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We are #live The Parrot in Hull, MA for Road Show No. 7! Head Coach of Boston College football Bill O'Brien joins!
SCHEIM the OC?! Bill O'Brien lets Scheim cook up a new play!
Trips left, 'George Jetson', jet motion, play action, and a wheel route. Will it work?
Reminiscent of Randy Moss?? How much better will the Patriots offense be this season with A.J. Brown? What can we expect from Maye and A.J. Brown
SCHEIM the OC?! Bill O'Brien lets Scheim cook up a new play!
Trips left, 'George Jetson', jet motion, play action, and a wheel route. Will it work?
Reminiscent of Randy Moss?? How much better will the Patriots offense be this season with A.J. Brown? What can we expect from Maye and A.J. Brown
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00:00In Hull on Nantasket Beach, and there was a time I wondered if our next guest would ever be back
00:09on our show again.
00:10And I, over and over again, I said, what did I do to offend Bill O'Brien?
00:17And here he is. Can we have a round of applause for the great Bill O'Brien?
00:21Thank you. Morning, guys. How we doing?
00:23We're glad to have you back.
00:24Oh, you did nothing to offend me.
00:26All right.
00:27We just took a little break. That's all.
00:29All right. Good, good.
00:29No, it's great to be back on.
00:31You guys are the best.
00:31Well, it's awesome to see you bright and early here, and I'm sure you're excited about the season.
00:35We are. We are.
00:38We've got a brand new team.
00:39We've got about 50 new players with, you know, the portal guys and then freshmen coming in, and we've had
00:44a really good offseason.
00:46Winter was good.
00:47Spring practice was really productive, and these guys are – they've been here for about five weeks in summer training,
00:53and they take a little break for the 4th and come back end of July, and we get going August
00:581st.
00:58And I saw – I think I saw BC did a deal with meatball in a cup, and you got
01:03an extra 50 grand to spend on burgers.
01:07Is that accurate?
01:08I don't know.
01:09That's a way of – they tell me how I can spend the money.
01:12So, I don't know.
01:13Meatball in a cup, though.
01:14We talked about this a long time ago.
01:15Yes, we did.
01:16Well, as you can tell, I'm all about meatballs in a cup of questions.
01:20Same.
01:21I wanted to ask – we talked a lot about Nick Saban testifying in front of Congress.
01:28Where are you currently on the money in college sports, and whether it's a great thing,
01:36whether there are going to be issues going forward?
01:38Like, how do you feel about it, especially football?
01:40Yeah, it's a very complicated question.
01:42I do think that it is a good thing that players are compensated now.
01:47I think – I don't want to be too long-winded here.
01:49I think if you go back and you think about name, image, and likeness, it was really meant for Doug
01:53Flutie.
01:54It was meant for Bo Jackson.
01:56It was meant for the guys that were actually the faces of the program that brought Matt Ryan,
02:02that brought the money into selling the jerseys and all that.
02:05But at the end of the day, because of the TV money and all the things that came in,
02:10the players should be compensated.
02:11But now, there's no rules.
02:13And so, every market – every team has its own market.
02:17It's not like the NFL where we have 32 teams under the same salary cap rules.
02:20And so, every – there are 120 teams.
02:23There's 120 markets.
02:24The Boston College market is a whole lot different than the Miami market,
02:27which is different than the Wake Forest market.
02:29That's different than the Duke market.
02:30And we each have to determine what our market is.
02:33And so, we have to really learn what's important to us as a program.
02:38But, yeah, they should be compensated to some degree.
02:41But there has to be some type of – whether it's a collective bargaining agreement
02:46or antitrust law, whatever it is, there has to be some type of system put into place
02:51at some point in time.
02:52Almost like a salary cap.
02:53Right.
02:54It has to be.
02:54I mean, I don't think – BC is probably not going to be happy with me saying this
02:58because we don't want them to be known as employees at Boston College.
03:01Right.
03:01But, you know, they're getting compensated.
03:03And so, you know, there has to be some rules.
03:05I'm assuming that you can't compete money-wise with an Alabama or a Michigan.
03:12So, do you ever look at it and go, it's really – it's hard for us to –
03:16it's going to be harder and harder for us to be competitive?
