cases,
00:23:02many stories.
00:23:03To you, Manuel,
00:23:05of everything we've seen of Gravandal,
00:23:06of everything that was happening
00:23:07in the bodies of those girls,
00:23:08of everything that science
00:23:09he was able to check and stop checking,
00:23:10What is it that personally
00:23:12What surprises him most is,
00:23:12as a supernatural phenomenon,
00:23:14as a strange phenomenon?
00:23:16Man,
00:23:16I'm surprised.
00:23:17well,
00:23:19For example,
00:23:20when the girls
00:23:20were subjected
00:23:21to those terrible hotspots
00:23:24to see if,
00:23:26that is to say,
00:23:26if it changed
00:23:28his vision,
00:23:29when also
00:23:30They were pricking them.
00:23:31in the eye of the globule.
00:23:32And then,
00:23:33well,
00:23:33There are certain things,
00:23:35well,
00:23:35that a 10-year-old girl,
00:23:3712 years old,
00:23:37who is always sensitive,
00:23:38pleasant and such,
00:23:39normally the sensitivity
00:23:41of a girl
00:23:41in those years
00:23:42is,
00:23:42well,
00:23:42She's really pretty,
00:23:44very nice,
00:23:45well,
00:23:45clear,
00:23:45all this species,
00:23:47this entire journey
00:23:48what were they doing
00:23:48to leave his house
00:23:50to the church,
00:23:52on their knees,
00:23:53pricking their knees
00:23:54and so on,
00:23:54well,
00:23:54are phenomena
00:23:55a little shocking,
00:23:57because normally
00:23:57those years
00:23:58a girl,
00:23:58well,
00:23:59usually is,
00:23:59well,
00:24:00like very sweet,
00:24:01No?
00:24:01So,
00:24:02these things
00:24:03me,
00:24:03me,
00:24:05They call me a little
00:24:06attention,
00:24:06No?
00:24:06Therefore,
00:24:07until proven
00:24:08opposite,
00:24:09Garabandal,
00:24:10what many claim
00:24:11which is a phenomenon
00:24:12similar to Fatima or Lourdes,
00:24:14with that dimension
00:24:14on a supernatural level
00:24:16and religious,
00:24:16It remains in question,
00:24:18It remains,
00:24:18therefore,
00:24:19somewhat apocryphal.
00:24:21Don Manuel Robles,
00:24:21thanks a lot
00:24:22for their first visit
00:24:23to Cuarto Milenio,
00:24:24Let it not be the last one,
00:24:25because there are many files
00:24:26X of the church
00:24:27to play,
00:24:27to discuss.
00:24:28Well,
00:24:29well,
00:24:29on another occasion,
00:24:31When you tell me,
00:24:32We'll see each other
00:24:33and we'll chat
00:24:33And if we succeed
00:24:35shed some light
00:24:36for the viewers,
00:24:37well,
00:24:37great.
00:24:38It has been a real pleasure,
00:24:39Don Manuel.
00:24:39Thank you so much.
00:24:40A pleasure.
00:24:40The cinema
00:24:41has been in charge many times
00:24:42to carry out this type of phenomena.
00:24:44Some Marian apparitions,
00:24:45Let's call them that,
00:24:46even generated
00:24:47social phenomena
00:24:48that they dragged there
00:24:50to filmmakers
00:24:50of the most famous,
00:24:51in Spain and outside of Spain.
00:24:53Many times,
00:24:54as usual,
00:24:55almost always,
00:24:55reality
00:24:56was far above
00:24:57in its phenomena
00:24:58and in its mystery
00:24:59of what was being exposed,
00:25:01it was reflected
00:25:02on celluloid.
00:25:03However,
00:25:03the cluster of good films
00:25:05They are worth remembering.
00:25:11The story of Garabandal
00:25:13was hidden,
00:25:14censored,
00:25:15hidden,
00:25:16There is no doubt whatsoever
00:25:17if we observe
00:25:18the necessary documents.
00:25:19That same word,
00:25:20the one from that town,
00:25:21became
00:25:22in something almost cursed.
00:25:23It was banned
00:25:23even giving lectures
00:25:24with that name.
00:25:25It's amazing.
00:25:26Why Marian apparitions?
00:25:28Are they in perfect health?
00:25:29There is a pilgrimage,
00:25:30access is permitted,
00:25:31the prayer,
00:25:32the prayer
00:25:32and others
00:25:33They're like something
00:25:34absolutely heretical.
00:25:36We would have to ask him.
00:25:37giving way
00:25:39clockwise
00:25:40and leaving much sooner
00:25:41to another file
00:25:42in which,
00:25:43although it occurred
00:25:43in the middle of the 20th century,
00:25:45This is amazing,
00:25:46Books were even burned,
00:25:47books by priests,
00:25:49because it comes with an investigation
00:25:50such an amazing fact
00:25:51more than that of the girls
00:25:52of Garabandal.
00:25:53We're talking
00:25:53of the file
00:25:54Zquioga,
00:25:55Carmen Porter.
00:25:55Good night.
00:25:56Good evening, Iker.
00:25:57Well yes,
00:25:57As you rightly said,
00:25:58we have to go back
00:25:59until 1931
00:26:01and they went to a small town
00:26:03from Guipúzcoa,
00:26:04to Zquioga.
00:26:05There were some children
00:26:06of a young age,
00:26:07two brothers,
00:26:07Antonia and Andrés Bereciartu,
00:26:09They were going one morning
00:26:10towards his home
00:26:12when they saw something
00:26:13on top of the trees.
00:26:15He was a figure
00:26:15dressed in black,
00:26:16She looked like a woman,
00:26:18She wore a crown
00:26:18of what they describe
00:26:20like stars
00:26:21And the strangest thing
00:26:22of everything, Iker,
00:26:23is that a sword
00:26:24bloody
00:26:25He carried it in his right hand.
00:26:26A vision
00:26:27nothing unusual,
00:26:28which doesn't have much to do with it
00:26:30with the sweet image
00:26:31that corresponds
00:26:32to the Virgin.
00:26:33What was that?
00:26:34There it was believed
00:26:35In that,
00:26:36an apparition
00:26:36absolutely divine.
00:26:37The strange thing started
00:26:38when those children,
00:26:39which numbered up to 200,
00:26:40They began to receive prophecies,
00:26:42messages that were also apocalyptic.
00:26:44Indeed,
00:26:45On this occasion,
00:26:46He is an adult,
00:26:46Francisco Goico,
00:26:47Echea,
00:26:47the one who receives
00:26:48one of those terrible prophecies.
00:26:50He says that in five years
00:26:51it will happen
00:26:52in Spain
00:26:53a terrible struggle
00:26:54that will face
00:26:55to Catholics
00:26:56against non-Catholics.
00:26:57And not only that,
00:26:58as usually happens
00:26:59in other Marian apparitions,
00:27:01the prophecies
00:27:02They were all catastrophists,
00:27:04It was the end of the world,
00:27:06If we were going in this direction,
00:27:08if we continued sinning,
00:27:10the world was going to end.
00:27:12Even Iker
00:27:13speaks in one of those prophecies
00:27:14of a figure
00:27:15that frightened
00:27:16to everyone
00:27:17at that time,
00:27:17the antichrist.
00:27:18The Antichrist
00:27:19will be born in India
00:27:20and will have two teeth at birth,
00:27:22they used to say.
00:27:23In Esquioga it was said
00:27:24that the antichrist
00:27:25He was born in India,
00:27:26I was nine years old
00:27:26and teeth.
00:27:28What is the significance?
