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00:01Hi there, you're watching CNN. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you for being with me. We start with
00:06Welcome back. I'm Brooke Baldwin. This weekend and last night when Spike Lee, whose new movie
00:12profiles a real-life confrontation with the KKK, was asked about Charlottesville and how the racists
00:18weren't even wearing masks, this is what Spike Lee had to say about racists in America and who
00:23is speaking to them. All right, we continue on. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Thank you for being with me.
00:28We begin with the breaking news in the trial of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.
00:34Alan, I've just got to ask you, what do you think was going on in this courthouse? The white noise
00:40machine. I mean, when I go into my therapist's office, there's white noise machines. It's like,
00:44you don't want anyone to hear your conversation. So why? Well, let me explain the white noise machine
00:49out of the hearing of the jury. To make sure the jury doesn't hear it, they have a white noise
00:55machine to drown out the sound. So that's why. But when you hear somebody say there's a lot of white
01:00for several hours with a judge who likes to keep the train on the tracks in this courtroom. Well,
01:04I think keeping the train, that causes them to lose their credibility. Then a second incident occurred
01:10when the judge told the jury to disregard testimony about Paul Manafort. That application for the loan he
01:18didn't get is part of the case. We want a curative instruction. Now, when a judge don't have the
01:24right to do that, so it's a big argument. So you still have these examples, but why would they take
01:28several hours to do this today? Because that instruction, say. Okay. Okay. Did you, I'm looking
01:36at the lawyer. Do you have anything to jump in on or should we just go to the next? Well,
01:38just with regard
01:39to some of these sidebars, one other noteworthy thing that was related to Gates' testimony. So
01:44interesting to see what that could be about. Okay. Stay with me. I have more for you. And so I
01:50should
01:50also point out that Roger Stone is saying he has nothing to worry about. These people tell the truth
01:56to the grand jury. But beginning with you, Asha, the walls are closing in on him. The walls are closing
02:02in and the stakes are high with an individual who had regular contact with senior members of the
02:07campaign. And we also know that Stone himself has boasted or boasted in 2016 that he had
02:14communications with WikiLeaks, which is also implicated in that indictment. So when Mueller did
02:20anything to help them, he too can be implicated there and perhaps his associates if they were a part of
02:27that as well. I mean, on the implication note, Paul, what does it say when all of your aides or
02:33people in
02:33your inner circle are being subpoenaed? Like if you're Roger Stone, are you, uh, Stone? Nobody's called him.
02:40I'm saying, should he be nervous? Oh, he should be nervous because on his back. And, uh, it's a huge
02:46tattoo on his back. And, uh, he's been doing dirty tricks for who's used as an intermediary. Um, is
02:53something they're certainly looking at. Now, uh, Stone is saying that, uh, he got to play a little bit
02:59of, he was on TV, Roger Stone, on with Anderson earlier this week. Here's a clip. So I guess he
03:05likes
03:05tattoos and hats. Um, but seriously, though, the pressure is on. Do you think that he's sitting, do you
03:11think he, he, he may change his mind to either of you? Or is he just like hoping and praying
03:16for, uh, for a pardon?