03:20Yeah, we don't – another great question.
03:22We don't really try to compete with them.
03:24What we try to do is say, okay, who is the type of guy that can really fit
03:29what Boston College is all about?
03:30It has to be a talented football player, quite obviously, but comes from a family
03:34that understands, like, hey, you know, if I go to Boston College,
03:37yeah, I can make a little bit of money, but I can get a world-renowned degree
03:41at a school that really preaches and walks the walk of, you know,
03:45giving back to others, teach, and really trying to develop the whole person.
03:49That's what Boston College is all about.
03:51So, we don't – if a guy comes into my office and says, okay, coach,
03:54how much are you going to pay me?
03:55That's probably not the guy for us.
03:56Yeah.
03:57You know what I mean?
03:57That's really not the guy for us.
03:58I think we have to do a great job of finding those guys that understand, hey, yeah,
04:03I can make a paycheck, but also I got this degree in my back pocket for the rest
04:07of my life.
04:07Yeah, and I feel like when people listen to the show,
04:09they really hear me exude men and women for others.
04:12Yeah, 100%.
04:13No doubt.
04:14100%.
04:14Bill, I think it – like, are you kind of maybe excited because of what Indiana
04:21was able to do, right?
04:22Indiana is not – they're not the Alabamas.
04:24They're not the Michigan.
04:25They don't maybe have the same amount of money to spend,
04:28but what they were able to do down there and what – they were able to put that
04:33team together, like you said, through the portal with a lot of guys from James
04:36Madison and win a national championship.
04:38So does it give you, like, as a coach for a team that says, all right,
04:43if you buy into the culture and we do what we're supposed to do on the field,
04:47we might not have to spend like everybody else, but we can win a national championship.
04:52No doubt.
04:53There's definitely somewhat of a level playing field now, right, where Indiana –
04:58you know, when I was in the Big Ten or even when I was – you know,
05:02I've been coaching now 35 years, Indiana was never any good.
05:05And then all of a sudden, you know, Coach Cignetti goes in there and,
05:08as you just said, just flips it.
05:10But even look at, like, Duke.
05:11Duke won the ACC championship last year.
05:14And so, like, it can be done.
05:16You have to do a great job of evaluating talent, bringing in the right guys
05:20that fit your program, that fit your school.
05:22And I believe we're on the right track with that.
05:25You know, ours won't happen overnight, kind of like Indiana's did,
05:27because they do have some really good resources now that they gave Coach
05:31when he got there.
05:32But, you know, it can happen, there's no doubt,
05:34because the playing field is a little bit even.
05:36Billy, my question is really simply about how your job has changed in that –
05:41so you said you have 50 guys here that are new.
05:43Yep.
05:43So there's really no baseline that you can build off of.
05:48How does that impact the way in which you approach camp?
05:51How does it impact how quickly you're able to improve season to season?
05:55And how much extra stress is on your staff to really understand the guys
05:59in a quick way to get to work on weaknesses that you didn't really know existed?
06:03This is a big part of what we – we don't want to have 50 new players
06:06every year at Boston College.
06:07This is something we had to do this year based on who we lost,
06:10based on new resources that BC – BC made a bigger commitment to football in January,
06:15so we were able to go out and get some guys.
06:19We don't want to do this every year, though.
06:20We want to bring – we want to be a high school recruiting team.
06:24Let's just say 75% of the roster comes from high school recruiting,
06:2725% comes from the portal eventually, right?
06:29Because we want to develop guys.
06:31We want them to stay at BC for four years, get their degree,
06:33and help them improve as people, as players.
06:36If they want to play in the NFL, we have an idea of how to help them get to that.
06:40But we don't want to do this every year.
06:42So we really talk to our guys right now about what we're all about,
06:48taking pride in playing for Boston College, representing BC, what BC is all about.
06:53We talk about our values of relentless pursuit of what we call
06:58relentless pursuit of excellence.
06:59We're never going to – we may never get there,
07:02but we're going to pursue that every single day, toughness.
07:04We're going to be known as a tough football team.
07:06We just keep trying to really emphasize the core values of what we're all about every day,
07:12and hopefully we connect with these kids.
07:14I'm doing a thing called Team of Teams where I broke the team up into 10 different teams,
07:19offense, defense, crossover, guys that might not know each other.
