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04:11Hey everybody Rich Rowley here with another installment of
04:17Now today we're gonna be talking about proper cuffing technique
04:22Excuse me officer I caught my shoulder at the gym
04:25Would you mind cuffing me in front
04:29Pretty lady like you
04:32What's the worst that could happen
04:36Thank you
04:37You're welcome
04:41Rich was a trip
04:42The life of the party
04:44At least early in his career
04:46Then as the years went on
04:48He became a little
04:50Crazy
04:51Crazy how?
04:52He was deep into conspiracy theories
04:55He had a real thing for cults and cabals
04:58To be fair Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history
05:00But Rich took it to the next level
05:03And his training videos got more and more intense
05:05Because of it
05:06We finally got around to updating the videos this last year
05:08But that caused quite a controversy
05:11With some of the older officers
05:12They said we were being insensitive
05:14Why would updating training videos be insensitive?
05:17Even three years on
05:19A lot of his friends were still mourning his death
05:21And saw the videos as a way to keep his memory alive
05:24I'm sorry, I thought Rich died six months ago
05:26Yeah, he did
05:28I'm talking about the first time
05:30Divers are searching for any signs
05:32Of retired Los Angeles police officer
05:34Richard Rowley
05:35After a sailing trip gone wrong
05:37Co-scar responded to a distress call this morning
05:40From Rowley's wife
05:41Who says the 55-year-old fell overboard
05:44After the sailboat he was captaining
05:46Was struck by a rogue wave
05:49Anytime someone disappears from a boating trip
05:51It automatically sets off alarm bells
05:53Why is that?
05:54It's just an ideal place to cover up crime
05:56Throw a body overboard, weigh it down
05:58The likelihood of us recovering it before it becomes fish food is low
06:02And the circumstances were suspicious
06:04By all accounts, Rich was a skilled sailor
06:07It was a calm day
06:08And the only witness to his demise was Darla Phillips
06:11His on-again, off-again girlfriend
06:13Who he married five days prior
06:15So you suspected foul play?
06:19Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out
06:21Why wasn't Rich wearing a light vest?
06:23He never did
06:24He was a strong swimmer
06:26He must have hit his head when he fell
06:28Why didn't you jump in after him?
06:30I'm scared of dark water
06:32Dark water?
06:33Water you can't see the bottom of
06:35Just blackness
06:37With God knows what lurking below
06:39You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension
06:42That's quite a bit of money
06:43How dare you?
06:45I just watched the love of my life die in front of me
06:50We don't know that for sure yet
06:52They haven't found his body
06:54Unless you know more
06:56That you're not telling us
06:58Go to hell
06:59This interview is over
07:01Did it ever occur to you that Rich might still be alive?
07:04As we said, we couldn't rule anything out
07:06But there was no evidence that he'd faked his death
07:09Until he turned up dead again
07:11Needless to say, we had a few more questions for Darla
07:14Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime
07:16I checked
07:17You're right, but profiting off of that death
07:19Collecting Rich's pension and his life insurance
07:22That's fraud
07:23Not to mention the resources that were wasted
07:25Trying to recover his body
07:27He could be facing some serious charges
07:29So, tell us
07:31Why did Rich want to fake his death?
07:35After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart
07:39His drinking got worse
07:41And his paranoia
07:42He was always a little intense
07:45But it started to get scary
07:47He covered all his windows with newspapers
07:50It started writing down the license plates of passing cars
07:55What was he so afraid of?
07:56He said there was this group
07:58Like a secret society
08:02Of dangerous and powerful people
08:04He'd been onto them for years
08:06And he said that they found out about him
08:08That he was in danger because of it
08:10It was too much for me
08:12So I broke up with him
08:14And then a year later
08:15He showed up on my doorstep
08:17And asked me to help him fake his death
08:21In return for his pension
08:23I needed the money
08:24So we got married
08:26And we did the deed
08:27And I never saw him again
08:29So you have no idea
08:30Why there was a coffin
08:31In his garage
08:33We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle
08:35Until the end of the first act
08:36You know, hit the audience with a twist
08:38When it's dramatically expedient
08:39Yeah, seems manipulative
08:41All good storytelling is
08:42Look, just
08:43Tell us about finding the coffin
08:45Uh, so
08:46Once I arrived
08:47And we secured the crime scene
08:49We cleared the rest of the house
08:50And then we moved on to the garage
08:56Oh
08:57Oh
08:58You don't think there's
08:59That there's a body in there?
