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00:00Yesterday felt like, to a degree, the Giants were drawing a line in the sand
00:08and almost wanting to kind of go to battle with the media.
00:13And I'm like, oh, that's not a battle anybody's going to win.
00:19That's not good.
00:20You know what I mean?
00:22Like, I know we're the same as all of you listening out there, man.
00:27We want this to be fun.
00:28Right.
00:28This is Giants baseball.
00:31But, like, you can't escape some of this stuff.
00:36And so there's two things that happened yesterday.
00:39Buster Posey did not want to talk about the pride issue,
00:43which as the president of baseball operations, there's a piece of me that's like, I get that.
00:47But then don't put Buster Posey out there as the one to speak for the organization.
00:53Where was Larry Bear?
00:55Where was Greg Johnson?
00:57Where was, I don't know.
00:58Like, go to a different spot if needed to address that issue when it needs to be addressed,
01:07if that's not in Buster's purview.
01:11But when he just puts up a brick wall and goes, we're not talking about that, and then you end
01:15up at Rafi Devers' locker.
01:17And Rafi is like, so here's what happened, but by the way, this is all your fault.
01:22If that's the game you guys are going to play, you're walking a very, very tight rope, in my opinion.
01:31Like, I'm sorry, but that's, A, it's not going to work because you're literally battling with all of the people
01:40who are going to write and talk about this and be the go-between with fans.
01:45And B, like, let's be real.
01:48The media did not create any of this.
01:51If you write stuff on your hat, we can all have a healthy discussion about it, but you upset people.
01:58They were out at Willie Mays Plaza last night.
02:01Our city is our city.
02:03Right.
02:03And it is incredibly diverse, and I want to celebrate the hell out of that.
02:07And there's no getting around the fact that a lot of people are hurting right now because of one of
02:14their beloved city representatives and some things that happened.
02:18You can't just dig your head in the sand and be like, you're a problem if you're mad.
02:23No, because you're an entertainment entity.
02:25Exactly, and you're supposed to entertain the people for whom you represent.
02:29And here in San Francisco, it's a different fan base than, I don't know, Atlanta or Boston or, you know,
02:37certainly like Dallas, the Texas Rangers.
02:39I would imagine that those demographics are different than this one.
02:43And so when you're trying to entertain your local fans, your people, you do have to have a certain amount
02:48of sensitivity to that.
02:50And the thing that keeps striking me is the lack of foresight based on the way this all played out
02:56and whether or not they had a conversation.
02:58Tony Vitello did, clearly the front office didn't go in there and say, hey, look, this event's coming up, and
03:04this is what the expectation is, or this is what we want you to do.
03:08And if you don't want to do that, then you can possibly do this.
03:11There was clearly not a lot of foresight.
03:13And so the players who put scripture on their hat, they just did what they wanted to do, and now
03:19the organization's having to deal with it.
03:20It's just funny, man.
03:21Like, without even getting into what anybody's opinion is about anything, have you noticed the Giants keep doing things and
03:30then asking for the story to go away?
03:33It's kind of what the players did.
03:35It's what Ryan Walker and JT Brubaker, that's what they did.
03:40This whole thing, ooh, the Justice Department is involved now, and all of them were like, there was no discrimination.
03:46And I think it was Brubaker who was like, I just want this to go away.
03:49Well, I bet you do.
03:52You started this.
03:54Like, you guys are the ones that actually, you wrote on your uniform, which Major League Baseball says you're not
04:02allowed to do.
04:03But, like, whether I agreed or disagreed or anything like that, like, the first act was, you did this.
04:12And then it's like, same thing with Rafi.
04:15You're the one, you waved your finger, you shoot a teammate, you avoided a coach, you left the dugout.
04:21And then you're like, don't, don't, don't come here and make it a story.
04:25Well, you did.
04:26You guys blew this out of proportion.
04:28You made this a story.
04:28Right.
04:29How about, hey, was the idea of being pinched run for blown out of proportion?
04:35I would argue, Rafi, boy, you blew that way out of proportion.
04:40Quite frankly, it was an obvious move.
04:42Right.
04:43Whether your hamstring hurt or not, it's exactly what any manager would have done in that situation.
04:48And you blew it out of proportion.
04:50Exactly.
04:50So, I mean, that became a story.
04:53And it's okay to have an on-field mistake.
04:55Willie Adamas forgetting how many outs there are because he's chatting it up with Mookie Betts.
05:00Or maybe that's coincidental or whatever.
05:01But you come out and you say, yeah, I screwed up.
05:04I know I can't do that.