07:21Let's come together.
07:22Let's connect as a team.
07:24Maybe that helps us retain players.
07:26Last year we lost 31 players.
07:28We get poached.
07:29So, like, our best players, our start in safety is at Miami now.
07:34You know, our start in receiver from last year is at Arizona State now.
07:39Our start in running back is at Indiana now.
07:41So we replace them with very good players, though.
07:44We feel really good about how we replace them, but we don't want to do that every year.
07:48We want to really work hard to retain guys, and we're doing – I think we're doing a really good
07:53job of that,
07:54of connecting with the kids, and I think that's a big deal.
07:55One of the stories lately that's been catching my attention is the Brendan Soresby situation.
08:01I'm kind of curious your thoughts on, you know, the NFL denying him entry into the supplemental draft,
08:07kind of his whole battle alongside Texas Tech trying to play, trying to get his eligibility,
08:12and if you really think that, like, gambling is kind of becoming a problem for a lot of these guys
08:16in college sports.
08:17Yeah, so Soresby, I haven't really studied it closely, but, you know,
08:21the supplemental draft doesn't happen every year, right?
08:24The last time it happened, I think it was 19 maybe or something.
08:26So it happens for guys that, you know, maybe they did get into a little bit of trouble
08:32or whatever might have happened.
08:34Failed academically.
08:34Failed academically.
08:35You know, something that happened, maybe got DUI, whatever, right?
08:38And they came back from that.
08:40Not 9,000 bets on games.
08:42Yeah.
08:43I mean, the guy bet 9,000 bets.
08:44I mean, the guy's got a problem.
08:4540 times on his own team.
08:46That doesn't mean he'll never play with him.
08:4790,000 dollars, right?
08:49Yeah, 90,000 dollars.
08:5090,000 dollars.
08:51On his own team.
08:5340 times he bet on his own team.
08:55Yeah, I don't think the NFL's not ready for that.
08:58But I do think the kid, maybe if he shows rehab over the, you know,
09:02a course of time, maybe he'll have a shot to get in there.
09:04Because he's a good player.
09:04He's a good player.
09:05The gambling aspect, Shyam, is very – it's prevalent.
09:09I mean, we talk to our guys probably once a month.
09:12We bring in somebody – watch that sign.
09:14And we bring in somebody that, you know, an expert on, you know,
09:19gambling or maybe somebody that served time for different crimes
09:23and things like that.
09:24We bring people in to talk to our team about that.
09:27It is a big deal.
09:28You know, right on your phone you can –
09:29It's so easy.
09:30It's so easy to do it.
09:32He just placed a bet during this interview.
09:35I did a little bit of time in the Clinton jail in high school.
09:38If you want me to come in, I could –
09:39Oh, I'm sure you guys –
09:40I could come in and talk to the fellas if you want.
09:42A little scared straight.
09:45I actually think if we brought the four of you guys in,
09:47it would be pretty cool.
09:48Well, Shyam wants to –
09:50Shyam wants to do a clinic.
09:51He wants to – he has designed to play.
09:54Yeah, he is.
09:54Am I right?
09:55I'm now a championship-winning baseball coach.
09:57I have credits now.
09:59How long do we have with you?
10:01As long as you want.
10:02Can you hang for five minutes?
10:03I still get a physical at 9 a.m.
10:06That sounds like a blast.
10:07It's my first physical in three years.
10:09My wife's making me do it.
10:11They're going to – the guy's going to say,
10:13can you – how many drinks do you have a week?
10:15Exactly.
10:15I don't know, two or three.
10:17Do you smoke?
10:18Do you smoke?
10:19You know, you're going to stop eating pizza.
10:21And you lie.
10:21No.
10:22Stop eating pizza.
10:23Five drinks a week, that's it.
10:25When really it might be ten.
10:26When the guy goes, how many drinks a week do you have?
10:28I go, how many do you have, doctor?
10:31Yeah.
10:31Yeah.
10:32He goes, yeah.
10:33I mean, look at you.
10:34Same amount as you.
10:35You don't look that great.
10:37All right.
10:38We are with Bill O'Brien on a road show Friday at the Parrot.
10:44The toss left.