09:00I absolutely do
09:02Okay, are we gonna open it?
09:04Because I don't want to open it
09:06What do you think?
09:07I mean
09:08It's clearly been dug up
09:09Given the state of the coffin
09:11It's clearly been underground for a few years
09:13If there is a body in there
09:15It's likely long dead
09:16Unless
09:17Unless what?
09:19Unless he put a fresh victim
09:21In an old coffin
09:25Oh, okay
09:26Got it
09:26Yeah
09:27Oh
09:29Oh, God
09:35The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver named Marcus Ford
09:40Who was the victim of an unsolved homicide back in 2020
09:43How was he killed?
09:45Uh, he was stabbed in the heart
09:47Just like Rich
09:49Wait
09:49Rich murdered Marcus Ford
09:52Did I just solve the case?
09:53No, we were able to alibi Rich out
09:57He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died
10:00Medical records say he was so weak that, uh, he could barely get out of bed
10:03Or
10:04That's what he wanted you to think
10:05Moving on
10:06Digging up a body is no easy task
10:08Why would Rich go to all that trouble?
10:09Initially, we thought it was simply the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind
10:15And in some ways it was
10:17But then we found the tattoo
10:19At first it was a little bit difficult to make out exactly what it was
10:23A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin
10:27But when we looked back at the case file
10:29There was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy
10:32That's actually kind of sick
10:33I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist
10:35I've been meaning to start the sleeve on my other arm
10:37Like, uh
10:38To my collaborator's point
10:40Lots of people have tattoos
10:41What was it about this one that jumped out at you?
10:44Well, something about it was familiar to both of us
10:48But we couldn't place it
10:49So we started asking around
10:51And the answer couldn't come from a more unlikely place
10:55I watched the Rich Rally training videos more than any person alive
11:00So I recognized the symbol immediately
11:04Sometimes citizens panic
11:05When they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones
11:08That is why we always advise the public
11:10To wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing
11:14Well, most missing person reports stem from a lapse in communication
11:17Every once in a while
11:19You'll encounter a true, workable case
11:22Officer, help!
11:23My sister is missing!
11:25When's the last time you saw her?
11:26Last night at the bar
11:27Her boyfriend said she never made it home
11:30You always want to take a report like this one?
11:33Seriously
11:34So Rich did the same symbol in his training videos
11:37That was tattooed on the body of a murder victim
11:39What did you think that meant?
11:42Uh, I don't know
11:43I can't believe I'm saying this
11:44But Smitty was right
11:46In Lesson 187
11:47The tattoo symbol was hidden in the background
11:49Although, the instructions to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person are wildly outdated
11:55Uh, anyways, it got me thinking
11:57What if Rich put messages in other videos?
12:00What kind of messages?
12:02I'm not totally sure yet
12:03I binged every single Rich training video I could get my hands on
12:06Yeah, it's been a fun few nights
12:07And I did find a few other possible leads
12:10But there's a problem
12:11The department's archive isn't complete
12:12And without all of the videos
12:14I-I can't be sure that I'm not missing a vital piece of information
12:16So what happened to the missing videos?
12:18So when the training topics and the videos become outdated
12:21Because of new laws or protocols
12:24The department has to make new ones
12:25And obviously, videos are supposed to be digitized and archived for historical record
12:31But Rich is...
12:33We're just gone
12:34Gone is then destroyed?
12:35Like a cover-up?
12:36No one's saying that
12:38Most likely, it was a human error
12:39You know, someone got lazy
12:41Didn't archive them
12:43I tried reaching out to the production company
12:45That, uh, made the videos
12:46To see if they had any copies left
12:48Bad news is
12:48They went out of business a few years back
12:51And auctioned off all their equipment
12:53What's the good news?
12:54Well, I managed to track down the auction logs
12:58And I actually know the person
12:59Who purchased the studio's old hard drives
13:02Careful, I'm very ticklish
13:04Like the Pillsbury Doughboy
13:06Same
13:06I hear it's, um, a sign of intelligence
13:09Is that a fact?
13:10Then I am smart as the dickens
13:12So, you purchased hard drives from Speak Now Studios?