00:27:29Why these messages
00:27:30in children as young as ten years old?
00:27:32Children who were burned,
00:27:33punctured,
00:27:34children who were imprisoned,
00:27:35Carmen.
00:27:36All kinds were done
00:27:37of medical tests
00:27:38to see if during
00:27:39those ecstasies
00:27:39so tremendous
00:27:40into which they fell
00:27:41the little ones,
00:27:43young children,
00:27:44reacted
00:27:45some of those stimuli
00:27:46and at no time
00:27:48They reacted to them.
00:27:49Their hands were burning,
00:27:50They were pricked
00:27:50with terrible needles.
00:27:52But not only that,
00:27:53It is the only Marian apparition
00:27:55in which the seers
00:27:57end
00:27:57or else confined
00:27:58in a mental asylum,
00:28:00in this case
00:28:00in Mondragón,
00:28:01or imprisoned.
00:28:04The X-Files
00:28:04of the Catholic Church,
00:28:05Esquioga,
00:28:06a topic that nobody
00:28:07wants to talk,
00:28:07that nobody wants to remember,
00:28:08But that's what it's for.
00:28:09Fourth Millennium,
00:28:10to obtain documents
00:28:11who are worthy
00:28:12to be debated
00:28:13at their own home,
00:28:14documents that cannot be forgotten
00:28:16if they see each other only once,
00:28:17documents such as
00:28:18the photographs
00:28:19that we are receiving
00:28:20here on this program.
00:28:21We are very grateful,
00:28:22cards,
00:28:23tapes,
00:28:24filming,
00:28:25emails,
00:28:26We are flooded
00:28:27and grateful to them,
00:28:28of course,
00:28:29because there are thousands already
00:28:30of information
00:28:31which of course
00:28:32we will investigate
00:28:32to the very end,
00:28:34Carmen.
00:28:34We wanted to rescue
00:28:35Iker, one of the photographs
00:28:37that are most repeated
00:28:38in our mailbox.
00:28:39People now
00:28:40He carries many digital cameras,
00:28:41almost all the photographs
00:28:43that they send us
00:28:43It is through email
00:28:45and arise
00:28:46a series of phenomena,
00:28:48a series of spheres
00:28:49in many of them
00:28:50that they do not understand.
00:28:51According to experts
00:28:52These are called
00:28:53orbs.
00:28:54Orbs.
00:28:54Cayetano Martín Bertrán
00:28:55He sent us a photograph
00:28:57where it is seen
00:28:58a salt mine
00:28:59which was where they were
00:29:00full of these little figurines.
00:29:03We have analyzed
00:29:04this image
00:29:05and what it tells us
00:29:06that this type of photography
00:29:07It is becoming more and more common
00:29:08due to proliferation
00:29:10of digital cameras.
00:29:12Besides,
00:29:12this effect,
00:29:13these balls of light
00:29:14It is due to an effect
00:29:15multiple bounce
00:29:17of the flash light
00:29:18in the camera's optics.
00:29:19Well,
00:29:20Well, the mystery
00:29:20of the orbs
00:29:21It seems to be natural
00:29:22and not supernatural.
00:29:23Guillermo León,
00:29:24our IT specialist,
00:29:25that's what it has been determined.
00:29:26There are other documents
00:29:28that I don't know
00:29:29how to take them,
00:29:30Carmen.
00:29:30They circulate throughout the network.
00:29:32They circulate throughout the network
00:29:33And the truth is that
00:29:34many of you
00:29:35they asked us
00:29:36because of this video.
00:29:37What's the truth?
00:29:37Is it an urban legend?
00:29:39Well, if they want to
00:29:40Let's see it
00:29:40and then we'll discuss it.
00:29:42Did you hear that?
00:29:45Anyone there?
00:29:48Friend,
00:29:50what is your name?
00:29:59Friend,
00:30:01little girl.
00:30:02We will continue.
00:30:13Man,
00:30:13I could tell you
00:30:14don't trust them
00:30:15of what circulates
00:30:16over the network.
00:30:17There are a lot of people
00:30:17This is true,
00:30:19analyze it
00:30:20those from Cuarto Milenio.
00:30:21I think it's going to fall
00:30:22by its own weight.
00:30:23What interests us
00:30:23really
00:30:24These are the documents
00:30:25that you have obtained.
00:30:26Yes, you do.
00:30:26with their own cameras,
00:30:27with their own documents.
00:30:28Those are the important ones
00:30:29And that's what there's always something for.
00:30:30two ways to contact,
00:30:31Carmen.
00:30:31Of course,
00:30:33we have two paths
00:30:34contact
00:30:34where we are receiving
00:30:35all types of material.
00:30:37Next week,
00:30:38If they want,
00:30:38we will analyze one
00:30:39of those videos
00:30:40that they have sent us
00:30:41where you
00:30:42have tested
00:30:43to create psychoimages.
00:30:44Do you remember the dish?
00:30:45that we do here
00:30:46the experience?
00:30:47Well, there are results now.
00:30:48also from you,
00:30:49of the viewers.
00:30:51There are two ways to contact us
00:30:52where can they send us?
00:30:53all this material
00:30:54or whatever you want.
00:30:56One is through
00:30:56from the email
00:30:57fourth millennium
00:30:58at4.com
00:31:00And of course,
00:31:00regular mail
00:31:01fourth millennium
00:31:02Gran Vía street
00:31:03number 32
00:31:04third floor
00:31:0528.013 from Madrid.
00:31:06It's important,
00:31:07Carmen,
00:31:07that they put
00:31:08where they send from
00:31:09that document.
00:31:10We want to know
00:31:10in which cities
00:31:11There is more quantity
00:31:12of strange phenomena.
00:31:13It would be an interesting ranking.
00:31:15And by the way,
00:31:15Our ship continues
00:31:16traversing space
00:31:18of the mysteries
00:31:18And what comes next,
00:31:20I'll tell you right now,
00:31:21It's breathtaking.
00:31:23At 3 a.m.,
00:31:25several glows
00:31:26are reflected
00:31:27on one of the walls
00:31:28of the temple
00:31:28and they catch our attention
00:31:30immediately.
00:31:31Who is approaching us?
00:31:33The repeated flashes
00:31:35make our camera,
00:31:36Teo Plaza,
00:31:37run ahead
00:31:38of the objectives
00:31:39in search of an answer.
00:31:41Nobody has sneaked in
00:31:42in the security zone
00:31:43and all members
00:31:45of the team
00:31:45we stay together.
00:31:48Where do they come from?
00:31:49Those lights?
00:31:55About 500 meters away
00:31:57of the bridge
00:31:58that crosses the road,
00:32:00I was accelerating uphill
00:32:01the car,
00:32:03and suddenly a girl
00:32:04about 15 meters away
00:32:07He kind of signaled me.
00:32:09The first reaction
00:32:10it was lifting your foot
00:32:11of the accelerator
00:32:12and stop
00:32:12And just when this happened
00:32:14I found myself
00:32:14with a car without lights
00:32:15for the middle of the road.
00:32:37The ancients claimed
00:32:38than in the places
00:32:39of pain,
00:32:39from crying,
00:32:40of blood,
00:32:40of suffering
00:32:41strange phenomena were occurring,
00:32:43it gave the impression
00:32:44that something
00:32:44It just floated there.
00:32:46Perhaps in Spain
00:32:47Let's have a town
00:32:48that generates
00:32:49these kinds of feelings
00:32:50and of questions.
00:32:52It's Belchite,
00:32:52located in the heart
00:32:54from Aragon.
