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00:02Good evening, the story I am telling you this evening is perhaps the oldest enigma of recent
00:08Italian history. Just think that in two years, in 2008, it will be 40 years since this story
00:17It has begun. Yet, currently today, 2006, I am working on this series of crimes.
00:26of which I will now tell you, two public prosecutors' offices, the one in Florence and the one in Perugia, in an attempt
00:33to clarify an incredible tangle of victims, possible perpetrators, circumstances and
00:40intertwined interests. I'm talking about the Monster of Florence, a generic edition under which I don't
00:47we don't even know exactly whether a single person or a group of people is hiding or was hiding from them
00:55sometimes dominated by another group in a commanding position, let's say. Tonight's itinerary
01:02will take place, edited and directed by us, it will take place through a series
01:08of significant stages that try to symbolize the most significant moments and places, most
01:16also full of left-wing memories of this story. Which begins like this, begins with an appeal
01:24launched in 1992 by Ruggero Perugini, who was the head of the so-called SAM, anti-monster squad,
01:35in which he said what we are now hearing.
01:38People here call you monster, maniac, beast, but in these years I think I have learned to
01:46to know you, maybe even to understand you. And I know that you are only the poor slave, in reality,
01:56of a nightmare from many years ago, which dominates you. At this moment I am not lying to you, and I am not
02:04I won't lie to you even later, if and when you decide to free yourself from this monster, who is tyrannizing you.
02:12You know how, when, and where to find me. I'll wait.
02:18It was an appeal, one of the appeals that were made in an attempt to flush out the monster, and I say
02:24to flush out, because as you can see here we have reconstructed a piece, a shred of a possible campaign
02:33Tuscany, that countryside that has given rise to infinite films, novels, paintings, idyllic,
02:43a friendly agricultural scenario, but in this case instead a scenario that takes on a sinister hue.
02:52And it is precisely in such a countryside, half cultivated and half rustic, that the
02:59our story as the video shows you.
03:05One night a child knocks on the door of a house.
03:08A man looks out of the window of the house.
03:11Open the door for me, I'm sleepy and my dad is sick in bed.
03:14Afterwards he takes me home because my mother and uncle died in the car, the child says.
03:21It seems like a scary tale, but it isn't.
03:26The child's name is Natalino Mele.
03:28His mother, Barbara Locci, took him with her to the appointment with her lover, Antonio
03:33Lobianco, whom he, Natalino, simply calls uncle, as do all lovers of
03:39his mother.
03:41On the evening of August 21, 1968, the three had gone to the cinema, then around 11 pm the man
03:48I had
03:48stopped the car along an isolated road in the countryside, not far from the cemetery
03:52of Signa.
03:54While the baby was sleeping, Barbara and Antonio had begun to make love.
03:59Suddenly someone had fired eight gunshots into their bodies.
04:10Natalino, immediately after, was taken away from the car and left alone in front
04:14at the door of a house.
04:21The investigators followed the trail of a crime of passion, which had matured within a circle
04:26small Sardinian community, a small community that immigrated to Tuscany in the 50s and never completely
04:31integrated.
04:35Stefano Mele, Barbara Locci's betrayed husband, first involved the other lovers
04:40of the wife.
04:40Barbara Diamanti had had many and for this reason she had been nicknamed the peregina.
04:46Then Mele confessed that he was the one who killed his wife.
04:50He was sentenced to 13 years.
04:53Six years later.
04:55It is September 15, 1974.
04:58We are in Borgo San Lorenzo.
04:59Pasquale Gentilcore and Stefania Pettini are two engaged couples.
05:04That night they secluded themselves in the car.
05:06Eight gunshots hit the couple.
05:09The boy dies instantly.
05:10The girl, dragged out of the car, was stabbed 97 times.
05:15A vine shoot is inserted into her vagina.
05:18The cartridge cases found at the crime scene are Winchester brand, with the letter H imprinted on them.
05:23in the bottom.
05:25A .22 caliber Beretta fired.
05:27Ballistics expertise is a tyrant.
05:30June 6, 1981.
05:32Scandicci.
05:33Carmela Denuccio and Giovanni Foggi, another young engaged couple, caught in a state of disrespect
05:39intimates in the car, she is massacred by eight gunshots.
05:43The killer strikes the young woman's body once again.
05:46Then, with three deep, precise blows, he removes the victim's pubic area.
05:55Near the bodies, the shell casings of a .22 Winchester brand caliber, with the letter H imprinted on them.
06:01in the bottom.
06:03October 22, 1981.
06:06Le Bartoline, near Prato.
06:09Two other fiancés, Susanna Cambi and Stefano Baldi, decide to go to a private place before returning home.
06:15on a country lane.
06:17And here, they are killed by the same .22 caliber.
06:21Once again, the young woman's body was torn and mutilated.
06:28June 19, 1982.
06:31Antonella Migliorini and Paolo Mainardi.
06:33Same scenario.
06:35But at the first shots the young man tries to escape.
06:38The wheels of the car in reverse end up in the ditch.
06:41The killer first hits the car's headlights, then the driver gets involved.
06:45Finally he shoots the girl.
06:48His body is not disfigured.
06:50Maybe the killer doesn't have time.
06:52The shells, once again marking the territory.
06:57The Carabinieri, alerted by a phone call, found the boy still alive, having survived
07:02to that horror.
07:03He died a few hours later in hospital, without ever regaining consciousness.
07:07Public opinion is shocked.
07:10Investigators are groping in the dark.
07:12A Carabinieri non-commissioned officer remembers the crime of '68, the two lovers and the child.
07:18The bullet casings from the double homicide are still preserved in the dossier.
07:22A strange fact.
07:23In fact, in the event of a final sentence, the evidence must be destroyed.
07:28They are caliber 22, Winchester brand, with the letter H on the base.
07:33It turns out they were fired from the same weapon that bloodied the countryside nearby
07:38Florence.
07:40Stefano Mele, however, the betrayed husband, was in prison during the murders.
07:45Is it possible that the never-recovered weapon was handed over to an accomplice?
07:50Francesco Vinci, another lover of the woman murdered in 1968, is arrested.
07:55A violent man, already in prison for mistreating his wife.
07:59The monster has been found.
08:02Florence breathes a sigh of relief.
08:04But not for long.
08:07A weapon then, a weapon similar to the one you are seeing, a .22 caliber Beretta,
08:15which was never found, as the narration in this film eloquently told us.
08:24Instead, these shell casings were found, and you see them here.