05:06I have to be better.
05:07I have to be more aware.
05:08Okay.
05:08It's not done and dusted, but it's at least done.
05:12And so Rafi Devers ducks the media again on Sunday.
05:15And now you come out and you blame the media on a Tuesday.
05:18It doesn't make the story go away.
05:20And I just wonder about the media training and the media awareness down there.
05:25Because you send Buster out or Buster goes out on his own.
05:28Whatever happened and you immediately go on the defensive of I'm not answering those questions.
05:33And then the media guy has to step in and say, yeah, we're going to have to shut this down.
05:38We're going to shut it down now.
05:39If you guys don't pivot.
05:41And it's like, okay, what are we doing?
05:43Let's talk about Rafi Devers.
05:45Well, I haven't talked to Rafi.
05:46Buster, what are you doing here?
05:48And it's sad.
05:50And you watch Buster, like the video of it.
05:52He looks completely uncomfortable.
05:54He's looking down.
05:56And I don't know, like he's out there, but why?
05:59Why are you out there?
06:00And he's so uncomfortable doing it.
06:02Yeah, it wasn't equipped.
06:04He wasn't ready for these questions.
06:06And we can certainly debate whether or not he should have even been the one to go out there to
06:11address it.
06:13I just like circling back to the man.
06:15Then we're going to take some calls here.
06:16The main thing I want to say today, it bothers me when people in big time sports get mad at
06:23our interest.
06:24That's what pisses me off.
06:26Interesting.
06:27Because that's what it says to me.
06:28You want our interest like crazy when it's going well.
06:32You want our money?
06:34You want us like, you want us buying paraphernalia and gear?
06:39You want us lined up out to lot A for a baby Yoda?
06:43Hello Kitty.
06:44Or a Hello Kitty?
06:46But as soon as something isn't exactly as you want it, now we're blowing it out of proportion.
06:53Now we're not welcome.
06:55The fans, the media, or whoever.
06:57It's like that is very disingenuous.
07:02This whole thing is silly if you really want us to go down that road.
07:06Right.
07:07The whole idea of sports, which we love, you and I have made it our life.
07:11But the whole thing is silly.
07:13Like, we're lucky here in the Bay.
07:15We've won championships.
07:17What happens when we win championships?
07:19We go, yeah!
07:21Parade.
07:22And then we have dinner.
07:23Right.
07:24Like, nothing.
07:24You didn't get more money out of that.
07:26You didn't get, like, you got bragging rights.
07:29The whole thing, if you really want to make it about this, which I don't, because it's
07:35really about doing things with your family and your friends.
07:37Right, it's about making memories.
07:38Isn't that what Buster said?
07:39Absolutely.
07:40Right.
07:40But the whole thing is silly if you're going to frame it the way you guys did yesterday.
07:45You're blowing it out of proportion.
07:46You're damn right we are.
07:48Well, the majority...
07:48You're wearing tights and hitting a ball.
07:51Right.
07:51Like, what are we doing?
07:52The majority of everything in life is silly and superfluous and meaningless, but we attach
07:58meaning to it for exactly what you're describing, which is family.
08:02And I go back to the 2010 World Series when I was there with my ex-wife and my two
08:07kids
08:07and Hurricane Gail, and we had seats and we watched, you know, all the World Series games
08:12and those are memories and those become part of the fabric of our lives.
08:16And so you've done it with your kids and all of us have done it, which is why we love
08:21sports.
08:21It's memories.
08:22And so now if you're in the memory-making business and something happens that's not a fond memory,
08:28if it's Rafi Devers doing the Mutombo finger wag, okay, stuff happens in sports, but you go
08:34ahead and address it and you move on.
08:37I'm not proud of every moment I've ever had on this radio station.
08:41And I was thinking earlier today about...
08:43What's your story?
08:44The fantasy draft this year.
08:45Oh.
08:46So we're doing the fantasy draft and the whole bit was we're either going to call in
08:51or we're going to show up.
08:52And, you know, it's my turn.
08:54I think I was picking third, maybe.
08:56You were second or third, yeah.
08:56And so I call in and I'm in a foul mood for whatever reason.
09:00And the morning Joes, they were going about, hey, Dibs is on, whatever.
09:05And for whatever reason, and it was my fault 100%, I was not feeling what they were putting down.
09:11So I act like a complete a-hole and I just...
09:15Jameer Gips, boom.
09:17And I hung up and...
09:18I don't even remember why it started to get tense.
09:21What did Shasky say?
09:23What...
09:23I don't know what the back and forth was, but I was not...