00:32:55Today nobody walks
00:32:56its streets,
00:32:56Nobody walks through them,
00:32:57all that remains is ruin,
00:32:59destruction
00:32:59and above all
00:33:00memory
00:33:01from a terrible past,
00:33:02a place where brothers
00:33:04They fought to the death
00:33:05and already converted today
00:33:06in a gigantic
00:33:07mass grave.
00:33:09However,
00:33:09As I said,
00:33:10the researchers
00:33:10have come
00:33:11from the last 20 years
00:33:13trying to find each other
00:33:14face to face
00:33:14with the unusual.
00:33:15Us too
00:33:16We've done it.
00:33:17We have come
00:33:17commanded
00:33:18by our correspondent
00:33:19Francisco Contreras.
00:33:20We wanted to know
00:33:21how to investigate
00:33:22these people
00:33:23that with zeal
00:33:24look for something unusual
00:33:25but surprising,
00:33:27something that you
00:33:27They need to know.
00:33:28We wanted to call it
00:33:29the voices of war.
00:33:35August 24
00:33:37of 1937
00:33:38it was conceived
00:33:39one of the episodes
00:33:40more bloody
00:33:41of the civil war.
00:33:42The International Brigades
00:33:44they were advancing
00:33:44through Aragonese lands
00:33:45under the command of General Pozas
00:33:47taking locations
00:33:48as Fifth,
00:33:49Elbow,
00:33:50Median
00:33:50or Source All.
00:33:51But in its advance
00:33:53they bumped into each other
00:33:53with the resistance
00:33:54unexpected
00:33:55from a small town,
00:33:57Belchite.
00:33:58We played
00:33:58the bell
00:33:59of the tower
00:33:59but generally
00:34:01the noise of the airplane
00:34:02and we started
00:34:03run to the cave
00:34:04closer than there was.
00:34:05It's been a long time
00:34:06but nobody can
00:34:07banish from memory
00:34:08the instrument
00:34:09of the aircraft
00:34:10flying over
00:34:10and launching the howitzers.
00:34:12The road was coming
00:34:13of an alarm
00:34:14and let's get involved
00:34:15wherever we could
00:34:16the caves
00:34:17and all the studies
00:34:18to save
00:34:20the little pelt, of course.
00:34:22Or those screams
00:34:23of the wounded
00:34:23piled up
00:34:24at the blood hospital
00:34:25that was located
00:34:26in the church
00:34:27of San Martín.
00:34:27We lived outside
00:34:28of the town
00:34:29and we left
00:34:30to the center
00:34:31of the town
00:34:31to the church
00:34:32that they will take a while there
00:34:33more to come
00:34:34and then
00:34:35I looked out
00:34:36to the choir
00:34:38of the parish church
00:34:39and I saw that he was
00:34:40the whole church
00:34:41downstairs full of wounded
00:34:42all
00:34:43mother
00:34:43one of them said
00:34:44mother
00:34:45and I told him
00:34:45Oh my God
00:34:46Well, what happens to them?
00:34:47these kids
00:34:48how badly they have treated them
00:34:49goes and my father
00:34:52and all
00:34:52because last night
00:34:53they buried
00:34:53to all who died
00:34:54but that day
00:34:55fell
00:34:56lots of bomb
00:34:57in there
00:34:58of the church
00:34:59and many died.
00:35:01Nobody has managed
00:35:02erase the print
00:35:02of those military personnel
00:35:03from both sides
00:35:05that they recruited
00:35:06people
00:35:06so that they could bury them
00:35:07to their own
00:35:08family members and neighbors.
00:35:10That's what happened
00:35:11until Belchite
00:35:12it ended up becoming
00:35:14little by little
00:35:14in a gigantic
00:35:16mass grave.
00:35:17Every time there was
00:35:18executions
00:35:19Well, 14-year-old boys
00:35:21and 15 years
00:35:21that were
00:35:22here in Belchite
00:35:23and they had to call them
00:35:24because
00:35:24those who executed them
00:35:26They had no guts
00:35:27to bury them
00:35:27They were calling young people
00:35:29and one day it was his turn
00:35:30to my brother
00:35:31to this church
00:35:32of San Martín
00:35:33that I have behind me
00:35:35well one day
00:35:36They called him
00:35:37and had to bury
00:35:38Well, four or five
00:35:40corpses
00:35:41along
00:35:42five high.
00:35:44Franco chose
00:35:44for not rebuilding
00:35:45the people
00:35:46he decided to leave it
00:35:47just as it had been left
00:35:48after the contest.
00:35:50Over the years
00:35:50and in parallel
00:35:52to tranquility
00:35:52that enveloped him
00:35:53a rumor started
00:35:55to extend
00:35:55in the region.
00:35:57In those houses
00:35:58dilapidated
00:35:59in those churches
00:36:00ruined
00:36:01occurred
00:36:02phenomena
00:36:03inexplicable.
00:36:11which are things
00:36:13very rare
00:36:13I mean
00:36:14which is that I
00:36:14see it
00:36:15nor hear
00:36:16I haven't heard it
00:36:17but that people
00:36:18Yes, he has come
00:36:19and she heard it
00:36:19And they say that in that part
00:36:21That's where it was heard the most.
00:36:22It all began
00:36:22when the radio equipment
00:36:24of the program
00:36:24Fourth Dimension
00:36:25commanded by
00:36:26Carlos Bogdánich
00:36:27he went there
00:36:28with the intention
00:36:29to perform
00:36:29different experiments
00:36:30psychophonics.
00:36:32It was a night
00:36:32October
00:36:33of 1986.
00:36:36We came with the hope
00:36:37to have an experience
00:36:38to see how suddenly
00:36:40the world of EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena)
00:36:41could contribute
00:36:42something honorable
00:36:43us.
00:36:44We came with a team
00:36:45fairly good
00:36:46for that time
00:36:47oh well
00:36:47We're talking
00:36:48from the year 1986
00:36:49and we're talking
00:36:50of some teams
00:36:51that within what there was
00:36:52It was the best
00:36:53that was available on the market.
00:36:55That type of equipment
00:36:55It provoked us
00:36:56the possibility
00:36:57to do
00:36:57a psychophony
00:36:59with two microphones
00:37:00from different angles
00:37:01of this church
00:37:02which of course
00:37:03has happened
00:37:04and the walls
00:37:05as we say
00:37:06many times
00:37:06It seems they are speaking to us.
00:37:08of everything that happened
00:37:09then
00:37:10well, somehow
00:37:11those microphones
00:37:12They captured some sounds
00:37:13that we
00:37:14being here
00:37:15We didn't have a chance.
00:37:16from listening
00:37:16at no time.
00:37:20the microphones
00:37:21and the microphones
00:37:21and the microphones
00:37:22and the microphones
00:37:22and the microphones
00:37:23and the microphones
00:37:30and the microphones
00:37:31and the microphones
00:37:32and the microphones
00:37:34and the microphones
00:37:35and the microphones
00:37:35and the microphones
00:37:36and the microphones
00:37:36and the microphones
00:37:37and the microphones
00:37:38and the microphones
00:37:38and the microphones
00:37:38and the microphones
00:37:38and the microphones
00:37:40and the microphones
00:37:41and the microphones
00:37:42and the microphones
00:37:46and the microphones
00:37:47supposedly inexplicable, they turned Belchite into an enclave of experimentation
00:37:52for parapsychologists. Not surprisingly, over the last decade, a large number
00:37:57Experts have focused their work there. They go there, though they may be reluctant to admit it, in search of
00:38:02Of the sounds of war. Those that seem to have stopped time in this sad place.
