00:02Wilson Contreras, after the game, said, I'm not exaggerating,
00:06basically the cliff notes were, everyone's out to get me, I just don't get it.
00:09He said, yesterday I got ejected for nothing, which is kind of true.
00:12He tapped his head to challenge.
00:13I thought it was a terrible ejection, by the way.
00:15That was a joke.
00:16Terrible.
00:17Now, he did tap his head to challenge at a time where you can't challenge,
00:19but please be less soft, you soft-ass umpire.
00:23Right?
00:23That was two days ago.
00:24Then yesterday, as he became the first Red Sox in the history of a team
00:27that's been around for a little while, to get ejected in two straight games,
00:31he said, I got ejected while walking back to the dugout.
00:34Yeah, you're forgetting the part where you charged the pitcher and were held back
00:38and a fight started and you threw a helmet that hit somebody.
00:42Those are all important details, too.
00:43It's like a murderer saying, I got jail time for curling my finger back towards me.
00:48Yeah, you pulled the trigger, dude.
00:49That's what you're doing.
00:49I got arrested while I was sitting in my house.
00:51Yeah, that's where they caught up to you after you had shot a few people.
00:55You know what I'm saying?
00:55Like, I don't know about that.
00:57You probably deserve to be ejected the second time.
00:59But he was, you know, playing the victim.
01:01Now, there is a conversation to be had about Cade Cavalli's role, I suppose,
01:06and we're trying to have that as part of a larger discussion.
01:09I guess, to sum things up for me, I'll give my take.
01:12You give yours, and then we'll hit the phones.
01:13800-636-1067.
01:16You can't cartwheel down first base line after the homer
01:20and then bump into the pitcher and do all the stuff you did with his reputation
01:24and then absolutely lose your mind when you get chirped.
01:29I think where most of us can agree is if we're going to move the line on celebrating
01:33and being over the top and how you react after home runs,
01:37if you're going to give it, you better be able to take it.
01:39When a pitcher yells at you, it can't be worse than when you yell at them
01:43like he did to Warren when the bench is clear just a couple of days earlier
01:46and he got upset because a couple of balls were inside.
01:49Now, the immediate reaction to that is it's not a chirp if it's,
01:54I'm going to use air quotes here for the conversation,
01:57a slur or a Rachel Epithet or what have you.
02:00And to that, my opinion has been it wasn't that.
02:05That wasn't the context.
02:08Should Cade Cavalli use a different word moving forward?
02:11Sounds like it.
02:12Sounds like he's going to.
02:14I guess you cannot call any one boy who is not a white player.
02:20Fine.
02:20Call him a B.
02:22Call him an A.
02:22Call him a D.
02:23Use a different word.
02:25Yeah, curse apparently is the prescription.
02:26I guess it's better to call him an MF-er.
02:28Fine.
02:28I can get on board with that.
02:30But if we're playing baseball, we always play ball out here.
02:33You don't.
02:33You don't play with us.
02:34But we play ball right out here in the bullpen in this little area we have
02:37in this place of business because it's a weird place.
02:39It's a workplace.
02:40And I'd punch Strober's ticket.
02:43I promise you I've yelled at him.
02:45Sit down, boy, or get out of here, dude, or whatever.
02:48If me and Strobes and me and Daris and me and Toby are just running through it
02:52and I'm just chirping people as I'm, you know, punching their card in an
02:56athletic moment in this, like, mano-a-mano moment, this is not bigger than
03:02that.
03:02This is not me.
03:04You know, if I say it to Strober, it's one thing.
03:07But if I say it to Daris, it's different.
03:08That wouldn't be it.
03:10I mean, can't you see that happening?
03:12If, like, we're out here and I punch you out and, like, I'm like, go sit down.
03:16Like, have you ever played pick-up basketball or pick-up baseball and, like,
03:20yelled something like that at a buddy?
03:21It's definitely demeaning as it's meant to be in a sports-athletic, I-just-sunge-you
03:26way, right?
03:27I do it on video games every night.
03:30I'm out here on playing Call of Duty or whatever video game it is, and I win a
03:34matchup.
03:34I'm like, let's go.
03:35Sit down, boy.
03:36Now, I asked you, just for perspective's sake, and Anthony was in here, and we talked
03:41to Doc, and we had a- I thought we had a healthy conversation.