03:18Well, I am. Go ahead, Asha. If it comes to that. I mean, I, I don't, well, leaving, I mean,
03:23if he has
03:24information and if he himself has been involved in crimes, he's going to face some tough choices, just
03:28like Rick Gates and Papadopoulos and Flynn and the other parade of, uh, campaign associates that
03:37we've seen so far. But, you know, Brooke, you have to listen. If you ask me, I'm not going to
03:41say
03:41anything bad about the president. That's how he probably will, uh, handle it later. Because,
03:46frankly, if he refuses a grand jury subpoena and doesn't assert the Fifth Amendment, which, by the
03:51way, he could if he had criminal exposure, then he'll be held in contempt of court if he doesn't
03:57testify. Uh, so, and he'll go to jail for the remainder of the grand jury. So, and he'll see
04:02what kind of costumes and hats they wear there. Yes. Not pretty. And, but a lot of people have
04:07tattoos there. I, I, I, I hear that. I don't know that for sure. But, uh, Paul and Asha, thank
04:11you so
04:12much, uh, for all things Roger Stone. Come, not often you see him speechless. Uh, I'm excited to talk
04:17to this guy, Van Jones, our CNN political commentator and host of The Van Jones Show. Obviously, an honor to
04:22have you on. And, and I want to run through all of just the, the news happenings and all
04:27of the things tied together because of this discussion on race. But it's one year this
04:31weekend that Charlottesville happened. You have spent so much time talking to people on different
04:34sides of the aisle, bringing them together. Yeah. What do you think of where we are in
04:39this country right now? I think we're still spiraling away from each other. They're good
04:43Democrats. They're not good people on the side of the Nazis. They're not good people on the
04:47side of, of, of, of, uh, swastikas and, and using ISIS tactics to murder someone with a
04:54car in broad daylight in the streets of America. That then kick in to say extreme hatred has
04:59no place. And yet it then sneaks back through the front door with Laura Ingraham's. So we've
05:05been pushing it out the back door on social media. And then Laura Ingraham on cable television,
05:09uh, comes out and says. You can't walk that back. I mean, you can't walk it back. You
05:12can't walk that back. I just want to be very clear about something. Usually it is a dark
05:17whistle to, to Spike Lee's point of, point of view. Usually it is, well, it's about
05:21border security. It's about following the law. It's about people being in the, you
05:25know, in line, not jumping the line. It's not about race. And they've been, they're
05:28brown. I don't like them. That's race. You mentioned Ingraham. So let's talk about
05:33it because it seems like with so many people, you know, with views on race, they're not
05:36hiding. Sorry, Laura, you can't walk that back. And the language she used originally, the
05:41same kind of language we hear from a vowed white supremacist. I want to play one more
05:44thing in the van. We're talking again. Watch this conversation that our correspondent, Sarah
05:48Seidner, had with a neo-Nazi.
05:53Well, um. Is it worse now?
05:57Listen, I think that stuff that's been under the surface, make it worse and spread the poison
06:02and try to use it politically. So we're in a tough situation. I want to say, though, to
06:07my conservative friends, you got to pick a lane here. You've been telling me, you know, we're
06:13post-racial, quit playing the race card. You keep talking about race. That's the problem.
06:17We don't care about that. We just want secure borders. We don't like terrorism. That's
06:20all it is. Now, Sarah Seidner.
06:24So a Nazi standing outside of this trailer and Laura Ingraham have the same message now.
06:29Now, conservatives should be rising up. Conservatives, you're screwing up our messaging. We told them
06:35that we're post-racial. Now you've got people who are explicitly saying that no matter who you
06:41are, doesn't matter if you're a doctor, lawyer, if you are brown and there's too many of you,
06:46I have a problem with that. There's something that is called racism. That is the definition
06:51of racism. And it's coming from Fox News hosts in broad daylight in America. And you wonder
06:58why we got people getting killed and run over and run out of towns in the rest of the country.
07:03We're better.
07:04I started this conversation by saying that you've spent a lot of time talking to folks
07:07on both sides, right? Trying to find that common ground. That is what you're so beautiful at doing.
07:12And so your show this weekend, it ties into some of these themes. You go to Stone Mountain.
07:17Yes.
07:18You go to Stone Mountain in Atlanta for your van in a van, right? And so Stone Mountain is home
07:23to one of the largest Confederate monuments, and it's the birthplace of the modern-day KKK. So tell me
07:29about that.
07:30Well, it, Republicans and Democrats, lock the doors, child-proof locks, and I drive them around and make
07:34them talk. And this time, I didn't tell them where we were going. And I drove to Stone Mountain. And
07:41the white woman starts crying because she's happy. Her father used to take her there as a kid for
07:46picnics. Her father just passed away. The black woman starts crying, and she's terrified.
07:50We have a clip.
07:51Oh, I'm sorry.
07:52Roll the clip.
07:52Never mind.
07:53It's a powerful exchange.
07:56You know, you got two middle-class people apart. So, you know, I'm trying to get people
08:02to at least have the conversation. Because it's when we talk about each other, but we don't talk
08:07to each other, that's when the Nazis can win.
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