00:38:08and desolate.
00:38:16Voices, stories, lost memories—everything seems to converge in Belchite. The recordings are astonishing.
00:38:22Don't tell me no. Shells, airplanes... We heard and saw Carlos Bogdánich in the middle of the night
00:38:28Investigating. We owe it to him to know this story, at least to know the second part.
00:38:31of this story, the one that links the mysterious past with supposedly supernatural phenomena.
00:38:37Mr. Carlos Bogdánich, welcome, good evening.
00:38:39Good evening, Iker.
00:38:40I imagine it's impossible not to remember that first night?
00:38:44No, that stays with you, etched in your memory and deep in your heart, because...
00:38:49Somehow, the place where you and your team were recording last time noticed it.
00:38:56Well, in 1986, when I made the first EVP recording, or when we achieved that EVP recording,
00:39:02Because ultimately we were going to do an experiment to see what would happen, right?
00:39:06And the place is truly imposing; it's a bastion of what we shouldn't do.
00:39:12of what shouldn't happen. And it really is a place, I don't know if it's called the ethereal one
00:39:19or with a perhaps grandiose name, but what is clear is that anyone
00:39:25With a minimum of sensitivity, walking through those streets, seeing the ruins and seeing what is there
00:39:30It would move anyone. And then, of course, to be there all night and achieve that
00:39:36The psychophony and those sounds were truly impactful, not only in '86, but throughout the
00:39:40years, thanks to people like you, from your team and people from other media outlets,
00:39:45They made it known, and it was somewhat the beginning of this whole world of EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena),
00:39:51As you rightly said, starting from Belchite.
00:39:53Hey Carlos, honestly, I've never asked you that. Of all the ones you were able to get,
00:39:57that sound of a howitzer or howitzers falling, as examples we have here, instruments of death,
00:40:03airplanes, vintage cars. Which one has stayed with you the most, personally?
00:40:07Which one impresses the researcher the most?
00:40:08Well, the most interesting thing was the first bombshell, that very first bombshell...
00:40:13Terrible.
00:40:14That we, after spending a couple of hours listening to the rehash of the... because they were
00:40:19Many hours of EVP recording, that is, many hours of recording. And really, almost
00:40:24Six hours of recording, it was only an hour and a bit of sound, but after two
00:40:30hours of listening to recycled material, we were at seven or eight in the morning, after
00:40:35I had a sleepless night, with my headphones on in the Radio Heraldo laboratories back then
00:40:40So, from the Heraldo Aragón, and listening, and you know very well, Iker, and many of the
00:40:44Listeners will know what the "rehash" sound is, when you're listening to a tape that isn't...
00:40:48Listen to nothing, and of course, without having slept, cold, hungry, all those things, well if
00:40:54Add to that the fact of wearing headphones, and there came a point when we were completely exhausted.
00:40:58We were falling asleep. And suddenly there was that loud bang you heard, it woke us up
00:41:02Absolutely, and from that bombshell onwards, everything started to be heard. Perhaps the surprise was
00:41:08The bombshell, as I said, but the most shocking thing, the thing that affected us the most
00:41:14Even for listeners of Fourth Dimension at that time, it was hearing the sound of
00:41:19plane, because you can clearly hear it getting closer, how it's almost passing by
00:41:24above our heads, and how it recedes, and that deep down, deeper down
00:41:30That sound even resembles the sound of bombs falling, that is to say,
00:41:34Something that the people who survived that era, who listened to the program back then
00:41:37Then, he called us live on the radio program, crying as well, and saying live on air
00:41:43You're transporting me back to that moment in Spanish history, aren't you? And perhaps it really is.
00:41:48The sound of the airplane is the most striking, because it somehow attracts attention.
00:41:53I mean, it's a three-dimensional thing, right? In this case, four-dimensional.
00:41:58That's precisely what I completely agree with Carlos on, and his program was called Fourth Dimension.
00:42:02And here we are on Cuarto Milenio, nothing is a coincidence, nothing is a coincidence, Carlos.
00:42:05Sounds of the past, let's go now to see how our reporters spend the night
00:42:09In Belchite, you were there, tell me a place in Belchite that is particularly striking,
00:42:14Well, because of what you feel, because everything is at the level of raw, visceral sensations, right?
00:42:18Yes, I believe that every angle of the old town of Belchite contributes its own energy
00:42:24And it gives off a very strange feeling. There are people, Iker, that we'll talk about if we have time.
00:42:30of cases of people who have personally suffered, I don't know, an altered emotional state
00:42:36for suddenly feeling like you're being watched, or feeling surrounded by people, or I don't know, sensations
00:42:43Strange things that, man, scientifically, how can that be proven? Well, it's a bit
00:42:50It's difficult, but the experience at that particular place makes people talk about it.
00:42:55including people who are completely removed from any kind of fanaticism that may be
00:43:00the world of parapsychology, which sometimes involves encountering very fanatical people who see things
00:43:04where there aren't any, right? And yet there are people, I remember a member of the team of
00:43:09fourth dimension, totally skeptical of these kinds of topics, who accompanied us in
00:43:13That time, and she certainly had a very bad time. And of course, she noticed things that had no explanation.
00:43:18Her mind couldn't explain what she was feeling. The others at that moment
00:43:23We didn't feel it, but we felt other things. That is, there's a conglomeration of energies.
00:43:27that are managed and that must be the product of an energy concentration that was forged there
00:43:34Unfortunately, it's very negative, and that this lasts for a long time or whatever.
00:43:38A kind of loop that constantly repeats itself and that unfortunately is only evil and like
00:43:44Carlos Bogdánich, a living example of what we can never achieve, said it very well.
00:43:48The cruelest version of humanity was concentrated there in Belchit. Our reporters were there.
00:43:53in one night, as is logical and the precise norm of this program, to try to see and feel
00:43:59What happens on any given night, in the dead of winter, in Belchit? And there were,
00:44:04I assure you, there will be many surprises.
00:44:06There are only a few hours of daylight left, and as you walk among the ruins of the churches of San Martín or
00:44:11The Cross of the Fallen, a strange feeling takes hold of the team. A chill runs through them.
00:44:17our spine as it reaches the level of the mass grave that awaits in the very heart
00:44:22From Belchite. Night falls, the world of shadows takes over these lifeless streets.
00:44:29It's time for the investigation to begin. Accompanied by Pedro Amorós, president of
00:44:35The Spanish Society for Parapsychological Research, we set up the base camp inside the
00:44:40Church of San Martín. It is the place that once served as a field hospital, full of patients.
00:44:46of the dying. The same place where, during the 1980s, Carlos Bogdánich obtained those
00:44:53terrifying psychophonies of airplanes and howitzers.
00:45:00We designated a security perimeter to prevent any intrusion. In a small
00:45:06We monitor the images sent to us by our infrared camera on the television.
00:45:10and which in turn are recorded on a hard drive.
00:45:13We're in Belchite, it's 15 degrees Celsius, and it's raining. We're at the church.
00:45:20From San Martín, the place where we began our night of investigation. The images that
00:45:25You are being monitored in real time. We are recording everything.
00:45:31strange phenomenon, any anomaly that occurs in this field of vision will be
00:45:36recorded by our lens. At 3 a.m., several flashes were
00:45:42They reflect off one of the temple walls and immediately catch our attention. Who
00:45:47Is it approaching us? The repeated flashes of light make our cameraman, Teo Plaza, run ahead.
00:45:53of the targets in search of an answer. Nobody has infiltrated the security zone and
00:45:59All the team members stay together. Where do those luminaries come from?