03:43Yeah.
03:44I like Powwow.
03:44You're not as big a fan of, like, weird worldly conversations?
03:47I like the discomfort of trying to, like, grow in those spaces.
03:50Get to the bottom of it, sure.
03:51Right?
03:51So, I was asking the question, is it as simple as, Cade Cavalli is white, and he
03:57cannot say boy because of the history of that term?
04:00Is it that simple?
04:01And maybe that is the conversation we need to have.
04:04But I watched that game last night, and what I saw was two dudes competing on a
04:09baseball field, and a dude telling him, get your ass out of here.
04:12That's what I saw.
04:14Yeah.
04:14It's, you have to be able to separate the context, and separate that this was a
04:20competitive situation, as opposed to, let's say, you know, an example I kind of
04:26gave earlier was, I'm walking down the street, you know, in some neighborhood, and
04:30a person of a different skin color says-
04:32White.
04:33You could say white.
04:33Sure.
04:33You could say white.
04:34Yes.
04:34You're allowed to do that.
04:35Says, you better get on, boy.
04:38Completely different context-
04:39Precisely.
04:39From what happened last night on the mound with Cade Cavalli and Wilson
04:42Contreras.
04:43But it's being treated like it's the same exact thing, which seems strange to me.
04:49But let's hit the phones.
04:51Josh is in Upper Marlboro.
04:52What's up, Josh?
04:52How are you?
04:54Hey, fellas.
04:54I might differ a little bit on this one.
04:56I hear where you're coming from, and Contreras is definitely a little bit of a jerk.
05:00But I liken it to my 10-year-old.
05:03My 6-year-old son trolls my 10-year-old non-stop a lot stronger.
05:09And it's almost all the 6-year-old's fault.
05:13But if the 10-year-old hauls off and punches him in the chest and knocks his wind out, which
05:18has happened before, you still can't do that.
05:21Right?
05:21So it doesn't matter how trolly you are, how inappropriate you are, and how consistently
05:25you are inappropriate.
05:26There's still some lines you can't cross.
05:29Cade Cavalli is from Bixby, Oklahoma.
05:31I grew up in the South.
05:33You just don't say that to a person of another.
05:37And even, and I will call you guys out slightly, even, you know, there's all of you guys.
05:41Every time you say, oh, I was on the basketball court and I said something, something, something,
05:44boy, the boy rings weird.
05:46I don't feel like you guys actually say that.
05:48I don't, I'm a king trash talker.
05:50I say a lot of stuff.
05:52But I don't usually say boy.
05:53But it's just like, it's not, it's not nearly as bad as other things you could say.
05:57I think it's an age thing.
05:59Seriously.
06:00Like, you and me are in the same age demographic.
06:02Like, Brandon Ayoub says it every fourth word.
06:04I'm not saying that that's like, for younger folks.
06:07Brandon Ayoub last week had the video where he was calling, I don't know if it was Lynch
06:10or Shanahan, Lil' Bitch Boy or whatever.
06:12Lil' Ass Boy.
06:13I'm asking this, Lil' Ass Boy, that's what it was.
06:16Maybe so.
06:16I'm asking this question.
06:18Josh.
06:19The bro generation.
06:20I want your, I'm going to ask a very serious question.
06:23You call in a lot.
06:24I respect your opinion.
06:26You were getting at something there.
06:28Is it as simple as, he is a white guy from Oklahoma.
06:31He cannot say that to a minority.
06:33Is it that simple?
06:34And it's not only that he can't say it, but he knows the cultural context.
06:37He grew up in the cultural context.
06:40There's something in the back of his mind.
06:41And I love Keith Cavalli.
06:42I think he's awesome.
06:43I'm so glad we have him.
06:44He had an awesome night last night.
06:45But like, he knows that that is a step over a line.
06:50It's not as big as other words.
06:51So, but later in the game, there's supposedly a video I'm trying to find where he says the
06:55same thing to Jaron Duran, who's white.
06:57Does that change anything?
07:00No.
07:01I mean, it buttresses the case that maybe this is something that's part of his lexicon.
07:05But he still knows.
07:07He still knows you can't do that, right?
07:09And it's just like my six-year-old and my 10-year-old.