13:16Yeah, Dropout was still in its infancy
13:18I was building the company from the ground up
13:20We had to be smart about how we were spending our money
13:23We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand
13:25Hard drives, cameras, wigs
13:27Wait, wait
13:28You bought secondhand wigs?
13:30Give them a little shake before we put them on
13:32That's awesome
13:33Do you still have that wig connect?
13:34Because I'd love a referral my guy is
13:37Back on track
13:38Uh, the hard drives you bought
13:40Contain police training videos
13:42Did you happen to watch any of them?
13:43Of course
13:43Rich Rowley, right?
13:45We were obsessed with those videos
13:47We probably watched them like a dozen times
13:49I'm Rich Rowley
13:50And this is Survive the Streets
13:53That's great
13:54Vic can do the best impression
13:55Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us?
13:58I totally would
14:00But I can't
14:00Because we wiped all of those hard drives
14:02To use as servers months ago
14:04Sorry, I couldn't be a more help
14:06You'll still feature this interview, right?
14:10Yeah, probably not
14:11Wait, you said you and the Dropout crew
14:13Watched the video like
14:15Dozens of times, right?
14:16Yes, sometimes on an edible
14:17Mostly sober
14:18I have an idea
14:19Okay, so then you'd be like
14:20Don't forget to check the closet
14:22You'll die
14:22So, I don't know
14:23I think it's a little bit more like
14:24Like, if you forget to check the closet
14:26Freddy, Jason
14:27And Chucky will rip off your scrud
14:29Okay, I think there's less foot stuff
14:31I feel like he's like
14:32And then your crazy met the ex-girlfriend
14:35Who's been hiding in the hallway closet
14:37Will chainsaw your face
14:38When you get home
14:38Because you forgot to clear the room
14:41Clear the room
14:41Check the room
14:43I think he was so close to pulling out a gun
14:44What are you guys doing?
14:46That's a great question
14:47They're reenacting the police training videos
14:48Since you guys wiped them off your hard drive
14:50Oh, the Rich Rally ones
14:51Those are so funny
14:52Right?
14:53I actually stole one of the hard drives
14:54So I can watch it when I'm in the tub
14:56Can you talk about your tub?
14:57A little self-care, you know
14:58Trying to relax a little more
15:00It's not working
15:00Can we have it?
15:02If you want to borrow it, I could, you know
15:03No, I think this is actually working great
15:05You could
15:06Okay
15:06I'll keep this up
15:07We're riffing
15:08Clearing the room
15:09Help us
15:09Okay, I finally finished watching all of the Rich training videos
15:12And there is a lot
15:14Take lesson 277
15:20My Azaleas
15:21A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson
15:25Was found stabbed near a ski resort
15:27You're kidding
15:28No, and in lesson 290
15:30Rich is holding a folder with a post-it note on the back
15:33With a brown star drawn on it
15:35I'm lost
15:35Right, so I looked up the cold cases to see if there were any victims with names like Star or
15:41Stella
15:41And there was one hit, Stella Brown, also found stabbed in the chest
15:46In all, Lucy found clues pointing to seven different quote cases
15:51But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims in police training videos?
15:55Based on what we could piece together, he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy
15:58A series of connected murders committed by person or persons unknown
16:02If that were the case, why not just report his suspicion?
16:05He was a cop for 30 years
16:06Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation within the department
16:11For, shall we say, magical thinking
16:13So, unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand
16:17But why did he think the murders were connected?
16:19Well, for starters, they were all stabbed in the chest
16:22But more importantly, each victim was found with a penny either in or on their person
16:26What do you mean, in?
16:27One had a penny in her stomach
16:29Another had one shoved up his nose
16:31Stella Brown lucked out
16:33Hers was just clasped in her hand
16:35And when we re-examined Marcus Ford's corpse
16:37The Emmy found one inserted into the heel of his left foot
16:41Why?
16:42Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930?
16:45Okay, well, I just got goosebumps
16:47Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed close to 50 pennies before he died
16:51Gross
16:52So, at this point, was your theory...
16:54I actually have no idea what their theory would have been
16:56Yeah, well, I-I would tell you, but we were way off the mark
16:59Which we were about to discover when we got access to his cloud account
17:05Okay
17:06I may have finally found it
17:09I am so close to getting some real answers
17:15See that?
17:27Oh my god
17:33Oh my god
17:35Oh my god, no, no
17:40A guy pretending to be dead
17:42Breaking into a secure military facility doesn't seem like the best idea
17:46No, he wasn't just breaking into any military facility
17:50It was Area 67
17:51What does that mean?