10:45On the New England Patriots, they get A.J. Brown.
10:49How much better should he make Drake May?
10:53A.J. Brown is, you know, he's probably in the latter part of his career,
11:00but he's still a top ten wide receiver in the league.
11:02And so I remember being there in 07, I was a quality control guy,
11:06and we brought in Randy Moss, and he immediately changed the team.
11:10Yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:12I remember, like, and he was at the latter part of his career, you know.
11:16Yeah.
11:16So, like, I remember the very first OTA.
11:18I remember walking out to practice, and we were, you know,
11:22it was kind of this time of the year or, you know, a couple weeks ago,
11:25whatever.
11:25And I remember Brady turning to Josh and saying,
11:28I don't care what the coverage is on this particular play.
11:31I am launching this summer pitch down the field.
11:34And he did.
11:35Yeah.
11:35And the guy, and you just watch Moss just, and we launched a 60-yard touchdown.
11:40And so my point is, like, those type of guys changed the team.
11:44You know, I can remember, like, when I wasn't there,
11:46but I know when he brought in Antonio Brown, which I know didn't end well
11:49and was only a two-week deal, but, like, that changed the team, right?
11:52They went down to Miami, and those type of guys changed the team,
11:55and Josh knows how to use them, and I'm sure they're fired up,
11:58and I know Drake May's fired up about it.
12:00Yeah.
12:00Bill, where do you stand?
12:02Because I've been – I'm all for this.
12:04The 2014 playoff.
12:07I know that the Big Ten, the ACC, the Big 12, they're kind of all on board.
12:12It's the SEC that's kind of putting their – you know,
12:15is kind of trying to stop it.
12:16Where do you stand on that?
12:17Because I feel like it just opens the door for a lot of teams to compete
12:21and have an opportunity to maybe get to a national championship
12:24that might not have had that opportunity with the 12
12:28or potentially if they go to 16 teams.
12:30No doubt you want a 2014 playoff, especially if you're us, right?
12:33Right.
12:34You know, if you go out and you catch lightning in a bottle,
12:36you have a good year, and you're in the top 24,
12:39you got a shot to be in a playoff, that's pretty cool.
12:42So I don't think there's any doubt.
12:44The SEC, they don't want more teams because they want the majority of the playoff
12:48to be their teams, you know, and it's a great – I've coached in all three conferences.
12:52I've been doing this forever.
12:54I've had a little bit of a journey, but – so SEC, Big Ten, and ACC.
12:58Look, the SEC is the best – I understand that.
13:02I really do.
13:03But, like, top to bottom, the ACC is a tough conference.
13:06When we go out – Wake Forest won nine games last year.
13:09You know, we had a bad year, but, like, our games were very close, right?
13:13You know, triple overtime, Michigan State, Cal, last possession of the game.
13:18You know, Stanford, last possession of the game.
13:20I mean, our conference is very, very difficult.
13:23And so I think it's more about how the conferences are marketed, too.
13:27You know, the SEC has a great marketing strategy, and they have really good teams.
13:32But the bottom teams in the SEC, they're not great.
13:35You know what I mean?
13:35I remember when I was at Alabama, we'd go play Mississippi State at that time.
13:39I mean, it was over at halftime.
13:40Right.
13:41I mean, like – so I think that having more teams can then give teams from other conferences an opportunity
13:48to get in there and go win.
13:50I think it's good for us, no doubt.
13:51So I'm not going to have you say anything negative about the current president of Boston College, Father Leahy,
13:57but I am so thrilled that we have a new president coming in, Reverend Butler.
14:01Jack Butler?
14:02Yes, sir.
14:02Coming in on August 1st.
14:04His administration takes over.
14:06Yes, sir.
14:06I've heard amazing things.
14:08What can you tell us about the man that will be leading the university going forward?
14:11Yeah, just a couple things.
14:13You know, Father Leahy, 30-year reign as the president of Boston College, and I do believe he did so
14:20much for BC.
14:21He raised BC into what it is today, an international, in my opinion, a top 20 school in the country.
14:28I mean, that's all – Father Leahy takes a ton of credit for that, and he should because he did
14:33an unbelievable job.
14:34Father Jack Butler is an awesome guy.
14:35He was the – he's been at Boston College for 22 years.
