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Luis Alfonso Escobar, gobernador del departamento de Nariño, habló con El Espectador sobre su relación con el presidente electo Abelardo de la Espriella, el futuro de los acuerdos de paz con los Comuneros del Sur y el estado de la frontera con Ecuador.
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00:06Well, greetings to all viewers, this is Viewer Interviews.
00:10Today we are with the governor of Nariño, Luis Alfonso Escobar, elected for the period 2024-2027.
00:20This is his last year and a half in office, and he spent his first two and a half years with the president.
00:28Gustavo Petro
00:29and will be with President Abelardo de la Espriella for a year and a half.
00:33How do you think that relationship with President Espriella will be?
00:38And well, say hello to him too.
00:40Well, thank you very much, Nicolás, thank you for this interview.
00:45Well, as a democratic statesman, what one expects is that the articulation
00:52between the head of the national government and the head of the departmental government
00:57can be articulated by, of course, understanding that this government has already been in power for two and a half years
01:04with a development plan, with priorities in terms of territorial government policy and strategy
01:11which are based primarily on building territorial peace
01:16and of course the investments for the territorial development of the department of Nariño
01:23and we hope that the new government will be one with which we can reach agreements
01:29in the dialogues or in what they call territorial connections of what is being done in Nariño
01:36with data, with facts, with revelations, with impacts associated with our strategies
01:42and let's agree to continue what is working well and improve what needs improvement.
01:49And what does he expect to happen specifically in these territorial junctions that the president of Espriella has proposed?
01:56First, I believe that one of the big bets that this departmental government made with the national government
02:02It was to make them understand the investments that the national government had to make in Nariño.
02:08become almost a state policy and therefore a territorial pact
02:14so that all ministries do not invest or do not commit to investing in Nariño in a sectoral manner
02:20but territorially we made a 10-year agreement that includes 255 projects
02:28And that agreement is an investment of approximately 12.2 billion.
02:32What I would hope is that we can reach an agreement on that pact.
02:37or about another strategy that involves taking those investments into account
02:42and others that are strategic for the department of Nariño
02:47And the peacebuilding strategy in the department of Nariño is also included there.
02:53which has yielded very important results in the department
02:56which can be seen in terms of de-escalation of the conflict
02:59but above all, of all the violence in the department
03:03that make it possible for this department to be a department that can show the country
03:08not only how to advance in security matters but also in peacebuilding.
03:14The president of Espella was at the Señora de las Lajas in Ipiales a few days ago.
03:21Did he try to contact you, or did you try to contact him? Has there been any communication?
03:25No, so far I haven't had any communication with anyone from the Espella president's team
03:31I am glad that she was in the church, in the Basilica of Our Lady of Las Lajas
03:40and that I have been to this space, but undoubtedly at some other time
03:47I will wait to speak with the president-elect, Abelardo de la Espella.
03:51And why do you think this meeting between you didn't happen?
03:54Let's say, he has already met with other governors, other mayors
03:57What do you think happened?
03:59No, I don't know
04:01Well, nobody contacted me.
04:03I am fully available to engage in this informed dialogue
04:11with the new president of the Republic
04:14and of course with his vice president
04:16What I appreciate is that he is an academic.
04:19who was a university professor
04:21Rector of the Sergio Arboleda University
04:26And I, as an academic, am well...
04:28I am also a professor at the University of Valle
04:31for more than 26 years
04:32and I was the university's planning director
04:35That's where I had a chance to meet him
04:38And I believe that as academics
04:39We have a chance to understand each other
04:42in terms of what it means
04:44government administration and management
04:47in the department of Nariño
04:48Well, and in response to this narrative that has been used in recent days
04:52of the gun vote in departments like Nariño
04:57What do you think about that?
04:59Well, I think it's an argument without information.
05:06and that ends up re-victimizing populations
05:10that in those territories that are marked
05:15in the greatest social inequality
05:17that exists in the country
05:20Well, statements like that
05:22not only curtail and limit
05:26the possibility of democratic expression of the people
05:29but they do not understand the realities of the territory
05:32I'll give you an example
05:34For example, Magui Payán
05:36in the department of Nariño
05:38almost 95% voted
05:40TRUE?
05:41But there were votes for the other candidate.