17:53That's where the government keeps the aliens
18:02So Rich broke into a secret government base on the hunt for a massive conspiracy
18:07Then stabbed himself in the chest?
18:08I mean, at that point, it's obvious what happened
18:10Is it?
18:11Come on
18:11Remember what Rich said right before he died?
18:14I can't die!
18:15It's inside of me
18:16It won't let me die!
18:18Yeah, I'm not following
18:19Rich was exposed to an alien parasite
18:22It was inside him
18:24Were you familiar with Area 67?
18:27I'd heard of it, yeah
18:29There's this AM radio station I used to listen to back in Foxburg
18:33Kept me awake when I was working late
18:35The host was obsessed with UFOs
18:38Val's Velvet Bunker?
18:39That's the one
18:40He was a little bit out there, but always entertaining
18:43Area 51 is theater
18:46Do you believe, do you really believe
18:50The most secretive military installation in the world
18:53Would let itself become a tourist attraction?
18:56No, no, no, no
18:57Area 51 is the distraction
19:00Area 67 is the real deal
19:02You know why California has all those earthquakes?
19:05It's not San Andreas fault, my friends
19:08It's the sonic resonance from Area 67's underground testing chambers
19:13Did you believe in his theories?
19:15No, no
19:16Like I said, just entertainment
19:18Let's hear from a caller
19:19Hi, name's John, long-time listener, fourth-time caller
19:22Hey, John from Foxburg, welcome back
19:25What have you got for us tonight?
19:26I swear to God, I just saw a UFO
19:31John is such a common name
19:34I'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life
19:36You are?
19:38Yeah, I mean, it's a big universe
19:39Anything could be out there
19:40I don't know
19:41People who claim to have seen aliens tend to be a little off
19:45You were friends with a corpse, right?
19:46Well, yeah, we were more than friends
19:47But fair enough, okay
19:50Legally, is it necrophilia if she only did over-the-clothes stuff?
19:53That's a great question
19:54Oh, I definitely believe
19:56In fact, I've been abducted by aliens
19:59Really?
20:01Multiple times
20:02Apparently
20:03I'm a fascinating subject
20:05I remember the last time Smitty was abducted
20:08Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas and woke up in Wisconsin
20:12Missing time
20:14One of the hallmarks of alien abductions
20:17Had been stricken
20:18Point is, the government had little gray men in their secret labs for decades
20:24What are they doing with them?
20:26They're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting hosts and taking over their bodies
20:30You just never know who might be one of them
20:35Some people in the station believed Rich dabbed himself to kill an alien parasite
20:39But I wouldn't say that was a dominant theory
20:43It wasn't long before we figured out Rich believed something darker
20:47And it was connected to the seven murders
20:49Then why did Rich break into the army base?
20:52Yes, I remember the incident
20:54Rich Rowley cut through a fence
20:56He trespassed on government property
20:58He was promptly apprehended and sent on his way
21:00Do you have any idea what Rich was looking for?
21:03Uh, as it turns out, he was looking for me
21:06But not because of any alleged aliens
21:09So why did he come?
21:12Uh, this part is, uh, is a little bit embarrassing
21:16Um, before I found my calling in the military
21:19I thought that I wanted to be an actor
21:22And, uh, I was in a few DTV movies
21:25What's DTV?
21:26You're so young
21:28Uh, direct-to-video
21:29They made all these super cheap movies back in the 80s and 90s
21:33You make them as cheaply as possible
21:34And then hope that someone was drawn in enough by the cover art to rent them
21:39A guy can't have a side gig?
21:41Totally
21:42How did you get into acting?
21:43Some director scouted me when I pulled him over
21:46Where he said I had a bitchin' bod
21:48Well, he wasn't wrong
21:50But I gave it up
21:51Because the people of this city needed a savior
21:55Yeah, you are the model of public service
21:58Right?
21:59Anyway, Rich became interested in this terrible B-movie
22:03Uh, that I was in
22:04I played a monk
22:05It was called 300 Days of Hell
22:12Terrible B-movie, that's what he called it
22:14300 Days of Hell is the scariest film of the 1990s
22:17Really?
22:18The Ring, Scream, Blair Witch Project?
22:20Which one of us executive produced a horror movie?