09:26I was not receiving their banter in the way that they were intending it.
09:31I was taking odd offense and maybe I didn't have a good night's sleep, whatever.
09:36I can't go back to the moment and have it back, but it ends and I hang up, boom.
09:42And I'm like, that was awful.
09:45And that was terrible.
09:46About seven minutes later, the phone rings.
09:49Look, look, look, look, look.
09:50And he calls me, the boss.
09:51He's like, that can't happen.
09:53That can't happen.
09:54My boss, I know.
09:55I mean, it happened.
09:57And I feel terrible, so immediately, not immediately, when the show's over for the Joes, I text one
10:02Joe and then I text the other and say, I just want to say that I was complete horses behind.
10:07That's on me.
10:09I wish I had it back.
10:10I can't, but I just want to reach out and say, my bad.
10:13And so that's what I did, you know, and that's akin to what Rafi should have done, which is
10:19you stand at your locker and say, yeah, I shouldn't have waved off Jonah Cox.
10:22I shouldn't have disrespected Tony Vitello.
10:25I made a mistake.
10:26I'm going to strive to be better.
10:28And then you move on.
10:30I called the Higgy and after the whole thing happened, and I'm like, what the hell's going
10:34on?
10:34And he goes, I don't know, but I can tell you that if dibs came to my house and said,
10:39I
10:39can't tell you where we're going to go, but we're about to go do damage.
10:43I immediately said to him, all right, let's ride or whatever the hell the quote was.
10:48Right.
10:49I mean.
10:52Yep.
10:54Anyway, I'm not trying to say that I'm Rafi Devers, but you make mistakes and when you
10:59make a mistake, you just, you own it and you try to make immediate amends and you move on.
11:04Maybe he did that.
11:05Like, I mean, to the story, he did walk up to Tony on the airplane and address it.
11:11That's the only part about this that feels good, quite frankly.
11:16I mean, even the explanation, if you will, about how it was just a misunderstanding.
11:22This was my hamstring.
11:23And I'm thinking to myself, that's not it.
11:25That can't be it because, because even if your hamstring was a hundred percent, they would
11:31pinch run for you there.
11:32It's the easiest A to B baseball thing to do in that moment, no matter what.
11:39You clean up hitter with big legs, gets an opening walk in the ninth, you're down to one.
11:44There's not a baseball person in history that doesn't immediately go, put the fast guy out
11:51there.
11:53But you're making it sound like if your hamstring was good, they'd have kept you in.
11:57They wouldn't have.
11:59And if they would have, we would criticize them for it because I guarantee you the next guy would
12:04have hit a double and you'd have got thrown out of home.
12:06A double play.
12:07Like, just, so that's, it's not about that.
12:10And that's the disingenuous stuff that drives me nuts.
12:14You're making up a story now to make it sound like it's okay.
12:18And then you're turning the finger and pointing at everybody else and saying, it's your fault.
12:22It's your fault for turning this into a story.
12:26And I'm like, no, it's not.
12:29All of these things are a story because we're all out of our minds about sports.
12:36Your Grand Slam was a story because we're out of our minds about sports.
12:40Bryce Eldridge's Grand Slam was a whole show.
12:42Go to, yeah, go to the 95.7 The Game's Instagram and look at me while Bryce Eldridge hits that
12:49Grand
12:49Slam.
12:50I'm a 51-year-old man looking like a lunatic five-year-old because a 21-year-old hit a
13:00ball
13:01that wouldn't have gone over any other fence in America.
13:05Was that blowing it out of proportion?
13:07Of course.
13:08I would argue yes.
13:09We were watching the U.S. World Cup game and they score a goal and, you know, we're all
13:14running around the studio here before the show.
13:17A guy who we've never met, who we never will meet, kicked the ball into a net and we were
13:22so euphoric that we're running around.
13:24We brought pizza and baked goods.
13:25Yep.
13:28Let's go to Jeff in Los Angeles.
13:29Hi, Jeff.
13:30Thank you for calling.
13:30What's up?
13:32Hey, guys.
13:33So two things real fast.
13:34So I'm a 50-plus year Giants fan and I'm also 35 years working in media relations.
13:41I know the Giants have the best of the best when it comes to Matt Chisholm.
13:43So I'm shocked if they didn't have a full briefing before they put Buster in front of any cameras
13:50and not knowing that these questions would come up.
13:54So I'm shocked about that because they went backwards yesterday with that briefing.
13:59And I don't understand in any way what was going on in their mindset to put him in front
14:04of those cameras, knowing the volatility of this issue and having Buster say, I'm not
14:10going to talk about that.