05:44So I've always said
05:45that people don't understand
05:47that there in Magui Payán
05:50They are building an airport
05:51in Magui Payán it is being done
05:53Magui Payán's hospital
05:58after more than 15 years
05:59that project was buried
06:01The aqueduct is yet to be built
06:0410 kilometers of tracks
06:06that connect Barbacoa with Magui
06:08in a territory where they used to linger
06:10about 10 hours
06:12to cross 15 kilometers of tracks
06:14And today they're doing it in an hour.
06:17The bridge over the Tenemí River is going to be built
06:19that connects Barbacoa with Magui
06:21but also
06:21To sum it all up
06:23arrives at the University of Nariño
06:25after 121 years
06:27that territory
06:27and the children
06:28of that territory
06:30They are studying today
06:31there at the university
06:32so
06:33those realities
06:34because they're probably carrying
06:36to the people
06:36to recognize
06:37which indeed
06:38along that line
06:40ideological
06:41They probably made their decision
06:43But that's not related.
06:44with the shape
06:46as they are
06:48highlighting
06:48and revictimizing
06:50but let's say
06:51the president
06:52from the wait
06:53and the president-elect
06:54at the time
06:55at a campaign closing
06:57in Buga
06:57He had a serious crash.
06:58with you
06:59and it
07:00well
07:00he categorized it
07:01of certain words
07:02which I'm not going to mention
07:03at the moment
07:03How do you see that?
07:06and how do you think you can
07:06affect your relationship
07:07with the
07:08in these past year and a half?
07:09First
07:10I am like
07:11like the Lord Jesus Christ
07:13they give me
07:15a
07:16slap
07:17on the cheek
07:18and I'll put the other one in.
07:19and almost depending
07:21whose
07:22that guy does
07:24of
07:25that guy
07:26of shares
07:27what one would expect
07:28the thing is
07:29with arguments
07:30and with dialogues
07:31can hear me
07:32and know
07:33if it can have
07:34himself
07:35the same criterion
07:37once I heard myself
07:38That's how we do it
07:39the academics
07:40the academics
07:40we talked
07:41the academics
07:42talk later
07:43And I hope
07:44that I haven't done
07:45none
07:45asseveration
07:47in the face of that
07:48to that
07:50assassination
07:50that did
07:51of me
07:51he
07:52the Lord
07:53president-elect
07:54because I
07:55wait
07:56that there are paths
07:57for dialogue
07:59and not to radicalize
08:00or generate
08:01a confrontation
08:04open
08:04I am not
08:05in politics
08:06What I am
08:07It's about governing.
08:08and I hope that
08:09the new president
08:10of the republic
08:11have
08:12that same attitude
08:14of governing
08:14and be able to understand each other
08:15like the governor
08:16of the department
08:17from Nari
08:17but and front
08:18to the new government
08:19how it progresses
08:20the topic
08:21from the border
08:22with Ecuador
08:23and that he believes it will change
08:24with the new administration
08:26Look
08:27There was a story there.
08:28that I believe
08:30that it wasn't
08:30TRUE
08:31and it's the level
08:32of violence
08:33of the violence
08:33in the area
08:34border
08:34Look at you
08:35Nariño
08:36has a level
08:37of violence
08:38lower than
08:39of the average
08:40national
08:41which is 26 murders
08:42for each
08:43100,000 inhabitants
08:44Nariño
08:45is 16
08:45Tumaco
08:46that was
08:48in 75 murders
08:50per 100,000 inhabitants
08:51when
08:51the government began
08:53this government
08:54from President Petro
08:55and began
08:56mine
08:56and we managed to bring it down
08:5814 murders
09:00per 100,000 inhabitants
09:01towards the other side
09:03in Ecuador
09:03There are levels
09:05of violence
09:05associates
09:06to drug trafficking
09:09and to trade
09:10because it is the port
09:11exit
09:12Today's drug issue
09:13where
09:15practically
09:17the levels
09:18of violence
09:18They are almost
09:19in 1984
09:2085 murders
09:21per 100,000 inhabitants
09:22and the 6 cities
09:24more violent
09:25the 10 cities
09:27more violent
09:27of the world
09:286 are in Ecuador
09:29and those 6
09:31They are on the edge
09:31with Peru
09:32So I think that
09:35that story
09:36that occurred
09:36in the elections
09:38because it generated
09:39a cost
09:39to the department
09:40from Nariño
09:40very high
09:41because
09:41a was made
09:43confrontation
09:43commercial
09:44via
09:45tariff
09:46that affected
09:47a lot
09:48to the department
09:48from Nariño
09:49I appreciate it
09:49well then
09:50Thank God
09:52That's it.