14:40He was the – most recently the vice president of campus ministry and mission.
14:44He really knows everybody on campus.
14:48He's connected with everybody on campus.
14:49He was the football team chaplain for 15 years from 2010 until my first year when he took a sabbatical
14:56before he's going to take over on August 1st.
14:58Loves athletics.
15:00He played football.
15:02He's just a really unbelievable human being, and, you know, I think we're lucky to have him.
15:07We're lucky to have him in the administration where you could promote him.
15:11I think that's a big key for Boston College to have someone like that, and he's going to do an
15:16awesome job.
15:17Is it true that Jordan Hudson calls her boyfriend Father Bill?
15:24How about those Red Sox?
15:28Let's go, Bob.
15:29What about Jalen Brown?
15:31I mean, what's going on?
15:32We got other things to talk about.
15:34Why am I turning red?
15:36What about Jalen Brown?
15:38You got the physical.
15:41I knew at some point it was going either to this or to something else.
15:46Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:47No, listen.
15:47We are delighted to have you back.
15:50Chime, you said Chime could design a club.
15:52No doubt.
15:53All right.
15:53He's got a piece of paper right here.
15:55Draw it up.
15:56Make sure there's 11 guys on the phone.
15:57I got it.
15:58What is – you've thought a lot about this.
16:01Yeah, well, so, yeah.
16:02I mean, we shot down the first idea.
16:04You know, play action, seam up the middle.
16:06No, we didn't shoot it down.
16:07It's been in existence.
16:08All right, Curtis.
16:10So, yeah, so I tried to cook up something.
16:11Look, my expertise is in baseball, but I wanted to really try and design something up, so I got something.
16:18Okay.
16:19I hope you're going to tell Coach about it.
16:21Yeah, so, all right.
16:22So –
16:22What personnel are we in, Sean?
16:24Trips.
16:25No, but it's the personnel.
16:26Like, is there 11 – is it 11 personnel?
16:27Well, personnel, 21.
16:2911.
16:29Like, who's out on the field?
16:31Do we have one tight end, three receivers?
16:32I mean, who's out there?
16:33So, it's 11 personnel.
16:34Okay.
16:35All right.
16:35Trips left.
16:36Okay.
16:36Trips left.
16:37Yep, Trips left.
16:37We got – I like to call it George Jetson.
16:41All right.
16:42Guy in the near slot.
16:43Jet motion.
16:43Yep, jet motion.
16:44Exactly.
16:45Love it.
16:45Already picking it up.
16:46George Jetson.
16:46Yep, George Jetson.
16:48So, jet motion, play action.
16:51He runs a wheel route up the field.
16:52So, we're faking to the back.
16:54All right.
16:54Correct.
16:54Not to him.
16:55Nope.
16:55He's just smoking it across the formation.
16:58Yep.
16:58All right.
16:58Wheel route.
16:59Correct.
16:59Right up the field.
17:00The single receiver.
17:01What's he doing?
17:01So, the –
17:03The X.
17:04That's – we got the tight.
17:05Yeah.
17:05Back side.
17:06Yeah.
17:07Trips left.
17:07Yeah.
17:08Trips left.
17:08This guy's coming over here.
17:09There's one receiver here.
17:10The goal is to win.
17:13Sean has –
17:13Wait, no.
17:14He hasn't –
17:15He hasn't –
17:17He hasn't –
17:18He hasn't figured this part out quite yet,
17:20but he has six wide receivers on the field.
17:22Right.
17:22So, just –
17:24Yeah.
17:25So, the tight end is lined up on the right side.
17:29Runs a post.
17:30Okay.
17:30So, the tight end is lined up wide.
17:32Wait a minute.
17:32It's Trips left.
17:33Okay.
17:34So, –
17:34Yes.
17:34It trips left.
17:35We got Eagle left.
17:36Yes.
17:36So, with that called Eagle left?
17:37The tight end's way up.
17:39Hey, I –
17:39The tight end's not attached to the line of scrimmage.
17:41We're using –
17:42Wiggy and I are using Patriots language now.
17:44So, we got the tight end as the X receiver.
17:46He's the single receiver.
17:47Yeah, yeah.
17:48We're running post.