22:22Trust me
22:23T-H-D-O-H is true nightmare fuel
22:26It's not that scary
22:28She made me watch it at the beginning of our relationship
22:30When he was still trying to impress me
22:34You want to watch it again tonight?
22:36I would
22:38Totally
22:38I do have plans, though
22:42Yeah, I'm not watching that crap
22:44Even if it is for a case
22:45I-I see enough horror on the job
22:47That being said
22:48300 Days of Hell was our first real window
22:52Into the rabbit hole that Rich had gone down
22:54A rabbit hole filled with demons
22:55Or rather, a demon
22:58So Rich believed a demon had killed all those people?
23:00No, the killers were definitely human
23:02Killers, plural?
23:03Yeah, there was different trace DNA on all the bodies
23:06All from different subjects
23:07And none of them were in the system
23:09Meaning?
23:10The murders were committed by a group of people with shared beliefs
23:14A murder cult
23:15The cult believed a demon named Malifus had been possessing people all across the city
23:19Jumping from host to host
23:21And it was up to them to stop it
23:31The legend of Malifus is centuries old
23:34The first mention we see of him is 1433's lesser grimoire of Solomon by Slovenian inquisitor Terentius Bruma
23:43A reference text of demons and their attributes
23:47Gnarly
23:48Right?
23:49He's also known as the deceiver, the infestor, and demon of 300 days
23:55Why?
23:55Once summoned to earth, Malifus won't rest until he finds a human host
23:59After possession begins, he incubates 300 days
24:04What happens after 300 days?
24:06He reaches full strength and his power becomes uncontainable
24:11Uh-oh
24:14Um, if Malifus was summoned to earth, how would one stop him?
24:18Bruma suggests killing the host might slow Malifus down
24:21Forcing him to regenerate before he can find a new host
24:25A process that also can be slowed by the use of copper
24:30It was the pennies
24:32The pennies
24:32It all came back to the pennies
24:34Before 1984, U.S. pennies were 95% copper
24:38So the copper and the pennies was meant to bind the demon, but what about the 1930 part?
24:42Are you familiar with numerology?
24:46Some ancient peoples, and Taylor Swift, believed there was a mystical connection between letters and numbers
24:54Using the Chaldean method, the name Malifus becomes a digit 1930
24:59So you're saying...
25:00We had a theory
25:01Whoever killed those people believed the victims were possessed by Malifus
25:06They had to reach Malifus' host before he reached his true form
25:11A 1930 penny was the perfect tool
25:13Yeah, Rich's talk of, it's inside me, it won't let me die
25:17He thought he was infested by this demon, too
25:19And that's why he killed himself
25:21Wait, I thought Rich didn't believe in Malifus
25:24Isn't that why he was trying to stop the cult?
25:26Well, yes, but I mean, years of obsession and paranoia can do a number on a person's psyche
25:30I mean, it seems as though in the end, Rich could no longer distinguish fantasy from reality
25:35And you got this theory from Rich's files?
25:37Well, I mean, we actually got it from Malifus
25:39And they say watching old horror movies isn't a good use of time
25:44I never said that
25:53Are we safe, brother?
25:55Is Malifus banished?
25:57His sigil is drawn
25:58The right is spoken
26:00We have sealed his last human vessel with copper
26:11Heaven forgive us
26:12Indeed
26:15For hell will not
26:19Midnight
26:20The 300th day
26:23Our task was done none too soon
26:53Yeah, that was me
26:57Do you guys want a glass?
26:58You got anything stronger?
27:01Fine, I'll just take a glass
27:04Okay, I'll just, I'll have nothing, actually
27:06No fun for me
27:07Yeah, that was my first big movie role
27:12Well, my only one, really
27:15Rich was so excited when I told him I booked it
27:18He helped me run lines
27:19Did Rich buy into the Malifus mythology?
27:22No
27:23Weirdly, given all the conspiracies that Rich believed in
27:26He was a total atheist
27:28But I wouldn't have blamed him after everything that happened on that shoot
27:32Like what?
27:35Before production wrapped, the DP was paralyzed driving to set
27:39A stunt person had his leg amputated
27:41There were divorces, bankruptcies, careers ended
27:44One of the actors even died in his hotel room
27:48People say the production was cursed
27:51What about you?
27:52What do you believe?