07:11My 10-year-old knows the six-year-old was being a jerk, but you still just can't do that.
07:16You still can't swing on him.
07:16And so you're saying, who's who in that analogy?
07:21Sorry.
07:22Who's?
07:22So, I'm sorry.
07:23Contreras is the six-year-old.
07:25Cavalli's the 10-year-old.
07:27Contreras is clearly at fault repeatedly over time.
07:30But that doesn't mean that it's not possible for the more responsible party, the more reasonable
07:35party to still cross the line.
07:37If he would have said, sit down, bleep.
07:40In effort, that's fine.
07:42And by the way, I also just slightly disagree with my friend, Dan.
07:45I want more emotion than baseball.
07:47I love fights and hearts.
07:48I don't mind them in baseball.
07:49My favorite player of all time is Bob Gibson, who literally should have had a felony based
07:53on what he did on the mound.
07:54Like, he, like, he.
07:55Watch your lips.
07:56Yeah.
07:57So, go right at you.
07:58So, just don't say boy.
08:01That's where you got to draw the line.
08:03I love everything about enthusiasm.
08:06I don't mind backflips, but I also don't mind if a pitcher gets pissed off at the backflip
08:10and then throws at you.
08:11I love all that stuff.
08:12I want more of that.
08:12I miss that stuff.
08:14I think baseball is too milquetoast now.
08:16But you can't be a white dude saying boy.
08:18Yes.
08:19Yeah.
08:19And so, but last question for you.
08:22The context that Darius and I were just talking about of the white dude as he walks by saying,
08:27get on, boy, versus two dudes on a baseball field competing, chirping, talking, whatever
08:32it is, it doesn't matter to you.
08:34The context is the context.
08:36No, there's a scale.
08:38It's not completely binary.
08:39It's not nearly as bad as, like, remember the Titans and, you know, freaking, you know,
08:43time to kill or whatever you have.
08:45But, like, it still is, it stands out.
08:49He's given people a reason to question his motives.
08:53And there's no reason to do that when you could easily say in effort or be sure or whatever.
08:58Well, look, he could have been solely standing clearly without any kind of pushback had he
09:04not have said boy, obviously.
09:06As I said, if he would have said sit down, mother bleeper, we're not having this discussion.
09:12It's just about what a wild card Wilson Contreras is.
09:15And it's not a national story, probably.
09:17Shane in Fairfax, what's up?
09:19What's up, Commander?
09:21What's up, Lieutenant?
09:22Hey, buddy.
09:23How are you boys doing today?
09:23Good, man.
09:24This is a great topic, and that's what's wrong with our society today is where we can't even
09:29compete on a diamond or basketball or football and take it added to a racist comment, right?
09:37Absolutely he did not mean to say anything like that in a racist comment.
09:40I say it with my buddies all the time, and they call it before, that's absolutely wrong.
09:44I'm from the South.
09:45I am from the South.
09:46You can't get no from the South where I'm from.
09:48And all my friends are black.
09:49I was just with my buddies last week golfing.
09:52And the first thing I did is when he hit a slice, I called him out, and that's the
09:55first thing I said.
09:56I said, that's a horrible slice, my man.
09:57My boy, that's horrible.
09:58But did he take it in that way?
10:00No.
10:01It's our society because we're too soft.
10:04And the problem is the media, too, blowing it out of proportion.
10:07It's the media taking something out of content and blowing it up to something way bigger than
10:13it is.
10:14And absolutely not.
10:15This is what's wrong when we can't even compete as young men and men in any sport when it's
10:22got to be turned into something racial.
10:24Appreciate you.
10:24I mean, look, the media got a hold of it after, but Contreras was obviously bothered in the
10:28moment.
10:29Last night, the bench is cleared, and there was a lot going on.
10:32I want to hear what Cavalli said today, because yesterday he spoke after the game, and I don't
10:36know if it wasn't on his radar yet that he was basically being called a racist and people
10:39were calling for his suspension, which I thought was outrageous.
10:42You know, he should be banned, tagging baseball, saying, kick this guy out of your sport, whatever
10:46else was being suggested.
10:48But it was a very different tone from him today, I think, when he got wind of what was
10:51being said about him.
10:52He seemed very much bothered by the perception of him and what he'd said.
10:59So you'll hear from him next right here on the.
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