09:53has gone down
09:54and they have to return
09:56the channels
09:56trade
09:57normal
09:58because today
09:59For example
09:59in the department
10:00from Nariño
10:01Thanks to both of you
10:03peace processes
10:03that have occurred
10:04in the department
10:05from Nariño
10:05that are far apart
10:07of failure
10:08of peace
10:09territorial
10:10as mentioned
10:11in the country
10:11because that policy
10:13territorial peace
10:14which has been applied
10:16across the country
10:17in the department
10:18from Nariño
10:19has hosted
10:20a strategy
10:21of that policy
10:22What is peace?
10:23territorial
10:23as it is
10:24in article 8
10:25of the law
10:26of total peace
10:27and has shown
10:27some results
10:28Nicholas
10:29some results
10:30which are
10:32a clear example
10:34of what it can be
10:35a strategy
10:35security
10:36and territorial peace
10:38in the country
10:40which shows
10:41the results
10:42of the department
10:43from Nariño
10:43Well
10:44and facing the
10:45peace processes
10:46that anticipates
10:47to the president
10:47Gustavo Petro
10:48in the department
10:50from Nariño
10:50What's the status of that?
10:51Well, the most important thing
10:52the thing is
10:53were developed
10:55from 2024
10:56when we
10:57we entered government
10:58two peace processes
11:01one with community members
11:02south
11:02who disassociated himself
11:04of the ELN
11:06and from COSE
11:07and the other
11:08with the coordinator
11:09national
11:09Bolivarian army
11:10who disassociated himself
11:12of the second
11:13Marquetalia
11:13and progress has been made
11:15in a de-escalation
11:16of the conflict
11:17on a basis
11:18And that's because
11:19here
11:20it is part
11:21from the beginning
11:21to keep talking
11:22negotiating
11:23and implementing
11:23because unlike
11:25of the dialogue
11:25with the FARC
11:26where nothing
11:27it was negotiated
11:28until everything
11:28was negotiated
11:30in that process
11:31with the FARC
11:32They didn't arrive
11:33the transformations
11:33to the territory
11:34and the war
11:36it was recycled
11:37in the territories
11:38and the armed actors
11:39Well, that's it.
11:41They have no competition
11:42to the State
11:42they want to arrive
11:43to compete
11:44by the government
11:45in the State
11:46what they do
11:47in the territories
11:48is to go for
11:49its positioning
11:51that is linked
11:52many times
11:52to the rents
11:53illegal
11:54in the territories
11:55in that sense
11:55I think that
11:56peace
11:57in the department
11:58from Nariño
11:58it was proposed
11:59from the point
12:00from a view
12:00to dialogue
12:02implement
12:02negotiate
12:03implement
12:04and the transformations
12:05They're coming
12:06they are given
12:07in the department
12:07from Nariño
12:08to such an extent
12:09about what
12:10that de-escalation
12:11of the conflict
12:12it looks
12:12in a reduction
12:14of more than 96%
12:16from the lockdown
12:17of the displacement
12:20no-recruitment rules
12:23of boys and girls
12:24search for missing persons
12:25humanitarian demining
12:27more than 15,000 tons
12:29of destroyed weaponry
12:31and today they are
12:31practically
12:32defined
12:33three zones
12:34temporary location
12:35one in Putumayo
12:36which already has
12:3799 people
12:39that they left
12:40the weapons
12:41over there
12:41and two zones
12:42temporary location
12:43one in Nariño
12:44in Mayama
12:45for southern community members
12:46and another
12:47in the National Coordinator
12:48Bolivarian Army
12:49that progress is impossible
12:51beyond
12:51because there is no framework
12:52legal
12:53legal
12:54real
12:54for that transit
12:56of the combatants
12:56to civilian life
12:57but
12:57what we can
12:59to show is that
13:00the de-escalation
13:01of the conflict
13:02has led to
13:02territories such as
13:03Tumaco
13:04For example
13:04have gone down
13:06violence
13:06of 75 murders
13:08per 100,000 inhabitants
13:0914
13:10I'll give you an example
13:12when they occurred
13:12carnivals
13:13from Barranquilla
13:15and Tumaco
13:15Meanwhile in Barranquilla
13:16There were 25 murders
13:18at the carnivals
13:19in February
13:20in Tumaco
13:20There was no
13:21a murder
13:22And that's why
13:23today tourism
13:24in Tumaco
13:25that I invite
13:25to go to Tumaco
13:27really
13:27tourism
13:28in Tumaco
13:29you go
13:29and you can't find
13:30a room
13:31You have to ask for it
13:32well in advance
13:33That is peace.