08:28As you can see, these are small caliber ammunition, nothing to do with the 9mm war caliber,
08:36but such as to be able to cause death if fired from short distances.
08:41Now, the particular enigma that focuses on this fundamental detail, moreover, of this series of crimes,
08:52it is precisely the nature of the weapon and the place where it could or might have been hidden.
09:00I have a colleague here in the office, and I ask you to sit down, good evening Spezzi,
09:05my colleague Mario Spezzi, who is one of the journalists of the Nation, who is one of the greatest, let's say, Italian experts.
09:12Then we'll talk about everything at length.
09:14For now I wanted to ask you, Spezzi, why the discovery of this weapon that we have put here in symbolic form would be so important
09:23important?
09:24For two reasons, essentially.
09:27Because it is the only objective element now, after so many years, that would directly link a potential perpetrator to the murders.
09:36And then because, knowing with almost certainty who used it in '68, we should be able to understand into whose hands it passed,
09:45when then, six years later, the manic crimes began.
09:48The manic crimes. Do you think that realistically this weapon, we're talking about 40 years ago, is still alive, let's say, reportable by
10:00somewhere?
10:02Very often, I think that those responsible for manic crimes are serial killers, that is, manic murderers,
10:09very often they have a fetishistic attachment to weapons, which makes it very difficult for them to get rid of them.
10:14Thank you Spezzi, we'll see you again in a moment, thank you very much, we'll see each other again in a moment and of course we'll go into more detail about every other aspect.
10:22For now, however, we continue with this macabre, but after all, we are talking about a series of crimes,
10:28sinister reconstruction of the other crimes in the series.
10:36September 9, 1983, Galluzzo, municipality of Florence. A Volkswagen van, two German tourists,
10:45Rush Uwe and Horstmeier, hit by seven gunshots, a .22 caliber Beretta, the killer's signature.
10:53But it is an anomalous murder, the bodies of the two young people were not disfigured.
10:58Perhaps the small build and long hair of one of the two boys misled the killer,
11:04who doesn't realize he's targeting two men.
11:08Perhaps it was an improvised murder carried out only to exonerate Francesco Vinci.
11:14Investigating judge Mario Rotella first decides to leave Francesco Vinci in prison, then releases him.
11:21Giovanni Mele and Pietro Mucciarini, respectively brother and brother-in-law of Stefano Mele, end up behind bars.
11:27the husband of the woman killed in 1968.
11:30Judge Rotella is convinced.
11:32The key to the enigma lies in the violent and turbulent relationships that bind the members of the Sardi clan.
11:38But a new crime shatters all certainties.
11:42Tuscany has once again woken up to the nightmare of a maniac surprising and killing couples.
11:48July 29, 1984.
11:50Vicchio del Mugello.
11:52Pia Rontini and Claudio Stefanacci.
11:54Two young engaged couples in their car looking for some privacy.
11:58Then, again, the same .22 caliber fires another six shots.
12:03No chance of escape.
12:05This time the monster removes from the girl's lifeless body, in addition to her pubic area, also her left breast.
12:10All of Italy is shocked.
12:14Florence is a city in a state of alarm.
12:16If a young person doesn't come home after midnight, the parents immediately call the police.
12:23The SAM, the special anti-monster squad, is born.
12:26A bounty is even set up to find the monster.
12:34Investigating judge Rotella continues to pursue the Sardinian lead and arrests Salvatore Vinci, Francesco's brother.
12:41He was also a lover of Barbara Locci.
12:43He is an unscrupulous, vicious man.
12:46She also had sexual relations with Barbara Locci's husband, Stefano Mele.
12:50But the monster strikes again.
12:52Good evening, the Monster of Florence has struck again.
12:56The victims were two young French women, Nadine Moriot, 36, and Jean-Michel Crauchilli, 25.
13:03September 8, 1985.
13:05San Casciano.
13:06Another unusual crime, but this time due to ferocity.
13:12In fact, the boy initially manages to escape from the tent.
13:16The monster catches up to him and stabs him from behind.
13:18Then he hides the body under the foliage.
13:21He returns to the girl and removes both her pubic area and her left breast.
13:24The body is hidden inside the tent.
13:27The monster, for the first time, wants to delay the discovery of the bodies.
13:31The reason will only be discovered the next day.
13:34A letter containing a piece of Nadine's left breast is delivered to the prosecutor's office.
13:38In the monster's intention, the investigators would have found themselves with the proof that there had been another
13:44crime,
13:45without having identified the victim, however.
13:48With this open provocation the murders of the Monster of Florence end.
13:52It is at this point that the prosecutor Pierluigi Vigna decides to no longer pursue the Sardinian lead.
13:57All suspects are cleared.
14:00Meanwhile, SAM is re-elaborating the data accumulated in almost 20 years of investigations
14:04and arrives at a shortlist of 60 names.
14:06Then 30.
14:08Finally, to one man alone.
14:10Peter Pacciani
14:11Born in Vicchio, resident in Mercatale, he spent 15 years in prison for killing his girlfriend.
14:18He knows a thousand trades.
14:20A farmer with big shoes and a sharp mind.
14:23He is holding the whole family under house arrest.
14:26The stupid wife.
14:27He never lets his daughters leave the house.
14:29He's a sharpshooter.
14:31This is how he is described in an anonymous letter sent to the Carabinieri barracks after the last murder.
14:37The data is almost accurate.
14:39As a young man, Pacciani did not kill his girlfriend, but his rival, with bestial anger and fury.
14:45He then demanded sexual intercourse from the woman near the body of the man he had just murdered.
14:50And not only did he not let his daughters go out, but he sexually abused them from when they were little girls.
14:56A beastly man.
14:57A monster.
14:59The Monster of Florence.
15:04Here, I find myself in front of an old model car,
15:09but a model that was the scene, alas, the sinister scene of some of those murders.
15:16There are these lovers who go off in the evening, at night, in a little wood,
15:22in that seemingly idyllic landscape we saw earlier
15:28and that then here, in this fragile shelter, they can be discovered and hit as can happen,
15:36as happened then and as unfortunately has happened a few other times as well.
15:41But the difference now is that the monster seems to have a name.
15:47It is that Pacciani that we saw in the images a little while ago and who from his appearance declares himself for what he is.
15:54And.
15:54I mean, a brutal peasant, I'll show you a proof in a little while, a graphic proof,
16:01so equivalent to a confession, so to speak, from a psychological point of view, of his brutality.