17:49So, basically, clear out that right side for that wheel route.
17:51Yeah.
17:52No quarterback.
17:52Tight end is dropping back Statue of Liberty.
17:55Right.
17:55And next thing Puerto Rico.
17:56Yeah.
17:57Okay.
17:57All right.
17:58And then we got the –
17:59So, the nearside guy is in motion.
18:02The next receiver.
18:04Yeah.
18:04Which would be –
18:05Is that the F?
18:06Yeah.
18:06The slot guy.
18:07And Jones and Keefe coming up next.
18:11Yeah, right.
18:12That's the floor.
18:15The worst play ever to die.
18:16You need to post this entirely.
18:19I need to just –
18:19I need to draw it out.
18:20Oh, you got us a post in the wheel.
18:22You certainly have brought it out.
18:23It's been 10 minutes.
18:24So, F, slot guy.
18:26Yep.
18:26Yep.
18:27Running a comeback.
18:28Okay.
18:28He's running a comeback.
18:30Yeah.
18:30He's running a slot.
18:30Yeah.
18:31Slot.
18:31Okay.
18:31Okay.
18:32Those don't really exist, but we'll put that in.
18:34Hot route.
18:35That doesn't exist.
18:35So, what's the outside guy doing the Z?
18:38What's he doing?
18:38Drag.
18:39Drag.
18:39Okay.
18:40Drag's not going to do that.
18:40Come back.
18:41Drag.
18:42Yes.
18:43We got the tight end over here.
18:44He's running a post.
18:45We got a wheel route.
18:45Yeah.
18:46What's this number three receiver doing over here?
18:48Oh, no, no.
18:48He's the jet.
18:49Yeah, he's on the wheel route.
18:50And the running back says fake it.
18:51I'm confused.
18:52After the play action, he's in block.
18:54Ready break.
18:55Yeah.
18:55All right.
18:56Undefeated.
18:57Boy.
18:57No offense.
18:58That won't end in a sack.
19:00No, no, no.
19:01Come on.
19:02That sounds like one of those plays I designed in 23.
19:05It didn't work very well.
19:07It's like, George, this is like time all the time.
19:11Billy O's over there throwing his headset and screaming and yelling.
19:15Coach, I don't know.
19:16No offense.
19:17You'll get it when he does the install.
19:19Right.
19:19Yeah.
19:20Make sure you get extra time at practice.
19:21I need a whiteboard.
19:22You and I can run it through.
19:24Absolutely.
19:25All right.
19:25So, maybe give that a try.
19:27Yes, sir.
19:27Maybe spring.
19:28No doubt.
19:29We'll hold it to the off seat.
19:30Yeah.
19:31Experimental.
19:32Spring.
19:33All right.
19:33Listen, it's awesome.
19:35Good to have you guys.
19:36Awesome to have.
19:36How many, how many, well, I don't want to get you on, but what are you thinking about
19:41this season?
19:42Like, I feel good, Greg.
19:43I really do.
19:43We're a much better team.
19:46We were able to go out and get some really good players, some good guys.
19:49We're a different team.
19:51We need to go do it.
19:52I think, you know, starting out well is going to be important.
19:55You know, we have our schedule in the beginning is tough.
19:57We go to Cincinnati.
19:58We open up at Cincinnati.
19:59Then we come home here to everybody on the anniversary of 9-11.
20:05Yeah.
20:05It's Friday, September 11th in Alumni Stadium.
20:08We play Rutgers.
20:08So, that's a big, that's the red bandana game.
20:10That'll be the red bandana game.
20:11That's a big one.
20:11So, the first two games are awesome.
20:13Yeah, that's awesome.
20:14What you guys and what the school has done to honor Wells Crowther has been amazing.
20:18He graduated with my sister at BC.
20:20And that was something that sort of was this, like, small alumni of that crew sort of story that was,
20:28you know, celebrated.
20:29But the way the school has really amplified the message is really remarkable.
20:33It's a big deal for all of us.
20:35That documentary on him is extraordinary.
20:39All right, Bill O'Brien, everybody.
20:41We'll let you get to the doctor.
20:42Good luck, Bill.
20:43Good luck with your physical.
20:47Were you telling him about the play?
20:49That is Bill O'Brien.
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