00:46:06That wasn't going to be the only surprise the night had in store for us. An hour later
00:46:11We moved the electronic devices to the church of San Agustín, a place where
00:46:16Just two days earlier, two security guards had witnessed a
00:46:21perplexing episode.
00:46:25There were two of us security guards on the night shift, and well, in this same
00:46:29camp in the house we have there behind me, the back part takes place
00:46:33The irrigation ditch and the trees we see—I don't know if they can be seen above it—were illuminated at
00:46:3810:15, 10:20 at night in the same cup, only the highest terraces
00:46:43with tremendous intensity. It seemed to have a kind of volumetric intensity because
00:46:48The intensity would decrease and increase two or three times. Then it stopped.
00:46:54In other words, it lasted for a few moments, and then an hour and a half later the phenomenon occurred again, being
00:46:59The two of us who were here witnessed it. Later, we had this behind us
00:47:04a metal water tank onto which something threw stones, that is, small stones
00:47:11like gravel, checking the sound, verifying the field and noting that there was absolutely nothing
00:47:16Nobody. We also checked the back field, the irrigation ditch, and the entire area for the luminous phenomenon.
00:47:21We looked behind the house and observed that there was no one there, nor any light source that could have
00:47:26We don't understand or find a logical explanation for this type of phenomenon.
00:47:31After half an hour, our lenses captured a new luminous phenomenon. Perhaps
00:47:37The same one the guards saw. It appeared and disappeared. Its intensity was constant.
00:47:44It could only have been someone who had crossed the security perimeter carrying
00:47:48Some kind of lamp. But who? Who at that hour? And in that place, in the middle
00:47:54out of nowhere. We searched the area for an hour, but all our efforts were unsuccessful.
00:48:01We were unable to locate the origin of the solitary star, which several attempts were made to approximate.
00:48:06times. After four in the morning, we started recording in search of possible
00:48:12EVP recordings. Together with Pedro Amorós, we began the preparations. He remembered perfectly.
00:48:19How was that first investigation in these ruins of Belchite?
00:48:24The first time we came here was in 1999. The goal was to try to verify
00:48:29the veracity of some of the psychophonic inclusions that had been obtained here
00:48:33in Belchite. And I remember it was very curious because we positioned ourselves at different points with the
00:48:40in order to check the sound and to verify and collect those alleged EVP recordings.
00:48:45We used Faraday cages, we used a series of technical devices to verify
00:48:51The accurate recording of the EVP. And well, it was impressive. It was impressive.
00:48:56because we collected, recorded, many inclusions that gave us goosebumps.
00:49:12Another one, specifically, just as the bells of the Town Clock Tower were ringing.
00:49:20New from Belchite, a voice appeared saying, "Stop the clock." Another even said, "Surrender."
00:49:40Another even called out to the light, as if recalling the past, echoes of the past. The truth is that
00:49:48Numerous EVP recordings were made, which gave us some background on what...
00:49:52This could be it. Perhaps one of those iconic locations in the world of EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena).
00:49:57Among the technical equipment, we have unidirectional microphones and spectrometric analyzers.
00:50:03for sound controls and Faraday cages. Sound insulation is essential for this
00:50:09type of experiments.
00:50:10The Church of San Martín, the Clock Tower, and several ruined houses were the points
00:50:16where we conducted the psychophonic tests. None of the tests yielded positive results.
00:50:21Despite the adverse weather conditions, we continued our work until dawn.
00:50:27But the sounds of war remained elusive during the early morning hours, as if the rain
00:50:32I will scare them away on this dog's night.
00:50:36Promising to return very soon to confront the mystery under more favorable conditions
00:50:42And still shaken by the events we had experienced, we welcomed the dawn and called it a day.
00:50:49Our investigation, without being able to stop feeling that shiver always attached to our spine
00:50:56Back. That feeling that stayed with us until the very moment we left behind
00:51:02the dead town.
00:51:05The dead village.
00:51:11Carlos Baudanich, my friend, a pioneer in this story. Thank you for your research and your courage.
00:51:15At that time. We are talking today, 20 years after Belchis, and may it be for a long time.
00:51:19Thank you so much for your visit.
00:51:20To you and your great team.
00:51:21Thank you very much, Carlos. And now I'm going to leave you with a story, with a testimony.
00:51:24which also gives me goosebumps, honestly.
00:51:27Belchis. There was a team that wanted to make a short film. They chose a location. A terrifying location.
00:51:32Belchis. I think they're still thinking about it.
00:51:40We went to Belchis on November 20, 2004 because we were filming a short film
00:51:45for Aden Productions, titled The Other Side, in which we wanted to reflect all the paraphernalia
00:51:50and everyone involved in the alleged apparitions in this town in Zaragoza.
00:51:55And we were a team of approximately 18 or 20 people, most of us totally skeptical.
00:52:01And what a surprise it was when, right there in the middle of filming, in the middle of the night, something happened to us
00:52:06two or three things that were at least strange.
00:52:10The first one I remember is, while recording a sound, a thunderous noise was heard.
00:52:16Furthermore, he couldn't come from anywhere because there was no roof and therefore he couldn't
00:52:20Nothing fell. And then, a very strong smell, like ammonia, something rotten.
00:52:27I'm almost sticking with the most objective fact, which is battery life.
00:52:34Batteries that we are very used to working with.
00:52:37We've already done three projects with Neoproducciones and, suddenly, well, batteries that come to you
00:52:41They used to last five hours, but they only lasted thirty minutes. Likewise, a monitor, which is already a piece of
00:52:48The house, she went into the church, it stopped working. She wasn't all night thinking she was
00:52:54It was broken, and when I left there, it started working again.
00:53:00The voices of war. Without a doubt, the case remains open. And you must
00:53:05draw your own opinion after observing and reflecting on the elements we have
00:53:10proposed. By the way, unusual, strange things happen every week. What happens
00:53:15The thing is, they're not usually counted. We do, though; we count them in our own special news ticker.
00:53:19of the mystery, Carmen.
00:53:20We're going to travel to Manhattan, to New York. There we'll have to go to the exhibition center.
00:53:25From the port, we'll encounter a truly unusual display: 22 corpses.
00:53:31and 260 organs that are plasticized using a technique with hardened silicone. This
00:53:39This unusual display is causing a great deal of controversy right now in the United States.
00:53:44And who's surprised? You only have to see it to believe it. A truly macabre exhibition. I don't know.
00:53:48If we're going to call what's happening in Colombia macabre, the protagonist is a bleeding Christ.
00:53:53In Cali, apparently, a Christ figure has begun to sweat blood. That's what thousands are saying.
00:53:59of the faithful who come every day to the Good Shepherd parish. The Pilgrim Christ,
00:54:04who is already making his own personal pilgrimage throughout Colombia, where he says that they are
00:54:09giving all kinds of healings, even to people who believe themselves to be possessed by the devil,
00:54:15It's happening in this small town, Iker, where that Christ has begun to sweat.
00:54:20Blood. Some of the samples of what is happening, some of the specific samples.
00:54:24Blood samples have been sent to the Vatican. In other words, we have an X-File on the Church, on what
00:54:29that we were talking about earlier, live and in person. It happened this very week. The same as
00:54:33the discovery of a series of truly unusual mummies, the oldest in the world.
00:54:38They are no less than 7,000 years old. These are the mummies of
00:54:43Chinchorro, in Chile. More than 100 mummified baby bodies were discovered there.
00:54:49around the 1960s. And now a team of archaeologists led by Bernardo Arriaza has obtained
00:54:56The answer to why this mummification occurs is none other than the high levels of...