13:35territorial
13:35Nicholas
13:37What's going to happen?
13:39with this peace
13:40territorial
13:40if in the next
13:43two months
13:43that he has left
13:44to the government
13:44by Gustavo Petro
13:46There is no progress.
13:47with these groups
13:48and the president
13:49elected of the ESPR
13:49He already said
13:50which will not continue
13:51a bit
13:51with some dialogue
13:53or mostly
13:53with the majority
13:54of dialogues that there are
13:55Well, I aspire
13:56that a leader
13:59understand
13:59that it must have
14:00a policy
14:01peace
14:01but also
14:03a policy
14:03security
14:04and that there is no
14:04There are none
14:06contradiction
14:07in carrying out a policy
14:08security
14:08and peace
14:09I always
14:10I explain that
14:11in the period
14:11government
14:12of two governments
14:13from former President Uribe
14:14the rate was lowered
14:15of homicides
14:16from 71 to 35
14:18structurally
14:20and in the period
14:20of the president
14:21Saints
14:22got off
14:22from 35 to 26
14:24that is to say
14:2410 points
14:25but in both
14:27recent governments
14:28Duke
14:28and Petro
14:29the rate
14:30of homicides
14:31It's at 26
14:32It hasn't gone down
14:33has not changed
14:34That means
14:35that
14:36violence
14:38not anymore
14:38It's national.
14:39violence
14:40it became regional
14:41and if
14:42violence
14:43It's regional.
14:44and the war
14:45It's regional.
14:45peace
14:46It must be
14:47territorial
14:48also
14:48or regional
14:49and so?
14:50This is the proposal
14:51what we have done
14:52in Nariño
14:52and that show
14:53that today Nariño
14:54has gone down
14:55more than 15 points
14:56violence
14:57and?
14:58Tumaco
14:59has gone down
14:59more than 61 points
15:01violence
15:02and that allows
15:04that the company
15:05private
15:05that allows
15:06that in the public sphere
15:08can be done
15:09the transformations
15:10because they cannot be done
15:11the aqueducts
15:12the sewers
15:13the roads
15:14universities
15:15in the midst of the conflict
15:17and the last governor
15:19What do you think awaits you?
15:20to Nariño
15:21this year
15:22year and a half
15:22that remains
15:23of his term?
15:25what awaits him
15:26He is a governor
15:27that has been played
15:28for peace
15:29that has been played
15:30for safety
15:31of its territory
15:32and that he's going to talk
15:34with the government
15:36national
15:37with cooperation
15:38international
15:39with all
15:40the community
15:41international
15:43to imply
15:44that in the department
15:45from Nariño
15:45There is a possibility
15:46real construction
15:48peace
15:48and transformation
15:49territorial
15:49for the country
15:50our bet
15:52It has to be
15:53a bet
15:54to do
15:54a splice
15:56territorial
15:57with the government
15:58incoming
15:59based on the information
16:01in the data
16:02in showing the impacts
16:03and that we get
16:04OK
16:04in a real way
16:05about the data
16:07and about the information
16:08because as
16:09boss
16:11of a state
16:11subnational
16:12What is Nariño?
16:13I would wait
16:14to have the best
16:15relations
16:15with the boss
16:16state
16:16national
16:17what is
16:17the current
16:20or the
16:21incoming
16:22president
16:23Abelard
16:23of the Species
16:24Well
16:24thank you so much
16:25governor
16:26And thank you very much.
16:27to all audiences
16:28of the viewer
16:29to always be connected
16:30And thank you very much.
16:34Thanks for watching the video.
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