16:07There's that sinister detail of the left breast amputations that keeps coming back.
16:14The theory was put forward that this was a particular form of revenge
16:20because his cheating girlfriend had shown those breasts to her lover.
16:28This story is full of details between the shady, the erotic, the sinister, the murky.
16:34and of course not all can be reported, but some must be reported.
16:41However, Pacciani is there and Pacciani ends up in the dock.
16:45April 19, 1994. The trial of Pietro Pacciani opens.
16:50The people closest to the accused are called to testify
16:53to demonstrate his brutal personality and his perversions.
16:57But Pietro Pacciani always denies everything.
16:59People around, who knew, say, that one goes to look in the couple and in the woods.
17:06I never went to look, if someone had gone to look,
17:10he does those nasty things, one goes to watch and someone else does it.
17:14I did it with my wife, my wife on purpose.
17:17He also beat you for other reasons.
17:19Even when you didn't want to sleep with him.
17:22This is a set-up, it's all a farce.
17:26Did you make love together, ma'am?
17:28Yes.
17:28How did you behave, madam?
17:30He was behaving badly in holding me tight and in his love.
17:37He was like a fox like a commoner.
17:40Did you understand? The spring house is the foreground.
17:42And she tells me that I'm coming to look for her.
17:45Images of the victims projected in the courtroom
17:47they bring the process back to its stark and terrible reality.
17:50You can see the screw, if you can zoom in even further.
17:53If possible.
17:54He's a guy from the escort who had some problems with the photos.
17:59What evidence is there of the defendant's involvement in these crimes?
18:04Investigators found a sketchbook and a soap dish in Pacciani's house
18:09which would have belonged to the murdered German boys.
18:13But the most important clue would be a .22 H series cartridge
18:18set in a beam in the garden of the house.
18:21The key to the puzzle is still the weapon.
18:25The weapon that links all crimes.
18:27The weapon that can't be found.
18:29A witness, Lorenzo Nesi, a friend of the accused,
18:33reveals that Pacciani in the 70s and 80s
18:35He boasted about hunting pheasants with a .22 caliber Beretta.
18:40The wiretaps in the accused's house
18:43would document his concern in hiding this very weapon.
18:48Even though Pacciani says it in a whisper, the bug manages to capture him.
18:53I'm putting it on now!
18:55But Pacciani always denies everything, then makes a final appeal to the judges.
18:59I am as innocent as the God on the cross.
19:03After seven months, 41 hearings, 156 witnesses, the sentence.
19:08In the name of the Italian people, the Court of Assisi of First Instance of Florence
19:12and the first section declares Pietro Pacciani guilty of the crimes attributed to him
19:17as in the indictment, except those of murder
19:20and possession of a common firearm relating to the homicide to the detriment of
19:23by Lobianco Antonio and Locci Barbara
19:26and sentences him to life imprisonment with solitary confinement
19:29for the duration of 3 years.
19:30The hearing is adjourned!
19:33The judges of the Court conclude, however, that Pacciani
19:36he could not have been alone in committing some crimes.
19:39A statement that undermines all previous investigative theories
19:42based on a single serial killer.
19:50In 1996, Pacciani's lawyers appealed.
19:55The defendant is no longer present in the courtroom.
19:57For his defenders, the scenes, instead of moving the Court to pity,
20:02they had the opposite effect.
20:04All the clues from the first trial are easily dismantled.
20:07However, the attention of the investigators turned towards a witness, Mario Vanni,
20:12which already during the first trial seems to hide something unspeakable.
20:16What secret links these two people?
20:19The final day of the second-degree trial, the dramatic turn of events.
20:23The prosecution is asking for four new witnesses to be heard,
20:27two of whom were eyewitnesses to the 1985 crime.
20:33Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta.
20:36Their identity is being kept hidden for security reasons.
20:40But the president of the Assize Court, Francesco Ferri, rejected the request.
20:44Aren't we in the realm of algebra yet?
20:47Sure, sure, sure.
20:48On the same day, at 11 a.m., the Court adjourned.
20:52After just four hours, the verdict fully exonerated Pietro Pacciani.
20:58No, no, no, gentlemen!
21:01Two days before this sensational verdict,
21:04the same prosecutor's office had issued an arrest warrant for Mario Vanni,
21:08accused of being Pietro Pacciani's accomplice in the execution of the crimes.
21:13An absurd situation.
21:16The alleged Monster of Florence had been released from prison within a few days.
21:19and his accomplice was charged.
21:27This summary, forcedly concise, that the films and the commentary present to us,
21:33they make us understand at least one thing.
21:36Of how justice, we call it that, that is, the judicial administration,
21:40police investigations,
21:42they were desperately looking for a trace that would alert them,
21:49that would put them on the trail of the true perpetrator of this crime.
21:54We can trust a first-instance court ruling that condemns the case to life imprisonment.
21:59and of a second-degree assize sentence that even overturns and judges him.
22:05Look, innocent, and releases him.
22:08These were, Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, they were the four witnesses,
22:13two of whom then did not want their images to be revealed.
22:19This is Ferdinando Pucci, the names are obviously known.
22:22This is Giancarlo Lotti.
22:26This is Gabriella Ghiribelli,
22:30that two came, agreed to testify
22:35and two others like the second one and this Norberto Galli
22:39they preferred that their image remain hidden.
22:45I have a question for another colleague
22:48who has followed it from the beginning and knows the case thoroughly.
22:52Amatore Agostini, good evening.
22:54Good evening.
22:55How are you?
22:56Let's stand there in front.
22:59Agostini, I said before,
23:01the question is quick, the answer is quick
23:03and then we will have the opportunity to talk more in depth.
23:05I said before that the sentence was overturned,
23:10What was the atmosphere like in that debate?
23:13But the appeal process was,
23:16it was as if the acquittal had already been written.
23:20If it were already, why?
23:21Because some things were not known
23:23and the sentence already of condemnation,
23:26the President of Unibene,
23:28he had already indicated the possibility that there were accomplices.
23:31So there was still everything to discover.
23:33And Pacciani didn't seem like it at that moment
23:35the person responsible for these crimes.
23:39And so the appeal ruling was already practically in the air.
23:43This absolution was already in the air.
23:45But you who were following the thing,
23:49now aside from the fact that perhaps it was breathed in the rather certainly,
23:52but you who were following the thing,
23:54How satisfied or dissatisfied were you, so to speak?
23:58I heard someone clapping their hands
24:01when reading the device.