27:53I believe the real curse was the director
27:57He was a reckless maniac that didn't know how to run a set
28:00Cuts! Cuts!
28:03Arthur! Arthur!
28:05Your strangulation
28:06It has to be real
28:09I want to feel the life draining from him
28:11You, you, you cannot move from your position
28:15Not even an inch
28:16Guys, this ritual is extremely specific
28:21Okay? Let's go again
28:23Okay, I thought I was choking you pretty well
28:25I'm sorry, okay?
28:26I'm going to choke you a little harder
28:27Ready?
28:27Douglas was real touchy about the religious stuff
28:30I guess he had grown up in some sort of commune
28:33And this was all based on stories he was told growing up
28:36Okay, but what I heard is that they accidentally summoned Malifus for real
28:40The director found some ancient tome
28:42And inserted the incantation and rituals verbatim
28:46Ooh, I love that
28:47And that's what got me thinking about the penny killings
28:50We found the first victim just a little under 300 days
28:53After the summoning ritual was filmed
28:55We knew Rich was aware of the Malifus legends
28:57It was only natural to link them
28:59So Rich thought that penny victims were killed
29:01By people trying to stop Malifus
29:03Was he able to identify any of these killers?
29:05We know he tried
29:08Hi
29:08Hey, how are you?
29:10Jared
29:10Hello
29:12Um, it's a pleasure to meet you, gentlemen
29:14Pleasure to meet you, too
29:16Why don't you tell us about yourselves?
29:17Yeah, we, uh, co-starred on a TV show together for 15 seasons, uh, called Supernatural
29:26Yeah, we played Sam and Dean Winchester, brothers that, uh, you know, tracked and fought supernatural beings
29:34Like K-pop demon hunters
29:35No, no, not like that
29:37Well, I mean, you're kind of like that
29:40Yeah
29:40Okay
29:41Can you tell us about your encounter with Rich Rowley?
29:43Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rich Rowley
29:45He came to a fan event we did last year, um, at MonsterCon
29:51Yeah, you know, those people show up and they just want, uh, the autograph for a photo
29:56Uh, but Rich was a different beast altogether
30:00Yeah, yeah, he was, he was super fixated on this one particular episode where we fought a demon
30:06Malifus
30:07Yeah, uh, that one
30:09Anyway, he seemed to think we, like, knew more about it than we were saying
30:15More about what?
30:17Demon hunting
30:17He kept, like, asking these super pointed questions, like, like he was, uh, testing us or something
30:24Did you have an answer?
30:26No
30:26No, I mean, we didn't, we didn't come up with these stories, you know
30:30We just did what the writers wrote
30:31It's called acting
30:32There's no actual demon hunters in real life
30:35Exactly
30:36Uh, that's not exactly true
30:38There is at least one
30:40And it actually connected to the movie
30:44We heard the director brought a priest named Father Simon McCabe to bless the set every day before filming
30:49Well, it was either that or the whole crew was going to walk
30:52Does that name mean anything to you?
30:56About 15 years ago, Lopez and I had just finished our rookie years
30:59We responded to, uh, call it a house
31:01Of a priest doing an exorcism with a 16-year-old girl
31:04It had been going on for three days
31:05Father, help!
31:09Police!
31:12Police!
31:12Help her!
31:13Please!
31:15Help her!
31:16Help her!
31:17Please!
31:18Please!
31:20Please!
31:21Get away from her!
31:24Father, forgive me
31:34Did you feel like you'd seen the devil?
31:36The only thing in that room that belonged in hell was Father Simon
31:39He kept saying he had to
31:41The whole way to the station
31:43I'm sorry I had to
31:44I'm sorry I had to
31:46Because he believed she was possessed
31:47She had a brain tumor
31:49That's what they found after the autopsy
31:51She needed a doctor, not an exorcism
31:53And he wasn't a man of God
31:55He was a killer
31:56The courts agreed
31:57So Father Simon was convicted of first-degree murder
32:00When we processed him, we found a penny in his pocket
32:03Nothing else, just a penny
32:04Didn't mean anything at the time
32:06But after Rich connected those seven murders
32:08It seemed likely he was involved
32:10Involved?
32:11Like he killed them?