00:55:01levels of arsenic that have been found in the area, in the soil.
00:55:05I look at the images of these mummies, of these children, and the sensations are quite curious.
00:55:10as if they were telling us something from the other side. These are just my assumptions, because
00:55:14of course. We end up not with assumptions, but with verifiable facts. Like a book, a
00:55:19A book that has provoked violence, revenge, bloodshed, money. It has provoked all of that. They say
00:55:26which is the strangest untranslated manuscript of all time.
00:55:29A book that, according to experts, may date from the 15th century, although they don't even have that much proof.
00:55:34Sure. It's a series of plates written in a language that neither linguists nor mathematicians can decipher.
00:55:40No computer programs have been able to translate it, but Iker, on the other hand, now has a copy
00:55:45One of their books has been published in France. For 55 euros we can obtain this book that you
00:55:51They can see it themselves, they can read it, and even, why not, some of you might find it.
00:55:57This translation from a language that is currently unknown.
00:56:00Since codes are all the rage, let's talk about the Voynich code. It's not a bad place to start your research.
00:56:0455 euros doesn't seem expensive to me, honestly. What is expensive is the feeling, the feeling
00:56:11terrible thing that one can suffer if something happens to them, for example, on a lonely road.
00:56:14The road has always been a place prone to encountering the strange. I confess to you
00:56:20The story we are about to tell you is one that has impacted me the most.
00:56:24So many years of investigation. It happened at kilometer 159.
00:56:29And that shocked me a lot because they were completely still, the people were paralyzed.
00:56:36And I noticed the last one especially. As I walked past, he was the one who looked at me the most.
00:56:40And I saw that the last one was wearing a round sun hat.
00:56:47He was carrying a bucket in his hand, and besides, he had no face. I mean, his face was all over the place.
00:56:52black.
00:57:16There's one question that people always seem to get asked. And that's normal. People want to know.
00:57:22In what specific situation were you most frightened? Where did you feel goosebumps? And the answer
00:57:28It's very difficult. It's many years, many stories, many testimonies. But tonight
00:57:32Let's start trying. Let's learn about one of those cases, one of those stories.
00:57:36One that I can't forget. And the truth is, I've tried. It had a profound impact on me.
00:57:42Terrible. Perhaps because of the level of the testimonies and knowing that many other people have also experienced them.
00:57:48I had seen it. There, at that spot on the road. But they didn't dare tell me. And if I
00:57:55They were swearing to me that they would never make it public. That's why I'm especially grateful for the
00:58:00The courage of the testimonies you are about to see is remarkable. These are people who have broken through a wall of silence.
00:58:04But perhaps from now on, many more will try to tell us what happens at that point.
00:58:10kilometer marker of a specific road. It could be any other, because these stories
00:58:14They are found in different parts of the country. But it just so happens that it's there.
00:58:19Only there. In a place marked by blood, tragedy, and despair.
00:58:25Once again, mystery and a place with a dramatic event. Join me on this journey. A journey,
00:58:33I warn you, it's a bit overwhelming. Let's go to kilometer marker 159.
00:58:45Early morning of August 19, 2004, a car drives slowly along the national highway
00:58:51Route 340, as it passes through the province of Tarragona. At the wheel, an experienced driver.
00:58:57In the back seats, his wife and daughter are sleeping peacefully. At the end of a straight stretch,
00:59:04At approximately 2:10 in the morning, something appears on the road.
00:59:10And at that moment, when they placed the cross on the bed, they appeared on the left side.
00:59:14From the road, they went to the shoulder. It's a group of about 7-8 people, but separated.
00:59:21one meter each. Some were facing the road and others were facing back.
00:59:27towards the field. And that shocked me a lot, because they were completely still, they were paralyzed.
00:59:33to the people. And besides, there were children or it was a woman, and as I told you, one looked
00:59:38I looked back, and I focused mainly on the last one. As I passed the last one, it was the one that
00:59:42The more I looked at myself, the more I saw that the last one was wearing a round sun hat.
00:59:48He had a cube in his hand, and besides, he had no face. I mean, what was supposed to be his face was all black.
00:59:53Who were they? What were they doing there? Who were they waiting for in the middle of the night?
00:59:59Javier Martín Moraleda, a skeptical person with an absolutely rational temperament, is one
01:00:05of those witnesses who have had the misfortune of encountering a horrifying vision in
01:00:09that point on the route. And it's not the only one. What he didn't know at that moment is that
01:00:16Years ago, in the same place where those strange beings were being held, something had happened
01:00:21one of the greatest tragedies in our country's history.
01:00:25When my wife told me that I didn't know that the place was changing those jibs,
01:00:29First I asked him what was happening here, and he told me that more than 200 people had died
01:00:32And it was a tragedy. Well, I immediately made the connection, and I thought, well, I don't know, it might be something that has
01:00:37What does this have to do with those deaths? The truth is, I kept the sheet of paper when he told me about it.
01:00:43It all happened on a fateful July 11, 1978. A tanker truck from the refinery
01:00:50In oil filled with propylene gas, it carried its deadly cargo along the Catalan coast,
01:00:55until it exploded right in front of the Los Alfaques campsite, at kilometer 159.
01:01:17A tongue of fire swept across everything from the road to the sea, and as if
01:01:22As if the apocalypse had suddenly arrived, hundreds of bathers disintegrated on the shore.
01:01:28from the beach. Others, surprised by the shockwave, turned into statues.
01:01:34of coal, forever immobilized in their last gesture, in their last hollow.
01:01:41It's something that when you pass by here, you automatically don't see the current landscape,
01:01:46You see the landscape from that time, and it's incredibly horrifying. Being able to see the opening sequences,
01:01:52The first scenes were terribly dramatic; they were entire families, completely
01:01:57charred. People caught having breakfast, people caught playing cards,
01:02:03And they were in the same chairs, in the same positions, but completely charred.
01:02:08The ambient temperature instantly reached 2000 degrees Celsius. The seawater
01:02:13It boiled instantly, dissolving men, women, and children in seconds.
01:02:18They were playing in the sand. A crater 20 meters in diameter remained on the road.
01:02:23two meters deep. In barely a minute, an unprecedented cataclysm had occurred
01:02:30in that quiet corner of the coast. The journalists who witnessed that hell, never
01:02:36They will be able to forget. Approaching the beach and seeing a rock that was four meters away
01:02:45from the shore, where some had leaned, right on top of the rock they were
01:02:53the two skins of the two hands stuck in the rock, because the heat had left them
01:02:59There they are, stuck. I'll think about it, I'll see it, and I won't get it out of my head.
01:03:09Right above these rocks, dozens of lives were extinguished in a tenth of a second.
01:03:14And right here, several people have seen the solitary effigies of what
01:03:19They look like a family dressed in summer clothes, stopped in the middle of the road, in total silence.
01:03:25As if they were forever linked to this spot, where just a year ago
01:03:30Javier was one of the few people who have dared to break the silence.
01:03:35Martín Moraleda.
01:03:36I don't know, nothing like this had ever happened to me before, I'd never even thought it could happen to me
01:03:39Nothing like that, I had never believed in things like this, even from
01:03:44Today I believe in what I've seen, but I don't know if I believe there's something more, I don't know.
01:03:50HE
01:03:50What I saw, and what I saw, every day when I wake up in the morning I remember it every single day.
01:03:53In other words, nobody can take that away from me.
01:04:06Impressive, isn't it?
01:04:08That last child, in that row, in that line of figures that Javier Martín Moraleda saw,
01:04:12His face was completely charred; he was a kind of dark mass, holding a bucket.