24:03Yes, as usual there were those who believed he was innocent and those who believed he was guilty,
24:07as on many occasions.
24:11I would say that at that time there were more innocent people,
24:14that is, they breathed a sigh of relief
24:16when there was the acquittal.
24:18With that ruling, they come into play,
24:20the snack buddies enter the game.
24:23Yes, by the way, how to say,
24:26condemned, that is, guilty,
24:28and accomplices of an innocent man,
24:32because at that point Pacciani was innocent.
24:34And that's what we need to address now,
24:38with the following video.
24:40What are the burning revelations of Alpha,
24:43Beta, Gamma and Delta?
24:46On September 8, 1985,
24:49the night of the last crime,
24:51Gabriella Ghiribelli, the Gamma witness,
24:53and Norberto Galli, the Delta witness,
24:56they pass by with their car
24:58near the square on Via degli Scopeti
25:00and they see a car they recognize
25:02like that of Giancarlo Lotti.
25:06Giancarlo Lotti, the Beta witness,
25:09he tells investigators that he stopped
25:11in that place with a friend,
25:13Fernando Pucci, the Alfa witness.
25:16And it is Fernando Pucci himself
25:17who confesses to having witnessed
25:19to the crime of the two Frenchmen.
25:21I feel like it's tearing,
25:25a crack.
25:25With a knife.
25:27Who was holding the knife?
25:28Him in hand.
25:30What did the other one do?
25:31The gun.
25:33Did Pacciano have it?
25:34Yes.
25:34Then you feel it, you feel it, you shoot.
25:37Let's go and see what's there.
25:38But I hear a voice,
25:40If you leave me, they'll kill you too.
25:42It was Lotti who brought it
25:44that evening at Scopeti,
25:45to show him
25:46who was the monster of Florence.
25:49Confession after confession,
25:51Lotti will admit to having been present
25:53also to other crimes
25:54committed by Pietro Pacciani and Mario Vanni
25:56and even having actively participated in it.
26:02And when from witness he becomes a suspect,
26:05he justifies himself by declaring that he was forced
26:08and that Pacciani was blackmailing him.
26:10The threat was that if he didn't do it
26:12everything he ordered,
26:14everyone in the village would have known
26:15who was a homosexual.
26:18In fact, he declared to the judge
26:20that in the past
26:21he had been surprised by Pacciani himself
26:23in intimate attitudes with a man
26:25and that one evening Pacciani
26:26he had even raped him.
26:30The verdict of the trial
26:31to the so-called companions
26:33will confirm the track
26:34that the witnesses
26:35Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta
26:38they had indicated.
26:39Giancarlo Lotti and Mario Vanni
26:41they will be judged accomplices of Pietro Pacciani
26:44in the last four double homicides
26:46and sentenced to life imprisonment the first
26:48and the second at thirty.
26:50Final sentence
26:52confirmed until collected.
26:54Peter Pacciani
26:55who would be expected
26:56a separate process
26:57he will never be judged.
26:59With his sudden death
27:00and mysterious
27:01a heart attack from taking
27:02incompatible medicines
27:04with its pathologies
27:05the curtain had fallen
27:06about the main character
27:08of this whole story.
27:10The snack buddies
27:11The three condemned monsters
27:13they are grotesque characters.
27:15Giancarlo Lotti
27:16he is homeless.
27:17Meals are offered to him
27:18from the local restaurateur
27:20in exchange for pranks
27:21at his own expense.
27:22In the village
27:23they call it the catanga.
27:24Mario Vanni
27:25the postman
27:26is remembered by all
27:27for having dropped
27:28inadvertently on the bus
27:30before the amused eyes
27:32of the passengers
27:32a vibrator on.
27:34He is nicknamed Torsolo
27:36the apple part
27:37that is thrown away.
27:38Peter Pacciani
27:39he used to get angry
27:40furiously blushing in the face
27:42and for this
27:42he was nicknamed
27:44the blaze.
27:46It is credible that it is burning
27:48catanga and core
27:49the madmen of the country
27:50have held in check
27:51for years
27:52experts and investigators?
27:54And where is the gun?
27:55who signed
27:56all the crimes?
28:03You see
28:04we gave
28:04this concise form
28:06to the reconstruction
28:07of events
28:08not only because
28:09the program formula
28:10forces us
28:11but also for a choice
28:13I dare say
28:14a difficult word
28:15stylistics
28:16in the sense that
28:17reviewing
28:18in such a short time
28:20summarize the facts
28:21they also understand each other
28:22the difficulties
28:23almost insurmountable
28:25of the investigation
28:26it's so true
28:27which as I said
28:28at the start
28:29does anyone remember it?
28:30at almost 40 years old
28:32away
28:32of the facts
28:33there are still
28:33two prosecutors
28:34that are
28:35working
28:36on this
28:37crimes
28:38in part
28:39solutes
28:40largely
28:40No
28:41look for example
28:42this other detail
28:43what I'll show you
28:44you see
28:45next to
28:46to a couple
28:48of victims
28:48was found
28:49on the ground
28:50that circle
28:50of stones
28:51now you know
28:52that that
28:53it could be anything
28:54it could be the rest
28:55of a fire
28:56that has never been turned on
28:58of a campsite
28:59of a camp
29:00can be
29:01an esoteric sign
29:02there were inside
29:03two sticks
29:04crucified
29:06but they had gone to the cross
29:08by chance
29:08they had been crucified
29:10like a sign
29:11this too
29:12you know
29:13those rites
29:14strange
29:15what they do
29:15and not far away
29:17there was a stone
29:18of this form
29:19Meaning what
29:19described as
29:21a stone
29:22trunk
29:23of pyramid
29:24it's not exactly
29:25a pyramid
29:26but anyway
29:26rather hexagonal
29:28but
29:29what did he mean?