32:12No, Simon was already in prison
32:14When five of the murders took place
32:15And his DNA didn't match any that was found on the corpses
32:18But he could have been part of whatever group Rich was so afraid of
32:22Which means he knew more than he had told us
32:25So we had to go back
32:28Officers, I remember you
32:30You were the ones who tried to stop the ritual
32:32I just wish we would have gotten here sooner
32:33Becca Scott might still be alive
32:35Oh, she was long gone before you arrived
32:37The demon saw to that
32:40Malifus?
32:42Do not say its name in my presence
32:44Boy, are you afraid we might accidentally summon it?
32:47You may scorn me
32:49And my beliefs
32:50But I have fought this evil
32:52I know enough to fear its power
32:54What's more evil than murdering a child?
32:56I took no pleasure in the act
32:59I'm grateful I had the courage to do what was necessary
33:01Courage?
33:02Tell us about the penny that was in your pocket
33:05In the movie 300 Days of Hell
33:07Malifus is sealed inside his host with copper
33:09Before he can be killed
33:11Banished, not killed
33:12What's the difference?
33:14The demon is a parasite
33:17It needs a host
33:19Once you kill the body that inhabits it
33:20Find a new one
33:23Becca Scott was just a single battle in a larger war
33:26If you're in here
33:28Who's doing the fighting now?
33:31The Knights of Avila
33:33Los Angeles has a long history of spiritualism
33:37Esoteric religions that go back over a hundred years
33:39So think Aleister Crowley
33:41Jack Parsons
33:42L. Ron Hubbard
33:43He freaking loves this stuff
33:44I do
33:45Anyway, a lot of these groups
33:47Started out as fraternal orders
33:49Similar to the Freemasons
33:50Where people would gather and share
33:53Men?
33:53Well, yeah
33:54Yes, and some women
33:55And they would share new ideas
33:58Explore philosophies
33:59They also liked partying
34:01Doing drugs
34:02And performing weird sex rituals
34:05Sign me up
34:07For the intellectual exchanging of ideas, obviously
34:10So the Knights of Avila is one of these groups
34:13It was
34:13Like a lot of the similar organizations of the time
34:16It fell apart when the founder died
34:17It hasn't been active in 60 years
34:20Then what was Father Simon talking about?
34:22Based on Tim and Lopez's conversation with Father Simon
34:25We began to believe that the group
34:27Or at least the name
34:29Had been revived sometime in the late 90s
34:32To the early 2000s
34:33And rebranded as some kind of demon hunting cult
34:38So Rich was actually right
34:40There was a murderous cabal after him
34:42It seemed that way
34:43And we were getting close to discovering who their ringleader was
34:50I found him
34:51Found who?
34:52Doug Roberts
34:53I want to fill a life training for him
34:55Oh, you mean the director of the sad little demon porn?
34:57Where?
34:58I was going through some old industry trades
34:59From around the time THDOH was slated to come out
35:02One of the articles mentioned that Roberts was a client of Stuart Wynecliffe
35:06At the Golden Talent Agency
35:07The guy hasn't made a movie in 26 years
35:09I doubt they still rep him
35:10Not actively, no
35:12But I called their offices
35:13And I bribed her
35:14Like, I talked one of the assistants into giving me the address
35:17Where his residual checks are sent
35:18It's downtown
35:19Let's go
35:19Uh, hold on
35:21You just want to go doorstep the guy?
35:23If that means go knock on a door while also filming, then yes
35:25Yeah, I'm not in the business of gotcha journalism
35:27What about the business of making that paper?
35:31The guap?
35:33Money, guy
35:34Come on, the doc business is oversaturated these days
35:36We need footage that P.O.P.s
35:39And what pops more than blindsiding a potential cult later?
35:43Come on
35:44What's the worst that could happen?
35:47This is it
35:48Okay
35:50Um, uh, here
35:50Here's your camera
35:52Um, I don't operate
35:53Oh
35:55Now, you do
36:01Let's go
36:03What floor is it on?
36:05Eight, but, uh, there's an elevator, don't worry
36:14Are you sure it's that way?
36:16Yep
36:17Nope
36:18You know, at the risk of being called a scaredy cat
36:22You do understand that this is inherently neither a wise nor safe activity
36:26You're asking a woman if she understands that it's inherently dangerous to go anywhere or do anything?
36:33When you put it that way, I sound like an ass
36:36Well, that's a new one
36:38Do you tell me?
36:39Maybe we should come back?