01:04:17beach gear and a shovel, as if history were repeating itself over and over, as if it had nothing
01:04:23neither beginning nor end, in a kind of loop that always occurs there and that only
01:04:26can be seen under certain conditions.
01:04:29What are they?
01:04:30We don't know, why that vehicle and not another?
01:04:32Why that date and not another?
01:04:34It is curious to observe how these phenomena, which unite tragedy with the mysterious,
01:04:38They are not from now, they come from very ancient times, since man has been man.
01:04:43Even in the oldest and most remote cultures, we have evidence of this on the walls, in drawings,
01:04:47of what they call shadows.
01:04:48A key example lies in the depths of the Valley of the Kings.
01:04:53I would like them to pay special attention to this figure.
01:04:57It appears many times and Egyptologists have not yet been able to determine its meaning.
01:05:01It has recently been suggested that it may be the so-called Caibit or shadow.
01:05:06It is a simple figure, a human being simply wrapped in a kind of black cloak.
01:05:11It is said that when a death is dramatic,
01:05:14that when a young person is taken from the life that is rightfully theirs,
01:05:18his soul does not reach the other side,
01:05:20to that kind of boat of the dead in which so many cultures have believed.
01:05:24He cannot cross both shores.
01:05:25He gets stuck halfway there, not even knowing who he is.
01:05:28repeating his last action over and over again.
01:05:31It is the Caibit or the shadow.
01:05:33Many other cultures copied this term, this idea,
01:05:36all of the ones we have drunk.
01:05:38In the Middle Ages, stories of apparitions in places began to be told
01:05:42where there have been deaths, deaths of children, deaths of women.
01:05:45Almost always people who were not destined to die at that moment.
01:05:48Almost always, as I say, torn souls.
01:05:51This is the theory.
01:05:52To delve deeper into it, we have the exceptional testimony
01:05:55by the professor of anthropology José Luis Cardero.
01:05:58He confirms to us that since man has been man,
01:06:01The shadow has always been close to him.
01:06:07Human beings have encountered these kinds of forces,
01:06:10this type of presence or energy,
01:06:12Let's call it whatever we want,
01:06:14probably since the most remote antiquity.
01:06:16And they have always reacted to them with fear.
01:06:19Because human beings react with fear
01:06:20always or almost always when faced with what is unknown.
01:06:24Once you classify it, once you rationalize it,
01:06:26which puts it in a table, in a ranking,
01:06:30then it is acceptable, it can be explained.
01:06:33But until then, it can't be included in that table.
01:06:36Human beings fear that.
01:06:41It was undoubtedly in the Middle Ages,
01:06:42where these stories became particularly interesting
01:06:46for the general public,
01:06:48almost to the point of being a genuine epidemic of fear.
01:06:50There were some places that were under heavy surveillance.
01:06:53and above all avoided.
01:06:54And always the same formula.
01:06:56Accidental death, untimely death
01:06:58and possibility of occurrence.
01:07:00It's more or less the same theory,
01:07:02in some respects,
01:07:03of the souls in purgatory.
01:07:06Beings between two worlds.
01:07:07Neither alive, nor totally dead.
01:07:10There are some genuinely interesting stories,
01:07:12worthy of being told in a story
01:07:14or today in a movie.
01:07:16It is, for example, the story of the Lady of Edge.
01:07:18It appeared at crossroads.
01:07:20At the crossroads.
01:07:22Places, incidentally, that were always avoided in ancient times.
01:07:24They said it was a sign of Malfario.
01:07:26There emerged a helpless lady
01:07:28who was signaling for the carriage
01:07:30or the rider stopped dead in his tracks.
01:07:33Sometimes the girl would ride on the back of the horse
01:07:35and the knight kept urging on
01:07:38towards the next inn in the next town.
01:07:41Legend has it,
01:07:42Or so this gentleman recounted, utterly terrified,
01:07:44that at a certain point
01:07:45that icy breath clinging to the back of your neck
01:07:48It was cut short.
01:07:49In an unnatural way.
01:07:51This old tale also tells of...
01:07:53that when the rider turned around,
01:07:55The girl had her own head under her arm.
01:07:58It's the story of Edge's decapitated woman.
01:08:00Perhaps the first lady of the roads,
01:08:02of a person who stops travelers
01:08:04so that he can be transferred to another place
01:08:06and thus display its spectral faculty.
01:08:09However, our interest, as is logical,
01:08:11It was about knowing where what is real, what is authentic, begins.
01:08:14and where do ancient fables end?
01:08:16The first case we were able to investigate
01:08:18with exact documents
01:08:20It is the one that happened in Deva, around 1982.
01:08:23There, the Abad family picks up a girl
01:08:25which gives the impression of having been recently run over.
01:08:28Torn pieces of clothing,
01:08:29dark circles under the eyes, blood, disheveled hair.
01:08:31He gets into the car as if fleeing from something.
01:08:34He doesn't speak.
01:08:35And about two or three kilometers away,
01:08:37near a very sharp bend,
01:08:39He says the following words.
01:08:41Be careful because that's where I died.
01:08:43The scene that follows is incredible,
01:08:44I know, but that's what they say happened.
01:08:46The marriage turns around,
01:08:47He turns around and sees that the girl has disappeared.
01:08:50It has vanished like a nightmare, like a bad dream.
01:08:53What happened, what is important,
01:08:54These two people went to the police station
01:08:56of the Civil Guard and was instructed there
01:08:58the first documentation,
01:09:01the first file,
01:09:02about the girl on the curve,
01:09:03as we know it today.
01:09:05It's curious because in these last 20 years,
01:09:07in other parts of Spain,
01:09:09There have been very similar cases.
01:09:10Curves that already have their own names,
01:09:12that are adorned with their mystery,
01:09:14to the walker, to the accident, to the apparition,
01:09:16the Rabasada curve, in Barcelona,
01:09:19the Doblas slope, in Seville,
01:09:21where it is told that two boys of 13-14 years old
01:09:24They die decapitated with a kind of cable
01:09:27high voltage.
01:09:28From there,
01:09:29their effigies at the head waiting on the road.
01:09:32I confess that I didn't believe these stories,
01:09:34I thought they were just urban legends.
01:09:36And for that very reason,
01:09:37a few months ago,
01:09:39in 2004,
01:09:41I tried to conduct a sociological experiment.
01:09:43It was perhaps the first time it had been done in Spain.
01:09:46I tried to make a program about this urban legend
01:09:48And we opened the phones.
01:09:50We received, incredibly enough,
01:09:521,502 testimonies,
01:09:531,502 documents,
01:09:55with names, surnames, telephone numbers.
01:09:57There were Civil Guard officers, fishermen,
01:09:58architects, housewives,
01:10:00the entire social pyramid.
01:10:01And what they were telling me was,
01:10:03Iker is not a fable, I have seen him.
01:10:05I must admit that on that day,
01:10:07that night, that early morning,
01:10:08The mystery slapped my pride in the face.
01:10:11From that moment on I became much more humble
01:10:13And I can neither believe nor disbelieve.
01:10:15The testimonies are there.
01:10:17By the way, we've tried
01:10:19to put ourselves in the shoes of one of the witnesses,
01:10:21try to see what he saw.
01:10:23He's one of many, it could have been someone else.
01:10:25But it happened in the north of Madrid.
01:10:31About 500 meters from the bridge that crossed the railway,
01:10:36He accelerated the car as it went uphill,
01:10:39and suddenly a girl,
01:10:40about 15 meters away,
01:10:43He kind of signaled me.