29:31that stone
29:32that one too
29:32it was a sign
29:33or it wasn't a sign
29:35or was there by chance
29:36the fact is
29:37that even
29:38a detail
29:39perhaps insignificant
29:40like that
29:41opens
29:42a new scenario
29:43in an investigation
29:44in the process
29:45to the companions of Merende
29:46had emerged
29:47a disturbing interest
29:48of the suspects
29:49for occultism
29:50and the esoteric world
29:51Pacciani
29:52Vanni
29:53and Lotti
29:53they frequented
29:54a strange character
29:55Salvatore Indovino
29:57a holy man
29:58a magician
29:59in his home
30:00in the countryside
30:01of San Casciano
30:02strange things were happening
30:04it's the same Gabriella
30:06Ghiribelli
30:06a prostitute
30:07who knew well
30:08Merende's companions
30:09to tell it
30:11I found
30:12many times
30:13a star
30:14five-pointed
30:16of the candles
30:17and even
30:20some gloves
30:21condoms
30:22like so
30:22but
30:23I found it there
30:24even blood
30:25the same dynamics
30:27of the crimes
30:28had highlighted
30:29a series of coincidences
30:30that would make it stand out
30:31a component
30:32esoteric
30:32the crimes
30:34with some exceptions
30:35had always been committed
30:37in the nights
30:37of the New Moon
30:38and in the unfolding
30:39of the sexual act
30:40of the couple
30:40the removals
30:42of the pubis
30:42and of the breast
30:43they could also
30:44to be read
30:45in the same direction
30:48the judges
30:50in the sentence
30:50that condemns
30:51Vanni and Lotti
30:52they had hypothesized
30:53that behind
30:54those crimes
30:54there were
30:55of the principals
30:55and they had asked
30:57to investigate
30:57there was the statement
30:59by Giancarlo Lotti
31:00and there was also
31:14an inexplicable
31:15small fortune
31:16in the postal account
31:16by Pietro Pacciani
31:17accumulated over the years
31:19in which they took place
31:20the crimes
31:21in the following years
31:23the investigations
31:23they brought
31:24to the identification
31:25in the rich
31:26and Tuscan cult
31:27of a group
31:27of people
31:28unsuspected
31:29a pharmacist
31:30a dermatologist
31:31a doctor
31:32a lawyer
31:33it's them
31:34the instigators?
31:35those who commissioned
31:36to Pacciani
31:37Vanni and Lotti
31:38crimes and fetishes
31:39in exchange for money?
31:41it was a satanic sect
31:42or what else?
31:45in the course
31:46of the investigations
31:46the investigators
31:47they start to investigate
31:48on death
31:48of the doctor
31:49Francesco Narducci
31:50drowned dead
31:51in Lake Trasimeno
31:52October 13th
31:541985
31:54after 20 years
31:56the Perugia prosecutor's office
31:57hypothesizes the crime
31:58really
31:59with a staging
32:00which would foresee
32:01a double corpse
32:02the doctor
32:03from the testimonies
32:04collected by investigators
32:05would have attended
32:07Francesco Calamandrei
32:08the pharmacist
32:09of San Casciano
32:10postponed a few days ago
32:11on trial
32:11as principal
32:12of the crimes
32:13from the Florence prosecutor's office
32:16Narducci
32:17would have been part of
32:17of this second level
32:19and became
32:20unreliable
32:20he would have been killed
32:23if to this
32:24they are added
32:24other mysterious deaths
32:26occurred in the previous decade
32:27the scenario
32:28it gets even more complicated
32:31Francesco Vinci
32:32was found
32:32charred
32:33in his car
32:35Milva Malatesta
32:37lover of Francesco Vinci
32:38a prostitute
32:39which according to some testimonies
32:41would have participated
32:42to esoteric-sexual rituals
32:43at the fortune teller's house
32:45he died some time later
32:46she too
32:47carbonized
32:47in his car
32:48together with his little son Mirco
32:50three years old
32:52then Renato Malatesta
32:54husband of Maria Sperduto
32:56lover of Pacciani
32:57he was found hanged
32:59but it was said
33:00that it was not about
33:01of suicide
33:02when a crime
33:04a series of crimes
33:05they assume
33:07connotations
33:08imply relationships
33:10so complicated
33:11And
33:12justified
33:13hope
33:14to arrive
33:15sooner or later
33:16to solve them
33:17look
33:18I want to show you
33:19a detail
33:20but that
33:20it lights up very well
33:22the difficulties
33:23with which
33:24we found each other
33:25to fight
33:26these are
33:27a series of drawings
33:29by Pacciani himself
33:30which demonstrates
33:32a certain skill
33:33if that poor guy
33:34could have
33:36maybe study
33:37in some institution
33:39of history
33:40of fine arts
33:41would have become
33:42something different
33:43from that brutal
33:44farmer
33:45which then was
33:46look at this
33:47the man
33:49fully dressed
33:50the woman
33:50naked
33:50in one position
33:51of offer
33:53but
33:53you see
33:54almost bestialized
33:56from this
33:57skin
33:59hair
34:00like a
34:02a beast
34:02of facts
34:03like a dog
34:04wolf
34:05that in fact
34:05appears here
34:06where here
34:07there is a
34:08detail
34:09I don't know if we can
34:10to illuminate
34:11where it says
34:13here is the caption
34:14often the captions
34:15they are written
34:16in an Italian
34:16ungrammatical
34:17the hen
34:18without underwear
34:20if I catch you
34:21you feel it
34:22here it is
34:22it's a hallucination
34:26bestial
34:27clearly
34:27as it is
34:29this kiss
34:30look
34:31the imagination
34:32this kiss
34:33between a man
34:34and a wolf
34:35which it contrasts with
34:37this other drawing
34:38where instead
34:39under the two eagles
34:41there's a little lamb here
34:42and the caption
34:43that accompanies
34:44the graphic sign
34:46he says one thing
34:47which seems to contradict
34:49the whole complex
34:50of the others
34:50he says
34:51the lamb of god
34:53who takes away sins
34:55of the world
34:56poor beast
34:57Why
34:58you eat it
34:59Here you are
35:00this is one thing
35:02from
35:02as an animal rights activist
35:03from
35:04it's a thing
35:04pitiful
35:05That
35:06it's a detail
35:07of personality
35:08by Pacciani
35:09which as I repeat
35:10seems to contradict
35:12everything else
35:14drawings like these
35:16they can be
35:17a significant clue
35:18on this too
35:19detail
35:20important
35:21moreover
35:21psychiatrists
35:23they split up
35:23who said yes
35:24who said no
35:25but from the drawings
35:27as well as from others
35:28elements
35:29that have been collected
35:31it is possible to go back
35:32to the personality
35:34of the subject
35:35who is the author
35:37Francesco Bruno
35:38criminologist
35:39very well known