14:11That was one step forward and three steps backwards.
14:14Tony seems to be a guy that just wants to make everything okay.
14:18I think it's fine, but just placates things.
14:21You know, this whole, oh, we're fine.
14:23Everything is good.
14:23Whatever.
14:24That's fine.
14:25As far as Devers, that is what actually got me lit up yesterday.
14:28And it's exactly what you're saying, Mark.
14:31This whole mindset of making a big deal and it's, oh, whatever those words were, blaming
14:36it on the media.
14:36Well, I'm from the Boston area.
14:38My friends in Boston told me, watch out for this guy.
14:41So he's pulling the same thing in here that he did with Boston with the media.
14:45So he's the common denominator.
14:47In line with that, I don't think he's a bad guy.
14:49We're not talking about Milton Bradley here.
14:52We're not talking about Carl Everett.
14:53I think he's a child.
14:54I think he's a 12-year-old.
14:56And I can't comprehend that this is the guy that we're going to be leaning on for all
15:01this time.
15:02I'm coming up to San Francisco this weekend, guys.
15:04It's the one time all year that I'm coming up.
15:06And I'm going to be there for bobblehead day.
15:08If you think I'm going to stand in line waiting for this idiot's bobblehead, it's embarrassing.
15:13Jeff, thank you very much.
15:15I mean, yeah, that timing is less than ideal.
15:21It is.
15:21It is.
15:22That's another good question for Rafi.
15:24So, hey, Rafi, I don't know if it's the first.
15:27Is it the first 20,000 fans?
15:30Sounds about right.
15:31There are going to be people.
15:32Is it Saturday or Sunday?
15:33They're going to wake up early on their day off, and they're going to head down to third
15:37and king, and they're going to get in line.
15:39They're going to get in line three hours before a baseball game.
15:43And the reason that they're going to do that is because either they or their children are dying to get
15:50a doll that has your head on a spring so that they can either display it in their house, keep
15:59it forever, sell it on eBay for much more than their ticket, or whatever.
16:06Does that add up to you?
16:09Saturday, 6.05, first 20,000 fans get a Rafi Devers bobblehead.
16:13So, they're going to be out there 2 or 3 o'clock because they want to make sure, wait for
16:19it, grown adults want a doll.
16:23It bobbles.
16:25With your head on it, it bounces.
16:30Bobbles, but yeah, I'm with you.
16:32Feels like we might be blowing something out of proportion here.
16:34So, you're telling me that having grown people show up three hours early to get a ceramic figurine of a
16:43guy who hits a baseball with a piece of wood, you're saying that that's blowing things out of proportion?
16:48You may be right.
16:49I took my son to Baby Yoda Day.
16:52There were people in Stormtrooper costumes.
16:59Darth Vader was there.
17:04I need you, Chewbacca.
17:07The line went out to the damn parking lot out there at Mission Rock.
17:12I saw every costume possibly known to man.
17:18The whole Star Wars brigade was out three hours before first pitch.
17:27So, so that we could get a Baby Yoda.
17:33Right.
17:34A Giant's Baby Yoda.
17:38It feels like I might have blown that one out of proportion.
17:42Perhaps.
17:43You and every other person, and had you not gone that early, you wouldn't have gotten said Grogu.
17:48And right now you can go to eBay.com.
17:51Yeah, what are we up to?
17:52You can buy.
17:53No, I'm looking at the Rafi Devers bobblehead.
17:55Oh, the bobblehead.
17:55That hasn't been issued yet.
17:57Right.
17:57But it's for sale for 50 bucks.
17:59Yep.
17:59What are the Grogu's at?
18:01Is my Grogu going up?
18:03Give me a Cal Shoe on my Grogu.
18:05Are we stock up or stock down on Grogu?
18:07Grogu was going for about 59 bucks that day.
18:10What are we at now?
18:12Because now I would imagine, you know, some of them start ending up in basements and hidden in the back
18:18of rooms.
18:19Some kids broke theirs for sure.
18:21Yep.
18:21So now they're becoming more rare.
18:23Have we reached $70 yet for my Grogu?
18:26I see one for $50 that got sold and another one for sale for $54.99 plus a delivery fee.
18:33All right.
18:33What about the buy it now?
18:34Is there a buy it now price for my Grogu?
18:37I'll look into it.
18:38All right.
18:39The point is, and I like where you're going today with this whole, like, blow it out of proportion idea
18:45because Grogu is a make-believe character on a make-believe show about a make-believe space figurine.