01:10:45The first reaction was
01:10:46lift your foot off the accelerator and brake,
01:10:48And just as this happened,
01:10:50I came across a car without lights
01:10:51for the middle of the road.
01:10:55I slammed on the brakes and stopped about 2 meters away from him.
01:10:58I told him that if it hadn't been for that girl,
01:11:01that he would have given her a terrible blow.
01:11:04And this man was telling me,
01:11:05But what a girl, what a girl.
01:11:06And I say, the girl, the girl who's there.
01:11:08And I turned around and there was no girl.
01:11:12I turned to the other side of the car
01:11:14And there wasn't a girl either.
01:11:15Juan is not the only one who has faced
01:11:17to the inexplicable
01:11:18on the edge of a northern highway
01:11:20from the province of Madrid.
01:11:21One of many that already make up
01:11:23a disturbing map
01:11:25throughout our country.
01:11:28That cold and impassive girl
01:11:30He saved his life
01:11:31and several passengers.
01:11:34I had plenty of time to see it.
01:11:36Yes, she was tall.
01:11:38She was wearing a turquoise suit,
01:11:40more or less,
01:11:41long turquoise in color.
01:11:43But what I don't remember is his face.
01:11:46No matter how hard I've tried to remember his face,
01:11:47I don't remember her.
01:11:49There are several witnesses in the same area
01:11:51And people talk about souls,
01:11:53of presences,
01:11:55of the spirit of someone who left
01:11:56in the same place
01:11:57where the events took place.
01:12:00Others, more skeptical,
01:12:02They claim that it is
01:12:03of complex hallucinations
01:12:04caused by fatigue
01:12:06and mere suggestion.
01:12:08Be that as it may,
01:12:09The thing is, these stories
01:12:11They seem to be something more
01:12:12more than a simple legend.
01:12:16And that fear, then,
01:12:17It is very possible that it could be
01:12:19indeed a construction
01:12:20of the unconscious.
01:12:21It is very possible that indeed
01:12:22be some kind of force,
01:12:24some kind of phenomenon
01:12:25that has remained there,
01:12:26on that curve,
01:12:27in that place,
01:12:28as a result of that accident
01:12:29or of that violent death
01:12:30that has occurred.
01:12:32It is very possible that it is
01:12:33indeed a ghost,
01:12:34a being from another dimension,
01:12:35from another reality.
01:12:36But we don't really know.
01:12:38That's the great mystery.
01:12:44And after seeing all this,
01:12:46I wonder,
01:12:47Will modern
01:12:48digital cameras
01:12:49to record and photograph
01:12:50All this, Carmen Porter?
01:12:51Well, we don't know.
01:12:53But we were talking earlier
01:12:54of urban legends
01:12:55and what's coming
01:12:56to become one of them
01:12:58This is a photograph
01:12:59that right now
01:12:59the spectators
01:13:00they have on screen.
01:13:01From two different points
01:13:03They sent it to us.
01:13:04The two of them in Ipuzcoa.
01:13:06In Deba, it's the curve.
01:13:07where they were produced
01:13:08those alleged appearances
01:13:09of the girl on the curve.
01:13:11Silvia Gori on one occasion
01:13:12and Ignacio Ruiz in another
01:13:14They were sending us the same image.
01:13:15In it you can see
01:13:16two boys
01:13:17that point to that spot
01:13:18and behind them
01:13:20a figure
01:13:20which seems to catch them
01:13:22with one arm.
01:13:22If we look underneath
01:13:23in the Kiramiedos
01:13:25There's someone lying down too.
01:13:26But someone Iker
01:13:27that we have taken
01:13:28a big surprise.
01:13:29Someone of flesh and blood.
01:13:31And that's because photography
01:13:32It's rigged.
01:13:33It's a photomontage.
01:13:35To our IT analyst
01:13:36Nothing escapes him.
01:13:37I've even found out
01:13:38the computer program
01:13:40with which it has been made
01:13:41the assembly.
01:13:42Amazing
01:13:43without a doubt.
01:13:44Now then
01:13:44There are other photographs
01:13:45that do not have a verdict
01:13:46so clear.
01:13:47Photographs
01:13:48where they appear
01:13:49strange figures.
01:13:51Well, imagine.
01:13:52that suddenly
01:13:52You're with four friends
01:13:54having a snack
01:13:55You take a photograph
01:13:56And something emerges from behind.
01:13:58A ghostly figure
01:14:00in this case
01:14:01of a girl.
01:14:02Apparently
01:14:03There was someone there.
01:14:04We don't know
01:14:05if someone ethereal
01:14:06or someone human.
01:14:07The case
01:14:08This image
01:14:09has come out blurred
01:14:10And that's a product.
01:14:11low speed
01:14:12obturation
01:14:13with which it has been captured.
01:14:15Clear,
01:14:15Carmen's question is
01:14:16Was that girl really there?
01:14:18Or wasn't it there?
01:14:19I don't know what's worse.
01:14:20And may they forgive me.
01:14:21because of the girl's face
01:14:22It's frankly
01:14:24disturbing,
01:14:25disheartening.
01:14:26He's running
01:14:26towards somewhere.
01:14:27Where to?
01:14:28It is unknown.
01:14:29The last image
01:14:29It's very surprising.
01:14:31She really is
01:14:32he was at home
01:14:33quietly
01:14:34drinking a cup of coffee.
01:14:36It's Vanessa Pérez Sauquillo.
01:14:38She is an editor
01:14:39besides
01:14:40from Alfaguara Infantil.
01:14:42He sent us
01:14:42an image
01:14:43truly shocking
01:14:44that's sure
01:14:45it will remain in the retina
01:14:46of all the viewers
01:14:47for one week.
01:14:49Until we know
01:14:49what has emerged
01:14:50from the photographic analyses
01:14:52It's an eye
01:14:54perfectly marked
01:14:55that has come out
01:14:56in the coffee wells
01:14:57in a cup
01:14:59that a peaceful afternoon
01:15:00was consuming
01:15:02a spectator
01:15:03of the fourth millennium.
01:15:04Meanwhile, we
01:15:05we continue traveling
01:15:06in search of the mystery.
01:15:07We continue investigating
01:15:07amazing stories
01:15:09I'm sure
01:15:09What are they going to do to them?
01:15:10learn new things
01:15:12that usually
01:15:12They are not counted
01:15:13but that are of interest
01:15:14to the human being
01:15:15of the 21st century.
01:15:16Don't forget
01:15:16We are Fourth Millennium.
01:15:22and he tells me
01:15:22Joaquín
01:15:23Look, they're already here
01:15:24giving groceries
01:15:24and then
01:15:26I'm staying
01:15:26I pointed at myself
01:15:27where is
01:15:28I peek out
01:15:28without going up
01:15:29And saying this
01:15:30Boom!
01:15:30It catches fire
01:15:31that
01:15:32and that's it
01:15:32down
01:15:33which did a lot
01:15:34wind
01:15:34and all the sky
01:15:36full of obstacles
01:15:37over there
01:15:37which is for the sea
01:15:38It's almost my turn.
01:15:39everything at sea
01:15:42I don't know anyone
01:15:43still
01:15:43from here
01:15:44from Palomares
01:15:45I'm talking about Palomares
01:15:46or of the term
01:15:46municipal of Cuevas
01:15:47that he said
01:15:48who saw him bathing
01:15:49in Palomares
01:15:54Emily?
01:15:56Emily?
01:15:57hey
01:16:031, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
01:16:041, 2, 3, 4, 6
01:16:34Thank you.
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