35:40he expressed himself
35:41some time ago
35:42in the terms
35:43that we are listening to now
35:44it was about
35:45of one hand
35:46of a serial killer
35:49who had
35:50and acted
35:51within
35:52Of
35:53causes
35:54and motivations
35:56esoteric
35:57And
35:58Anyway
35:59religious
35:59distorted
36:00real and proper
36:02delusions
36:02that they had to do with
36:03with nature
36:04and with
36:05there
36:05reproduction
36:07and that
36:10probably
36:11the crime
36:12of '85
36:13it would have been
36:14the last one
36:15accomplished
36:16within
36:17of that cycle
36:18this
36:18the declaration
36:19by Francesco Bruno
36:20now it has arrived
36:21the moment
36:22to discuss
36:23some hypotheses
36:24that they are
36:25which have been put forward
36:27during the program
36:29with our two
36:29illustrious colleagues
36:31and that
36:32that they are
36:33practically
36:33you are there
36:34both
36:35specialized
36:36if I may tell you
36:38to sum up
36:39in terms
36:39very synthetic
36:41what I
36:41I understand
36:42during the program
36:43and during the
36:44its preparation
36:45we meet
36:46in front of two
36:47hypothesis
36:48at least two
36:49hypothesis
36:49possible
36:50the first is
36:51that the monster
36:52of Florence
36:53it really is
36:54a monster
36:55that is, a person
36:56physics
36:56identified
36:57who acted
36:59alive or dead
37:00let it be today
37:01and a lot of time has passed
37:02practically
37:03alone
37:04the second hypothesis
37:05that instead
37:06what we
37:07let's say
37:07the monster
37:08of Florence
37:08let it be a name
37:09collective
37:10why yes
37:11reports
37:11to a group
37:12of people
37:13in turn
37:13overshadowed
37:14from another
37:15group of people
37:16principals
37:17break
37:17she who
37:19thinks
37:19I am convinced
37:21that it is
37:22speak louder
37:23I am convinced
37:24that it is
37:24a single murderer
37:25a single murderer
37:26and the belief
37:27it derives
37:28from different
37:29factors
37:30aside from the fact
37:31that I followed
37:32always the case
37:32since '81
37:33there is nothing
37:35but nothing
37:36on the scene
37:36of the crimes
37:37that leaves you thinking
37:38in the presence
37:39of more people
37:40of more people
37:40Does Amadori agree?
37:42no I think
37:43that it may be
37:44more than one
37:44and I think
37:45that the hypothesis
37:46of the companion
37:47of Mirendi
37:48is
37:48the plausible
37:51Amadori
37:52Spezzi said
37:53on the scene
37:54of the crimes
37:54nothing can be found
37:56that can make you think
37:57to more people
37:58she why
37:58think the opposite
38:00by intuition
38:01or why?
38:02No
38:03for a couple
38:04of reasons at least
38:05the first
38:05it's the story
38:06of Lotti
38:07Lots for sure
38:09it wasn't
38:09a person
38:11educated
38:12but it was
38:12a tape recorder
38:14that is, that
38:15that he lived
38:16he reported
38:17Exactly
38:18when he decided
38:19when he gave up
38:20the defenses
38:20let's say he's a repentant
38:22let's say he's a repentant
38:23Yes
38:23roughly speaking
38:24Anyway
38:24an important step
38:25he had it done
38:26telling details
38:28certainly unpublished
38:29like death
38:31by Pierontini
38:32When
38:33of one of the victims
38:34let's say
38:35of one of the victims
38:36if we name names
38:37No
38:37breast
38:37I am afraid
38:38that we become disoriented
38:39Perfect
38:40death
38:40the death of one of the victims
38:42telling
38:44of some verses
38:46that the victim
38:48had done
38:48in limine lives
38:49Nobody
38:50he had never come out
38:51in the newspapers
38:51and then
38:52the forensic medical expert
38:53it's a detail
38:53very significant
38:54it's a specific detail
38:55it's just
38:55who could have been there
38:57that is, who was there
38:57he could have known
38:58or made it up
39:00he doesn't have an idea
39:01he doesn't have an idea
39:02at that height
39:03break
39:04this seems to me
39:04quite reasonable
39:06I would say that this one here
39:07it's the proof
39:07that Lotti was lying
39:09from clinical tests
39:12it turns out that
39:12the poor girl
39:14he died at the first shot
39:15he wouldn't have the time
39:16not even to say
39:16to the
39:17and Lotti lies
39:18in other ways
39:19he lies because he says
39:21of having seen
39:21They have to cut the curtain
39:23what was written
39:24in all the newspapers
39:24that therefore everyone
39:25they could know
39:26he says he saw Pacciani
39:28enter the tent
39:29through the cut
39:31well
39:32the cut
39:33it is 30 centimeters
39:34the cut
39:35it's just external
39:36there are two sheets
39:37the internal one
39:37it's not cut
39:38so he tells
39:40one thing
39:40that is not
39:41nor in heaven
39:42nor on earth
39:42not only
39:43but it is kept
39:45then segregated
39:46for months
39:47in a secret place
39:49which then was
39:49the Arezzo police headquarters
39:50where he is questioned
39:52from whoever holds it
39:53in custody
39:53and succeeds
39:54to give the version
39:56so equal
39:56as you know
39:57everyone knows
39:58and it seems to me
39:59quite incredible
40:00that whoever participated
40:02to three crimes
40:03I can't give
40:04no feedback
40:05objective
40:08Augustine
40:08for me it wasn't
40:09held segregated
40:10had
40:10remained in Genoa
40:11Also
40:13at psychologists
40:14That
40:15they had noticed
40:17that he had
40:18a block
40:19and it was necessary
40:20from the point of view
40:21investigative
40:21to overcome this block
40:23the block
40:23era
40:24the experience
40:25that he had had
40:27homosexual
40:28that was
40:28a block
40:29which prevented him
40:30anyone
40:31confession
40:32once discovered
40:33that
40:33from there
40:34practically everything came out
40:36he voted for the sack
40:37with some inaccuracies
40:39because there may be
40:40some inaccuracies
40:41but I'm not like that
40:43determinants
40:43you see
40:43we are looking for
40:45to summarize
40:46in the opposition
40:47of the judgments
40:47in good faith
40:48Obviously
40:49of two colleagues
40:50both convinced
40:51of what they say
40:52to summarize
40:53those that are
40:54the summer
40:54I am
40:55still
40:55the difficulties
40:56huge
40:57to enter
40:58in this case
40:59my idea
41:00staff
41:01it's that too many elements
41:02they got wrapped up
41:03if the director
41:04Andrea Bevilacqua
41:06give me permission
41:07to do it
41:08I wouldn't want to
41:08spoil him
41:09the shot
41:10I would arrive
41:11up to there
41:11to take
41:12that stone
41:12can I do it?