18:54And the Giants are like, I think people like this Grogu thing.
18:57Yeah, I think that the Giants.
18:57Let's get a Grogu bobblehead.
18:59The Giants were like little-known fact in a galaxy far, far away a long, long time ago.
19:04Grogu actually was a Giants fan.
19:06You didn't know that.
19:07Big Willie Mays guy.
19:08He had the Giants going.
19:12Sorry.
19:1382 and 75.
19:1482 and 75.
19:16I got the Giants going.
19:1882 and 75.
19:20His name is actually short for Grogu-ru.
19:24Randy, anything?
19:26It's a two.
19:26It's a two with a possibility going up to a three.
19:30Don't make me beg.
19:31A little bit later in the show.
19:32I'll be more giggly.
19:33It's a Friday for some.
19:34Let's go to Trevor in Rohnert Park.
19:36Hi, Trevor.
19:37Thank you for calling.
19:37What's up?
19:39Hey, what's up, guys?
19:41Yeah, just a little bit of a comment on the Pride Night and the hats.
19:47And I just want to say one thing.
19:49It's that some people, just as many people that feel like they're being included in a Pride Night,
19:58some of those people don't support that and feel excluded.
20:02And some people have certain values that they were raised on, religious, whatever.
20:08And I'm just saying, what if these players, there's no hate there.
20:11It's just that that's just not something they believe in and they're forced to wear those hats
20:15when that's not something that they really support.
20:18So then they're protesting it.
20:20So I'm just saying maybe this is a Major League Baseball thing or a Giants thing
20:25where maybe we shouldn't be having nights where it's excluding one side or the other
20:32or offending one side or the other and just have all-inclusive nights, whatever.
20:37I'm not holding anything against those guys for putting something on their hat,
20:40a religious phrase or a phrase from the Bible, you know?
20:45Because how is that different than, say, which I also don't support,
20:49which is Colin Kaepernick kneeling for the National Anthem?
20:53He's protesting something, and his career got ruined by it, something I wouldn't do.
20:59But I'm just saying those are the same freedoms there.
21:03And I don't think we should make a huge deal about it.
21:05I don't think those guys are saying we hate these people or anything like that.
21:10I think it's just like, hey, I'm wearing a hat of something I don't necessarily support.
21:15I'm going to put a message on there saying what I do support.
21:18And that's that.
21:20So, Trevor, let me answer it this way.
21:22I know a lot of people look at this the way you do.
21:25And there is absolutely, you know, it is your right to look at it that way.
21:31There are a couple of factual things, though, that need to be addressed
21:35anytime someone brings this up.
21:37I keep hearing people say that these pitchers or players are being forced to wear this hat.
21:44And every time someone says that, I go, okay, explain to me,
21:49on what planet were they forced to do anything?
21:52Sam Hentges didn't wear the hat.
21:54Sam Hentges still plays for the Giants.
21:56Sam Hentges was not suspended.
21:58Sam Hentges was not fine.
21:59Sam Hentges was not anything.
22:01Sam Hentges remains, quite frankly, a rather anonymous Giant.
22:07So nobody was forced to do anything.
22:10When you talk about the writing on the hat, I think we can quickly respond to you and go,
22:15actually, it's against Major League Baseball rules.
22:18You are not allowed to write anything on your hat.
22:20You cannot write a Bible verse.
22:22You cannot write Make America Great Again.
22:24You cannot write Black Lives Matter.
22:27You cannot write anything on your hat.
22:30That's just a baseball rule.
22:32So you can look at it the way you do, and you do, and many do.
22:36Others can look at it from the other side of the coin.
22:40But let's stay in the factual space and try to have a discussion about it,
22:45which is nobody was forced to do anything.
22:48The Giants came out and backed that up after the fact.
22:53And then the Giants, since then, have been the ones who have largely refused to even have a discussion about
22:58it.
22:59That's the issue today for me.
23:02For me, there's nothing about it that is a side, like your side or the other side.
23:07There are things that I don't believe in.
23:10And there's not like, let's go hunting night, because I'm not big on hunting animals.
23:16But all these things that they do, it's not about, you know, exclusion.
23:20It's about inclusion.
23:21And if you're so passionate about the Bible, then slap that verse on your hat on April 23rd, which is...
23:29Also illegal, but yes.
23:30Right.
23:30Yes.
23:31I know.
23:31I received your point.
23:33It's random.
23:33This means nothing, Knight.
23:35To act like this was not some sort of a targeted message, I think.
23:40You're being disingenuous.
23:41That's my opinion.
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