36:42Hey, hello, Douglas Roberts
36:44We're here to question you about murders and demons
36:47That should get his attention
36:49Oh
36:51I am just an intern
36:57So
36:58Clearly, we're not deceased
37:00Which means
37:01We saved you from certain deaths?
37:03I'm not sure how certain it was, right?
37:05Oh, it felt pretty certain to me
37:06Please don't kill us
37:07We will join your cult
37:08Is there a membership fee or a secret handshake?
37:11I love a secret handshake
37:12Ignore her
37:12She's not right in the head
37:13In fact, she has short-term memory issues
37:15So if you let her go now, she won't remember any of this
37:17Just shut up
37:18No one's going anywhere
37:19I mean, technically, we're all going somewhere
37:25All right, let him go
37:26Get your hands up
37:28Up against the jeep now
37:30Let's go
37:36Oh, my God
37:37Hey, yeah
37:38Thanks for trying to save me
37:40Even though I'm the one who put us in danger
37:42No problem
37:44I was about to do the same thing
37:45But you just, uh, beat me to it
37:48I can be noble, too
37:49No doubt
37:50Yeah
37:50I get very claustrophobic
37:52Can I just point out how claustrophobic I get, please?
37:54So, when did you and Douglas meet?
37:57In the movie
37:58He was, you know, so commanding and driven
38:01And everything I wasn't
38:03When did he start talking about killing the demon?
38:05It was, uh, at least a year after that
38:08He would call me, uh, late at night
38:11And talk about the demon
38:12And how scared he was for the world
38:14And eventually it started to make sense
38:17And he told you that someone was possessed?
38:20Correct
38:21Her name was Cynthia
38:22Um, she cried when I tied her up
38:25And she kept saying that she was not a demon
38:29She begged me to believe her and
38:35At that point, he was very deep in my head
38:39And then tonight, you know
38:40All the lies he was spewing at the end
38:43It was like somebody turned on a light switch
38:44I could just see him for who he was
38:48So pathetic
38:52We'll need you to write up a detailed confession
38:59I would like to make a deal
39:02Uh, we have already located your co-conspirators
39:05You don't really have anything to offer
39:09You don't want to know what an alien spaceship looks like?
39:13I am all that stands between the world
39:17And damnation
39:18So all of the people that you had targeted
39:20They had to die
39:22For the greater good
39:24Yes
39:25And my heart breaks
39:26For each of them
39:28But I will not let innocence
39:29Fall to perdition
39:31Okay
39:31Have you had your fill of BS?
39:34God, yes
39:34Okay, me too
39:35So, uh, first victim
39:39Cynthia Green
39:39You dated for two years before she cheated on you
39:42Marcus Ford
39:43He worked as a teamster on your movie
39:45Then later sued you for non-payment
39:47Pamela Jones
39:49Wrote a scathing review of your movie
39:52Really?
39:53I had no idea
39:54All seven victims were people who wronged you in some way
39:58You don't even believe in the demon
40:00You just used it as a tool to get people with weak minds
40:03To do your dirty work for you
40:07Exactly
40:08I was the director
40:09I think you'll find
40:10I never laid a finger on any of the victims
40:14And I think you will find that Manson died in prison
40:20All right, uh, anything else?
40:23No, I think we got everything
40:25Okay
40:27That was a crazy one, huh?
40:28Tell me about it
40:29And look, thanks so much for all of your time
40:31And for saving our lives
40:33Anything from my favorite documentarian?
40:35Actually the only documentarian I know
40:36Not true
40:37I'm a documentarian too
40:38Of course
40:39Yes
40:39Oh, speaking of
40:40How did this whole, uh, working together thing go?
40:44Is this the start of a beautiful friendship?
40:46I don't know
40:47I mean, we have very different styles
40:49And instincts
40:51And, well, basically everything
40:52But I'd be open to another collaboration
40:57Oh, um, it's just
40:59I, uh, I kind of signed
41:01An exclusive three-film deal with Hulu
41:04What?
41:04Yeah
41:05I, um, I sent them a sizzle reel of this project
41:07Just the me parts
41:08And, uh, they freaked
41:09Said I'm gonna be the new face of true crime
41:12Their words
41:12Wow
41:13I mean, you'd probably be able to bring him along though, right?
41:17Oh, totally
41:18Totally
41:21I gotta go
41:22But, uh, thanks again
41:24Hello?
41:25No, I said Toronto and then camp
41:29She'll probably call you
42:10Damn it
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