41:14Yes
41:14I can do it
41:15Excuse me
41:16I'm going to get
41:16this stone
41:17because I would like to ask
41:19just speaking
41:20of complexity
41:21of the elements
41:22that they are
41:24that they are
41:25overlapping
41:26to the point of confusion
41:27the waters
41:27in the way
41:28that you saw
41:29this
41:29stone here
41:31break
41:32I can say
41:33that she
41:34for this stone
41:35it's over here
41:35in jail
41:36even for that stone
41:37for this one too
41:38In what sense?
41:39in the sense that
41:40this stone
41:40which is a doorstop
41:41quite common
41:42in country houses
41:44it's a doorstop
41:44that is bought
41:45in the markets
41:46of the bulges
41:47he finds it
41:48in the old houses
41:49country
41:49he finds them
41:50At that time?
41:52At that time
41:52in a crime
41:53the one in October
41:55of '81
41:55All right
41:56was found
41:57such a stone
41:58and I remember why
41:59I was present
41:59when the colonel
42:00of the friend
42:01of the carabinieri
42:02he picked it up
42:02since I didn't find it
42:03Nothing
42:03I'm collecting this one too
42:04and was not on the scene
42:06of the crime
42:06it was about twenty meters
42:07and there it remained
42:08among the evidence
42:09for decades
42:09the new investigator
42:11Commissioner Giutteri
42:12he believed that instead
42:13it was a pyramid
42:14truncates
42:15with meanings
42:16esoteric
42:17and even satanic
42:18satanic
42:18etc.
42:19so at this point
42:20I borrowed some
42:21one from a friend of mine
42:23because I repeat
42:23it's not an object
42:24not even rare
42:25to show it off
42:26on a television broadcast
42:27after that I kept it
42:28at home
42:28I didn't return it
42:29and when I was searched
42:32it was found for me
42:34and so I had
42:36this object
42:36defined in
42:37in the relationship
42:39pyramid
42:40truncates
42:40hexagonal base
42:41hidden
42:42behind a door
42:43a doorstop
42:44hidden
42:44behind a door
42:45but this is then
42:46when in short
42:47it slips
42:48and it has never been to me
42:49returned
42:50because the judge says
42:51Mignini of Perugia
42:53it reconnects me
42:54directly
42:55to the series
42:55of the double homicides
42:56that is, she
42:57would be
42:58an accomplice
42:59of murder
43:00according to the prosecution
43:01from Perugia
43:02I would be
43:03the principal
43:04of the murder
43:05of the doctor
43:07Narducci
43:08as
43:09being me
43:10the monster of Florence
43:11I wanted to delete
43:11someone
43:12that was happening to me
43:12to think
43:13okay
43:13let's fly over
43:14on the details
43:15I that one
43:16that I can
43:17ask
43:17to my colleague
43:18Augustines
43:19And
43:20Augustines
43:21they have passed
43:22I said before
43:23I repeated it
43:23even one more time
43:24they have passed
43:2538 years old
43:26since
43:27this story
43:27it started
43:28it makes sense
43:30continue
43:31to investigate
43:33Well
43:35there is a
43:36reason
43:37alright
43:37the murder
43:38it is never prescribed
43:38and so it's clear
43:39which must be pursued
43:40as long as there is the possibility
43:41there is also a reason
43:43In my opinion
43:44of study
43:45because it is a
43:46it's important
43:48This
43:48this series
43:49of serial crimes
43:50that have shocked
43:51Florence
43:52they are important
43:54because they might
43:54open scenarios
43:55new
43:56Also
43:56in the United States
43:57for example
43:58they never happened
43:59cases
43:59hypothesis
44:00of serial murders
44:01in a group
44:02then it would open
44:03a new chapter
44:05in criminology
44:06of criminology
44:07Yes
44:08but
44:08he asks both of them
44:10he answers whoever he wants
44:11to do some investigations
44:13to stand up
44:14a court
44:14of the offices
44:15chancellors
44:16secretaries
44:17who work
44:18of investigators
44:19who work
44:20on a case
44:20after so many years
44:22away
44:23what do you ever want?
44:24that it is understood outside
44:25it's not that I want
44:26for goodness sake
44:27discourage anyone
44:28I wonder
44:28if there is a meaning
44:30if there is a yes
44:31a practical sense
44:32I believe
44:33I basically believe so
44:34that it is
44:35impossible
44:36because then there is something to say
44:37that in so many years
44:38they overlapped
44:40layered
44:41several investigators
44:43several judges
44:44of the investigations
44:45misdeeds
44:46with a culture
44:47I also talk about the past
44:48I'm not talking
44:49only today
44:50with a culture
44:51investigative
44:52inadequate
44:53to this type
44:53of murders
44:54with witnesses
44:56with some characters
44:58which then happened
44:58revealed to be
45:00of slanderers
45:00professionals
45:01for example
45:02I'm just saying
45:03the example seems to me
45:05that it is
45:06in the request
45:07what time
45:07the public prosecutor
45:08of Florence
45:09Canessa
45:09he presented
45:10for the postponement
45:11on trial
45:12of the former pharmacist
45:13of San Casciano
45:14as principal
45:15well
45:16what it should
45:17seem
45:17the robustness
45:19of the thesis
45:19accusatory
45:20it seems to me
45:21his weakness
45:22and that is
45:2228 folders
45:24of 8000 pages
45:26to demonstrate
45:27one who
45:28she teaches me
45:29one of the crimes
45:29more difficult
45:30principal
45:31performer
45:3240 years ago
45:34the English
45:35they have a beautiful
45:36try to say
45:36trial
45:37evidence
45:37that is, one thing
45:38evident
45:39now I ask myself
45:40in 8000 pages
45:41it's obvious
45:42that isn't there
45:43nothing obvious
45:44of course because
45:46it's plausible
45:47what he tells her
45:48he wants to answer
45:49I think that many things
45:51because then
45:52it's a question
45:52to do for her
45:53Yes
45:53many things
45:54they were already written
45:55that is, in time
45:56it's true that
45:58the investigations
45:59they were made
46:00at times bad
46:00that many
46:01investigators
46:02yes they are
46:02overlapping
46:03many among the
46:05investigators
46:05and between
46:06who worked
46:07he was struck by lightning
46:08in this investigation
46:11but many things
46:12they are already written
46:13it's a matter of rereading them
46:14in one perspective
46:16current
46:16in the optics
46:17of new developments
46:18had
46:19Therefore
46:20there is
46:208000 pages
46:21maybe some
46:22they are useless
46:23but definitely
46:25there is something
46:25inside that can
46:26help
46:27it seems to me
46:28much more confident
46:29of La Spezia
46:29then I'll do it for you
46:30this other question
46:31she
46:32he believes
46:33he believes
46:33likely
46:34That
46:34these crimes
46:36some of these
46:37at least
46:37were committed
46:38from more people
46:39the snack buddies
46:41let's put it this way
46:41but he also believes
46:43that above
46:44those unfortunates
46:45that they were
46:45the snack buddies
46:46there was
46:47a group
46:48of people
46:49more aware
46:50who directed them
46:52and he sent them
46:53to do those things
46:54I don't explain myself
46:56for example
46:56economic wealth
46:58by Pacciani
46:59and of
47:00but we can talk
47:00of true wealth
47:01Yes
47:02for those times
47:03Yes
47:03it was a nest egg
47:04if I remember
47:05that of Pacciani
47:07a purchasing power
47:08I'm talking about
47:08900 million
47:09of the time
47:10in relation
47:12it's not a little
47:13since he
47:13he worked occasionally
47:14it's true that he saved
47:16that he didn't spend
47:17she asked herself this question
47:18this question
47:19the billion
47:20by Pacciani
47:20we call
47:21the calculation
47:22of the billion
47:23I am sorry
47:24but it's a lot
47:25Very
47:25I didn't do it
47:26I know
47:26I know it's not done
47:27from you
47:28but it's very imaginative
47:29Pacciani
47:30let's refer to
47:31let's do a calculation
47:31he had 132 million
47:33of 92
47:34but
47:35everyone do their own calculations
47:37All right
47:38I'm moving on
47:38to these
47:39part that had
47:40divided into three post offices
47:43coincidentally
47:43in coincidence
47:44of the crimes
47:45in three post offices
47:46different
47:47the question was
47:48she believes that above Pacciani
47:50there was a circle
47:52of people
47:52of professionals
47:53who said
47:55I do the caricature
47:57Pacciani
47:57go there
47:58you kill a girl for me
47:59and bring me a pub
48:01I don't know if they are exactly the same
48:02in question
48:03but
48:05I think it's possible
48:06This
48:06both for
48:07for the economic aspect
48:09that for
48:10for that too
48:11who said
48:11the lot
48:12the lot
48:12he said candidly
48:13there was the doctor
48:14that is, for him it means
48:15a person
48:16of a certain level
48:18of a certain thickness
48:19maybe it wasn't really
48:20a surgeon
48:22but there was someone
48:23that he could commission
48:24In my opinion
48:25it is possible
48:26I live
48:28I live in a haberdashery
48:29that is, since always
48:29I know these characters
48:32forever
48:33a little bizarre
48:34with all their madness
48:36but I think
48:37that it is possible
48:39Break
48:39absolutely
48:40absolutely
48:41I
48:41among other things
48:42she will have forgotten
48:44but I had the honor
48:45of what
48:45she reviewed it for me
48:46on television
48:47I wrote
48:47a book
48:48the sects of Satan
48:49an essay
48:50on satanic sects
48:51we did
48:51yes yes
48:52we mentioned it
48:53in one episode
48:54and I can
48:55to say that
48:56in my research
48:57but I would challenge anyone
48:58to find
48:58I'm not saying in Italy
48:59but all over the world
49:01and in every age
49:02a sect composed of
49:03of people
49:04normal
49:05intelligent
49:05really
49:06high-ranking
49:06who do these things
49:07it doesn't exist
49:08it never existed
49:09and it is not understood
49:10why should it exist
49:11But you break it
49:12Excuse me
49:13it never existed
49:13but I allow myself
49:14Of
49:15not in this case
49:17but
49:17we have read
49:19several news stories
49:20instead where
49:21more people
49:22even young people
49:23they gathered
49:24just to kill
49:25to bury in a forest
49:27at the end of rites
49:29execrable
49:30of stuff
49:30we are talking
49:31of young people
49:33marginalized
49:34drug addicts
49:34Indeed
49:35we are talking here
49:36of serious professionals
49:37that they would dedicate themselves
49:38to these things
49:39this seems to me
49:40one thing
49:40there is no risk
49:40to throw away
49:41a shadow
49:42On the contrary
49:43a light
49:44a little ridiculous
49:45throughout history
49:46for sure
49:47this is one aspect
49:48actually
49:49a bit
49:50ridiculous
49:51they are others
49:52the clues
49:52collected
49:53others
49:54the elements
49:55Certain
49:56they are evaluating
49:56that too
49:57there is an anomaly
49:58at least
49:59that leaves
50:00disconcerted
50:01and that is
50:02that the prosecution
50:02of Florence
50:03comes to the conclusion
50:04that the principal
50:05there is only one
50:06the prosecutor's office
50:07from Perugia
50:08comes on his ground
50:09let's say
50:09comes on his ground
50:11absolutely
50:12because for me
50:12there is no instigator
50:13look, these crimes
50:14I am
50:15with these guys
50:16of exports
50:16without going
50:18to disturb
50:19the devil
50:19or other
50:20they happened
50:21many times
50:21in America
50:22well
50:22to the prosecutor's office
50:22of Florence
50:23comes to the conclusion
50:23that the principal
50:24there is only one
50:25the prosecutor's office
50:25from Perugia
50:26is investigating
50:26on a series
50:27of principals
50:27the thing
50:28disconcerting
50:29what to do
50:29both
50:29the investigations
50:30it's the same
50:30police officer
50:31the commissioner
50:32Giuttari
50:32Here you are
50:33At that time
50:33on this
50:35controversy
50:36final note
50:37of the colleague
50:39Spezio
50:39I thank everyone
50:40I thank you
50:41of patience
50:42I would pull this one
50:43small conclusion
50:44final
50:45you heard
50:46in the positions
50:48of two journalists
50:49experts
50:50who have dedicated themselves
50:51Very
50:52they followed
50:53practically
50:54like professionals
50:55of the investigation
50:56not of the news
50:57these facts
50:58you heard
50:59how to get there
51:00to two conclusions
51:02almost diametrically
51:04opposite
51:06will we ever get there
51:07to know
51:08who was it
51:09to dissolve
51:09this enigma
51:10who was it
51:11Really
51:12The
51:12the monsters
51:13of Florence
51:14I frankly
51:16I doubt it
51:17Until we meet again
51:31Thank you
51:32Thank you
51:34Thank you.
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